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Cristari
20th Sep 2015, 20:21
Not the Exalted ones!

Is there anything decent in these now or are they still giving away junk?

I haven't played for almost a month now and would like to know if there is any reason why I should buy keys to open these or should I just bin them if they still have the useless crap in them?

Firehex
21st Sep 2015, 18:39
I don't see any point to open them. Weapons in them have 1 stats change, uniqie name and some random visual effect. So it's like mystic weapon minus 1 stats plus unique name. Meh...:scratch: Also it's not 100% what you'll get this rare weapons - once i got just uncommon x-bow.

-Shiro-
24th Sep 2015, 21:53
I don't see any point to open them. Weapons in them have 1 stats change, uniqie name and some random visual effect. So it's like mystic weapon minus 1 stats plus unique name. Meh...:scratch: Also it's not 100% what you'll get this rare weapons - once i got just uncommon x-bow.

Add them more interesting stats and people will directly lose their minds about pay-to-win. I really dislike the color patterns anyway, too glossy, vivid for me.

Urek_Mazino
24th Sep 2015, 23:03
In my opinion the treasures (not exalted) should be dropped a LOT less than they actually are and make them free to open, or at least with common gold. Idk... like the same rarity drop of an unusual weapon or something similar and just free to open.
(maybe you can also add a feature that prevent you to obtain the same item twice, at least in the exalted ones).

EDIT: that's beacause the price of a key is totally not worth for what you can find in them!

Firehex
26th Sep 2015, 01:31
Yeap, price of key is too much for useless weapon without unique animations...

Add them more interesting stats and people will directly lose their minds about pay-to-win.
Haters gonna hate =)

Truckposeidon
4th Oct 2015, 03:14
Hello all! Paget Brewster here! I have for awhile like many of you wanted the coveted exalted human skins from the series one exalted kings chests. Now I want to point out that yes I gambled and I acknowledged I knew what I was doing. I have spent thus far $100 on human chests trying to get one skin. I went through atleast 22 human chests and 2 vampire ones and no skin. I would like to know your experiences on how long it took you to get a skin? Series 2 chests are coming and will introduce more skins and gambling. I love the idea of chests with rare hard to get skins but I am wondering if others agree that the percentage chance of getting a skin is too low or if they should take out some of the items?

Let discuss this matter cause im kinda bummed out and would like to find a solution.

Blackdeathteal
5th Oct 2015, 02:55
Having played games in the past with horrible little rng cash shop boxes of doom, I have brought none and a little annoyed they were added in the first place . Apb reloaded and Archeage exploit the whales willing to drop money on chance like this and you see forum posts where people have dropped up to 500 bucks for a horsey .. End of the day Im more than willing to support the game and buy the occasional skin and have in the past but never a RNG box .

Ygdrasel
5th Oct 2015, 05:10
A way to improve chests for all? There are exactly and only two valid answers - plus a "lame, but we will settle for it" answer:

1) Don't require actual money for any chest. ("But chests are free! J-Just keys aren't..." - Yeah, you. Hypothetical guy. Be quiet.)

-or-

2) Do not randomize the chest contents.

-or-

3) Chest contents are random but keys become an end-of-match drop (not quite rare but uncommon enough that some might still prefer the speedy option of bought keys). Then at least there's an option for both sides.


Nosgoth has no business being a casino and whoever decided it would be one has no business making decisions.

GenFeelGood
5th Oct 2015, 05:19
I feel your pain, I bought 16 of those wretched chests some months back and also didn't get any skins. All I can say is, "Never Again!"

-Shiro-
6th Oct 2015, 22:45
Chest contents are random but (...)

NO.

;)

Vampmaster
6th Oct 2015, 23:03
Random wouldn't be so bad if it was all items from the same tier.
Free drops = Arcane/Uncanny
Cheap chest = Mysterious/Booster
Mid chest = Rare/Unique
Expensive = Marked/Exaulted skin

--Ram--
7th Oct 2015, 01:46
$100 and didn't get what you want. Working as intended, better spend some more.

Ygdrasel
7th Oct 2015, 02:35
$100 and didn't get what you want. Working as intended, better spend some more.

Sad but true. That he kept putting money in only supports the garbage casino system...From the instant it was announced they would be random-content chests, nobody should have bought any.

TheDreamcrusher
7th Oct 2015, 03:43
Random wouldn't be so bad if it was all items from the same tier.
Free drops = Arcane/Uncanny
Cheap chest = Mysterious/Booster
Mid chest = Rare/Unique
Expensive = Marked/Exaulted skin


Sad but true. That he kept putting money in only supports the garbage casino system...From the instant it was announced they would be random-content chests, nobody should have bought any.

What Vampmaster posted is what I'd want to see. If keys were part of the loot drop, Ygdrasel, I think I'd find it easier to swallow. If they did away with keys and chests altogether and just put the items on the store with a few items that have a gold price and tiered dollar (runestone) prices for rarity, Nosgoth would gain a lot more traction with being fun to habitually play.

Once all the game modes get sorted out.

AntiqueGod
11th Oct 2015, 10:29
Chest system is really good at this moment, and its really easy to get good thing compared to CS:Go.
Because skins are like knifes, and you have like 3 humans skins and 5 vampire skins.
Also unique items for humans are nice. So you have high chances to get good stuff, and low chance to get bad stuff like MI items.
Just put 100 more bucks and you will get your skins, i promise bro.

lucinvampire
11th Oct 2015, 14:25
Random wouldn't be so bad if it was all items from the same tier.
Free drops = Arcane/Uncanny
Cheap chest = Mysterious/Booster
Mid chest = Rare/Unique
Expensive = Marked/Exaulted skin

If it was changed to something like this then I'd probably spend money on them, as they are not so much of a gamble. The way they are at present, I've never bought a chest/key and never will, imo it's too much of a gamble and there's no point in playing with lady luck or wasting my hard earned cash!

Ygdrasel
15th Oct 2015, 01:08
Chest system is really good at this moment

Incorrect.

ApollosBow
15th Oct 2015, 16:13
Hello,

I recently decided to drop some cash on Nosgoth in pursuit of some of the new skins to renew my interest and donate some playtime to it as it is starting to become stale, I also wanted to test just how far you would have to go also, but even the extra mile I was willing to go did not please the Nosgoth gamble system.

I told myself it will more than likely take 4 chest to get 1 skin, this was the case with the last special skins and items, what I received was 1 of the new weapons lol.
I then decided to purchase 2 more chests, I only got arcane items, much like the others, I would have been at least happy not to get just arcane and mysteries, but that was what I got for 5 out of the 6 drops.

The reason I spend so much was because I had a 30% off offer, so it wasn't that bad, that being said, in total, in the space of 5 minutes, I have spend 18 euro, I know others have spent more in the past so this amount isn't to shocking.

I urge everyone to not even try, this is has bad as Destiny, except you have to pay for the random loot drops.

Will be deleting Nosgoth from library until either a refund is given or something drastic is done with the game.

Was great playing but alas every game ends.

Hopefully it will find its way eventually, good luck to community and Devs.

Keelei
15th Oct 2015, 16:34
Let me get that straight, you quit the game because youre dumb and decided to waste your money on a gamble knowing the chance is random?

ApollosBow
15th Oct 2015, 16:45
Let me get that straight, you quit the game because youre dumb and decided to waste your money on a gamble knowing the chance is random?

No, I quit the game because it is progressing to slowly, the dlc for it cost to much and there is no way of telling if its even possible to attain without spending hundreds, this is preventing the game from staying fresh for me and if this is the direction the game is accelerating to then I rather invest time in another. The 18 squibs is nothing but the straw that broke the camels back.
I am not the type of player to simply log onto a free-to-play and just play the game with its barebones options, in otherwords, cheap. However I will say I may have been naive this time to expect something back in return for the money given.

By all means Keelei you don't have to stop playing just because I do, try not to take offense.

GenFeelGood
15th Oct 2015, 17:23
I understand how you feel, I am among those many others that also got shafted by the chests. The devs have acknowledged that they have seen and noted our feedback on the matter; but since they have changed nothing about the chests except adding more content, this does suggest that nothing will be done to remedy our issues with them. It probably isn't their call, so there is no point to raging at them about it.

Farewell ApollosBow, hopefully you'll be willing to give it another chance down the line when more content has been introduced.

Nejitama
16th Oct 2015, 07:25
A way to improve chests for all? There are exactly and only two valid answers - plus a "lame, but we will settle for it" answer:

1) Don't require actual money for any chest. ("But chests are free! J-Just keys aren't..." - Yeah, you. Hypothetical guy. Be quiet.)

-or-

2) Do not randomize the chest contents.

-or-

3) Chest contents are random but keys become an end-of-match drop (not quite rare but uncommon enough that some might still prefer the speedy option of bought keys). Then at least there's an option for both sides.


Nosgoth has no business being a casino and whoever decided it would be one has no business making decisions.Maybe a system that incorporates the forge? Say throw in 5, hell 10! of any given trunk to get one open trunk of the same kind. seems simple enough, as it stands the damn things are useless clutter that leave me feeling cheated...

TheDreamcrusher
16th Oct 2015, 08:01
Just put the stuff in the store... Good grief.

ApollosBow
16th Oct 2015, 09:12
Bought 6 in a row got the alchemist weapon, pretty pathetic scheme they have going here. An open store policy might encourage others like myself to install the game again, that way we could actually enjoy the No.1 DLC type this game produces (skins), because who know how long it will be before another map hits, its nearly annual at this point.

Of course theres also the mystery as to why on earth they would push a patch that is so game breaking in terms of lag and bugs, whatever kind of internal testing they are doing, there doing it wrong.

lucinvampire
16th Oct 2015, 12:33
Sorry to hear you’re calling it a day ApollosBow, hope in the future you return.

I have to agree, I absolutely hate the chest system, but I'm getting fed up of saying now. I will never spend any money on it because I’ve heard so many bad experiencing from people and also its just too much of a gamble. I’d rather buy a skin in the store at a massive cost of like 5k runes or something, at least then I’m 100% guaranteed that I’m gong to get what I want rather than ending up with something I don’t.

TheDreamcrusher
16th Oct 2015, 19:29
Of course theres also the mystery as to why on earth they would push a patch that is so game breaking in terms of lag and bugs, whatever kind of internal testing they are doing, there doing it wrong.

Honestly I don't know what's worse: the fact that buggy patches get pushed out with little Q&A or the fact that the programmers monkey with so much stuff each month they can't track or predict exactly what's getting changed to know why these bugs show up.

Misterwtheface
17th Oct 2015, 19:44
I don't mind the chest system so long as the contents of the chests are something that are vanity items (which they are). If there is a particularly awesome skin or visual fx that they release then ~maybe~ they can get like 10 or 20 bucks from me as I gamble for it but there is no guarantee that I'll get the one I want and as the consumer I'm aware of that. People are always complaining about the paywall but so long as the only thing behind it is a pretty weapon or glowing hunter skin then there is really no real reason to complain. It is not affecting the gaming part of your gaming experience, Nosgoth is gonna play just the same whether your head/weapon/hands are glowing or not. So far we have access to all weapons, abilities, and classes through progression and that's really all I ask from a f2p game.

Firehex
17th Oct 2015, 20:50
Chests gambling was first introduced in TF 2 and there it was fine - you at least could win rare hat, paint or hat with unusual effect which costs a lot. But chests in nosgoth - don't even try your luck.

Nalmissra
17th Oct 2015, 21:18
Hi:

I would like to express my utter disappointment. I have just spent 1.000 runestones buying an Exalted Treasure of the Kings.

The content was astonishingly alarming: a simple Piercing Pistols for the Prophet class. Not even one of those epic weapons advertised (I was not even expecting the unique outfits). I understood, after reading the description, that I would get either an special attack or one of the epic weapons for the human classes, but not this. You can imagine how disappointed I am at the moment and how discouraging this is for somebody who spends well-earned cash in this game of yours. Like I would spend a single penny after this!

No wonder this game is getting more and more deserted.

Firehex
17th Oct 2015, 23:29
Well, it's not first topic about how players hate current chest system...I just hope someone from management department of Nosgoth gonna read all this topics and change something, because unhappy customers = bad reputation for game = not getting new players = no money income = game closed.

I hope you understand my logic :rolleyes:

AntiqueGod
18th Oct 2015, 00:38
Nosgoth chest system is totally fine, same goes with CS:Go. Almost same system, but in Nosgoth you have higher chances to get good stuff.
Any skin for human/vampire = knife
Any unique for human/vampire = red/purple
Other stuff = purple/blue
Pay attention, some people spend much waaaay much more money in CS:Go and gets a lot of **** items.
And wait, no one is crying that they are not getting any good stuff, because they know they chances.
So, stop crying and deal with it, you want EZ skins? Go buy normal skins in store.
You want something rare and unique? Ready to lose some money, but gain awesome skins.

AntiqueGod
18th Oct 2015, 00:41
Chest ment to be this way, you always have more chance to get **** things and less to get rare things. Logic, no?
You just spended 1k on chests, its nothing my friend. You want rare skins or just basic stuff? Go to store and buy, but don't cry.
Next time you want to open chest, get more money or just stop opening them. No one is forcing you.
Nosgoth have just fine chest system, just compare it with CS:Go system.

Da_Wolv
18th Oct 2015, 13:21
Chests gambling was first introduced in TF 2 and there it was fine - you at least could win rare hat, paint or hat with unusual effect which costs a lot. But chests in nosgoth - don't even try your luck.

and you know why it was ok in TF2?
1) There were multiple types of chests, each with specific loot tables and only 1 rare drop each, so you could stack the chests you wanted the rare drop out of and push your luck there.
2) Trading..
And more importantly:
3) THERE WERE NO EXCLUSIVES ITEMS IN THEM!!
Everything dropped by a random chance, and if you had nothing to trade with, you could just take you real cash and just buy it off of someone else.

They could just put in the new skins and weapons for 3,5k each, I'd take that deal any day of the week.
That is if I were still playing... (maybe next week if the horrible reports start to dial down)

-Shiro-
18th Oct 2015, 15:20
Claiming that 'the same goes with game X or Y' isn't an argument to justify such a poor commercial design. This is not customers-friendly at all (customer = people buying RS and/or packs back in the time), and people should just stop buying these chests. I tried my luck with 5 of them a while ago, got crappy arcane stuff and promised I would never buy a single chest ever, whatever they put inside of them.

Paying a few RS for a nice skin in the store ? No problem.
Playing league to get an awesome skin as a reward ? Awesome, thanks !
Gambling my money for a skin worth a few k (2,5 maybe) RS ? No way.

N.B. : this isn't CS:GO. Not the same playerbase at all, not the same consumer habits.
I remember one of the dev's claiming (about RS pricing, I think) : 'we know you guys got to eat', a few months ago. Apparently, things changed a lot since then...

Of course, we have the choice to buy them or not, but the sales managers know very well that this type of exclusive skins (and commercial trap) attract and fool people.

TheDreamcrusher
18th Oct 2015, 16:21
Chest ment to be this way, you always have more chance to get **** things and less to get rare things. Logic, no?
You just spended 1k on chests, its nothing my friend. You want rare skins or just basic stuff? Go to store and buy, but don't cry.
Next time you want to open chest, get more money or just stop opening them. No one is forcing you.
Nosgoth have just fine chest system, just compare it with CS:Go system.

No, it's a terrible practice. Just cause another game does it doesn't mean it's justified or good. All there needs to be is a price difference for items in the store, especially for skins. Even gambling on the forge drives me crazy but I can accept that.

Firehex
18th Oct 2015, 19:50
Even gambling on the forge drives me crazy but I can accept that.

Same :whistle:

PencileyePirate
18th Oct 2015, 22:17
Chest ment to be this way, you always have more chance to get **** things and less to get rare things. Logic, no?
You just spended 1k on chests, its nothing my friend. You want rare skins or just basic stuff? Go to store and buy, but don't cry.
Next time you want to open chest, get more money or just stop opening them. No one is forcing you.
Nosgoth have just fine chest system, just compare it with CS:Go system.

Your comparison to CS GO is not valid.

In CS even low-value skins have a value, and can be traded or sold for a small value, or saved and traded-up in bulk for a higher quality skin.

In Nosgoth 95% of the chest unlocks are completely useless and might as well just be deleted. The most you can do is salvage certain items for forge materials, but this does nothing for players who are trying to obtain a different skin.

Furthermore Nosgoth locks the rare/higher quality skins behind a higher price barrier. CS GO sells keys for around $2.50, whereas 1000-rune chests are closer to $3-4 (depending on how many runes you bought at once.) Also consider that we don't even have trading and you can see why the comparison to CS GO is invalid; we don't have the same options to support this sort of item economy in Nosgoth. It's black-or-white, hit-or-miss ... and most of the time you'll miss.

-Shiro-
18th Oct 2015, 22:58
Your comparison to CS GO is not valid.

In CS even low-value skins have a value, and can be traded or sold for a small value, or saved and traded-up in bulk for a higher quality skin.

In Nosgoth 95% of the chest unlocks are completely useless and might as well just be deleted. The most you can do is salvage certain items for forge materials, but this does nothing for players who are trying to obtain a different skin.

Furthermore Nosgoth locks the rare/higher quality skins behind a higher price barrier. CS GO sells keys for around $2.50, whereas 1000-rune chests are closer to $3-4 (depending on how many runes you bought at once.) Also consider that we don't even have trading and you can see why the comparison to CS GO is invalid; we don't have the same options to support this sort of item economy in Nosgoth. It's black-or-white, hit-or-miss ... and most of the time you'll miss.

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Nosmer
18th Oct 2015, 23:03
And thats why you need trade system.

Truckposeidon
18th Oct 2015, 23:28
I have had the worst luck with chests. I bought $100 worth of the old chests + $40 on the new ones. I opened 30 exalted chests total and got no skin. I'm pretty fed up to say the least. But I guess I just have bad luck which is okay cause I was gambling. I kinda want some of my money back but I know thats probably not possible. I spent 30,800~ runestones on chests if you want an idea. Be careful if you buy chests you might be unlucky.

I proposed to SaikoCat that there should be a skin checker. If no skin is found in the chest then it would increase the chance of a skin every one or two chests you buy until a skin is found then it resets itself so you would only get multiple skins in a row if you were very lucky. Because all most people want out of those chests are the skins.

-Paget Brewster/Truckposeidon

ButtCrusher
19th Oct 2015, 00:17
I have stopped experements with chests when get 3rd marked tyrant skin.

Ysanoire
19th Oct 2015, 02:08
Nooo, what have you done. They'll think the chests are fine if someone buys them.

Chests suck. I would happily buy some if they contained only skins. By all means, make some less interesting to be the filler, but arcane and mysterious items? I have those up the wazoo (most are bad).

My idea for chests was similar to Vampmaster's: cheaper chests with unique and exotic items (like now, just no uncannies or boosters) and more expensive skin chests.
Or just decrease their price; one costs EUR 4, it's absolutely silly.

Vampmaster
19th Oct 2015, 11:01
A scam is where they advertise one thing and give you another. The chests aren't that, but they are abysmal value for money.

Arydious
19th Oct 2015, 16:13
Alright so here is 3 chest I opened.
http://puu.sh/kPW6o/40107dfc24.jpg

obviously I got lucky and got the alchy that I have been wanting forever. However this is probably my 12th chest to open and the first skin.

Let's be honest here if I would have got another Arcane, what an entire waste of runestones. Everyone knows this, these RNG boxes are pretty dumb and I am pretty sure the only people getting these chest are "New Players" and "Esl Players"

of the two groups ESl players have most of what they want and it's free so why not.

The new players will most likely be very discouraged and leave the game.

The chest need to have basically all things that can seem like an upgrade, mysterious and better, please remove anything below mysterious quality. Anyone can craft up an arcane basically for free so there is no reason to have them in the chest.

I am sorry for yet another chest post, but it really needs to be addressed.

Da_Wolv
20th Oct 2015, 10:08
I am sorry for yet another chest post, but it really needs to be addressed.

Chests need to die in a fire...
Just sell us stuff or don't, but none of this crap pls.

Truckposeidon
20th Oct 2015, 15:27
I honestly love this game so much and I wanna support it. I WANT the new skins but if I buy another $20 worth of chests and get nothing in 35 chests then im gonna want some of my money back.

Ygdrasel
20th Oct 2015, 19:54
Isn't it Squeenix rather than Psyonix that has the say over chests and such? Maybe we should redirect all this noise. I can't even be interested in the new skins and stuff because of this garbage.

@Truck: I'd happily support the game. I just won't support the casino attached to the game.

TheDreamcrusher
20th Oct 2015, 22:45
Isn't it Squeenix rather than Psyonix that has the say over chests and such? Maybe we should redirect all this noise. I can't even be interested in the new skins and stuff because of this garbage.

I'm 95% certain it is. I'd love to light up SE some way but I'm unaware how right now.

Psyonix_Ryan
27th Oct 2015, 19:05
Well, it's not first topic about how players hate current chest system...I just hope someone from management department of Nosgoth gonna read all this topics and change something, because unhappy customers = bad reputation for game = not getting new players = no money income = game closed.

I hope you understand my logic :rolleyes:

We've passed along the various comments on chests to the higher ups in the past and we continue to track your ideas/feedback.

TheDreamcrusher
27th Oct 2015, 21:35
We've passed along the various comments on chests to the higher ups in the past and we continue to track your ideas/feedback.

Thank you, Ryan.

ParadoxicalOmen
28th Oct 2015, 01:54
Random wouldn't be so bad if it was all items from the same tier.
Free drops = Arcane/Uncanny
Cheap chest = Mysterious/Booster
Mid chest = Rare/Unique
Expensive = Marked/Exaulted skin

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