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Xeva-q
3rd Aug 2015, 01:50
There was plenty of inconsistencies in previous episodes of ""Life is strange" and episode 4 of course is no different. So, let us begin.

-Alternate Chloe and Max was walking on the shore, having their bitter-sweat conversation, and looking on the golden sunset... near the bunch of DEAD WHALES. It must be terrible stench there! "Oh, that golden hour... that smell of rotting fish"...

-The fact that Chloe asked Maxine to kill her pretty much means that Maxine would go to prison for murder. And Chloe wasn't care. Like, at all.
It can't be count as inconsistency though. She always was a selfish <censored>.

-After failing of her attempt to save William Maxine decided not only turn everything back but even destroy the photo. Why do not try again? Why at the very least keep the photo to try again latter? True, the first time was a failure. But Maxine clearly have not any single reason to think that task is impossible. "I never liked William anyway... He can go and <censored> himself" or something like that?
But, it can't be count as inconsistency as well. It suits Maxine character perfectly.

-Code panel to the vault was rubbed enough to guess the code, but..why? That effect can be achieved only if tens of people use code panel every day... But in our case have three people at the most that hardly visit this bunker than once at the week. So, we must conclude that is impossible for panel to be in this state.

-Owners of the bunker went through so much trouble to be sure that no one can enter that bunker without their approval, and yet, they do not give a damn about rubbed code panel.

-Nathan have to write down code 3-digit code to the bunker (that was used very often). He have not only rage problems but also rather bad memory.

-What on Rachel's photos made Chloe think that Rachel is dead? They not that different from Kate's photos!

-Even if we assume that she looks like she is dead on the photos and we simply can not see it because of game artistic design, why Chloe and Maxine decided that Rachel was buried on exact same spot where photo was made? Clearly, burying a corpse and making a photo is very different tasks. It is only natural if they made in different locations. There is absolutely no cause-effect relation. Assumption that Rachel's body was buried on the same place with location that pictured on photo - is nothing more than baseless, stupid wild guess.

-And yet, baseless, stupid wild guess turn out to be true. >_>

-Maxine and Chloe managed to disentomb Rachel's body by their BARE HANDS (!)

-A depth of Rachel's improvised grave was small enough for Chloe and Maxine to digg her up with their bare hands. That makes near impossible the fact that wild animal was not take some of Rachel's bones for a dinner. If dead body is so close to the surface, a stench of rotting body would be rather strong. The soil can even be flushed out by rain. With passage of time soil would bent.

-No one can tell if that body was Rachel's and yet Chloe is completely sure about it. It is highly unnatural for anyone to believe in death of their loved ones without strong confirmation. You can trust me on this.

-Chloe and Maxine went to junkyard to meet a person who, as they thought, have a gun and already killed someone. But, it can't be count as inconsistency either. Both of them seem pretty stupid to me.

-Why they even bothered if Nathan hide Rachel's body or not? They planned to kill him and not go to the police. If they succeeded on this it would be better for them if Rachel's body would disappear forever.

-How Jefferson managed to come to the junkyard prior to Maxine and Chloe or right after them? He can time travel to?

If you think that i make a mistake and some of those inconsistencies can be solved - fell free to share.

If found more inconsistencies - fell free to share on double)

UPDATE:

-If Chloe would kill Frank she would never ask Maxine to rewind or even ask Maxine why she wouldn't rewind. Despise her ostentatious remorse she seems to be actually completely okay with Frank's death.

-And about Frank. To get Frank's keys in episode three we should take the keys and then rewind. After that Maxine would still have Frank's keys. This occasion could even be mentioned in conversation with Frank in episode four. And yet if we kill Frank and take his note, the note would magicly disappear if we try to rewind. This inconsistency pretty much destroys workings of the world of "Life is strange" and i see no way around it.

-For Chloe and Maxine was unbelievably stupid NOT to watch Kate's viral video. I do not care how unpleasant it might be, they in a middle of investigation and this video - it is one of the most important clues so far.

UPDATE2:

- Nathan have to move his sofa every time when he needs to write a sms?

- As we all know Nathan wanted so badly to hide his phone. And yet, he kept it together with a PUK code for it.

- Frank moved his trailer to the beach. He, too, enjoys the smell of a rotten fish.

- Prescott's bunker contains a lot of food. But have no toilet of any sort or bed.

PHub07
3rd Aug 2015, 07:02
Not sure if its an inconsistency or I missed something. But David lost his job in my game and I either looked away at a wrong moment and somehow missed it but I dont recall that at all. Reading the emails that detail this made it feel like an oversight for people who chose to get David the blame at the end of ep2 as it wasnt really mentioning WHY he got suspended. I like most people blamed Nathan....so im not entirely sure why David would lose his job.

Max also when talking to Frank....will claim to have tried to shoot him even if you didn't.

RaulRoque
3rd Aug 2015, 08:03
Not sure if its an inconsistency or I missed something. But David lost his job in my game and I either looked away at a wrong moment and somehow missed it but I dont recall that at all. Reading the emails that detail this made it feel like an oversight for people who chose to get David the blame at the end of ep2 as it wasnt really mentioning WHY he got suspended. I like most people blamed Nathan....so im not entirely sure why David would lose his job.

Max also when talking to Frank....will claim to have tried to shoot him even if you didn't.

I blamed Jeff without knowing who he is! I was just scared of the other two that I had confronted before, so to blame Jeff was the "secure" option.

About inconsistences, there are a couple of ones, yes. But it's a fun game, nonetheless.

Tataboj
3rd Aug 2015, 08:28
Max also when talking to Frank....will claim to have tried to shoot him even if you didn't.

You pointed a gun at him but you didn't pull the trigger.

Xeva-q
3rd Aug 2015, 08:40
But it's a fun game, nonetheless.

Why, of course it is. I can even say that it is <censored> hilarious.:D

LordBattleBeard
3rd Aug 2015, 11:37
-Alternate Chloe and Max was walking on the shore, having their bitter-sweat conversation, and looking on the golden sunset... near the bunch of DEAD WHALES. It must be terrible stench there! "Oh, that golden hour... that smell of rotting fish"...
Made me laugh. I didn't even think of that. But umm maybe they had only recently came to shore?

-The fact that Chloe asked Maxine to kill her pretty much means that Maxine would go to prison for murder. And Chloe wasn't care. Like, at all.
It can't be count as inconsistency though. She always was a selfish <censored>.
Not necessarily. With the right defence she could get the lesser charge of manslaughter :lol:
Besides, the timeline was being erased. I like how it posed a real world dilemma but in a "without consequence" sort of way.
I refused her request at first, not because of the legal or moral ramifications but because I didn't accept her reasoning. It seemed she wanted to die more for the reason of what it was doing to her parents and being a burden on them than because she was genuinely unhappy about her paralysis. But when I figured the timeline was ending afterwards, it seemed prudent to accept her request, so as to not have Chloe rot in a possible alt reality.

-After failing of her attempt to save William Maxine decided not only turn everything back but even destroy the photo. Why do not try again? Why at the very least keep the photo to try again latter? True, the first time was a failure. But Maxine clearly have not any single reason to think that task is impossible. "I never liked William anyway... He can go and <censored> himself" or something like that?
But, it can't be count as inconsistency as well. It suits Maxine character perfectly.
I was happy that she destroyed it. The outcome was always going to be the same and I think destroying it was Max's way of symbolising that she had learned a lesson from it. If she had kept it, she'd always have nagging doubts over what might or could be if she just did something a little different. She would always be looking backwards.

-Code panel to the vault was rubbed enough to guess the code, but..why? That effect can be achieved only if tens of people use code panel every day... But in our case have three people at the most that hardly visit this bunker than once at the week. So, we must conclude that is impossible for panel to be in this state.
It wouldn't make sense but it's by design to help with game difficulty. I figured out the code but seems some people had more trouble and needed alternative routes.

-Nathan have to write down code 3-digit code to the bunker (that was used very often). He have not only rage problems but also rather bad memory.
He was on some pretty heavy medication. Can short-term memory loss count be a side affect? ;)

-Even if we assume that she looks like she is dead on the photos and we simply can not see it because of game artistic design, why Chloe and Maxine decided that Rachel was buried on exact same spot where photo was made? Clearly, burying a corpse and making a photo is very different tasks. It is only natural if they made in different locations. There is absolutely no cause-effect relation. Assumption that Rachel's body was buried on the same place with location that pictured on photo - is nothing more than baseless, stupid wild guess.
Although I think she is dead, I think they could have done a better job in making that clear with the picture.
As for how Chloe figured out where Rachel was buried. This was hers and Rachels hangout and where they spent a lot of time so its fair to assume she knew the ins and outs of it. The picture contained part of a distinctive sign so I figure this is how she knew where to look.

-Maxine and Chloe managed to disentomb Rachel's body by their BARE HANDS (!)
Proper burials have guidelines to follow like how deep in the ground the body has to be buried. This was a murder and disposal. Neither Nathan or Jefferson wanted to get their hands dirty and only dug a shallow hole enough to conceal?

-A depth of Rachel's improvised grave was small enough for Chloe and Maxine to digg her up with their bare hands. That makes near impossible the fact that wild animal was not take some of Rachel's bones for a dinner. If dead body is so close to the surface, a stench of rotting body would be rather strong. The soil can even be flushed out by rain. With passage of time soil would bent.
True. An oversight or Rachel was only killed a few days prior.

-No one can tell if that body was Rachel's and yet Chloe is completely sure about it. It is highly unnatural for anyone to believe in death of their loved ones without strong confirmation. You can trust me on this.
Given that the picture of a dead looking Rachel was taken in the same exact spot, its not much of a jump for Chloe to reach this conclusion. But since we never really saw for ourselves or anything more conclusive was said, it does however leave room for a plot change.

-Chloe and Maxine went to junkyard to meet a person who, as they thought, have a gun and already killed someone. But, it can't be count as inconsistency either. Both of them seem pretty stupid to me.
It's definitely in Chloes character to do something this irrational and stupid, but I was disappointed with Max at this stage.

-Why they even bothered if Nathan hide Rachel's body or not? They planned to kill him and not go to the police. If they succeeded on this it would be better for them if Rachel's body would disappear forever.
I don't think Chloe would want to leave her friend without a proper or dignified burial, less so never knowing her final resting place. By this stage, Chloe wasn't thinking rationally and was clearly consumed with rage. Max had less of an excuse and just made her character come across as naive.

-How Jefferson managed to come to the junkyard prior to Maxine and Chloe or right after them? He can time travel to?
They waited for the results of the every day hero contest before leaving. I believe Jefferson sent the text not knowing precisely what they knew but as a way to bate them into action, so as to follow them and find out. Jefferson appeared behind Max.

Xeva-q
3rd Aug 2015, 12:35
Made me laugh. I didn't even think of that. But umm maybe they had only recently came to shore?
Half a day would be more than enough.

Besides, the timeline was being erased.
But Chloe had no way to know that. And that means she was okay with Max going to prison, or, at the very least do not give a damn what consequences it might have to her.

But as i say, this is not an inconsistency at all. It is not out of character for Chloe. She always was like that - when she put the blame for her joint on Maxine, for example. And, with all honesty, for real i think that that kind of person deserve nothing else than scorn and disgust.

The outcome was always going to be the same
Why? No, really, WHY?? There wasn't a single clue to make that conclusion. Not a single one. You have to try at least twice to form a pattern. And without any solid reason (or any reason) to think that that unfortunate outcome was inevitable we can drive only to one conclusion - Maxine just gave up.

Or, if you think that i did overlook that reason, please, point it out to me.

It wouldn't make sense but it's by design to help with game difficulty.
Well, i think you right about that. But it looks soooooo stupid, i just can't stand it!..

He was on some pretty heavy medication. Can short-term memory loss count be a side affect?
Why, of course it can.:)

As for how Chloe figured out where Rachel was buried. This was hers and Rachels hangout and where they spent a lot of time so its fair to assume she knew the ins and outs of it. The picture contained part of a distinctive sign so I figure this is how she knew where to look.
Well, of course she easily could recognise the place, but it not what i meant. The very assumption that body was buried on exact same spot as it placed on the photo is highly unlikely. Why someone would think that?

Proper burials have guidelines to follow like how deep in the ground the body has to be buried. This was a murder and disposal. Neither Nathan or Jefferson wanted to get their hands dirty and only dug a shallow hole enough to conceal?
Yes. it is pretty much can be but it wasn't my point. It almost impossible to dig a hole in raw ground even as big as Maxine and Chloe was managed to dug. And specially on a junk yard. One's hand would be highly damaged after that.

And i found some more inconsistencies . So more to come! ^__^

PHub07
3rd Aug 2015, 16:45
You pointed a gun at him but you didn't pull the trigger.

she claims to have pulled it

meimeiriver
3rd Aug 2015, 17:41
-After failing of her attempt to save William Maxine decided not only turn everything back but even destroy the photo. Why do not try again? Why at the very least keep the photo to try again latter? True, the first time was a failure. But Maxine clearly have not any single reason to think that task is impossible. "I never liked William anyway... He can go and <censored> himself" or something like that?

Because retrying would have been insane. :) No, seriously. Max may not be an Einstein, but I'm pretty sure she heard of his saying:

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Xeva-q
3rd Aug 2015, 18:18
Because retrying would have been insane. :)
WHY? Can anyone give me a straight answer?

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
And what makes you think i suggesting her to do exactly a same thing?

meimeiriver
3rd Aug 2015, 18:28
And what makes you think i suggesting her to do exactly a same thing?

Different methods, per chance, but essentially trying to accomplish the same thing: trying to save Wlliam. Max understood, the first time around, that attempting so would be futile.

Xeva-q
3rd Aug 2015, 18:36
Max understood, the first time around, that attempting so would be futile.
WHY?

If you do not have this reason, you do not have the case.

meimeiriver
3rd Aug 2015, 18:51
WHY?

If you do not have this reason, you do not have the case.

For starters, it's pretty common theme in time-travel stories that 'fated' events will always happen, one way or the other. So, if the universe has a horrible accident on the agenda, someone *will* suffer: if not Chloe's father, then Chloe herself. Max realized that.


Also, I suggest you watch Star Trek Voyager's double-episode, 'The Year of Hell.' It explains very well how there are simply waay too many permutations (the butterfly effect) to try and correct something the way Max tried: removing element X of history from the equation in hopes of result Y. It simply can't be done: remove one element here, and you'll inevitably have not taking something else vital into account.


Mind you, performing 'reconstructive surgery' on time, the way Max tried, is an order of magnitude more complex than doing a just quick rewind when you said or did the wrong thing.

Xeva-q
3rd Aug 2015, 19:12
For starters, it's pretty common theme in time-travel stories that 'fated' events will always happen, one way or the other.

No! You can't say that! For example, there is a game called "Ghost trick". Main theme of the game - time travel. With main message: the fate can be defeated. What exactly can it say about "Life is strange"? Well, what a shocker - NOTHING.

You can't prove something about "life is strange" using "Star trek". Simply because i can prove the exact opposite using "Ghost trick".

Max realized that.
Exactly how? Without Star Trek? Pretty please?

If you do not have this answer, you do not have the case.

meimeiriver
3rd Aug 2015, 19:16
If you do not have this answer, you do not have the case.

Oh, I have a hella good case. What I don't have, however, is the will to accommodate you endlessly. :)

Xeva-q
3rd Aug 2015, 19:21
Oh, I have a hella good case. What I don't have, however, is the will to accommodate you endlessly. :)

Suits perfectly for me, you know.:)

StrangerThanFiction
3rd Aug 2015, 19:21
No! You can't say that! For example, there is a game called "Ghost trick". Main theme of the game - time travel. With main message: the fate can be defeated. What exactly can it say about "Life is strange". Well, what a shocker - NOTHING.

You can't prove something about "life is strange" using "Star trek". Simply because i can prove the exact opposite using "Ghost trick".

Exactly how? Without Star Trek? Pretty please?

If you do not have this answer, you do not have the case.

One of the underlying themes of Life is Strange is that every action has a consequence (whether it be good or bad).

For example, we don't know exactly WHAT would happen if Max tried to save William's life again. Something good could've came out of it, or something terrible. We cannot know exactly all of the possibilities that one action (saving William's life) could cause for the future. Max already saw one timeline in which she saved William and it ended up being one of the worst alternatives. That probably was enough for her to not try again.

You can argue that she could keep trying until she found one that was either desirable or at least one that is more desirable than any of the other alternatives. Plus, Max has already shown that the more she uses her power; the more it takes a toll on her.

Simply, we all don't think like Max. We all have different opinions on what Max should've done. Let's all agree to disagree okay?

LordBattleBeard
3rd Aug 2015, 19:32
WHY? Can anyone give me a straight answer?

And what makes you think i suggesting her to do exactly a same thing?To use the same photo would cause the same events to unfold because Max has no control over the events that happen once she alters Williams fate. At this point, she is brought back into the present day, and only then are the consequences clear. She can't stay until Chloes 16th birthday to stop her from getting in the car because she has already altered the timeline with William prior to that. What is the alternative action which Max can take that stops William from getting in the car but prevents him giving Chloe a car for her birthday?

UveProblematique
3rd Aug 2015, 19:35
She could end up in a timeline with worse consequences and without the possibility of coming back (the photo could be lost or destroyed in that timeline)

meimeiriver
3rd Aug 2015, 19:36
One of the underlying themes of Life is Strange is that every action has a consequence (whether it be good or bad).

For example, we don't know exactly WHAT would happen if Max tried to save William's life again. Something good could've came out of it, or something terrible. We cannot know exactly all of the possibilities that one action (saving William's life) could cause for the future. Max already saw one timeline in which she saved William and it ended up being one of the worst alternatives. That probably was enough for her to not try again.

And that was exactly my point with 'The Year of Hell' example: that trying to perform 'reconstructive surgery' on time is of an entirely different order of magnitude than just doing a smal rewind; and that such an attempt is, basically, mathemathically undoable, considering the amount of variables, and the almost infinite amount of resulting permutations that such an attempt would yield.

Plus, like you say, Max does not have an 'endless' reservoir of tries at her disposal. She tried *once*, and then simply realized the futility of such an endeavour, and decided a different approach was needed.

ByouRei
3rd Aug 2015, 19:41
an she realize that power have limitation. nose bleeding. its blood presure or worse. and she observe it serious. not like Chloe.

meimeiriver
3rd Aug 2015, 19:41
She could end up in a timeline with worse consequences and without the possibility of coming back (the photo could be lost or destroyed in that timeline)

Good point! :) Max even mentioned to Chloe (Ep. 1) that she must be careful not to wind up getting stuck in time.

Xeva-q
3rd Aug 2015, 21:17
What is the alternative action which Max can take that stops William from getting in the car but prevents him giving Chloe a car for her birthday?

Prior she managed to convince Chloe that she can do some time travel. Why not to try to do exactly same thing one more time? She could simply predict some events that would occur in Chloe and William future and give them a warning about crashed car. And that would be enough. Why not to try?

Good point! Max even mentioned to Chloe (Ep. 1) that she must be careful not to wind up getting stuck in time.
So, you should save someone's life only if it's completely safe? That's weak.

And yet again, she could do some preparations for avoiding situation like that.

That probably was enough for her to not try again.
And i completely agree with that. It only brings very sad conclusion about her personality.

And that was exactly my point with 'The Year of Hell' example
And could you remember the very last episode of "Star Trek Voyager" named "Endgame"? Where Admiral Janeway devises a plan to alter history, when she travelled through time, and actually succeeded? Where she managed to change time exactly how she wanted?

And, for example, the "Timeless" episode?

See, the very same show, saying exactly my point.

StrangerThanFiction
3rd Aug 2015, 23:35
Prior she managed to convince Chloe that she can do some time travel. Why not to try to do exactly same thing one more time? She could simply predict some events that would occur in Chloe and William future and give them a warning about crashed car. And that would be enough. Why not try it?

That could work. Or they could freak out and turn her into some science lab. Worse case senario is that she completely changes the course of the future, and some consequences could be worse than the original.

You can really argue both sides for this. And you guys have great points. However, it all depends on the narrative that the developers want to create. They seem to follow the cliche about fated events. Either way, something like this can generate good discussion and debate. No one's wrong in this case. It's opinion based on fictional events in a fictional universe. Probably what Dontod wanted to do in the first place. Isn't it great how a video game about time traveling generate such great debate topics?

aleja97
3rd Aug 2015, 23:38
-After failing of her attempt to save William Maxine decided not only turn everything back but even destroy the photo. Why do not try again? Why at the very least keep the photo to try again latter? True, the first time was a failure. But Maxine clearly have not any single reason to think that task is impossible. "I never liked William anyway... He can go and <censored> himself" or something like that?
But, it can't be count as inconsistency as well. It suits Maxine character perfectly.


Try again later? For all she knew, it wouldn't be possible to come back the next time. For all she knew she could end up changing the timeline and get herself killed. She learned that the outcome was and will always be something completely out of her hands, she felt the overwhelming realization. Not everything has to be said to be understood. This is one of these things.



-No one can tell if that body was Rachel's and yet Chloe is completely sure about it. It is highly unnatural for anyone to believe in death of their loved ones without strong confirmation. You can trust me on this.


I say it was censored. If Rachel isn't actually that body, then I'm wrong.



-Chloe and Maxine went to junkyard to meet a person who, as they thought, have a gun and already killed someone. But, it can't be count as inconsistency either. Both of them seem pretty stupid to me.


Em, and what would be your great plan? They were already in danger, and the police could be against them (something I wouldn't be eager to find out in their position, they would be risking a lot). Not only that but, their enemy clearly knew who they were, and where to find them, even if they didn't go to the junkyard. Besides, Chloe was shaken, rightfully so, and with a gun, how do you expect Max to stop her? The best she can do is go with her so she can be by her side the moment something happens.



-Why they even bothered if Nathan hide Rachel's body or not? They planned to kill him and not go to the police. If they succeeded on this it would be better for them if Rachel's body would disappear forever.


Eh, yes, why would Chloe care about Rachel's body?
Planned to kill him? No way Max would want that, she needed to do something but she most likely didn't know what. Just what the moment required of her. And try to do her best in doing the right choices. As for why she decided to go with Chloe to "kill him", it's completely obvious. To avoid it, and everything wrong that might happen.

RaulRoque
3rd Aug 2015, 23:45
That could work. Or they could freak out and turn her into some science lab. Worse case senario is that she completely changes the course of the future, and some consequences could be worse than the original.

You can really argue both sides for this. And you guys have great points. However, it all depends on the narrative that the developers want to create. They seem to follow the cliche about fated events. Either way, something like this can generate good discussion and debate. No one's wrong in this case. It's opinion based on fictional events in a fictional universe. Probably what Dontod wanted to do in the first place. Isn't it great how a video game about time traveling generate such great debate topics?

To be honest, if we want to interpret Max powers seriously, if you return to the past, the future will not necessarily be the same you were previously. There's a great chance of things to be severely different and, among these, not have a car crash are all. So Max would never replicate the same future she was before - there's a minimal chance. Time is not linear and this is complex.

StrangerThanFiction
4th Aug 2015, 03:53
To be honest, if we want to interpret Max powers seriously, if you return to the past, the future will not necessarily be the same you were previously. There's a great chance of things to be severely different and, among these, not have a car crash are all. So Max would never replicate the same future she was before - there's a minimal chance. Time is not linear and this is complex.

I don't envy Max at this point. Seems like a lot of pressure and responsibility that comes with the rewind power.

Xeva-q
4th Aug 2015, 09:57
For all she knew, it wouldn't be possible to come back the next time.
Em. No.

There was absolutely no reason for her to think so.

Em, and what would be your great plan?

If you really going to say that plan where one of them was killed and other was captured was actually fine - please, count me out.

Eh, yes, why would Chloe care about Rachel's body?
She cared sooo much that she left it where it was and even threw some earth on it.:)

As for why she decided to go with Chloe to "kill him", it's completely obvious. To avoid it, and everything wrong that might happen.
Really? And when, pry tell, she was planning to start talking Chloe out of it? They were both wandering around the junk yard in search for Nathan, with Chloe had her gun ready, saying "come on, come on Nathan needs to die now". And Maxine had no complains whatsoever about it.

Xeva-q
5th Aug 2015, 21:10
First post in this topic has been updated. Some new, fresh inconsistencies just for you!:D

UveProblematique
5th Aug 2015, 21:51
-And about Frank. To get Frank's keys in episode three we should take the keys and then rewind. After that Maxine would still have Frank's keys. This occasion could even be mentioned in conversation with Frank in episode four. And yet if we kill Frank and take his note, the note would magicly disappear if we try to rewind. This inconsistency pretty much destroys workings of the world of "Life is strange" and i see no way around it.


This is the main complain I have about this game.

Xeva-q
5th Aug 2015, 22:20
This is the main complain I have about this game.

What makes it even more sad, they could eliminate this easily by adding certain option in the list of final choices: "You have not talked with Frank".

Sneddonator
5th Aug 2015, 23:49
What makes it even more sad, they could eliminate this easily by adding certain option in the list of final choices: "You have not talked with Frank".

This stuff is good for the developers to read so they can figure ways around it in future. Im sure it was really hard figuring out how to make the rewind really plausible but mistakes were going to be made.

I had similar frustrations like not being able to rewind time in the bunker so that everything was put back away.

StrangerThanFiction
6th Aug 2015, 04:23
UPDATE:

-If Chloe would kill Frank she would never ask Maxine to rewind or even ask Maxine why she wouldn't rewind. Despise her ostentatious remorse she seems to be actually completely okay with Frank's death.

Chloe is not okay with Frank's death. She even tells Max while they're putting the clues together that she's going to turn herself into the police after it's all over.

Chloe not asking for Max to rewind? You did see how distress she was, right? She probably thought it in her head to ask, but wasn't sure how to say it out loud. It is as much fault on Max's part as it is on Chloe's for Frank's death. [Plus, we don't know what is to come in episode 5. If we somehow save Chloe, she might have several questions as to why Max didn't rewind.]



-And about Frank. To get Frank's keys in episode three we should take the keys and then rewind. After that Maxine would still have Frank's keys. This occasion could even be mentioned in conversation with Frank in episode four. And yet if we kill Frank and take his note, the note would magicly disappear if we try to rewind. This inconsistency pretty much destroys workings of the world of "Life is strange" and i see no way around it.

Could be forced? I have noticed that some things in LiS are forced [not sure why they couldn't let us rewind and keep the note. Makes more sense, but they probably were just like 'Nah, too easy....we have to make them feel all the feels.']



-For Chloe and Maxine was unbelievably stupid NOT to watch Kate's viral video. I do not care how unpleasant it might be, they in a middle of investigation and this video - it is one of the most important clues so far.

At THAT point in the investigation, the video was already taken down. (There is a video on Nathan's computer, but Max is still repulsed by the idea of it. Plus after seeing all the other creepy stuff he had in his room; she was ready to get the phone and get out. So was I). It's sad that the only thing we know about it was a drugged Kate Marsh "setting a tongue record on video". However, if that was all, then the only thing we could be able to use it for is proof that she WAS drug (and we could also easily use the photo in Victoria's room as well.)

Xeva-q
6th Aug 2015, 11:56
Chloe is not okay with Frank's death. She even tells Max while they're putting the clues together that she's going to turn herself into the police after it's all over.
Why, is it not even a special word for it? A hypocrite.

You did see how distress she was, right?
But when she shooted herself on a junkyard she asked Maxine to rewind right away.:) Bullet in a chest was not enough distress for her, apparently.

Do not you really see how it looks? When she was wounded she cryed for rewind. But when she wounded someone else she just forgot about it. Do you really have to justify everything?

Could be forced? I have noticed that some things in LiS are forced [not sure why they couldn't let us rewind and keep the note. Makes more sense, but they probably were just like 'Nah, too easy....we have to make them feel all the feels.']
Simply put: a lazy writing.

At THAT point in the investigation, the video was already taken down. (There is a video on Nathan's computer, but Max is still repulsed by the idea of it. Plus after seeing all the other creepy stuff he had in his room; she was ready to get the phone and get out. So was I)
Oh, it is getting easier. Video in Nathan's room was opened in a web browser.

However, if that was all, then the only thing we could be able to use it for is proof that she WAS drug (and we could also easily use the photo in Victoria's room as well.)
Yes, we do not know. And we'll never know because two main characters in this game is so stupid. But what i know as a fact that when you investigating someone's kidnapping, a video of a victim, made right before the act could not to be not important. And so, i see no reason for them not to watch this video, besides pure distilled stupidity.

lancelot2
8th Aug 2015, 19:07
To me many interactions and character decisions in Ep 4 seemed very unconvincing. The fact that the decision to kill Chloe is made after giving it ten seconds of thought. Shouldn't a moral choice like that be taken a little more seriously? Also, even Max would stop to consider the consequences for herself. At that point supposedly she doesn't know yet she can go back to the original timeline, as that thought occurs to her only when she finds the photo.

Dialog is filled with lines like 'You're not selfish!' It may be okay once but even Max shouldn't go around saying things like that all the time.

The encounter with Frank. He is wounded, then Max says they need the codes. Max is neither threatening him nor particularly worried about his condition, she just sounds apologetic. And Frank sounds indifferent, as if saying, if you want them so much, well, fine.

The final scene. Going to the grave a second time. Okay, life is strange. But how does the criminal know they're not going to the bunker first, maybe the message was referring to the evidence in the bunker?

I'm not saying all that is impossible, just implausible and ruining any suspension of disbelief.

Tataboj
9th Aug 2015, 06:52
To me many interactions and character decisions in Ep 4 seemed very unconvincing. The fact that the decision to kill Chloe is made after giving it ten seconds of thought. Shouldn't a moral choice like that be taken a little more seriously? Also, even Max would stop to consider the consequences for herself. At that point supposedly she doesn't know yet she can go back to the original timeline, as that thought occurs to her only when she finds the photo.

Dialog is filled with lines like 'You're not selfish!' It may be okay once but even Max shouldn't go around saying things like that all the time.

The encounter with Frank. He is wounded, then Max says they need the codes. Max is neither threatening him nor particularly worried about his condition, she just sounds apologetic. And Frank sounds indifferent, as if saying, if you want them so much, well, fine.

The final scene. Going to the grave a second time. Okay, life is strange. But how does the criminal know they're not going to the bunker first, maybe the message was referring to the evidence in the bunker?

I'm not saying all that is impossible, just implausible and ruining any suspension of disbelief.

Sorry for not separating quotes, it's really difficult on a phone.

1. Well, that depends on you how long you're going to stay in the decision screen. ;)
2. Why? If you imagine this situation, it seems realistic to me.
3. What? In my walkthrough, Chloe was threatening Frank. And even if she didn't, Frank said something like: "Okay. Now get out of my life forever."
4. W. And what evidence is in bunker? Practically none. It doesn't prove anything.

lancelot2
9th Aug 2015, 15:12
1. Well, that depends on you how long you're going to stay in the decision screen. ;)

Good one, but the point is that there is no real build-up to it and no serious consideration given to that choice within the game. Completely incongruous to the importance of the choice.


3. What? In my walkthrough, Chloe was threatening Frank. And even if she didn't, Frank said something like: "Okay. Now get out of my life forever."

No, it's Max who says 'We just want the code for your account book', I checked. But my point really was that the emoting seemed wrong to me, both from her and from Frank. Same as with corny dialog lines, that's subject to opinion, sure.

With both 1) and 3), it seems to me that this episode became too much of just a bunch of separate scenes, with too little build-up. Here we do killing Chloe. Here we do Warren beating Nathan. Then we move on and do yet another scene where someone points a gun at someone, for the tenth time.


4. W. And what evidence is in bunker? Practically none. It doesn't prove anything.

Actually because of the annoying habit of Life Is Strange to comment on the in-game texts that we haven't had a chance to read yet, I missed something here. The message that Chloe receives reads 'glad you got one last look at rachel nobody will ever find her again after im done'. On her phone we can see that it's a message from Nathan. But that's doubly absurd, sending such an incriminating message from his phone. Is he being framed?

There are too many assumptions going on here. First the criminal knows that it was Chloe who broke into the bunker. Then he knows that she discovered the grave site (that one step I suppose is plausible). Then he knows she'll run straight to the site, even though she knows it's a trap (as setting a trap is the only rational reason to send the message, whether it's really Nathan sending it or not). Also he knows she'll not bring the authorities. Also he knows she'll not try to do anything with the photo and video evidence in the bunker. Really?

Xeva-q
9th Aug 2015, 15:36
Also he knows she'll not try to do anything with the photo and video evidence in the bunker. Really?
He can time-travel. :D

Tataboj
9th Aug 2015, 15:41
Good one, but the point is that there is no real build-up to it and no serious consideration given to that choice within the game. Completely incongruous to the importance of the choice.



No, it's Max who says 'We just want the code for your account book', I checked. But my point really was that the emoting seemed wrong to me, both from her and from Frank. Same as with corny dialog lines, that's subject to opinion, sure.

With both 1) and 3), it seems to me that this episode became too much of just a bunch of separate scenes, with too little build-up. Here we do killing Chloe. Here we do Warren beating Nathan. Then we move on and do yet another scene where someone points a gun at someone, for the tenth time.



Actually because of the annoying habit of Life Is Strange to comment on the in-game texts that we haven't had a chance to read yet, I missed something here. The message that Chloe receives reads 'glad you got one last look at rachel nobody will ever find her again after im done'. On her phone we can see that it's a message from Nathan. But that's doubly absurd, sending such an incriminating message from his phone. Is he being framed?

There are too many assumptions going on here. First the criminal knows that it was Chloe who broke into the bunker. Then he knows that she discovered the grave site (that one step I suppose is plausible). Then he knows she'll run straight to the site, even though she knows it's a trap (as setting a trap is the only rational reason to send the message, whether it's really Nathan sending it or not). Also he knows she'll not bring the authorities. Also he knows she'll not try to do anything with the photo and video evidence in the bunker. Really?

Max said: "Just give us the codes." Chloe pointed gun at Frank: "Now!" Frank said: "Okay, here it is. Now get out of my life."

Bunch of separate scenes? LiS doesn't have scheme of a movie but a serial, and serials (and life) work like that since they don't have just one plot.

I think they don't know Max and Chloe were in the Dark Room. In fact, I think that Jefferson found out Max or Chloe were trying to find Nathan and put two and two together.

Rehjul
10th Aug 2015, 01:53
Good one, but the point is that there is no real build-up to it and no serious consideration given to that choice within the game. Completely incongruous to the importance of the choice.



No, it's Max who says 'We just want the code for your account book', I checked. But my point really was that the emoting seemed wrong to me, both from her and from Frank. Same as with corny dialog lines, that's subject to opinion, sure.

With both 1) and 3), it seems to me that this episode became too much of just a bunch of separate scenes, with too little build-up. Here we do killing Chloe. Here we do Warren beating Nathan. Then we move on and do yet another scene where someone points a gun at someone, for the tenth time.



Actually because of the annoying habit of Life Is Strange to comment on the in-game texts that we haven't had a chance to read yet, I missed something here. The message that Chloe receives reads 'glad you got one last look at rachel nobody will ever find her again after im done'. On her phone we can see that it's a message from Nathan. But that's doubly absurd, sending such an incriminating message from his phone. Is he being framed?

There are too many assumptions going on here. First the criminal knows that it was Chloe who broke into the bunker. Then he knows that she discovered the grave site (that one step I suppose is plausible). Then he knows she'll run straight to the site, even though she knows it's a trap (as setting a trap is the only rational reason to send the message, whether it's really Nathan sending it or not). Also he knows she'll not bring the authorities. Also he knows she'll not try to do anything with the photo and video evidence in the bunker. Really?

I almost feel that this, as the majority of nitpicks levied against this title, stem from a lack of general understanding - rather than digging a bit deeper, it's much easier to just blame the game's writers for having been too subtle. In response to your last paragraphs alone, Chloe explicitly reads aloud the text in the scene prior; the player does not need to check the in-game phone. Nathan is clearly being framed, in that instance. As has been pointed out several times before (and what should have been immediately obvious, and alarming), there is a stark contrast between the text delivered and previous texts that have been received from Nathan (these being the messages originating from blocked numbers).
There is nothing in the game implying that the killer knows of Chloe and Max entering the bunker. The grave site is obvious, given that they left it uncovered. Chloe is displayed as the sort of character that would consistently re-engage with a blade-wielding drug dealer that she suspects of having murdered her best friend. If this seems like a logical inconsistency to you, if her willful engaging a highschool brat seems out-of-character to you, you haven't been paying attention. If Chloe did not go to the authorities immediately after discovering the body, it doesn't require a brain-surgeon to assume that she might have her own sense of justice in mind. Again, there is nothing in the game indicating that any other character is aware of the two protagonist's discovering the dark room. This fact is privileged to the player, and it can't be assumed common knowledge.

lancelot2
10th Aug 2015, 08:51
In response to your last paragraphs alone, Chloe explicitly reads aloud the text in the scene prior; the player does not need to check the in-game phone.

No, Chloe just says this: "He says there won't be any evidence left after he's done." So without seeing the actual text it's ambiguous, it may refer to the Dark Room as well.


I think they don't know Max and Chloe were in the Dark Room. In fact, I think that Jefferson found out Max or Chloe were trying to find Nathan and put two and two together.


There is nothing in the game implying that the killer knows of Chloe and Max entering the bunker. The grave site is obvious, given that they left it uncovered. Chloe is displayed as the sort of character that would consistently re-engage with a blade-wielding drug dealer that she suspects of having murdered her best friend. If this seems like a logical inconsistency to you, if her willful engaging a highschool brat seems out-of-character to you, you haven't been paying attention. If Chloe did not go to the authorities immediately after discovering the body, it doesn't require a brain-surgeon to assume that she might have her own sense of justice in mind. Again, there is nothing in the game indicating that any other character is aware of the two protagonist's discovering the dark room. This fact is privileged to the player, and it can't be assumed common knowledge.

I guess we'll have to wait and see whether or not it's properly explained in Episode 5. If the chain starts from the Dark Room, that part makes some amount of sense: the criminal visits the Dark Room (a bit of a coincidence, but okay) -- sees it's clearly been broken into -- sees the binder with Rachel's photos -- realizes the Rachel's grave could have been discovered. But if not, how did he realize the grave had been found? Does he take a stroll by the grave site every evening?

Tataboj
10th Aug 2015, 13:48
Xeva-q: That thing about Max burying the photo - the task is indeed impossible. What can she do? Just to save William or let him die. And he will buy the car no matter what.

Xeva-q
10th Aug 2015, 22:27
Xeva-q: That thing about Max burying the photo - the task is indeed impossible. What can she do? Just to save William or let him die. And he will buy the car no matter what.

[redacted] I already have answered this.

VUylvern
10th Aug 2015, 23:01
I almost feel that this, as the majority of nitpicks levied against this title, stem from a lack of general understanding - rather than digging a bit deeper, it's much easier to just blame the game's writers for having been too subtle. In response to your last paragraphs alone, Chloe explicitly reads aloud the text in the scene prior; the player does not need to check the in-game phone. Nathan is clearly being framed, in that instance. As has been pointed out several times before (and what should have been immediately obvious, and alarming), there is a stark contrast between the text delivered and previous texts that have been received from Nathan (these being the messages originating from blocked numbers).
There is nothing in the game implying that the killer knows of Chloe and Max entering the bunker. The grave site is obvious, given that they left it uncovered. Chloe is displayed as the sort of character that would consistently re-engage with a blade-wielding drug dealer that she suspects of having murdered her best friend. If this seems like a logical inconsistency to you, if her willful engaging a highschool brat seems out-of-character to you, you haven't been paying attention. If Chloe did not go to the authorities immediately after discovering the body, it doesn't require a brain-surgeon to assume that she might have her own sense of justice in mind. Again, there is nothing in the game indicating that any other character is aware of the two protagonist's discovering the dark room. This fact is privileged to the player, and it can't be assumed common knowledge.

Maybe nathan found out about max taking his stuff and went to the bunker to tell Jefferson.

Tataboj
11th Aug 2015, 08:17
Booooring. I already have answered this.

Then you know I am right.

Driber
11th Aug 2015, 08:57
Deleted the last personal post and redacted Xeva-q's post. Let's keep it constructive, everyone :)

Sneddonator
11th Aug 2015, 09:13
Roger that! :D

OHWceta
11th Aug 2015, 17:35
-What on Rachel's photos made Chloe think that Rachel is dead? They not that different from Kate's photos!

-Even if we assume that she looks like she is dead on the photos and we simply can not see it because of game artistic design, why Chloe and Maxine decided that Rachel was buried on exact same spot where photo was made? Clearly, burying a corpse and making a photo is very different tasks. It is only natural if they made in different locations. There is absolutely no cause-effect relation. Assumption that Rachel's body was buried on the same place with location that pictured on photo - is nothing more than baseless, stupid wild guess.




Chloe mentions (but we dont see it) there's a photo of Nathan holding Rachel's body in the hole about to bury her.

"Why is he putting her in the ground like that?"

Alvare
11th Aug 2015, 17:41
Yup. And Chloe recognized the place because Rachel's buried beside the broken signs on the ground.

Xeva-q
11th Aug 2015, 18:33
Then you know I am right.

I know the exact opposite. No one even come close to reasonable explanation. And so, at this point her decision looks like that in my book:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q3BtIaB2Hc

" it's not really failure if you're not even trying". :D

"And don't be bitter just because you're a quitter,
You can even hold up your head up and brag
That's right, you gave up!"

:thumb:

Chloe mentions (but we dont see it) there's a photo of Nathan holding Rachel's body in the hole about to bury her.

"Why is he putting her in the ground like that?"

Nope. Take a look at this.

http://storage1.static.itmages.ru/i/15/0811/h_1439317873_7789415_5d0e211f21.jpg

And after ending of cut-scene, page left unturned. So Chloe and us saw the very same photos.

So, inconsistency is still there.

Tataboj
11th Aug 2015, 18:53
I know the exact opposite. No one even come close to reasonable explanation. And so, at this point her decision looks like that in my book:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q3BtIaB2Hc

" it's not really failure if you're not even trying". :D

"And don't be bitter just because you're a quitter,
You can even hold up your head up and brag
That's right, you gave up!

Then tell me - what possibilities are left? And even if there were (they aren't), Max did that because she had a lesson if she alters things that far in past, she has no control over what will happen.

Xeva-q
11th Aug 2015, 19:13
Then tell me - what possibilities are left? And even if there were (they aren't), Max did that because she had a lesson if she alters things that far in past, she has no control over what will happen.

Prior she managed to convince Chloe that she can do some time travel. Why not to try to do exactly same thing one more time? She could simply predict some events that would occur in Chloe and William future and give them a warning about crashed car. And that would be enough. Why not to try?

And this is not one and only possibility, of course. If you do not like it i can come up with more.

And, for God's sake, she didn't even tried to use another photo. If it would turn out in episode 5 that she can use any photo to travel back in time, this would mean one thing: that task of saving both William and Chloe was not just possible, but pretty easy.

And of course she have no control over it. One has no control over result if they are trying to save drowning person. And, so, <censored> it, let them drown!

Tataboj
11th Aug 2015, 19:48
And this is not one and only possibility, of course.

And, for God's sake, she didn't even tried to use another photo. If it would turn out in episode 5 that she can use any photo to travel back in time, this would mean one thing: that task of saving William and Chloe was not just possible, but pretty easy.

And of course she have no control over it. One has no control over result if they are trying to save drowning person. And, so, <censored> it, let them drown!

No time.
Since then Max won't have the power and probably will forget everything about what she said so it would be pretty confusing. Plus - she just passed through her hardest decisions of her life, you can't expect her to do completely rational things!

Xeva-q
11th Aug 2015, 20:58
No time.
Oh, i am sure she had enough time for that. But okay, how about that:

Learn number of crushed car. Give Chloe information about this car: number, colour and type. Report that this kind of car would be Chloe's present on her 16th birthday. And say that on specific date and specific time she must stay away from it.

Or even just warn her without any explanation about car crash and make Chloe promise that on specific date she must stay away from it. It could work, and it is absolutely safe! In the worst case scenario result just would be the same.


Plus - she just passed through her hardest decisions of her life, you can't expect her to do completely rational things!
It is not like she was in a hurry, she have the all time she needs to think it over, and it is exactly what she needed to do, considering how much is on the stake.

So, did William die just because Maxine is dumb? Well, good explanation!:thumb: Do not know about you, but i totally buy it! :)

Tataboj
12th Aug 2015, 07:40
Oh, i am sure she had enough time for that. But okay, how about that:

Learn number of crushed car. Give Chloe information about this car: number, colour and type. Report that this kind of car would be Chloe's present on her 16th birthday. And say that on specific date and specific time she must stay away from it.

Or even just warn her without any explanation about car crash and make Chloe promise that on specific date she must stay away from it. It could work, and it is absolutely safe! In the worst case scenario result just would be the same.


It is not like she was in a hurry, she have the all time she needs to think it over, and it is exactly what she needed to do, considering how much is on the stake.

So, did William die just because Maxine is dumb? Well, good explanation!:thumb: Do not know about you, but i totally buy it! :)

So it will be like: "Hey Chloe, I got supernatural power but from a minute I won't remember anything. Remember - in ??th ? 201? don't drive your car or you will die." Now let's guess Chloe's reaction.
BTW Max must steal William's car keys too.
And you really think Chloe will remember this 5 long years when Max will keep telling her she never told her that?


Plus I don't think Max would get through that again if Chloe would be again like that.

Xeva-q
12th Aug 2015, 08:16
So it will be like: "Hey Chloe, I got supernatural power but from a minute I won't remember anything. Remember - in ??th ? 201? don't drive your car or you will die." Now let's guess Chloe's reaction.
Who even cares about her reaction?

And you really think Chloe will remember this 5 long years when Max will keep telling her she never told her that?
But of course not! She also really, really dumb and can't remember anything. It was so clear for Maxine so she even not tried.

Plus I don't think Max would get through that again if Chloe would be again like that.
Poor thing. :( Of course, her own mental state had to Maxine much more value than William's life.

BTW Max must steal William's car keys too.
And?..

All of it - is nothing more than sore excuse. And nothing of it comes even close to justify letting William die. Without even trying, without giving it a second thought. If you think that someone's life worth saving only if it safe, easy and fool-proof - fine, think whatever you want. But as for me, i am sick of this way of thinking.

Sneddonator
12th Aug 2015, 08:19
So it will be like: "Hey Chloe, I got supernatural power but from a minute I won't remember anything. Remember - in ??th ? 201? don't drive your car or you will die." Now let's guess Chloe's reaction.
BTW Max must steal William's car keys too.
And you really think Chloe will remember this 5 long years when Max will keep telling her she never told her that?

Plus I don't think Max would get through that again if Chloe would be again like that.

Yeah that whole scenario just wouldnt go well. Chloe would think Max had some sort of personality disorder or was just messing around. She would dismiss the message and forget it and Max herself would have a but of a freakout or perhaps think Chloe was trying to stir her up.

Xeva-q
12th Aug 2015, 08:26
Yeah that whole scenario just wouldnt go well. Chloe would think Max had some sort of personality disorder or was just messing around. She would dismiss the message and forget it and Max herself would have a but of a freakout or perhaps think Chloe was trying to stir her up.

Ha. So much fortune-tellers here.

OHWceta
12th Aug 2015, 16:42
I think Mr. Jefferson was the jerk that cut Chloe off and caused the accident....

Sneddonator
13th Aug 2015, 09:26
I think Mr. Jefferson was the jerk that cut Chloe off and caused the accident....

Imagine that. Interesting thought.

Xeva-q
13th Aug 2015, 14:54
I think Mr. Jefferson was the jerk that cut Chloe off and caused the accident....

Well, it actually kinda makes some sense. There is good chance that Jefferson is absent in alternate time line, and this might be possible reason behind that - he was crippled or imprisoned in that accident.

But it seems nearly impossible a fact like that to have any importance to the plot. After all, alternate time line had been eliminated so it really does not matter, who caused the accident. If it was not Chloe, of course.

Xeva-q
18th Aug 2015, 13:57
Some new, fresh inconsistencies here!

StrangerThanFiction
18th Aug 2015, 20:50
I'm on my phone, so sorry for not quoting.

1. It's more than likely one of the disposables that Jefferson gave him (as when you get the threatening text, it comes from a private number. A number that Nathan wouldn't want out to certain people). And there are marks on the floor, so that's consistent with him having to get it every time. (We don't know if anyone else goes into his dorm. He's gonna want to hide it.)

2. I think we've established that meds have a side effect for memory (he has a stash in his room).

3. He has an RV and can travel to wherever he wants. Also a majority of his deals are made at the beach. Could be his home spot.

4. Uhm...okay. No need for a bed or toliet in a bunker. Not all bomb shelters carry all the essential needs besides food, water, and electricity (maybe blankets and pillows, but not bed sets.). Plus, it's serving a purpose as being The Dark Room.

AndySond
20th Aug 2015, 18:27
I don't know if it's said before, but in the trailer Nathan says the same as it's written on a wall in the junkyard "you're all gonna die".

In the video at 1:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFgtBOGSBSo

Xeva-q
27th Aug 2015, 08:26
And, for those who said that letting William die was right thing to do:

Chloe is still dead. The only way how she can be saved it is by using some photo. And you guys established more that enough reasons, why Maxine absolutely must not do something like that. :)

Tataboj
27th Aug 2015, 08:47
And, for those who said that letting William die was right thing to do:

Chloe is still dead. The only way how she can be saved it is by using some photo. And you guys established more that enough reasons, why Maxine absolutely must not do something like that. :)

It may not be the right thing to do but Max decided to do that. I think you need to accept the fact characters don't behave the way you do.
And it is not a thing she must not do. She can do it and she actually did that. And even if she can make Chloe and William both alive (which we established isn't possible), Max still doesn't remember anything since the photo situation. She is a different person and she remembers things that didn't happen.

Driber
27th Aug 2015, 13:36
Warning - the personal attacks end right here, or we'll lock this thread and hand out infractions for violating our TOU.

Keep it on topic to the game contents, folks. I deleted the last bunch of replies containing personal attacks. Try again, but in a civil manner this time.

Xeva-q
28th Aug 2015, 11:42
Warning - the personal attacks end right here, or we'll lock this thread and hand out infractions for violating our TOU.

Keep it on topic to the game contents, folks. I deleted the last bunch of replies containing personal attacks. Try again, but in a civil manner this time.
:(


It may not be the right thing to do but Max decided to do that.
Which means that she is not very decent person.

I think you need to accept the fact characters don't behave the way you do.
I accepted that fact.l And i'm disgusted by it. I think you need to accept that even someone you like could do something very wrong.

(which we established isn't possible)
No one was able establish anything close to decent proof. We have nothing but excuses. And since we have proof that something like that is indeed possible, and that proof comes from the game itself, if you want to prove otherwise you have to have something much better.

And even if you would have something good... it would be pointless anyway. :)

Tataboj
28th Aug 2015, 12:04
Which means that she is not very decent person.

She is not a superhero with no bad behaviour.


I accepted that fact.l And i'm disgusted by it. I think you need to accept that even someone you like could do something very wrong.

This is a controversial thing so saying this is very wrong isn't objective


No one was able establish anything close to decent proof. We have nothing but excuses. And since we have proof that something like that is indeed possible, and that proof comes from the game itself, if you want to prove otherwise you have to have something much better.

There was a proof presented. If you don't like it, that's your problem.


And even if you would have something good... it would be pointless anyway. :)

Reason?


Who even cares about her reaction?
But of course not! She also really, really dumb and can't remember anything. It was so clear for Maxine so she even not tried.

Her reaction is crucial for the outcome. If she won't believe Max, it will not matter. And also if she won't believe her, she won't remember it. And try to remember everything your friend told you. It's impossible.

Xeva-q
28th Aug 2015, 12:50
There was a proof presented. If you don't like it, that's your problem.
Nope. If game clearly states otherwise, your so-called proof means nothing.

Reason?
If Maxine could use any photo to travel back in time, saving William was not only possible, but actually pretty easy.

Her reaction is crucial for the outcome.
Not her reaction, but their remembering.

And try to remember everything your friend told you. It's impossible.
When did your friends say to you that you will die on specific date? Do you really just dismiss something like that?

That is just how human memory works. If something unusual happened, it sticks in one's brain for a very long time.

I do not understand what your claim is anymore.

Is what Maxine was done was wrong, but excusable? Or it was right thing to do? Or it was the only option? You can't choose all three options at once, you know.

Tataboj
28th Aug 2015, 13:46
Nope. If game clearly states otherwise, your so-called proof means nothing.
Excuse me but what did the game say?


If Maxine could use any photo to travel back in time, saving William was not only possible, but actually pretty easy.

What made it any easier? You know easier way than hiding his keys in the important moment?



When did your friends say to you that you will die on specific date? Do you really just dismiss something like that?
That is just how human memory works. If something unusual happened, it sticks in one's brain for a very long time. Not her reaction, but their remembering.

But if you won't believe them (and you won't), you will dismiss it as a fun. And even if Chloe remembered this, if she doesn't believe it, she would say just: "Oh, that was fun with Max."



Is what Maxine was done was wrong, but excusable? Or it was right thing to do? Or it was the only option? You can't choose all three options at once, you know.

I'm saying she can't do anything about it so what she did was right. You are saying she did something very wrong, which isn't true.

Xeva-q
28th Aug 2015, 14:35
Excuse me but what did the game say?
That it is possible for Maxine to convince someone that she can time travel. And in this particular case she needed to convince the very same person.

And i know what you going to say:

1. Maxine had very little amount of time.
2. Her power a limited.

But it is not going to work. You can figure out why by yourself.

At the very most you can proof that it was harder (and even that without any certainty). But... so what?

What made it any easier?
She is a photographer. She has dozens of photos. With this opportunities for saving both William and Chloe are endless.

For example... call her in the day of accident, maybe?

But if you won't believe them (and you won't), you will dismiss it as a fun.
If one of my friends would beg me of doing something, i would most certainly do as they ask, even without believing.

I'm saying she can't do anything about it so what she did was right.
Well, it is crystal clear: she could do something. You have every right to deny it, it is not concern of mine.

You are saying she did something very wrong, which isn't true.
If she had a chance to save both William and Chloe, but refused to even attempt doing so - it was definitely her failure. If you think that something like that is okay, it is not concern of mine.

Tataboj
28th Aug 2015, 15:16
Okay, I think that makes sense. Game doesn't state there is selfie of Max in the day of the accident but she could make it a week before the accident etc. Most of the photos are in the parents' house but - yeah, she could make it.

OHWceta
29th Aug 2015, 09:49
Game doesn't state there is selfie of Max in the day of the accident but she could make it a week before the accident etc. Most of the photos are in the parents' house

There's deffinetly a photo of Chloe's birthday when William gave her the car keys. Prevent her from getting that car somehow?

Tataboj
29th Aug 2015, 10:18
There's deffinetly a photo of Chloe's birthday when William gave her the car keys. Prevent her from getting that car somehow?

Max can't go through selfies of other people if she isn't there.