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LordBattleBeard
4th Aug 2015, 19:59
Update: I made a video of video of basically the theory as described in this thread.
http://i.imgur.com/uxYp9ck.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYWMU_W6t4U)

Also check out my other video.
"Things That Could Happen In Episode 5 Polarized - David Madsen The Hero?"
http://i.imgur.com/e2NqN2c.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqxygUb1qCI)



http://i.imgur.com/VZ8YrHrl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/VZ8YrHr.jpg)
Click the image to enlarge.

Ok, I will admit.. when I first read this suggestion, I discarded it out of hand. Why? Because Rachel was dead, evidenced by the fact that the doe was resting at the burial spot in Episode 2 when Nathan was still around. I still believe this to be true. Rachel is dead, period. But this doesn't mean Nathan can't be dead too. This made me go back and question my own lack of reasoning and judgement.

http://i.imgur.com/XKxdPQe.png

Mr Jefferson is controlling Nathan in order to gain access to his families vast wealth. Nathan is known to be on some pretty heavy medication. If you combine this with additional sedation and careful manipulation and it's not out of the realm of possibility.
In the girls bathrooms (Episode 1) Nathan is quoted as saying:
"Don't EVER tell me what to do. I'm so SICK of people trying to control me!"

After discovering the dark room, Max and Chloe left the area without putting anything back in the cabinets they ransacked. Most notably the folder titled "Victoria":

http://i.imgur.com/vhXe9DTm.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/vhXe9DT.jpg)

Nathan and Victoria are known to be very good friends. After returning to the darkroom and discovering this, Nathan would be left under no illusion as to who Mr Jefferson's next target was.

Also left out in the open was this picture of Rachel laying dead in the junkyard with Nathens own presumably dosed body:

http://i.imgur.com/BQoP79rm.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/BQoP79r.jpg)

The game suggests through the narrative of Max & Chloe that Nathan was posing for the photograph. But what if he wasn't and he was drugged too? I think Nathen knew nothing about it or of Rachel's fate, but does after returning to the dark room and seeing the evidence Max & Chloe left behind them. He now knows his friend Victoria is in danger.


I believe Nathan was already showing signs of resisting and questioning Mr Jefferson, as evidenced by the phonecall Mr Jefferson took before class in Episode 2. We know now that Nathan made the call because of the post-it note left for him in the dark room:

http://i.imgur.com/o6KYuz8m.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/o6KYuz8.jpg)

Although you could only hear one side of the phonecall, it was clear from the general tone that Nathan was spooked and asking a lot of questions (further evidence of how little he too knew of what was going on). This was possibly the first sign of his resistance to Mr Jeffersons lies and manipulations.

Update: As pointed out by user: meimeiriver. This is not possible as Nathan was in the next room talking to Victoria. Which begs the question who Mr Jefferson was on the phone talking about Rachel and Kate to? Sean Prescott?

Now equipped with the knowledge and facts of Rachels death and Victoria's impending fate, any remaining control Jefferson still had over Nathan was now gone.

His next actions are imprecise but I speculate he confronted Mr Jefferson either before or after going to the junkyard to find out about Rachel for himself. The evidence for this is in the graffiti in the club house of the junkyard:

http://i.imgur.com/8T78y9Ql.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/8T78y9Q.jpg)

Reminiscent of the message he left in Max's dorm room if you reported him to the principle for carrying a firearm.
At first thought you might think this is a threat but on closer inspection, is it not a warning of things to come? (credit to Xeva-q for this thought).
He is heard saying the same thing earlier in the same episode:
"The storm is coming. Y'all gonna die!"

By this stage, Nathan went from a liability to a threat to Mr Jefferson... and we know what happens to people who are a threat to Mr Jefferson:

http://i.imgur.com/JPnWzbQm.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/JPnWzbQ.jpg)

And the last face Nathan would have saw before lights out?

http://i.imgur.com/1PGQ9NFm.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/1PGQ9NF.jpg)

Therein lies the theory (or at least my own variation of it. I certainly wasn't the first.).

http://i.imgur.com/93sY57N.png

What Max & Chloe first unearth at the burial site is black in colour indicating either a black bin bag or leather jacket.
Returning later that evening, what they unearth is now blue with a white stripe through the middle. What changed?

It matches Nathans alternate clothing as the picture illustrates:

http://i.imgur.com/8qlswDkl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/8qlswDk.jpg)

We never saw Nathan again after the altercation in the boys dormitories. In fact, Nathan never showed at his own party. You would think for someone who is altogether not a very happy person and without much joy in their life, this, the one thing he has control over, would be pretty high up on his list of places to be.

The text sent to lure Chloe/Max away from the college and to the junkyard was sent from Nathans phone but Mr Jefferson alone is there to greet them. The language and sentence structure of the text doesn't match any of Nathans usually short and aggressive texts sent prior:

http://i.imgur.com/JrLe6y6l.jpg (http://imgur.com/JrLe6y6)

This would indicate Mr Jefferson took Nathans phone and was the one to write the message. Why would Mr Jefferson have to send the text if Nathan is complicit and working with him?

http://i.imgur.com/uOTg3am.png

If Nathan is indeed dead, how can there be a consequence in our earlier decision to stop (or not stop) Warren from going beyond self defence and assaulting Nathan in the boys dormitories?

Wouldn't more of the earth need to have been disturbed in order to bury another human size human body on top of Rachels? who has presumably been there for a while for the grass to have grown in the first place.

This isn't really an "against" but there is an ambiguity in the game whereby if Nathan is suspended, his Jacket will be in the darkroom and if he's not suspended, his jacket won't be in the darkroom. Possibly a hint at alternate fates for Nathan.


Your thoughts?

NayaBR
4th Aug 2015, 20:09
It's very very strange that when Chloe and Max find the buried body it still stinks. If Rachel disappeared like 6 months ago the body wouldn't smell anymore, at least not that much. Maybe Rachel wasn't murdered 6 months ago, but I doubt that Mr. J would keep her alive so much time and then kill her when the game starts. So, I find difficult to think that the corpse is Rachel's body.
I like your theory.

LordBattleBeard
4th Aug 2015, 20:19
It's very very strange that when Chloe and Max find the buried body it still stinks. If Rachel disappeared like 6 months ago the body wouldn't smell anymore, at least not that much. Maybe Rachel wasn't murdered 6 months ago, but I doubt that Mr. J would keep her alive so much time and then kill her when the game starts. So, I find difficult to think that the corpse is Rachel's body.
I like your theory.There is A LOT of survivalist-type food in the dark room where Rachel would have been kept. I don't think this was by accident. This is where Jefferson would have kept her for a while before either:
Deciding she had served her purpose and/or knew too much about his operation
She tried to escape or Nathan tried to help her
If the body was sealed in a black bag as the first shot suggests, I suspect it would take longer to decompose.

Thank you :)

Onmens
4th Aug 2015, 20:28
Nathan could be working for David. What was that thing he wrote? Something like "following those he follows"?

So that could have made him a target.

LordBattleBeard
4th Aug 2015, 20:31
Nathan could be working for David. What was that thing he wrote? Something like "following those he follows"?

So that could have made him a target.Indeed. This is still left unanswered and is a distinct possibility.
David was on the case and suspect not far behind the truth. His judgement has often been proven right. It's just his execution that was shoddy.

NayaBR
4th Aug 2015, 20:41
There is A LOT of survivalist-type food in the dark room where Rachel would have been kept. I don't think this was by accident. This is where Jefferson would have kept her for a while before either:
Deciding she had served her purpose and/or knew too much about his operation
She tried to escape or Nathan tried to help her
If the body was sealed in a black bag as the first shot suggests, I suspect it would take longer to decompose.

Thank you :)

There's a lot of food because it's a bunker, the Prescott family knows about the storm coming, I don't think that Rachel has been kept there for a long time...

Xeva-q
4th Aug 2015, 20:43
Well, it is clearly not impossible but highly unlikely. After all we have to assume that it is strange Nathan's message. Argument about Nathan's jacket seem just to questionable for me.

What's more Jefferson have no apparent reason to bury Nathan in exact same spot. For doing so he have to extract Rachel's body, enlarge the improvised grave and put them both there. Even if Nathan is indeed dead Jefferson have no apparent reason to go through so much trouble.

Furthermore if Jefferson is indeed sponsored by Nathan's father, by killing Nathan he would dig his own grave.


If Nathan is indeed dead, how can there be a consequence in our earlier decision to stop (or not stop) Warren from going beyond self defence and assaulting Nathan in the boys dormitories?

But, ironically, this counterargument does not work either. In this very episode we could killed alternative Chloe or leave her be. And this would have consequences either, despite the fact that alternative reality was eliminated (apparently for good)

LordBattleBeard
4th Aug 2015, 20:49
There's a lot of food because it's a bunker, the Prescott family knows about the storm coming, I don't think that Rachel has been kept there for a long time...That's true. No dispute, but it does give the possibility she could be kept there. And it also explains why the Doe was there at the burial site in Episode 2.


What's more Jefferson have no apparent reason to bury Nathan in exact same spot.Do killers and psychopaths need a reason to do anything? its their lack of reason that leads them to commit despicable acts.


For doing so he have to extract Rachel's body, enlarge the improvised grave and put them both there. Even if Nathan is indeed dead Jefferson have no apparent reason to go through so much trouble.The picture of Rachel and Nathan passed out in the graveyard would make Mr Jefferson burying them together as in the photo, a symbolic act. These "artists" live in a fantasy world.


Furthermore if Jefferson is indeed sponsored by Nathan's father, by killing Nathan he would dig his own grave.I take your point on this one. But maybe Jefferson is working with Nathans father and has his authorisation? he never was much of a father.

Tataboj
4th Aug 2015, 20:57
That decision could be important for the fact who has Nathan's gun, but how Xeva-q said, it is very unlikely for Nathan to be dead.

Xeva-q
4th Aug 2015, 21:01
It's very very strange that when Chloe and Max find the buried body it still stinks.
It actually not that strange because literally nothing about Rachel's body makes any sense. I established enough inconsistencies on that matter so, i think it is save to conclude that we just have some inattention in writing.

Tataboj
4th Aug 2015, 21:07
It actually not that strange because literally nothing about Rachel's body makes any sense. I established enough inconsistencies on that matter so, i think it is save to conclude that we just have some inattention in writing.

There is a theory Rachel was killed during the Episode 1 or 2.

LordBattleBeard
4th Aug 2015, 21:10
There is a theory Rachel was killed during the Episode 1 or 2.I think this is the most realistic timespan.

Xeva-q
4th Aug 2015, 21:19
I think this is the most realistic timespan.
If so, we have even more inconsistencies here, like some growing grass on her improvised grave. :)

But, since everything about Rachel's body does not make any sense this assumption is actually not impossible.

meimeiriver
4th Aug 2015, 21:56
@LordBattleBeard: I love your theory! :) And you bring up some very good points; especially about Nathan beginning to turn sides after seeing Victoria's empty binder. And Nathan definitely has a thing for Victoria (as seen in Ep. 4 trailer, for one).


Also, why is Nathan's jacket still in the bunker?! You don't just walk out a vaulted bunker like that, 'forgetting' your jacket. He may indeed be dead.

Xeva-q
4th Aug 2015, 22:01
Also, why is Nathan's jacket still in the bunker?!
But it is optional.

LordBattleBeard
4th Aug 2015, 22:05
@LordBattleBeard: I love your theory! :) And you bring up some very good points; especially about Nathan beginning to turn sides after seeing Victoria's empty binder. And Nathan definitely has a thing for Victoria (as seen in Ep. 4 trailer, for one).Well its not my theory (others came up with the prospect first). This is just my variation of it. The thoughts are all my own but others brought up the prospect of Nathan not being alive before I did, and frankly that's the only reason I gave it as much thought as I did. But I know what you mean. Thank you :)


Also, why is Nathan's jacket still in the bunker?! You don't just walk out a vaulted bunker like that, 'forgetting' your jacket. He may indeed be dead.Good question and one I saw mentioned a few times, which led me to question why I didn't see it myself despite being meticulous about checking every area before moving on. I could be wrong, but from the multiple playthroughs I've watched, it looks like it's only there if Nathan got suspended. In my case, he wasn't suspended. A very minor detail but it could mean something more later on.

meimeiriver
4th Aug 2015, 22:13
Well its not my theory (others have thought some of the same things too). This is just my variation of it and thoughts.. but I know what you mean. Thank you :)

Good question and one I saw mentioned a few times, which led me to question why I didn't see it myself despite being meticulous about checking every area before moving on. I could be wrong, but from the multiple playthroughs I've watched, it looks like it's only there if Nathan got suspended. In my case, he wasn't suspended. A very minor detail but it could mean something more later on.

Yes, I got him suspended. :) So, maybe the jacket is just an extra clue? I still think he wouldn't just forget his jacket like that.

.

Xeva-q
4th Aug 2015, 22:23
Here some info regarding bunker:

http://cerealmisandrist.tumblr.com/post/125551306972/choice-determinant-items-found-in-nathans

LordBattleBeard
4th Aug 2015, 22:34
Yes, I got him suspended. :) So, maybe the jacket is just an extra clue? I still think he wouldn't just forget his jacket like that.Indeed. Even if it turns out he's not dead, I still think he's being used/manipulated by those around him and a victim of circumstance more than choice. People forget he was just a convenient decoy to shine the light of suspicion away from Mr Jefferson.


Here some info regarding bunker:

http://cerealmisandrist.tumblr.com/post/125551306972/choice-determinant-items-found-in-nathansThat's interesting. Thanks for the link.

Xeva-q
4th Aug 2015, 22:39
If he was suspended it is actually make some sense for him to throw away his jacket at some point.

Even if it turns out he's not dead, I still think he's being used/manipulated by those around him and a victim of circumstance more than choice.
Or something much more crazy and darker.

meimeiriver
4th Aug 2015, 22:45
Indeed. Even if it turns out he's not dead, I still think he's being used/manipulated by those around him and a victim of circumstance more than choice. People forget he was just a convenient decoy to shine the light of suspicion away from Mr Jefferson.

Yes, it looks more and more that Nathan was just another type of victim (even when he's not dead).

I still don't understand that hand-written (!) letter, though. I always thought that was sent by his dad (as texts from his dad are always on about how he wants him to follow in his footsteps); but it could, indeed, come from Mr. Jefferson too -- although the latter would be stupid for hand-writing a letter like that to Nathan.

LordBattleBeard
4th Aug 2015, 22:48
If he was suspended it is actually make some sense for him to throw away his jacket at some point.Suspension and expulsion are two different things. It was a temporary suspension never likely to become a permanent expulsion.


Or something much more crazy and darker.Anything to support that assertion?

meimeiriver
4th Aug 2015, 22:48
If he was suspended it is actually make some sense for him to throw away his jacket at some point.


Throw away, yes maybe. Leaving it inside a bunker full of photos and binders with tortured young women, as a big 'I was definitely involved!' sign, nah. :)

DeAxiom
4th Aug 2015, 22:55
I like everything about this theory except for the Jefferson phone call in episode 2. Listening to Jefferson it is definitely a phone call with someone very distressed and a call he doesn't want to be having. Yet the moment you go inside the class room there's Nathan calm and talking to Victoria. The call has to be coming from someone else. A 3rd player in the murder mystery?

Xeva-q
4th Aug 2015, 23:01
Suspension and expulsion are two different things. It was a temporary suspension never likely to become a permanent expulsion.
But he is infamous for uncontrollable rage.

Throw away, yes maybe. Leaving it inside a bunker full of photos and binders with tortured young women, as a big 'I was definitely involved!' sign, nah.
As you can see by link that i left there is enough of Nathan's personal things inside the bunker anyway. So, yeah, pretty much it.

Anything to support that assertion?
Well, i definitely have something but this theory of mine is still half-formed. I told you the very basics of it in pm. If i find it reasonable enough i will start a topic for it.

meimeiriver
4th Aug 2015, 23:06
I like everything about this theory except for the Jefferson phone call in episode 2. Listening to Jefferson it is definitely a phone call with someone very distressed and a call he doesn't want to be having. Yet the moment you go inside the class room there's Nathan calm and talking to Victoria. The call has to be coming from someone else. A 3rd player in the murder mystery?

For some reason, listening to that call again, I get the impression he's talking to a girl/woman. If not, it's either the Principal or Sean Pescott.

LordBattleBeard
4th Aug 2015, 23:11
I like everything about this theory except for the Jefferson phone call in episode 2. Listening to Jefferson it is definitely a phone call with someone very distressed and a call he doesn't want to be having. Yet the moment you go inside the class room there's Nathan calm and talking to Victoria. The call has to be coming from someone else. A 3rd player in the murder mystery?Damn, yeah. How could I miss that? He was right in the other room talking to Victoria. That does beg the question then; who Mr Jefferson was on the phone to! Rachel and Kate uttered in the same breath was one major red flag.


Yes, it looks more and more that Nathan was just another type of victim (even when he's not dead).

I still don't understand that hand-written (!) letter, though. I always thought that was sent by his dad (as texts from his dad are always on about how he wants him to follow in his footsteps); but it could, indeed, come from Mr. Jefferson too -- although the latter would be stupid for hand-writing a letter like that to Nathan.I'm no calligraphy expert but the two seem to match up:

http://i.imgur.com/oyGIxc9l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/oyGIxc9.jpg)


For some reason, listening to that call again, I get the impression he's talking to a girl/woman. If not, it's either the Principal or Sean Pescott.I don't think he would talk to the Principle like that. Sean Prescott is a distinct possibility.

meimeiriver
4th Aug 2015, 23:28
I'm no calligraphy expert but the two seem to match up:

http://i.imgur.com/oyGIxc9l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/oyGIxc9.jpg)



Good work!

Handwriting fonts in this game are somewhat problematic, though. Like when Max adds 'Max was here' to the text on the wall of Chloe's hideout, it's the same font used as what Rachel wrote in, for example. Things like that may just be due to this simply being a game, LOL, and Dontnod having used a limited set of calligraphy fonts.


This font is definitely very distinct, though; so you may really be right. :)

meimeiriver
4th Aug 2015, 23:36
I don't think he would talk to the Principle like that. Sean Prescott is a distinct possibility.

The only reason I considered the Principal, is because Mr. Jefferson, at some point, says:


"Listen, I *do* have a class I have to teach."


Especially the "do" suggests, to me, it's someone who would already know this (like the Principal). Sean Prescott would know he's a teacher, of course, but not that he [really] does have a class to teach at that moment, was my thinking.

LordBattleBeard
4th Aug 2015, 23:54
Good work!

Handwriting fonts in this game are somewhat problematic, though. Like when Max adds 'Max was here' to the text on the wall of Chloe's hideout, it's the same font used as what Rachel wrote in, for example. Things like that may just be due to this simply being a game, LOL, and Dontnod having used a limited set of calligraphy fonts.


This font is definitely very distinct, though; so you may really be right. :)Thanks. I always thought the designers hand-wrote this sort of stuff. Some of it appears that way.


The only reason I considered the Principal, is because Mr. Jefferson, at some point, says:


"Listen, I *do* have a class I have to teach."


Especially the "do" suggests, to me, it's someone who would already know this (like the Principal). Sean Prescott would know he's a teacher, of course, but not that he [really] does have a class to teach at that moment, was my thinking.Thats a good point and observation. Although frankly, I don't think the principle comes across as intelligent or thoughtful enough to put the Rachel Amber thing together with the Kate Marsh incident. He's more likely to be busy drinking scotch in his office ;)

I don't know. Maybe the phonecall will turn out to be nothing, but it's what made me sit up and take notice of Mr Jefferson in Episode 2.

Xeva-q
5th Aug 2015, 00:02
I am actually dying to know what is written near Kate's photos. It could be Jefferson's very agenda! Maybe it... analysis of some sort?

meimeiriver
5th Aug 2015, 00:11
Thats a good point and observation. Although frankly, I don't think the principle comes across as intelligent or thoughtful enough to put the Rachel Amber thing together with the Kate Marsh incident. He's more likely to be busy drinking scotch in his office ;)

I don't know. Maybe the phonecall will turn out to be nothing, but it's what made me sit up and take notice of Mr Jefferson in Episode 2.

In the Ep. 4 trailer, we're seeing the Principal having a semi-heated argument with Mr. Jefferson, outside his car. (I think that's actually Ep. 5 footage, btw; and we still have a Chapter due called "Mr. Jefferson's car.") And although the Principal is definitely not the criminal mastermind here, he certainly must be involved somehow (if only to facilitate the Prescotts/Mr. Jefferson).

LordBattleBeard
5th Aug 2015, 00:50
I am actually dying to know what is written near Kate's photos. It could be Jefferson's very agenda! Maybe it... analysis of some sort?I doubt it has his agenda written there but it would be interesting to read. Shame its mostly just incomprehensible chicken scratches :(


In the Ep. 4 trailer, we're seeing the Principal having a semi-heated argument with Mr. Jefferson, outside his car. (I think that's actually Ep. 5 footage). And although the Principal is definitely not the criminal mastermind here, he certainly must be involved somehow (if only to facilitate the Prescotts/Mr. Jefferson).Ep. 4 trailer? You sure you don't mean the end scene of Episode 2? I forgot about this. Yeah, they were talking about something we couldn't hear. At the time I just interpreted it as the principle telling Jefferson he should have done more to help Kate. Though they really could be discussing anything.


and we still have a Chapter due called "Mr. Jefferson's car."
Jeffersons car was before the Junkyard in the evening so I guess they axed that to create more of a shock when it came to the latter. I find it unlikely they will put it back into Episode 5.

Xeva-q
5th Aug 2015, 01:06
I doubt it has his agenda written there but it would be interesting to read.
Well, of course their agenda does not written there. I meat that by knowing what is written there their agenda could be figured out. What i suggesting is this: they do their kidnappings in order to make some conclusion for each victim, witch is written on those photos.

I personally do not buy for a second that their goal was simply to make some dirty photos.

Sneddonator
5th Aug 2015, 03:18
I don't know. Maybe the phonecall will turn out to be nothing, but it's what made me sit up and take notice of Mr Jefferson in Episode 2.

I never paid any attention to the phone call and wish I did. Everyone references it. Another reason why replaying the game is necessary for me.

meimeiriver
5th Aug 2015, 04:48
Ep. 4 trailer? You sure you don't mean the end scene of Episode 2?

Jeffersons car was before the Junkyard in the evening so I guess they axed that to create more of a shock when it came to the latter. I find it unlikely they will put it back into Episode 5.

Haha! You're right on both counts. Remind me never to post again so far after midnight. :)

meimeiriver
5th Aug 2015, 05:33
I never paid any attention to the phone call and wish I did. Everyone references it. Another reason why replaying the game is necessary for me.

Youtube is your friend (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IIGd7UuwU0)

:)

Sneddonator
5th Aug 2015, 07:29
Thanks for the vid.

Could it be, if Nathan is the one dead, that infact Rachel comes to the rescue.... hmm

meimeiriver
5th Aug 2015, 07:43
In the Ep. 4 trailer, we're seeing the Principal having a semi-heated argument with Mr. Jefferson, outside his car. (I think that's actually Ep. 5 footage, btw; and we still have a Chapter due called "Mr. Jefferson's car.") And although the Principal is definitely not the criminal mastermind here, he certainly must be involved somehow (if only to facilitate the Prescotts/Mr. Jefferson).

Darn, I just learned it can't be the Principal: he's spotted across the hallway, at the time of the call, not on the phone.

StrangerThanFiction
5th Aug 2015, 13:36
Well, of course their agenda does not written there. I meat that by knowing what is written there their agenda could be figured out. What i suggesting is this: they do their kidnappings in order to make some conclusion for each victim, witch is written on those photos.

I personally do not buy for a second that their goal was simply to make some dirty photos.

Maybe Mr. Jefferson has a fetish? I don't know. But I agree. If we can figure out what the writing says, maybe we'll get a clearer picture on the entire situation. Or we wait until Jefferson's soliloquy in Ep 5.

And isn't it werid that we only see writing in Kate's binder? There's none at all in Rachel's.

Xeva-q
5th Aug 2015, 14:02
Maybe Mr. Jefferson has a fetish?

And Shaun have the exact same one?


And isn't it werid that we only see writing in Kate's binder?

We only saw to of them. So it is impossible to make any conclusion here.

meimeiriver
5th Aug 2015, 14:16
And Shaun have the exact same one?

Who's 'Shaun'?! Sean Prescott, you mean? If so, we don't know yet what the relationship between them is.

Xeva-q
5th Aug 2015, 14:24
Who's 'Shaun'?!
My mistake, sorry.

If so, we don't know yet what the relationship between them is.
But i can say right away that is seem completely unbelievable to me.

That Sean is completely okay with spending a huge amount of money and traumatize his own son for life only to get some photos. They even not that harsh if you asked me. On the contrary, they look pretty innocent. You can find much worst things on the web.

LordBattleBeard
5th Aug 2015, 15:18
Well, of course their agenda does not written there. I meat that by knowing what is written there their agenda could be figured out. What i suggesting is this: they do their kidnappings in order to make some conclusion for each victim, witch is written on those photos.

I personally do not buy for a second that their goal was simply to make some dirty photos.Perhaps. I guess we won't know unless we get some higher resolution shots :(


I never paid any attention to the phone call and wish I did. Everyone references it. Another reason why replaying the game is necessary for me.Replaying is definitely beneficial. Though I only keep my original save, I've replayed 4 times and still finding new things I didn't notice before it. Much of the beauty of this game is in its attention to detail.


Haha! You're right on both counts. Remind me never to post again so far after midnight. :)It was pretty late but fun :D


Thanks for the vid.

Could it be, if Nathan is the one dead, that infact Rachel comes to the rescue.... hmmThe problem I have with the Rachel is still alive theory is this: what was the Doe doing resting on the burial spot in Episode 2? and yeah, it was resting. It only stands when it sees Max. It makes perfect sense for the Doe to be Rachels and if not Rachels, whos?


Darn, I just learned it can't be the Principal: he's spotted across the hallway, at the time of the call, not on the phone.He was in the hallway but Max did a lot of stuff after seeing him so its reasonable to allow for the possibility that it still could have been him.


Who's 'Shaun'?! Sean Prescott, you mean? If so, we don't know yet what the relationship between them is.Sean's purpose for the dark room is related to the storm he and Nathan both know is coming. Whether or not it is connected to Mr Jeffersons activity in the dark room is unknown but I would hazard a guess at yes. Maybe sacrificing Rachel and the studens before her was part of some supernatural ritual to bring the storm about? Paving the way to rebuild Arcadia/Prescott Bay the way they want it.

Xeva-q
5th Aug 2015, 15:22
Maybe sacrificing Rachel and the studens before her was part of some supernatural ritual to bring the storm about?
Or to stop it from coming.

LordBattleBeard
5th Aug 2015, 15:32
Or to stop it from coming.I don't think it likely but as I see you made a thread on it, I'll reply there :p

Squinn1201
5th Aug 2015, 15:59
Mr. Jefferson's car is one of the photos Max collects from step-douche's surveillance. When Max has them on the murder board and is gathering information, you can click on it. Max says something like this is an expensive car...but the car is Mr. Jefferson's. You can see his car while he's talking with the Principal during the eclipse scene. So if we take it as David is just acting as a detective because he knows something is going on (a creepy one, yes) and is gathering evidence on his suspects, why would he have snapped a picture of Mr. Jefferson's car? Does David already suspect him? Unfortunately you cannot connect his car to the evidence (yet) or we would have known the shocking ending to the episode.

LordBattleBeard
5th Aug 2015, 16:07
Mr. Jefferson's car is one of the photos Max collects from step-douche's surveillance. When Max has them on the murder board and is gathering information, you can click on it. Max says something like this is an expensive car...but the car is Mr. Jefferson's. You can see his car while he's talking with the Principal during the eclipse scene. So if we take it as David is just acting as a detective because he knows something is going on (a creepy one, yes) and is gathering evidence on his suspects, why would he have snapped a picture of Mr. Jefferson's car? Does David already suspect him? Unfortunately you cannot connect his car to the evidence (yet) or we would have known the shocking ending to the episode.You're right. David suspects him. His surveillance and tracking was vital to Max/Chloes end result in finding the dark room. Davids judgement has been good and right all along; but because of his brash attitude people are quick to judge him unfairly, blame him for his mistakes and not credit him for all he's got right.

meimeiriver
5th Aug 2015, 16:10
You're right. David suspects him. His surveillance and tracking was vital to Max/Chloes end result in finding the dark room. Davids judgement has been good and right all along; but because of his brash attitude people are quick to judge him unfairly, blame him for his mistakes and not credit him for all he's got right.

And what's even worse, I had that poor man kicked out of his own home. :(

LordBattleBeard
5th Aug 2015, 16:14
And what's even worse, I had that poor man kicked out of his own home. :(That's terrible :( It must have taken me a good 10 minutes to make the difficult decision to side with David. But the only reason I could find for siding with Chloe was that in doing so and doing everything Chloe wanted, maybe that would yield the "happy ever after" ending whereby Chloe wouldn't have to die. Though I have to believe the writers wouldn't be so fickle and doing the (in my view) right and logical thing would count for something.

StrangerThanFiction
5th Aug 2015, 19:32
And Shaun have the exact same one?



We only saw to of them. So it is impossible to make any conclusion here.

True. I forgot about the other thousands.

Lately, I've been leaning on a Native American Puishmnent theory. The Prescott's are destroying scared Native American grounds and, as a result, some ancient force is punishing them for doing it, and AB for allowing it to happen. The storm is the "final act" and is meant to destroy AB and its residents for doing nothing about the Prescott problem. The reason why Max sees a lighthouse in her vision may mean that it holds some significant to the Native Americans and could be a safe haven.

This comes after watching some of Geek Remix's gameplay (and to Onmens who brought the theory about the NA and Max getting her powers from Tobanga.)

Xeva-q
5th Aug 2015, 20:28
True. I forgot about the other thousands.

Lately, I've been leaning on a Native American Puishmnent theory. The Prescott's are destroying scared Native American grounds and, as a result, some ancient force is punishing them for doing it, and AB for allowing it to happen. The storm is the "final act" and is meant to destroy AB and its residents for doing nothing about the Prescott problem. The reason why Max sees a lighthouse in her vision may mean that it holds some significant to the Native Americans and could be a safe haven.

This comes after watching some of Geek Remix's gameplay (and to Onmens who brought the theory about the NA and Max getting her powers from Tobanga.)

Well, it actually might be true, but it is just sooooo booooring.

Tataboj
5th Aug 2015, 20:54
True. I forgot about the other thousands.

Lately, I've been leaning on a Native American Puishmnent theory. The Prescott's are destroying scared Native American grounds and, as a result, some ancient force is punishing them for doing it, and AB for allowing it to happen. The storm is the "final act" and is meant to destroy AB and its residents for doing nothing about the Prescott problem. The reason why Max sees a lighthouse in her vision may mean that it holds some significant to the Native Americans and could be a safe haven.

This comes after watching some of Geek Remix's gameplay (and to Onmens who brought the theory about the NA and Max getting her powers from Tobanga.)

Well, to be honest, I don't like this theory. It seems too cliché and doesn't fit the story and overall atmosphere of the game.

melancholy_princess
5th Aug 2015, 21:53
One quick thing I never saw appearing in any thread or whatsoever (probably overread that), Nathan reacts positively surprised when he mistakes Max with Rachel because of her clothes in the Two Whales.
This could support this theory or indicate that Nathan didn't want to kill Rachel. But why is he posing like that on the photo then? Ok, he may be dosed and didn't think she was dead. Or maybe he didn't realise what he has done at the moment.
And when I saw that he didn't want to kill her, that could either mean he's more empathic than we thought, or that the whole missing person case is trouble (of course lol).
Anyways, I got kinda off-topic.

Sneddonator
5th Aug 2015, 22:16
I do somewhat suspect that Nathan was the one Rachel discovered from episode one. And that for the first time Nathan had someone he had a genuine connection with. After her death is when Nathans behaviour got worse.

LordBattleBeard
6th Aug 2015, 02:09
One quick thing I never saw appearing in any thread or whatsoever (probably overread that), Nathan reacts positively surprised when he mistakes Max with Rachel because of her clothes in the Two Whales.

This could support this theory or indicate that Nathan didn't want to kill Rachel.I chose not to mention it because it can be interpreted in two different ways:
1- He was surprised to see her because she was missing so long.
2- He was surprised to see her because he thought she was dead.


But why is he posing like that on the photo then? Ok, he may be dosed and didn't think she was dead. Or maybe he didn't realise what he has done at the moment.
And when I saw that he didn't want to kill her, that could either mean he's more empathic than we thought, or that the whole missing person case is trouble (of course lol).
I think dosed.


I do somewhat suspect that Nathan was the one Rachel discovered from episode one. And that for the first time Nathan had someone he had a genuine connection with. After her death is when Nathans behaviour got worse.Possible but I think it more likely she had the connection with Mr Jefferson. I heard it from a reliable source ;)
But its possible Nathan could have had a connection with her even if she didn't feel it back.

Sneddonator
6th Aug 2015, 03:20
Possible but I think it more likely she had the connection with Mr Jefferson. I heard it from a reliable source ;)
But its possible Nathan could have had a connection with her even if she didn't feel it back.

Thats right. I forgot about that gossip.

LordBattleBeard
6th Aug 2015, 04:16
Update: I made a video of video of basically the theory as described in this thread.
This is the first video I've produced/edited so don't be expecting a Warner Bros production ;)
http://i.imgur.com/uxYp9ck.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYWMU_W6t4U)

ByouRei
6th Aug 2015, 04:38
Nice video, but im stil think she was dead over 6 months. BUT ok maybe rachel is alive somewhere and then body was Nathan. and girl only ripe plastic, smell was too strong.
in be interesting in end, know who (from forum) has right

LordBattleBeard
6th Aug 2015, 04:41
Nice video, but im stil think she was dead over 6 months. BUT ok maybe rachel is alive somewhere and then body was Nathan. and girl only ripe plastic, smell was too strong. Thanks :)

in be interesting in end, know who (from forum) has rightIndeed. Thats half the fun! :p

StrangerThanFiction
6th Aug 2015, 04:45
Indeed. Thats half the fun! :p

So my brain being broke after making up theories is fun for you?! :p

It's possible that he could be dead. The last thing anyone saw him was after he went into his dorm. (He could have locked himself up in there. Then again, the jacket...[B]THE JACKET. :worship:]

Xeva-q
6th Aug 2015, 13:43
Actually after watching this video a i have to conclude that this theory is false. Sorry, but i see no way around it.

The very basis of you theory is that black bag was replaced with something blue. But it is just s matter of lighting and nothing more. Maxine and Chloe went to junk yard at night to make sure that Rachel's body was not tampered with. If they checked and saw that black bag was replaced with blue fabric they would be alarmed by this fact.

And yet, after they did some digging they clearly state this: "She is still there". This means that picture that they saw was the same as before.

And so, you theory is suggesting that two people can not tell the difference between black plastic bag and blue fabric at the point-black range. They could even feel this difference by their hands while digging. Sorry, but this is impossible.

Squinn1201
6th Aug 2015, 14:02
I'm not sure if Nathan is alive or not. I do think it was weird that he wasn't at the party, but I think that he is at the bunker. Maybe drugged or waiting for Jefferson to bring him another "subject". After all, Nathan WAS beat up pretty good. Even if you stopped Warren, Nathan had a good beating. Maybe he is too proud to attend.

While on the subject of Nathan getting his butt kicked, his reaction after Warren was finished was that of an abused child. Crawled up in the fetal position, begging for him to stop. I think Nathan puts on this tough guy image but it is really a mask for deep psychological trauma. We know that he self medicates, but I think that he takes drugs and has these psychological problems because he is abused physically and mentally from the hands of his father. Jefferson sees that vulnerability and uses him to be his apprentice.

StrangerThanFiction
6th Aug 2015, 14:05
I'm not sure if Nathan is alive or not. I do think it was weird that he wasn't at the party, but I think that he is at the bunker. Maybe drugged or waiting for Jefferson to bring him another "subject". After all, Nathan WAS beat up pretty good. Even if you stopped Warren, Nathan had a good beating. Maybe he is too proud to attend.

While on the subject of Nathan getting his butt kicked, his reaction after Warren was finished was that of an abused child. Crawled up in the fetal position, begging for him to stop. I think Nathan puts on this tough guy image but it is really a mask for deep psychological trauma. We know that he self medicates, but I think that he takes drugs and has these psychological problems because he is abused physically and mentally from the hands of his father. Jefferson sees that vulnerability and uses him to be his apprentice.

If you snoop around the dark room, you will see a letter from a Dr. Jacobey stating that Nathan has some serious deep seeded issues, but Sean doesn't want to do anything about it. Mental issues + Serious Meds with as equally serious side effects = More easy to manipulate.

Squinn1201
6th Aug 2015, 14:07
Yes, I saw that. That's what made me suspect abuse.

StrangerThanFiction
6th Aug 2015, 14:18
Yes, I saw that. That's what made me suspect abuse.

We do have a lot of evidence leaning toward abuse (emotional and psychological). I think now it's more of; to what degree.

LordBattleBeard
6th Aug 2015, 16:50
So my brain being broke after making up theories is fun for you?! :p

It's possible that he could be dead. The last thing anyone saw him was after he went into his dorm. (He could have locked himself up in there. Then again, the jacket...[B]THE JACKET. :worship:]:lmao:


The very basis of you theory is that black bag was replaced with something blue.The very basis of this theory is everything mentioned, not one thing ;)


But it is just s matter of lighting and nothing more.The white strip going down the middle is clearly absent in the first unearthing and present the second time. It's more than a case of just black vs blue so can't simply be put down to lighting for this very reason.


Maxine and Chloe went to junk yard at night to make sure that Rachel's body was not tampered with. If they checked and saw that black bag was replaced with blue fabric they would be alarmed by this fact.

And yet, after they did some digging they clearly state this: "She is still there". This means that picture that they saw was the same as before.Max said "Chloe don't look!" after checking the second time. They had already looked earlier that day. Maybe Max noticed? we don't know because she backed away and was dosed right after saying that.
Chloe was still inspecting the body (what was she checking for again?) when Max gave her the warning to look out. She was shot before having a chance to say anything else.
In fact, now I'm kind of peeved with myself for not mentioning this in support of the theory before :mad2:


If you snoop around the dark room, you will see a letter from a Dr. Jacobey stating that Nathan has some serious deep seeded issues, but Sean doesn't want to do anything about it. Mental issues + Serious Meds with as equally serious side effects = More easy to manipulate.Indeed :) there is no doubt of Nathan being manipulated, at least not in my mind. With all we know, I take this as a given.


We do have a lot of evidence leaning toward abuse (emotional and psychological). I think now it's more of; to what degree.Very true.

Xeva-q
6th Aug 2015, 17:47
:lmao:
The very basis of this theory is everything mentioned, not one thing ;)

There is common saying among Russian policemen: "net tela, net dela" with could be translated as "If there is no body there is no case"

Max said "Chloe don't look!" after checking the second time. They had already looked earlier that day. Maybe Max noticed? we don't know because she backed away and was dosed right after saying that.
Chloe was still inspecting the body (what was she checking for again?) when Max gave her the warning to look out. She was shot before having a chance to say anything else.
It won't work. Aren't you forget what Chloe said prior to that?
http://storage4.static.itmages.ru/i/15/0806/h_1438882390_5638788_7d862aa4f2.jpg
It is pretty much conformation made by Chloe herself that nothing is changed.

Chloe was still inspecting the body (what was she checking for again?)
And what makes you think that she is checking something but not just staring at it in a daze? It is a body of her best friend after all. There is nothing strange or unnatural about it for a change. She just sits there for a couple of seconds motionless.

In fact, now I'm kind of peeved with myself for not mentioning this in support of the theory before
It is can't support this theory in any way. I am afraid there is nothing left to support.

LordBattleBeard
6th Aug 2015, 18:13
There is common saying among Russian policemen: "net tela, net dela" with could be translated as "If there is no body there is no case"In much of the rest of the world convictions are brought even if there isn't a body.
This theory doesn't hang on there having to be a body. There is enough to suggest Nathan could already be dead. But alas, I still think Nathan is buried there :)


It won't work. Aren't you forget what Chloe said prior to that?
It is pretty much conformation made by Chloe herself that nothing is changed.I didn't forget. She said this after seeing there was still a body in the ground for 2 seconds in the dark. I speculate that the mostly covered body she saw was Nathans.


And what makes you think that she is checking something but not just staring at it in a daze? It is a body of her best friend after all. There is nothing strange or unnatural about it for a change. She just sits there for a couple of seconds motionless.Until episode 5 is release, all we can do is speculate based on what we see.


It is can't support this theory in any way. I am afraid there is nothing left to support.This is your view. Your entitled to form that judgement ;)
However, I see no reason put forth that would make me change my own.

Xeva-q
6th Aug 2015, 18:31
I didn't forget. She said this after seeing there was still a body in the ground for 2 seconds in the dark.
So you can say it by looking on some blurry textures, but game character can't at point-blank range? Riiiiiight.

Until episode 5 is release, all we can do is speculate based on what we see.
Every speculation must have some limits. You going against testimonies of a game characters, against common sense, and against game chronology. It is just to much.

This is your view.
Of course. And i am right.

LordBattleBeard
6th Aug 2015, 18:35
So you can say it by looking on some blurry textures, but game character can't at point-blank range? Riiiiiight.

Every speculation must have some limits. You going against testimonies of a game characters, against common sense, and against game chronology. It is just to much.

Of course. And i am right.Ok :thumb:

---

Update: I made a video of video of basically the theory as described in this thread.
This is the first video I've produced/edited so don't be expecting a Warner Bros production ;)
I need to buy a mic because god knows we need more British accents on YT :D
http://i.imgur.com/uxYp9ck.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYWMU_W6t4U)

NayaBR
6th Aug 2015, 22:46
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9BUwGWwAwY

Look at this

LordBattleBeard
7th Aug 2015, 20:52
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9BUwGWwAwY

Look at thisGood video. There are some interesting points there and some that I missed :)

VUylvern
8th Aug 2015, 18:49
Someone said that the principal drinks scotch...i never saw Jefferson drink any alcohol... what do you guys think? Maybe he's in it with Jefferson and nathan's death and all

VUylvern
8th Aug 2015, 18:54
Darn, I just learned it can't be the Principal: he's spotted across the hallway, at the time of the call, not on the phone.

It should be someone that wasnt there at that precise moment

VUylvern
8th Aug 2015, 19:08
Actually after watching this video a i have to conclude that this theory is false. Sorry, but i see no way around it.

The very basis of you theory is that black bag was replaced with something blue. But it is just s matter of lighting and nothing more. Maxine and Chloe went to junk yard at night to make sure that Rachel's body was not tampered with. If they checked and saw that black bag was replaced with blue fabric they would be alarmed by this fact.

And yet, after they did some digging they clearly state this: "She is still there". This means that picture that they saw was the same as before.

And so, you theory is suggesting that two people can not tell the difference between black plastic bag and blue fabric at the point-black range. They could even feel this difference by their hands while digging. Sorry, but this is impossible.

Still that message on max's phone was from Jefferson. There's no doubt that it was him, but why he has Nathan's phone?

VUylvern
8th Aug 2015, 19:17
There is common saying among Russian policemen: "net tela, net dela" with could be translated as "If there is no body there is no case"

It won't work. Aren't you forget what Chloe said prior to that?
http://storage4.static.itmages.ru/i/15/0806/h_1438882390_5638788_7d862aa4f2.jpg
It is pretty much conformation made by Chloe herself that nothing is changed.

And what makes you think that she is checking something but not just staring at it in a daze? It is a body of her best friend after all. There is nothing strange or unnatural about it for a change. She just sits there for a couple of seconds motionless.

It is can't support this theory in any way. I am afraid there is nothing left to support.

Why would someone bury two bodies in a same spot? Or replace one with another? Besides didn't Jefferson traveled a lot before going back to AB? He does have a lot of portfolios of women, assuming it was him alone that did this...

Xeva-q
8th Aug 2015, 19:48
Why would someone bury two bodies in a same spot?

Theory is suggesting that it was occurred simply because Jefferson was a psychopath.

More important question is WHEN he managed to do all this? It is work for hours. And one absolutely must take shower of bath afterwards and change their clothes. When Chloe and Maxine arrived at the junk yard, Nathan body wasn't there. Then they went into the party, and Jefferson arrived soonly afterwards. There is no time gap for him large enough to bury Nathan!

He does have a lot of portfolios of women, assuming it was him alone that did this...
I think him doing this alone is absolutely out of question.

RagdollZombie
9th Aug 2015, 09:12
Has anyone noticed that Nathan's jacket in the dark room looks like it's stained with blood?


http://i.imgur.com/VyL926v.png

LordBattleBeard
9th Aug 2015, 18:39
Someone said that the principal drinks scotch...i never saw Jefferson drink any alcohol... what do you guys think? Maybe he's in it with Jefferson and nathan's death and allPossible but guys of their age are known to drink scotch so it could be either one of theirs. I just think the principle is a drunken coward but its entirely possible there is more to it. Though as meimeiriver? pointed out, he was heavy in discussion with Mr Jefferson at the end scene of Episode 2, which is suspicious so you might have a point.



Has anyone noticed that Nathan's jacket in the dark room looks like it's stained with blood?


http://i.imgur.com/VyL926v.pngI haven't had chance to inspect it because I don't get to see the jacket on my gamesave. Indeed, it looks like blood patches. Probably from the earlier altercation with Warren because I don't see any signs of a struggle in the dark room.

VUylvern
9th Aug 2015, 20:09
Has anyone noticed that Nathan's jacket in the dark room looks like it's stained with blood?


http://i.imgur.com/VyL926v.png

Jefferson whas tutoring Nathan, no doubt. This guy gets sick of his attitude and makes him disappear in the dark room. Nathan's father doesn't know whats going on, but he knows about the storm (Clhoe says in ep 1 that oregon gets a tornado once every 20 years, maybe Harry Prescott knew back then?). David tries to help Nathan while he's working for his father.

In conclusion, Rachel's case was all Nathan's doing under Jefferson supervision, but he ****s it up and Jefferson drugs him. Chloe's another **** up but only Nathan was the culprit, and things started to get complicated for Jefferson in ep 4, so he's going to blame nathan for everything. The principal may kbow what's going on but he "cares about Blackwell's economy" so yes he's a coward, nothing more. None of them intended to kill Rachel but, **** happens.

VUylvern
9th Aug 2015, 20:16
Possible but guys of their age are known to drink scotch so it could be either one of theirs. I just think the principle is a drunken coward but its entirely possible there is more to it. Though as meimeiriver? pointed out, he was heavy in discussion with Mr Jefferson at the end scene of Episode 2, which is suspicious so you might have a point.


I haven't had chance to inspect it because I don't get to see the jacket on my gamesave. Indeed, it looks like blood patches. Probably from the earlier altercation with Warren because I don't see any signs of a struggle in the dark room.

Remember Jefferson's method. He could have dosed him there and drove off with the body

LordBattleBeard
9th Aug 2015, 21:49
Remember Jefferson's method. He could have dosed him there and drove off with the bodyIndeed. That is entirely possible :)

AndySond
10th Aug 2015, 16:50
What if it's a buried whale?

In a bag..

Piece of a whale. Used to get Chloe and Max distracted then to be ambushed my Jefferson.

VUylvern
10th Aug 2015, 18:04
lol, i see your point.

What about Jeff´s alibi? maybe there´s a third dude that did all his work?

LordBattleBeard
10th Aug 2015, 19:46
What if it's a buried whale?

In a bag..

Piece of a whale. Used to get Chloe and Max distracted then to be ambushed my Jefferson.Where are the forklift tire track marks that would have been used to transport that whale to the junk yard? :p
On a serious note, I think there would be a distinct difference in smell between rotting whale and rotting human flesh ;)


lol, i see your point.

What about Jeff´s alibi? maybe there´s a third dude that did all his work?Maybe it was the guy he borrowed the forklift off of? :cool:

AndySond
10th Aug 2015, 20:18
On a serious note, I think there would be a distinct difference in smell between rotting whale and rotting human flesh

:p Like anyone knows how rotten human flesh smell? But whale probably smell more like fish. Have anyone here smelled rotten whale?

LordBattleBeard
10th Aug 2015, 22:53
:p Like anyone knows how rotten human flesh smell? But whale probably smell more like fish. Have anyone here smelled rotten whale?Indeed, there is always a distinct smell to rotting fish. Anybody who has forgotten to clean their fridge out will know what I'm talking about :D

I know someone who lived in a youth hostel and one of the residents killed themselves with an overdose. Nobody noticed for over a week. The other residents complained about the sewerage smell that they presumed was coming from the pipes. So I guess it would smell something along those lines.

AndySond
12th Aug 2015, 20:25
Yeah, if it just was a whale... :(

Sneddonator
13th Aug 2015, 09:16
Human rot smell is very distinct from a rotting whale. No doubt about it.

LordBattleBeard
21st Sep 2015, 13:48
Human rot smell is very distinct from a rotting whale. No doubt about it.Not often one reads that in a discussion :lol:

LordBattleBeard
20th Oct 2015, 04:26
http://i.imgur.com/5DjZGQq.jpg

...just thought I'd leave that here :D

OHWceta
20th Oct 2015, 18:57
I lot of Theories were confirmed in the Finale.....


And many of them debunked as well.

julietxjules
22nd Oct 2015, 07:24
http://i.imgur.com/5DjZGQq.jpg

...just thought I'd leave that here :D

That's a home run for you!

StrangerThanFiction
22nd Oct 2015, 13:23
http://i.imgur.com/5DjZGQq.jpg



...just thought I'd leave that here :D

Now do your "I was right" dance. :)

julietxjules
22nd Oct 2015, 13:30
Now do your "I was right" dance. :)

Nah! . . . he would look too silly doing that and be totally embarrassed in the process.

I just said that out loud. . .didn't I. :eek:

LordBattleBeard
1st Jun 2016, 18:17
Now do your "I was right" dance. :)



Nah! . . . he would look too silly doing that and be totally embarrassed in the process.

I just said that out loud. . .didn't I. :eek:

Me? embarrassed?

http://i.imgur.com/ZAbRWAg.gif