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Xeva-q
9th Aug 2015, 22:30
About car accident Chloe stated this:

http://storage2.static.itmages.ru/i/15/0809/h_1439159041_5473199_67e918f3c6.jpg

But it's can't be true. Here is how Chloe's crushed car looked like:

http://storage4.static.itmages.ru/i/15/0809/h_1439159200_6043213_c07da5aa79.jpg

Clearly enough, her's car isn't in a ditch. It's on the road. So, we must conclude that Chloe is lying. But why?

I think we actually have an answer.

http://storage1.static.itmages.ru/i/15/0809/h_1439142670_9020809_b14ca03051.jpg

So... maybe i was wrong about this game?

Or we just have yet another inconsistency here.

Sneddonator
9th Aug 2015, 23:28
Indeed you've found what appears to be mismatch in the game however a rather sketchy photo of the crash is not enough to conclude that she was lying.

Sure you can see the car is partially on a roadway but as you would know when a car travels at speed where they end up after an accident is not necessarily anywhere near the original collision location. The car might have gone off the road in to a ditch and ended up back on the roadway. It could have crossed from one road down in to a ditch and ended up on the wrong side of the road. She may have been thrown from the car and ended up in the ditch.

You are possibly right however about her lying about someone cutting her off. She could have done it all on her own. Or maybe she cut someone else off.

Xeva-q
9th Aug 2015, 23:51
Sure you can see the car is partially on a roadway
But it is not partially on a roadway. We can clearly see a line of separation (or how do you say it english?) It is on a middle of a roadway.

The car might have gone off the road in to a ditch and ended up back on the roadway.
i can not even imagine this trip.

She may have been thrown from the car and ended up in the ditch.
Although it is not completely impossible, wouldn't it be much more suitable if she said some like "He made me flew out of my car". Clearly, if one flew out of their car, they rather reported that, but not where they landed.

And also, we have frontal impact here, but frontal glass is not broken. And with frontal hit there is no other way to be thrown out of car.

And also, if we use google search "sent into a ditch" we wouldn't find any pictures similar to this one.:)

and so, i see only 3 possibilities on that matter.

- Chloe is lying.
- Chloe is mistaken.
- There is an inconstancy.


You are possibly right however about her lying about someone cutting her off. She could have done it all on her own. Or maybe she cut someone else off.
Well, i hope so. Maybe this game not that bad after all.

Sneddonator
10th Aug 2015, 03:14
there is only one truth here which is simply that there is not enough information to conclude anything. You are trying to fill too many blanks. There is a forth possibility and that is

- your perception of the crash is wrong based on what you know.

Chloe may not be lying or mistaken and that photo could certainly be of a car that went through a ditch. If you watch enough crash videos you will see that odd things happen to cars, people and people in cars that you would never guess if you hadnt seen it with your own eyes.

Xeva-q
10th Aug 2015, 03:35
If you watch enough crash videos you will see that odd things happen to cars, people and people in cars that you would never guess if you hadnt seen it with your own eyes.
Well, if you have a video, where car went to a ditch and then returned to a middle of a road - please, share. Yes, i indeed do not believe that this is even possible. Sounds like a pinball game to me.

Furthermore, what possible reason authors had to make things this complicated? I see only two possibilities.

-They simply did not give much attention to this detail. With this, we have an inconsistency.

-They wanted to point something out.

And i see no purpose in pointing out that Chloe's car had very complex trajectory after crash. I even see no reason for them to come up with complex trajectory. It went in a ditch then it went in a ditch, what is wrong with that?

meimeiriver
10th Aug 2015, 05:42
The right door is still dented. Ergo, she got pushed off the road, wound up in a ditch, and maybe hit a tree or something.

The fact that the car not in the ditch means nothing by itself: they pulled the car out first, to rescue Chloe, then took some pictures for the insurance and all.

meimeiriver
10th Aug 2015, 05:50
And no, Chloe can't possibly be lying about this. She heard her spine snap, and that was the last thing she felt in her body. Since she's using a respirator, she likely needed very immediate life-support, so was in no condition, whats-o-frikkin'-ever, to stage anything. The cops came, along with the ambulance, the scene got meticulously documented and photographed, reports were made up, and there's hella no way Chloe could have gotten a lie in edge-wise, even if she wanted to.

Xeva-q
10th Aug 2015, 08:22
The fact that the car not in the ditch means nothing by itself
It means everything actually. Who would left evacuated car on the middle of the road? And do you see wire-tracks near its wheels? It, without shadow of doubt, indicates that car stoped in that very position.

Since she's using a respirator, she likely needed very immediate life-support, so was in no condition, whats-o-frikkin'-ever, to stage anything.
Eeeeee. O_o

I am never implied that she staged anything. It is not about something like that at all.

She simply didn't want to admit to herself that car crash was in fact her own fault and she have no one to be blamed for that. And that fits her character just perfectly, does it not?

"I gotta blame someone. Otherwise it's all my fault"

Sneddonator
10th Aug 2015, 08:33
While its an interesting topic. I think its a dead end and not worth the analysis and attention its receiving. I doubt there was any thought in the developers minds that this aspect of the story would be scrutinised and was merely a link in the story chain albeit a weak link in some players minds.

Xeva-q
10th Aug 2015, 08:37
While its an interesting topic. I think its a dead end and not worth the analysis and attention its receiving. I doubt there was any thought in the developers minds that this aspect of the story would be scrutinised and was merely a link in the story chain albeit a weak link in some players minds.
And thus, we have an inconsistency, right? Saying that car was sent into a ditch and then showing it on the middle of a road... Well, it is kind of lame.

Sneddonator
10th Aug 2015, 08:42
I dont agree. Your comparison of car accidents with a game of pinball is correct. Cars end up in odd places, even if that means back on the road. There is dirt and dust on the road suggesting it was offroad at some point before its final resting place.

Xeva-q
10th Aug 2015, 08:52
Cars end up in odd places, even if that means back on the road.
Well, care to share? If if's too shocking you can use pm.

There is dirt and dust on the road
Where you saw any dirt? There is none!

Sneddonator
10th Aug 2015, 09:25
Im not going to hunt down crash vids to strengthen my case simply because I take no pleasure in watching them. but they are easy to find around the web. Live leak will provide you with enough research material.

Xeva-q
10th Aug 2015, 09:39
Im not going to hunt down crash vids to strengthen my case simply because I take no pleasure in watching them. but they are easy to find around the web. Live leak will provide you with enough research material.

It was you who made an impossible claim, not me.

And, clearly, you understand that non-existence of something is impossible to prove.

Sneddonator
10th Aug 2015, 11:02
I respect that you have strong feelings on this topic. However you cant state outright that my 'claim' is impossible because a) you can't imagine it and b) i choose not to spend time qualifying it with video proof.

Everything is probable; just to varying degrees.

Sneddonator
10th Aug 2015, 11:05
And, clearly, you understand that non-existence of something is impossible to prove.
show me the video of Chloes accident and I will stand corrected.

Sneddonator
10th Aug 2015, 11:30
Moreover, sometimes you have to accept that what your told has integrity. Alternative Chloe may not be as deceitful as original Chloe so its reasonable to assume she is telling the truth given her circumstances.

And its no mystery that you have a strong dislike for Chloe so your view may be skewed by this.

Tataboj
10th Aug 2015, 11:55
Why couldn't a tow truck get Chloe's car back on the road?

Sneddonator
10th Aug 2015, 12:04
Why wouldn't a tow truck get Chloe's car back on the road?

My thoughts exactly.

Xeva-q
10th Aug 2015, 13:15
However you cant state outright that my 'claim' is impossible because a) you can't imagine it and b) i choose not to spend time qualifying it with video proof.
It is impossible simply because it's denies some basic laws of physics. And i was a physics teacher, you know.

show me the video of Chloes accident and I will stand corrected.
There is no such video. But i think what we have now is more that enough to make a pretty solid conclusion. There is literally no way that Chloe's car was sent into a ditch. This photo states this beyond any reasonable doubt.

Moreover, sometimes you have to accept that what your told has integrity.
Why i have to accept something if i have some facts that clearly states otherwise?

And i can address the exact same thing to you, you know. From my understanding it is you who deny some pretty clear and solid facts and overcomplicate matter with no apparent reason.

I can accept inconsistency though. I am completely okay with that. After all, we have more that enough of them.

Why couldn't a tow truck get Chloe's car back on the road?

It makes no sense by car position and wire tracks on a road.

Who would left evacuated car on the middle of the road? And do you see wire-tracks near its wheels? It, without shadow of doubt, indicates that car stoped in that very position.

Sneddonator
10th Aug 2015, 13:46
We must be on different wave lengths or something because our conversation isnt progressing as it should when two people are talking about the same thing.

Its great that you were a physics teacher so you would know that a fast moving object will rebound off immovable objects and change tragectory. Depending on the orientation of the road or adjacent roads to the ditch in question which itself could be either deep or shallow. It is plausible that a vehicle could leave a road enter a ditch rebound off a surface and return to the road albeit further up yhe road than where it left it.

Or alternatively, leave the road go down one side of a ditch collide and push through an object like a tree and end up on another road either running parallel-to or at right angles- to the original road from which the car came from.

To say that the photo shows that the car was never in a ditch beyond reasonable doubt is naive. It could very well have been dragged up on to the road by a tow truck. You dont know that the wheels arent jammed and left marks as they were dragged. You cant see the whole scenario except for a narrow image of the car. There is no way that there is enough evidence in a photo at that angle at night to make such statements.

I know you cant show me the video because i know it doesnt exist which means you cant prove that there isnt a ditch nearby or where the car left the road, what it ran in to, what emergency vehicles are there, what they did, what happened to the other car, what the condition of the road was like, what speed they were doing.

There is so much more in what we dont know than what that sketchy photo tells us.

So the only thing beyond reasable doubt is that neither you nor I or any other player has any idea how the accident unfolded in those moments. Except for the words of Chloe to her trusted friend. She was cut off. She ended up in a ditch. Max is one of the only people we know Chloe can be herself around so I have to believe that what she tells Max has truth.

Sneddonator
10th Aug 2015, 13:55
http://trickoftheeye.eu/assets/images/helicopter-cup.jpg
I can say without reasonable doubt that helicopters have been made so small that we now use them to rescue stranded bugs on cups.

I can say that with confidence and believe it if I choose to ignore other information i cant see or am naive to.

meimeiriver
10th Aug 2015, 14:03
I can say without reasonable doubt that helicopters have been made so small that we now use them to rescue stranded bugs on cups.

^^ You'll love this then. :)

http://thegouldenway.deviantart.com/art/LIFE-IS-STRANGE-From-a-Mile-Away-548623369

EDIT: Seems like someone, not me, edited the image out. :(

Xeva-q
10th Aug 2015, 22:26
Its great that you were a physics teacher so you would know that a fast moving object will rebound off immovable objects and change tragectory. Depending on the orientation of the road or adjacent roads to the ditch in question which itself could be either deep or shallow. It is plausible that a vehicle could leave a road enter a ditch rebound off a surface and return to the road albeit further up yhe road than where it left it.
em... nope.

There is so much more in what we dont know than what that sketchy photo tells us.
No. you don't know. Because it would be rather unpleasant. Sounds like someone you know?

She was cut off. She ended up in a ditch. Max is one of the only people we know Chloe can be herself around so I have to believe that what she tells Max has truth.
About being naive, lol.

Pegalicious99
11th Aug 2015, 01:02
I think I have the answer to all of this. The photo is WILLIAM's car...not Chloe's. We see this photo after Max goes back in time again to let him die (a second time).

meimeiriver
11th Aug 2015, 01:40
I think I have the answer to all of this. The photo is WILLIAM's car...not Chloe's. We see this photo after Max goes back in time again to let him die (a second time).

Are you sure? I think I see Chloe still in the car (enhanced):

http://i.imgur.com/kVzG4kB.jpg

There's what looks like an outline of a skull on Chloe's tshirt.

Onmens
11th Aug 2015, 02:00
I'm pretty sure Chloe had a truck. That doesn't look like a truck.

Pegalicious99
11th Aug 2015, 02:02
Are you sure? I think I see Chloe still in the car (enhanced):

http://i.imgur.com/kVzG4kB.jpg

There's what looks like an outline of a skull on Chloe's tshirt.

Dang, sorry, but I'm not seeing it. Plus, it would be odd for someone to take that photo before actually trying to get Chloe out of the car (paramedics don't snap photos of victims in the car, do they?)

Also, I could have sworn that the photo of Chloe in the alternate timeline holding the key to her new vehicle actually showed a truck behind her and not a compact car. I know she mentions a hybrid in ep 4...hmmm.

Sneddonator
11th Aug 2015, 02:02
I'm pretty sure Chloe had a truck. That doesn't look like a truck.


I dont think she had a truck in the alternative timeline which is what we are discussing.

Pegalicious99
11th Aug 2015, 02:03
I'm pretty sure Chloe had a truck. That doesn't look like a truck.

Yes! thank you! I just mentioned that now...I also saw a truck in the sweet 16 birthday photo. I really do think the smashed car here is William's.

Sneddonator
11th Aug 2015, 02:11
Yes! thank you! I just mentioned that now...I also saw a truck in the sweet 16 birthday photo. I really do think the smashed car here is William's.

Ill need to check that out. I think you guys are possibly right. :thumb:

meimeiriver
11th Aug 2015, 02:17
Dang, sorry, but I'm not seeing it. Plus, it would be odd for someone to take that photo before actually trying to get Chloe out of the car (paramedics don't snap photos of victims in the car, do they?).

I'm not sure I'm seeing it now either. :) Could just be the seats of the car.

So, yeah, if this is William's car, case solved. Good work!

Xeva-q
11th Aug 2015, 02:21
Sorry, i almost regret that, it would be great to create this much arguing out of nowhere :), but this car is undoubtedly belongs to Chloe. Simply because this photo was eliminated and replaced with the other, but not the other way around.

So, yeah, if this is William's car, case solved. Good work!
Why, indeed. but not as you expect it was.:)

Plus, it would be odd for someone to take that photo before actually trying to get Chloe out of the car
No one is taking them.

Pegalicious99
11th Aug 2015, 02:37
Sorry, i almost regret that, it would be great to create this much arguing out of nowhere :), but this car is undoubtedly belongs to Chloe. Simply because this photo was eliminated and replaced with the other, but not the other way around.

Why, indeed. but not as you expect it was.:)

No one is taking them.

I have to disagree about this "undoubtedly" being Chloe's car. I don't think this was her car, is what I'm saying.

Xeva-q
11th Aug 2015, 02:53
I have to disagree about this "undoubtedly" being Chloe's car. I don't think this was her car, is what I'm saying.

It is only means that you are wrong. :)

Sneddonator
14th Aug 2015, 06:45
Yes! thank you! I just mentioned that now...I also saw a truck in the sweet 16 birthday photo. I really do think the smashed car here is William's.

Ive just played through the alternative Arcadia Bay section and its pretty clear.

A) Chloe received a red pick up truck (that almost looks identical to Nathan's) for her birthday

B) The photo of the trashed vehicle is that same truck. There is enough detail to conclude this.

C) The photo of the trashed vehicle clearly shows dirt and debris on the roadway which again confirms the ditch story and gives integrity to Chloes story.

Case closed.

Xeva-q
14th Aug 2015, 08:07
Case closed.
Nope.

For example, there is no dirt. Like, at all. Where did you see it, i just can't understand.

Sneddonator
14th Aug 2015, 08:26
What I will do, when I get a chance (hopefully tonight) is Ill try and explain what I am seeing by highlighting parts of the photo. I may even draw out the ditch accident how i think it may have unfolded based on what we know.

Xeva-q
14th Aug 2015, 08:41
What I will do, when I get a chance (hopefully tonight) is Ill try and explain what I am seeing by highlighting parts of the photo. I may even draw out the ditch accident how i think it may have unfolded based on what we know.
Well, you can try it out, but that would be a waste of time. Simply because this photo is unrealistic by itself.

Sneddonator
14th Aug 2015, 09:07
Well, you can try it out, but that would be a waste of time. Simply because this photo is unrealistic by itself.

Fare enough.

JoelGrosso
4th Sep 2015, 03:23
The frot Window is practically intact, so she can't be expelled from the car. What if she was in the companion seat and she only remember what someone else told her. Or maeby the car WAS on a ditch and the firemans have to took it out of there to rescue Chloe. Maeby that snap she felt was her neck instead of her spine, http://www.loudongarage.com/images/gallery/home/TruckInDitch.JPG

Hashihime
23rd Sep 2015, 18:15
A ditch: A trench or waterway used for drainage or irrigation. It's also used as a verb, to force [an automobile] off-road. Colloquially we talk about being forced off-road into a ditch, even in urban areas where our storm drainage is underground. So while she could have been lying about the specifics of the incident, I wonder what purpose it would serve to the story, given the severity of her injuries and that we're unlikely to revisit that timeline.

I think the SUV that was involved in that incident was probably driven by our favourite gun-toting psychotic teen, though!

TSUSMC9
3rd Oct 2015, 11:28
I'm unsure if this has been mentioned yet or not. Sorry if it has.
I'm surprised if if hasn't been though.
The real alternative, is that Chloe was thrown out of the vehicle she was in. She never says that the vehicle itself was in a ditch but that she was..
If we base it of the picture in this thread it'd add up. (And the truck shown above is in fact a truck. It's just a crew cab truck.) The passengers door is open and she could of flew out of it. Since it doesn't look like she ever wears a seat belt. So that could very likely happen.
I don't think that there's any inconsistencies with this rather ideas that weren't thought of to be possible outcomes for the wreck.

Edit: Just want to add, after viewing the photo's again, that it's still possible that the truck itself ended up in a ditch. (If it wasn't just Chloe herself) As I pointed out in the photos I added below, the truck is on the road sideways (or taking up both lanes of traffic) with the front of the truck being smashed it could of been the end of the truck that was in the ditch. The fact that it's now on the road doesn't deny the accident. It just makes it seem obvious that it was towed/pulled out of the ditch.

I've tried focusing on just the back of the truck to help others see the cargo bed. Which is hard because of the door being open but it's still visible.
http://i.imgur.com/eEM7yow.jpg

In this picture I've labeled with the colors. h
http://i.imgur.com/REQJzAR.jpg
The green is the cargo bed.
The purple shows the crew cab.
And the pink shows the placement of the truck, Which appears to be sideways on the road as the yellow lines are going against the alignment of the truck rather than with it.

I want to add because I seen someone say above about a picture being took of the truck. I personally don't think Chloe is inside. But, to say someone wouldn't take a picture, though it may be the decent logical thing to do it isn't always so obvious to others. When my Mom was in a wreck, instead of helping her someone posted pictures of her wreck on social media.

Tataboj
3rd Oct 2015, 12:15
I'm unsure if this has been mentioned yet or not. Sorry if it has.
I'm surprised if if hasn't been though.
The real alternative, is that Chloe was thrown out of the vehicle she was in. She never says that the car itself was in a ditch but that she was..
If we base it of the picture in this thread it'd add up. (And the truck shown above is in fact a truck. It's just a crew cab truck.) The passengers door is open and she could of flew out of it. Since it doesn't look like she ever wears a seat belt. So that could very likely happen.
I don't think that there's any inconsistencies with this rather ideas that weren't thought of to be possible outcomes for the wreck.

Those Americans... How many times are people gonna tell them to use seatbelts. ;)