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DeliMontana
16th Jun 2015, 20:05
how did you fail his head so bad? the game looks promising and all, and i can tolerate a semi-reboot with a younger 47 but seriously his head looks like its gonna burst on top and his face looks nothing like Agent 47, for the love of Hitman please reskin him before release and shrink his melon head!

Voidoox
16th Jun 2015, 20:47
http://s017.radikal.ru/i421/1506/a0/c19c702e087c.jpg
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That fell, when see new 47's face. PLS FIX IT. He must look older. Thats a real knife into fans's hearts

Voidoox
16th Jun 2015, 20:53
http://s020.radikal.ru/i714/1506/dd/3b2b9a3d71ca.png

semajmarc87
16th Jun 2015, 21:43
I agree. How could the devs seriously look at the skinny 20 year old Agent 47 and say, "hmmm that looks about right"?

stuntryder788
16th Jun 2015, 21:58
He got botox lol but I think it looks ok :)

drivetheory
16th Jun 2015, 22:05
WHY YOU ASK?

http://im.tiscali.cz/games/2015/06/16/473431-hitman-653x367.jpg

BECAUSE THIS:

https://rockpaperwatch.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/rupert-friend-hot.jpg

https://www.google.com/search?q=Rupert+Friend+hitman&ie=UTF-8&nfpr=1&tbm=isch

http://im.ziffdavisinternational.com/t/ign_hu/movie/default/hitman-agent-47-poster_grj4.640.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2679042/

Jarisko24
16th Jun 2015, 22:18
WE WANT OLD HITMAN AGENT 47 FACE

stuntryder788
17th Jun 2015, 00:18
Agent 47 may look like a mid 30s male
but IOI said that in this game you play as agent 47 at his peak
so maybe his peak was when he was 30+ years old or maybe genetic clones age slower .
he still looks bad ass.
http://25o2zicw5jz372nu42fxtly6.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Hitman-2015-e3-news.jpg

I cant wait till this game drops onto peoples Christmas list this December. :)

stuntryder788
17th Jun 2015, 00:43
theirs not much difference anyway

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/WyuLTe5swnYZnl6Wbuw0rgfkGpMoSrqS3m1mONjmLhzCbBeGglCrrsiyN5wQxtgyqwKFxII=s132

EpicSides
17th Jun 2015, 00:46
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17th Jun 2015, 00:47
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EpicSides
17th Jun 2015, 00:50
We will play Agent 47 in his early ages, over the top, what's the problem?
I'm caring more about how the gameplay will be than his face personally.

stuntryder788
17th Jun 2015, 01:01
I agree its just everyone wants to change his face I think its ok

plus I asked a adult that doesn't watch E3 or play hitman, how old agent 47 looks? and he said mid 30s
so IOI don't need to change his face

its not graphic that make a game fun its the gameplay its just graphic make it look nicer

Topper05
17th Jun 2015, 01:17
Think there are much more important issues to worry about. 47's face is never exactly the same in any of the games.

stuntryder788
17th Jun 2015, 01:58
yeah I asked a adult that doesn't watch E3 or play hitman,
how old doe agent 47 look? and he said mid 30s
so the face doesn't need changing :)

robotx17
17th Jun 2015, 04:56
i believe that was still in beta/alpha version, no way in final release looked like that, it would be better.

Cookiemonstar56
17th Jun 2015, 05:03
We will play Agent 47 in his early ages, what's the problem?
I'm caring more about how the gameplay will be than his face personally.

Takes place after Absolution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWK8izSUKw He looks a lot better now. Movies always had a younger looking 47 since that's how he's supposed to look. He's a clone, he isn't supposed to age like a regular human.

Cookiemonstar56
17th Jun 2015, 05:08
We will play Agent 47 in his early ages, over the top, what's the problem?
I'm caring more about how the gameplay will be than his face personally.

Not early stages. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWK8izSUKw Takes place after Absolution. But he does look a lot better now. He's supposed to look younger than he is. If anything, this is the best he's ever looked. Here's proof as well "In exchange for research funding, Ort-Meyer provided his former comrades with donor organs harvested from clone bodies, which significantly extended their longevity. In Hitman: Codename 47, each of Ort-Meyer's accomplices are said to be 60–70 years old but appear 10–20 years younger." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_47
This goes to show the clones bodies age a lot slower and are generally a lot more healthy and stronger than any regular human.

Cookiemonstar56
17th Jun 2015, 05:29
First off, let's get the elephant in the room out of the way. It isn't a reboot, it doesn't take place any earlier than the previous games, yes, 47 isn't Benjamin Button since this is how he's supposed to look like. HITMAN takes place a bit after Absolution; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWK8izSUKw - confirmed by a dev.
Now, as to why he looks younger, it's quite simple. He only looks younger than he actually is. 47 is genetically superior in every way to a regular human, faster reflexes, stronger, smarter and his body is also much more efficient. He ages a lot slower than any regular human being.

As proven by a piece from the story itself; In exchange for research funding, Ort-Meyer provided his former comrades with donor organs harvested from clone bodies, which significantly extended their longevity. In Hitman: Codename 47, each of Ort-Meyer's accomplices are said to be 60–70 years old but appear 10–20 years younger. - This proves that the agents age a lot slower since their organs don't fall apart so easily as a regular human's. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_47

Oh, and he also looks more athletic as well compared to his older appearances in the previous games where he looked more bulky and "fat".

So, there it is. He looks younger because that's how he's supposed to look. If anything, it doesn't make sense how he looked so old in the previous games. The movies always had younger looking 47s and agents as well since that's how it's supposed to be.
Now, please, at least try to come up with a decent argument rather than filling the thread with how much you hate his new appearance and want to commit suicide because of it, no insults or personal attacks would be preferable, try to provide sources to back up your arguments and at least legitimate ones and just generally don't be an ass.

And there you go, this is why they changed his face.

semajmarc87
17th Jun 2015, 05:49
Takes place after Absolution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWK8izSUKw He looks a lot better now. Movies always had a younger looking 47 since that's how he's supposed to look. He's a clone, he isn't supposed to age like a regular human.

You have GOT to be joking. Did you really use the dreadful Hitman movies as the basis for "how Agent 47 is supposed to look?" Nobody said he's supposed to age like a normal human. In fact, it's very common for video games to freeze the age (appearance-wise) of characters. But it absolutely does NOT make sense for them to go "okay this year Agent 47 looks 45, then next year he'll look 25 etc."

Cookiemonstar56
17th Jun 2015, 06:04
You have GOT to be joking. Did you really use the dreadful Hitman movies as the basis for "how Agent 47 is supposed to look?" Nobody said he's supposed to age like a normal human. In fact, it's very common for video games to freeze the age (appearance-wise) of characters. But it absolutely does NOT make sense for them to go "okay this year Agent 47 looks 45, then next year he'll look 25 etc."

See my thread for explanation but the short of it is this: He's supposed to look 20 years younger than his actual age. 47 was born in 1964. That makes him about 46-47 years old but he's supposed to look like he's in his late 20s which he does in this game (HITMAN) and also in the movies. You might not like it but it's the truth. It didn't even make sense that he looked so old in all the previous games. Even for Absolution they made him look younger.

But, if you're too lazy to search my well detailed thread about why he looks younger here's proof, from the actual story of the game: Ort-Meyer provided his former comrades with donor organs harvested from clone bodies, which significantly extended their longevity. In Hitman: Codename 47, each of Ort-Meyer's accomplices are said to be 60–70 years old but appear 10–20 years younger. So there you go, since they use the clones organs (which 47 also is, duh) they look younger than their actual age by a very big margin. So there you are.

Cookiemonstar56
17th Jun 2015, 06:27
47 is in his late 40s but due to him being a clone he ages slower than a regular human so he's going to look 10-20 years younger than what he actually is. As an example, say 47 would be 80 years old but his body and appearance would be that of a 60 year old since he ages slower. This is proof taken from the story of the game: Ort-Meyer provided his former comrades with donor organs harvested from clone bodies, which significantly extended their longevity. In Hitman: Codename 47, each of Ort-Meyer's accomplices are said to be 60–70 years old but appear 10–20 years younger. If anything his appearance in the previous games was wrong since he looked much older than he even was at the time. The movies also have younger looking 47s and agent clones. The movies may be terrible but at least they're accurate in some regards.
Also, why would anyone want to play as an old hitman is beyond me. If anything, this is the best 47 ever looked in all of the series so it should be a good thing for everyone. Besides, seems most of the people complaining about his looks never even played most of the series.

Cookiemonstar56
17th Jun 2015, 07:19
if it's still not clear, think of it like this. If you were born in 1960 and aged at a slower rate than a normal human, say about half as slow, you'd still have lived for 75 years until today but your body would be that of a 35-ish year old and obviously, your face would also look that young. Just think about it, if a simple transplant of an agent clone's organs could turn someone younger by 10-20 years, an actual agent clone will age that much slower. So it makes sense for 47 to look so young.

IamRahx
17th Jun 2015, 08:37
While I admire your try at explaining, I always have a knee-jerk reaction when someone is too apologetic in something that is as clear as day.
The reason 47 looks this way is because they are redesigning him for a new 'beginning'. That's it. Trying to push that into the lore makes no sense, since it wouldn't make him look younger but the same.
Its going to take some time to get used to it, but its nothing too crazy, since he still looks very much like 47. Especially when they zoomed in and his mouth was out of view

Buscar88
17th Jun 2015, 09:44
Its not unreasonable that IO tries to bring 47s look closer to the look of the movie. Beside that, I also think that we play 47 in his early years. Now we get to experience the story of the younger and not the broken 47 of Absolution (who wasn't really convincing).

I personally like his new look. I also like the title. There are far more issues about the game we schould worry about.

Edit:

Someone on youtube came up with "He looks like "Johnny Sins"." Looked it up....and I tend to say he is right.
Now I can't take the new 47 seriously anymore. Johnny Sins is a male porn star.:lol:

Cookiemonstar56
17th Jun 2015, 13:50
While I admire your try at explaining, I always have a knee-jerk reaction when someone is too apologetic in something that is as clear as day.
The reason 47 looks this way is because they are redesigning him for a new 'beginning'. That's it. Trying to push that into the lore makes no sense, since it wouldn't make him look younger but the same.
Its going to take some time to get used to it, but its nothing too crazy, since he still looks very much like 47. Especially when they zoomed in and his mouth was out of view

Cute, but no. This is explained lore-wise. It's cannon and how he's supposed to look. If anything, when they first designed him they didn't take that into consideration and they'll never admit they made him look too old. The same way they won't admit he looks too young now. Deal with it. This is how he's supposed to look and the proof is in the story itself. You can argue with me all you want but this is how things are.

It's amazing how all people like you do just mask a simple "No, I'm right, you're wrong because I said so, my word is law" and then walk out like you're the victors with no proof to back it up, no legitimate sources and just think you can make up some lies and pass them as facts. You can't even bother to search for information on a subject before posting. It literally would take you less than 5 minutes to find all of this info. Come on man...

Oonder
17th Jun 2015, 14:33
Dude, what went up your ass? It is true that it is simply a redesign because of a "new beginning" like mister Christian said in the interview on IGN. What are you rumbling on about it is how he's "supposed" to look? It is really a lot of story you are trying to tell, but really aint saying anything...

Cookiemonstar56
17th Jun 2015, 15:08
Dude, what went up your ass? It is true that it is simply a redesign because of a "new beginning" like mister Christian said in the interview on IGN. What are you rumbling on about it is how he's "supposed" to look? It is really a lot of story you are trying to tell, but really aint saying anything...

It takes place after Absolution so it isn't a new story which means the lore is still the same. They re-designed his face with each game. This time they looked at the story when doing that as well and not just to make him look more aggressive for the hell of it. Then again, I can't expect you to know all of that since you registered today just to spam more conjecture. This is how 47 is supposed to look like. Learn some reading comprehension before posting.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2wzmeWwhD1qza5nw.jpg

Buscar88
17th Jun 2015, 15:39
It's amazing how all people like you do just mask a simple "No, I'm right, you're wrong because I said so, my word is law" and then walk out like you're the victors with no proof to back it up, no legitimate sources and just think you can make up some lies and pass them as facts. You can't even bother to search for information on a subject before posting. It literally would take you less than 5 minutes to find all of this info. Come on man...

Well, thats exactly what you are doing right now. :p

The lore takes place after Absolution but 47 looks much younger. The only way, how this could be consistent with lore (or biology) is, that they use flashbacks to tell the story, as they did in Blood Money.

But I think they only want him to look younger because of the new beginning and because of the upcoming movie.

Oonder
17th Jun 2015, 15:54
I need to learn some reading? I didnt say it was a new story, I said it was a new beginning! And this is said by Christian himself. Who's not reading here?
They indeed did redesign his face in every game, and I am fine with them doing it again. This is also a hint for the new upcoming hitman movie. I am still standing my point that you are really saying nothing, just blabbing around about that he is supposed to look like this. I agree with you if you didnt get that? I am just saying that you are frustrated about people not liking his face, and just really saying nothing to defend that statement! As for my spamming, I registered in 2012, but never posted anything ;)

Cookiemonstar56
17th Jun 2015, 16:04
Well, thats exactly what you are doing right now. :p

The lore takes place after Absolution but 47 looks much younger. The only way, how this could be consistent with lore (or biology) is, that they use flashbacks to tell the story, as they did in Blood Money.

But I think they only want him to look younger because of the new beginning and because of the upcoming movie.

Nice, go against what a dev. actually states with no basis. I actually posted proof to back up my claims. You have nothing. It's as simple as that. Real life works the same, jail works the same. You bring proof and that's the truth. The new look they gave him is what he's supposed to look like I posted a snippet of the game's story, the dev confirmed it takes place in the same universe, it's not a reboot and it's only a short while after Absolution. Learn to read.

Cookiemonstar56
17th Jun 2015, 16:14
I need to learn some reading? I didnt say it was a new story, I said it was a new beginning! And this is said by Christian himself. Who's not reading here?
They indeed did redesign his face in every game, and I am fine with them doing it again. This is also a hint for the new upcoming hitman movie. I am still standing my point that you are really saying nothing, just blabbing around about that he is supposed to look like this. I agree with you if you didnt get that? I am just saying that you are frustrated about people not liking his face, and just really saying nothing to defend that statement! As for my spamming, I registered in 2012, but never posted anything ;)

Again, you didn't actually got the context of that. It's only a "new beginning" in terms of it being a new game that departs from the rest of the series while still still keeping the lore intact and uses all that they learned in the past to make it the game they always wanted but couldn't due to hardware, software limitations, budget, time, manpower and everything they didn't have when they first started with the idea of Hitman and 47. With this new game they have the chance to start over and make the game they always wanted to. That's what he meant with a "new beginning. Then again, like I said, people lack reading comprehension. You always take them out of the context they were originally in just to "prove" someone is wrong because they don't agree with you. All you're doing is proving you are even more wrong yourself. But go ahead, I got time.

Cookiemonstar56
17th Jun 2015, 16:38
As for why I started this thread. It's because there's already 3 threads that only say how much they hate his appearance and the devs should listen to them just because they think they know better. With no basis to back those demands, no actual legitimate reason as to why they should even listen to them it literally doesn't amount to anything other than spam.
Well, I provided an actual legitimate reason as to why they should keep it as it is. I dare you to go to a shop demanding that they give you everything inside for free, just because you said so. You think they would do it just because you say so? It's immature, ignorant and disruptive. This literally happens with every game in the series so far. Someone's gotta draw a line somewhere.

Here is an interview of Viewtiful Joe's designer. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4087436

And here is something he states:
" I think the whole focus-group thing is not the way to make a game, because you start to bring in other people's opinions and lose some of the originality. For Viewtiful Joe, we brought in some kids to a focus test and asked them, "What do you think of the characters?" And all the kids said, "Oh, his head's too big," or "Silvia's annoying, I just want to kill her." They were just trashing the game, so I just got pissed off and said I'm not changing anything."

That is the kind of attitude devs should start adopting more. Listening to what the fans want more from the next entry in the series is a good way to get feedback but when it devolves into personal preference that's where you gotta draw the line. Bashing on a game constantly just because you cannot see the big picture isn't feedback. You have to take into account each aspect of the series and story and lore plays a big part into it. Without it, a game that set that up over the course of its series just starts falling apart.

And here we come full circle. Now people are complaining as to why he looks so young. I explained why, provided sources for each of my statements and all I get is a "no, you're wrong just because I say so".

I know games are supposed to be enjoyable and fun experiences but when the community gets so toxic and all of that negativity starts getting reflected into the game's experience, it just ruins everything.

You'd think you'd at least be more lenient and grateful since they are listening to you and bringing back the open ended levels and freedom of choice but no, it's always, I hate his face, I hate this gun, I hate this suit, I hate, hate, hate. That's all it is. If anything I have faith in Io Interactive that they won't give into all this nonsense. Also, here's a thought, if you hate it so much you can just not buy it and never look at it again.

What all of you want is the same game over and over again. Same face, same suit, same guns, same thing over and over. Here's a hint, it's called Call of Duty. Now go over and play that. You're not helping anyone here.

semajmarc87
17th Jun 2015, 16:46
See my thread for explanation but the short of it is this: He's supposed to look 20 years younger than his actual age. 47 was born in 1964. That makes him about 46-47 years old but he's supposed to look like he's in his late 20s which he does in this game (HITMAN) and also in the movies. You might not like it but it's the truth. It didn't even make sense that he looked so old in all the previous games. Even for Absolution they made him look younger.

But, if you're too lazy to search my well detailed thread about why he looks younger here's proof, from the actual story of the game: Ort-Meyer provided his former comrades with donor organs harvested from clone bodies, which significantly extended their longevity. In Hitman: Codename 47, each of Ort-Meyer's accomplices are said to be 60–70 years old but appear 10–20 years younger. So there you go, since they use the clones organs (which 47 also is, duh) they look younger than their actual age by a very big margin. So there you are.

I did see your "explanation," and it sucks. It keeps coming back to, "he looked 45 in the first 5 games, but he wasn't supposed to because the movies..." Give it a rest. Nobody is going to agree with you that Contracts and Blood Money were wrong and only the atrocious Hitman movies were right. Give it a rest.

Cookiemonstar56
17th Jun 2015, 16:48
I did see your "explanation," and it sucks. It keeps coming back to, "he looked 45 in the first 5 games, but he wasn't supposed to because the movies..." Give it a rest. Nobody is going to agree with you that Contracts and Blood Money were wrong and only the atrocious Hitman movies were right. Give it a rest.

Flawless logic. Thanks for showing me the light.

47Cards
17th Jun 2015, 18:48
See my thread for explanation but the short of it is this: He's supposed to look 20 years younger than his actual age. 47 was born in 1964. That makes him about 46-47 years old but he's supposed to look like he's in his late 20s which he does in this game (HITMAN) and also in the movies. You might not like it but it's the truth. It didn't even make sense that he looked so old in all the previous games. Even for Absolution they made him look younger.

But, if you're too lazy to search my well detailed thread about why he looks younger here's proof, from the actual story of the game: Ort-Meyer provided his former comrades with donor organs harvested from clone bodies, which significantly extended their longevity. In Hitman: Codename 47, each of Ort-Meyer's accomplices are said to be 60–70 years old but appear 10–20 years younger. So there you go, since they use the clones organs (which 47 also is, duh) they look younger than their actual age by a very big margin. So there you are.

Well in the new title they made him look younger in 40 years if his real age 60.
Even in the new movie "Agent 47" he looks older then in this game.

47Cards
17th Jun 2015, 18:59
For those who say there are other important things, is wrong. One of the most important things is to think about how the MAIN character looks like. You can not change it every game so much! I mean from "hitman 2- hitman 5" they kept on the same face and the same features more or less. Now they have changed him completely... * I don't talk about how young he look. Makehim young, I don't mind. But, just keep his look.

47Cards
17th Jun 2015, 19:31
how did you fail his head so bad? the game looks promising and all, and i can tolerate a semi-reboot with a younger 47 but seriously his head looks like its gonna burst on top and his face looks nothing like Agent 47, for the love of Hitman please reskin him before release and shrink his melon head!

I agree

47Cards
17th Jun 2015, 19:39
http://s017.radikal.ru/i421/1506/a0/c19c702e087c.jpg
http://f19.ifotki.info/thumb/504101e06c3a63f49412267ce49b847f5f1d7a217147803.jpg (http://i-fotki.info/19/504101e06c3a63f49412267ce49b847f5f1d7a217147803.jpg.html)
That fell, when see new 47's face. PLS FIX IT. He must look older. Thats a real knife into fans's hearts

I agree with you.
He should look like:
http://rogi29.deviantart.com/art/Agent47-540304282?ga_submit_new=10%253A1434569651
He looks young but also, he looks like Agent 47.

Unlike in the game...
http://assets.vg247.com/current//2015/06/hitman_e3_2015_screengrab-600x305.jpg

Driber
17th Jun 2015, 20:01
Guys, enough with the hostility towards fellow forum members, or else we'll lock this.

BlackBird29
17th Jun 2015, 22:07
First off, let's get the elephant in the room out of the way. It isn't a reboot, it doesn't take place any earlier than the previous games, yes, 47 isn't Benjamin Button since this is how he's supposed to look like. HITMAN takes place a bit after Absolution; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWK8izSUKw - confirmed by a dev.
Now, as to why he looks younger, it's quite simple. He only looks younger than he actually is. 47 is genetically superior in every way to a regular human, faster reflexes, stronger, smarter and his body is also much more efficient. He ages a lot slower than any regular human being.

As proven by a piece from the story itself; In exchange for research funding, Ort-Meyer provided his former comrades with donor organs harvested from clone bodies, which significantly extended their longevity. In Hitman: Codename 47, each of Ort-Meyer's accomplices are said to be 60–70 years old but appear 10–20 years younger. - This proves that the agents age a lot slower since their organs don't fall apart so easily as a regular human's. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_47

Oh, and he also looks more athletic as well compared to his older appearances in the previous games where he looked more bulky and "fat".

So, there it is. He looks younger because that's how he's supposed to look. If anything, it doesn't make sense how he looked so old in the previous games. The movies always had younger looking 47s and agents as well since that's how it's supposed to be.
Now, please, at least try to come up with a decent argument rather than filling the thread with how much you hate his new appearance and want to commit suicide because of it, no insults or personal attacks would be preferable, try to provide sources to back up your arguments and at least legitimate ones and just generally don't be an ass.

And there you go, this is why they changed his face.

Greetings, thank you for sharing your different opinion, because it is very important to give other opinions based on facts, and some researches you have done, showing some really good thoughts toward how he should look. However, I have a different opinion than you. Since you said Agent 47 get old much slower than other human being, he needs to be young, but it doesn't mean his structure of face should look different. I mean, it looks very different then before. By observing the face of all the sequels, I see a big difference in his chin and jaw and eyebrows structure, they are far more smaller compering to the other Hitman sequels. Moreover, he looks less scarier, less experienced, less serious and even a little bit happy looking at this picture. -> http://www.gameranx.com/img/15-Jun/hitman-e3-2015.jpg

When I hear the two words the superior assassin that is also happened to be something like an android or much more stronger human being, I immediately think of lonely, scary, serious, character that doesn't laugh, cry or become angry, fearless from anything, living only to eliminate people. With the Hitman sequels, they deliver it almost perfectly with the character called Agent 47, a human that is not human, escaped from his place of creation where everybody try to hunt him and he hunt everybody. This is a masterpiece, and his face was almost perfect even if they changed it in every game, they always delivered the scary and serious look to the character, the look of a superior assassin in a every stylish way.

I played Hitman from a very young age and the nostalgic of this game never stop me to remember those moments when playing as Agent 47. Therefore, I expected the same character, younger or not. Looking at the Trailer, he was looking very good, serious and tough, a bit different but very like the other games. However, when I saw the gameplay he was almost completely different person. His chin was much skinnier, his jaw was much smaller, his eyebrows structure were different and he had almost a smile on his face. He doesn't look like Agent 47, he looks like someone who trying to be 47.

In the end, of course the game should be different, but there are aspects that should remain the same because those aspects or characteristics are what defining who you are or in this case about the face of a hero in a story, especially Agent 47. That why, we as the gamers who consuming the game from the first Hitman, want this one to become as better it could be, since they announced they want to develop the game with us "Another big part of this new approach is that we will develop the game with you, the players, and adjust gameplay and create live content and events based on player activity and feedback - so the game will deepen and evolve as time progresses." I as a player who love Hitman want it to become the game I were waiting for and I am not the only one.

Few pictures of the series of Hitman:
Hitman 1:
http://gameswalls.com/wallpapers/h/hitman-codename-47/hitman-codename-47-1.jpg
http://gameswalls.com/wallpapers/h/hitman-codename-47/codename-47-1.jpg

Hitman 2:
http://wallpaperstock.net/hitman-2_wallpapers_19154_1600x1200_1.html
http://screenshots.en.sftcdn.net/en/scrn/22000/22837/hitman-2-wallpaper-2-2.jpg

Hitman Contracts:
http://t.wallpaperweb.org/wallpaper/games/1440x1080/wallpaper_hitman_contracts_07_1600_1440x1080.jpg
http://kleberly.com/data_images/wallpapers/26/342987-hitman-blood-money.jpg

Hitman Blood Money:
http://www.mareosdeungeek.es/wp-content/images/HitmanBM-wallpaper.jpg

Hitman Absolution:

https://www.google.co.il/search?q=hitman+1&biw=1536&bih=758&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=88KBVbPUJsrjUbGVodAI&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=hitman+absolution+wallpaper&imgrc=WhJqJoI4z_h89M%253A%3B17JHz6m5EukqLM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwallpaperswide.com%252Fdownload%252Fhitman_absolution_5-wallpaper-1920x1080.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwallpaperswide.com%252Fhitman-desktop-wallpapers.html%3B1920%3B1080

HITMAN:
http://www.gameranx.com/img/15-Jun/hitman-e3-2015.jpg
http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/06/hitman-gameplay-trailer-e3-2015-140317.jpg

This is what I think he should look like(Brother's quick draw):
http://rogi29.deviantart.com/art/Agent47-540304282

Acid_Burn
17th Jun 2015, 22:36
Thanks for the feedback, but please, don't be so hostile.
The game is still in development and a lot of things could change. I'm not confirming, nor denying that the face will change but the team are working really hard to bring you the best Hitman game ever. You'll be able to see it really soon!
Cheers!

BlackBird29
17th Jun 2015, 23:05
No, thank you, the developers who working so hard, creating us a wonderful game. I didn't meant to be hostile I am every optimistic. However, I wanted to show Cookiemonstar56 that this is an argument that can be discussed about, without saying I hate this face, rather giving healthy feedback to him, the community and the developers who working so hard to achieve an amazing game :)
Thanks

Driber
17th Jun 2015, 23:26
No worries, BlackBird29; you were perfectly respectful :) :thumb:

AdrianShephard
18th Jun 2015, 00:06
47's face has been discussed before on this board: http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=142277

I alluded to it in that thread, and I'll say it in this one: my prototypical 47 is from the Contracts artwork

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/652/355676-agent47.jpg

While gameplay is much more important that looks, I dearly hope that Io changes 47's face. He has none of the Eastern European features shown in the artwork from Hitman 1, 2, Contracts; most notably 47's extremely heavy brow. This (H6) face and the Absolution face are American renditions of 47.

Otherwise, the muscle/build of the 47 model is damn near perfect. Not too meaty like in Absolution.

stuntryder788
18th Jun 2015, 00:43
I'm sure that three threads have merged.

my - I don't think its necessarily a bad thing about agent 47s face
and
DeliMontana - What the F did you do to Agent 47's face!?
and
DeliMontana - Why 47's face looks exactly how it's supposed to

I also wanted to just say I got comment 47

Acid_Burn
18th Jun 2015, 07:03
Yes, I merged all 4 threads with face discussions. Let's keep the forum clean like 47 do with his workplace ;)

Cookiemonstar56
18th Jun 2015, 07:20
Greetings, thank you for sharing your different opinion, because it is very important to give other opinions based on facts, and some researches you have done, showing some really good thoughts toward how he should look. However, I have a different opinion than you. Since you said Agent 47 get old much slower than other human being, he needs to be young, but it doesn't mean his structure of face should look different. I mean, it looks very different then before. By observing the face of all the sequels, I see a big difference in his chin and jaw and eyebrows structure, they are far more smaller compering to the other Hitman sequels. Moreover, he looks less scarier, less experienced, less serious and even a little bit happy looking at this picture. -> http://www.gameranx.com/img/15-Jun/hitman-e3-2015.jpg

When I hear the two words the superior assassin that is also happened to be something like an android or much more stronger human being, I immediately think of lonely, scary, serious, character that doesn't laugh, cry or become angry, fearless from anything, living only to eliminate people. With the Hitman sequels, they deliver it almost perfectly with the character called Agent 47, a human that is not human, escaped from his place of creation where everybody try to hunt him and he hunt everybody. This is a masterpiece, and his face was almost perfect even if they changed it in every game, they always delivered the scary and serious look to the character, the look of a superior assassin in a every stylish way.

I played Hitman from a very young age and the nostalgic of this game never stop me to remember those moments when playing as Agent 47. Therefore, I expected the same character, younger or not. Looking at the Trailer, he was looking very good, serious and tough, a bit different but very like the other games. However, when I saw the gameplay he was almost completely different person. His chin was much skinnier, his jaw was much smaller, his eyebrows structure were different and he had almost a smile on his face. He doesn't look like Agent 47, he looks like someone who trying to be 47.

In the end, of course the game should be different, but there are aspects that should remain the same because those aspects or characteristics are what defining who you are or in this case about the face of a hero in a story, especially Agent 47. That why, we as the gamers who consuming the game from the first Hitman, want this one to become as better it could be, since they announced they want to develop the game with us "Another big part of this new approach is that we will develop the game with you, the players, and adjust gameplay and create live content and events based on player activity and feedback - so the game will deepen and evolve as time progresses." I as a player who love Hitman want it to become the game I were waiting for and I am not the only one.

Few pictures of the series of Hitman:
Hitman 1:
http://gameswalls.com/wallpapers/h/hitman-codename-47/hitman-codename-47-1.jpg
http://gameswalls.com/wallpapers/h/hitman-codename-47/codename-47-1.jpg

Hitman 2:
http://wallpaperstock.net/hitman-2_wallpapers_19154_1600x1200_1.html
http://screenshots.en.sftcdn.net/en/scrn/22000/22837/hitman-2-wallpaper-2-2.jpg

Hitman Contracts:
http://t.wallpaperweb.org/wallpaper/games/1440x1080/wallpaper_hitman_contracts_07_1600_1440x1080.jpg
http://kleberly.com/data_images/wallpapers/26/342987-hitman-blood-money.jpg

Hitman Blood Money:
http://www.mareosdeungeek.es/wp-content/images/HitmanBM-wallpaper.jpg

Hitman Absolution:

https://www.google.co.il/search?q=hitman+1&biw=1536&bih=758&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=88KBVbPUJsrjUbGVodAI&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=hitman+absolution+wallpaper&imgrc=WhJqJoI4z_h89M%253A%3B17JHz6m5EukqLM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwallpaperswide.com%252Fdownload%252Fhitman_absolution_5-wallpaper-1920x1080.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwallpaperswide.com%252Fhitman-desktop-wallpapers.html%3B1920%3B1080

HITMAN:
http://www.gameranx.com/img/15-Jun/hitman-e3-2015.jpg
http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/06/hitman-gameplay-trailer-e3-2015-140317.jpg

This is what I think he should look like(Brother's quick draw):
http://rogi29.deviantart.com/art/Agent47-540304282

I can see where you're coming from but even the devs states that this is a "new beginning". Look at the new Need for Speed for example. Yes, it is a reboot but that's not the point. They're taking everything that everyone loved about each game in particular and adding them all together, changing some of those features and removing others. Just because 47 looked like he did in the past doesn't mean he cannot change his appearance. Whether the reason is to reflect the lore more faithfully or to further develop his character and the storyline (he could have gotten plastic surgery to change his face so he won't be so recognizable and look more human to blend in for all we know) there's always a reason why devs change a game's features or remove them. I know everyone loved the previous games but if want everything to stay the same it just defeats the purpose of even making a new game.

If you want to play the same thing over and over there are other devs who cater to that sort of thing. If you can't be open-minded about some of the changes and figure out how they play into the context of the game as a whole then all of these "opinions" amount to nothing.

One of 47's biggest assets is his ability to blend in by using disguises. If he looks in any way more unnatural or "less human" then all of that starts falling apart. His new look in HITMAN is by far the most human while still keeping that "unnatural" feeling since he is a clone.

And yes, he does look older. You can even see wrinkles on his face in the older games. I assume they did that to give him a more "experienced" look.

People literally complain about this with every title in the series. There is a simple way of fixing this problem. Give us options for his appearance. So the ones who like his new appearance can keep that and the ones who liked his older appearance can use that instead. But I doubt that's gonna happen.

The series isn't gonna lose any of its defining aspects as you can see from the trailers. If anything, this is the closest a Hitman game has ever come to being an actual hitman experience. He still has his black suit and red tie, he still has the barcode on the back of his head, he can still use disguises, he can still eliminate his targets in a multitude of ways, it's still the same 47 and the same core Hitman experience but better than its ever been. His face won't change any of that, if anything, his new appearance helps him blend in more.

They could easily please everyone with appearance options but I doubt they'll do that. Changing his face back to the older ones won't do anyone any favors. Next thing we know, this will turn into a Call of Duty series. Same bloody exact things over and over with each series.

For the last time, feedback is based on facts, taking into account how that change will impact the every aspect of the game and changes should only be made to improve the experience, not suit it for only a select few. Yes, what a shocker, you're in the minority. Most of the people who will buy this will have never even have played a previous Hitman game or won't care about his appearance so much. Trust me, if you gave a current generation gamer that old and frankly ugly looking 47 they would outright say "What's wrong with his face?". Absolution also has a more human looking 47 compared to every previous game like for example in Codename 47 or Contracts. It's more streamlined and makes more sense.

A more "serious and scary" look would make sense for a cold blooded killer if you look at it from one point. But it would make more sense if you didn't expect it. The new 47 looks like he could blend in anywhere and no one would suspect him of being a killer. That's how 47 works. He's a ghost. While freedom of choice is important, 47 as a standalone character is defined by his ability to eliminate his targets without leaving a trace of his existence.

That's why his new look makes the most sense it ever has in any Hitman game.

EpicSides
18th Jun 2015, 07:36
Not early stages. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWK8izSUKw Takes place after Absolution. But he does look a lot better now. He's supposed to look younger than he is. If anything, this is the best he's ever looked. Here's proof as well "In exchange for research funding, Ort-Meyer provided his former comrades with donor organs harvested from clone bodies, which significantly extended their longevity. In Hitman: Codename 47, each of Ort-Meyer's accomplices are said to be 60–70 years old but appear 10–20 years younger." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_47
This goes to show the clones bodies age a lot slower and are generally a lot more healthy and stronger than any regular human.

It was kind of weird to see a younger 47 since story takes place after Absolution (his face was older but i liked it, we could feel experiment through it)

Now i'm totally understanding that since 47 is a clone he ages less than regular people, but i didn't felt like he was too old in Absolution
(barely 40 years) tho.

I've always been used to see an "aged" 47, around 30-40 years. It also adds a badass side to the character (his face expressions, his look, his body).

I think we've lost something in the process, but i guess we'll get used to it.

Cookiemonstar56
18th Jun 2015, 09:28
It was kind of weird to see a younger 47 since story takes place after Absolution (his face was older but i liked it, we could feel experiment through it)

Now i'm totally understanding that since 47 is a clone he ages less than regular people, but i didn't felt like he was too old in Absolution
(barely 40 years) tho.

I've always been used to see an "aged" 47, around 30-40 years. It also adds a badass side to the character (his face expressions, his look, his body).

I think we've lost something in the process, but i guess we'll get used to it.

Look at it like this. If his face was the same as the new one in the old games nobody would have said anything. If they changed it to his old face after that everyone would freak out. Same thing here but vice versa. Everyone should just learn to accept that they changed it for good reasons.

I explained some of those reasons with actual proof from legit sources and I'm the stupid and wrong one?

Take for example Gallileo Gallilei states that the earth revolves around the sun and everyone thought he was crazy even though he had proof of that. Same thing here. I don't claim to be a "genius" like him but I do claim that my points have actual validity. There could have been other reasons as to why the devs changed his face but if they did it for other reasons they could at least try to explain it or take into consideration, at the very least, what I stated.

We'll lose a lot more if they change it back to what it was or to something worse.

Now, be real. What human do you think ever looked like this? And if he did, wouldn't he stand out and get noticed easier?
http://gameswalls.com/wallpapers/h/hitman-codename-47/hitman-codename-47-1.jpg

I mean, come on, get real. The whole point of 47 is to be able to infiltrate anywhere in the world, eliminate his targets and walk out without even someone remembering his face.

LuckyBide
18th Jun 2015, 11:26
I don't like his new face at all. He doesn't look badass at all, he just looks like a kid and he has no expression at all.

Kev_Stinx
18th Jun 2015, 14:10
What have you done to his jaw line?

You have condensed his head :(
Looks like a different Hitman all together. Not aged, not young. Different!

Hitman has always had a long face. Am assuming this time we play as codename 37, his little clone.

The most positive thing about this is the fact we play in 3rd person mode and view the back of 47's head and not his face. So it is not that bad.

BlackBird29
18th Jun 2015, 14:30
I can see where you're coming from but even the devs states that this is a "new beginning". Look at the new Need for Speed for example. Yes, it is a reboot but that's not the point. They're taking everything that everyone loved about each game in particular and adding them all together, changing some of those features and removing others. Just because 47 looked like he did in the past doesn't mean he cannot change his appearance. Whether the reason is to reflect the lore more faithfully or to further develop his character and the storyline (he could have gotten plastic surgery to change his face so he won't be so recognizable and look more human to blend in for all we know) there's always a reason why devs change a game's features or remove them. I know everyone loved the previous games but if want everything to stay the same it just defeats the purpose of even making a new game.

If you want to play the same thing over and over there are other devs who cater to that sort of thing. If you can't be open-minded about some of the changes and figure out how they play into the context of the game as a whole then all of these "opinions" amount to nothing.

One of 47's biggest assets is his ability to blend in by using disguises. If he looks in any way more unnatural or "less human" then all of that starts falling apart. His new look in HITMAN is by far the most human while still keeping that "unnatural" feeling since he is a clone.

And yes, he does look older. You can even see wrinkles on his face in the older games. I assume they did that to give him a more "experienced" look.

People literally complain about this with every title in the series. There is a simple way of fixing this problem. Give us options for his appearance. So the ones who like his new appearance can keep that and the ones who liked his older appearance can use that instead. But I doubt that's gonna happen.

The series isn't gonna lose any of its defining aspects as you can see from the trailers. If anything, this is the closest a Hitman game has ever come to being an actual hitman experience. He still has his black suit and red tie, he still has the barcode on the back of his head, he can still use disguises, he can still eliminate his targets in a multitude of ways, it's still the same 47 and the same core Hitman experience but better than its ever been. His face won't change any of that, if anything, his new appearance helps him blend in more.

They could easily please everyone with appearance options but I doubt they'll do that. Changing his face back to the older ones won't do anyone any favors. Next thing we know, this will turn into a Call of Duty series. Same bloody exact things over and over with each series.

For the last time, feedback is based on facts, taking into account how that change will impact the every aspect of the game and changes should only be made to improve the experience, not suit it for only a select few. Yes, what a shocker, you're in the minority. Most of the people who will buy this will have never even have played a previous Hitman game or won't care about his appearance so much. Trust me, if you gave a current generation gamer that old and frankly ugly looking 47 they would outright say "What's wrong with his face?". Absolution also has a more human looking 47 compared to every previous game like for example in Codename 47 or Contracts. It's more streamlined and makes more sense.

A more "serious and scary" look would make sense for a cold blooded killer if you look at it from one point. But it would make more sense if you didn't expect it. The new 47 looks like he could blend in anywhere and no one would suspect him of being a killer. That's how 47 works. He's a ghost. While freedom of choice is important, 47 as a standalone character is defined by his ability to eliminate his targets without leaving a trace of his existence.

That's why his new look makes the most sense it ever has in any Hitman game.

Like I said previously I am very optimistic about the game. Because of the new approach of developing the game, I am sure the game would turn to be a fantastic game. Even the idea of just calling it HITMAN made me very pleased. As you said, It is new begging making balance between old school players and new players, which is perfectly fine. On the other hand, I think that the face of 47 should be changed, but I am not talking about previous games, I am talking about the trailer. His face in the trailer is the right choice for me, which is very different from the gamplay, providing the experienced and serious look to the character but in the same time looking more like a human.

My point is, that the game is still in early stage. Therefore, it could satisfy both players, not by choosing whether you like this face or the other one, however by changing it to be more like the one in the trailer, which is amazingly satisfying. I agree with you and I agree with the others about few things, that why we are debating about the game, to help improve the game as good as possible as it can be. For that reason, I am very open minded but I would be pleased to see his face looks like the trailer. Have a good day and I wish that everybody will enjoy the game.

123
18th Jun 2015, 19:16
Looks like a different Hitman all together. Not aged, not young. Different!

I agree with you, they made him look like a babyface because thats what they think people want. They went soft on absolution and its just going to get worst. Someone was trying to say that this was the way he was suppose to all along, when that is not the case. Their just jumping on the marketing bandwagon.

AdrianShephard
18th Jun 2015, 19:25
Take for example Gallileo Gallilei states that the earth revolves around the sun and everyone thought he was crazy even though he had proof of that. Same thing here. I don't claim to be a "genius" like him but I do claim that my points have actual validity. There could have been other reasons as to why the devs changed his face but if they did it for other reasons they could at least try to explain it or take into consideration, at the very least, what I stated.

This example is fundamentally flawed, it has almost no analogy to what you are arguing. Firstly, not everyone thought Galileo was spewing nonsense. Much of the opposition was from the Catholic Church. Secondly, the idea of heliocentrism defies common logic; in our frame of reference we see the sun moving around us, so it's unthinkable for him to claim that Earth moves around the Sun. I don't see how the devs changing 47's face is in anyway relevant to this example. You presented 1/2 items of 'proof' (really loose background to tie loose ends that was never touched on in a meaningful way), he presented collections of data supporting his theories.



Now, be real. What human do you think ever looked like this? And if he did, wouldn't he stand out and get noticed easier?
http://gameswalls.com/wallpapers/h/hitman-codename-47/hitman-codename-47-1.jpg

I mean, come on, get real. The whole point of 47 is to be able to infiltrate anywhere in the world, eliminate his targets and walk out without even someone remembering his face.

It's common knowledge that the artwork from the first game is sub-par, he didn't even look like that in the actual game anyway. Why not try making a point with the Hitman 2, Contracts, or BM artwork?



It's amazing how all people like you do just mask a simple "No, I'm right, you're wrong because I said so, my word is law" and then walk out like you're the victors with no proof to back it up, no legitimate sources and just think you can make up some lies and pass them as facts.


Eh...You're essentially doing just that. Clinging onto 3-4 lines of obsolete background info to try and prove your point when every canon Hitman entry has claimed otherwise isn't enough. Also, to me, you're missing the (not well articulated) complaints. My initial reaction to seeing him was "his facial structure is off"; that's what made me believe he looks too young. I don't think the problem is that he doesn't have the telltale signs of age, it's that his features give him a sort of soft, babyish (compared to the older games) look. Adding wrinkles/bags to the current H6 face won't solve the problem, so I don't think that the 'he is supposed to look 10 years younger' assertion is the solution. 10 years doesn't change an adult male's facial structure that much.

Zetera
19th Jun 2015, 01:53
I don't see why so many people are concerned about his face. This is a Hitman game where 47 is supposed to be in his prime, so he looks in his prime. I know it's set after Absolution, but you'll have to suspend your disbelief here a little in understanding that the devs are trying to make a game that is comprised of the very best of what makes Hitman great.

In Absolution, they made the mistake of making him look too old. You want 47 to look like he can kick ass, not off to collect his pension. Now, they're trying to fix that by putting him back in his prime, even though chronologically the game is set after Absolution.

A lot of people are complaining that he is good-looking now too, and I don't understand why anyone has a problem with that. He can look good while being a complete badass. Literally every single previous Hitman game has mentioned that he is supposed to be good-looking, and they've been making him look better and better since Contracts.

Zetera
19th Jun 2015, 01:56
I think that the face of 47 should be changed, but I am not talking about previous games, I am talking about the trailer. His face in the trailer is the right choice for me, which is very different from the gamplay, providing the experienced and serious look to the character but in the same time looking more like a human.

Totally agree with you, his face at the end of the cinematic trailer when the camera zoomed in – that face was EPIC.

Cookiemonstar56
19th Jun 2015, 03:10
This example is fundamentally flawed, it has almost no analogy to what you are arguing. Firstly, not everyone thought Galileo was spewing nonsense. Much of the opposition was from the Catholic Church. Secondly, the idea of heliocentrism defies common logic; in our frame of reference we see the sun moving around us, so it's unthinkable for him to claim that Earth moves around the Sun. I don't see how the devs changing 47's face is in anyway relevant to this example. You presented 1/2 items of 'proof' (really loose background to tie loose ends that was never touched on in a meaningful way), he presented collections of data supporting his theories.



It's common knowledge that the artwork from the first game is sub-par, he didn't even look like that in the actual game anyway. Why not try making a point with the Hitman 2, Contracts, or BM artwork?



Eh...You're essentially doing just that. Clinging onto 3-4 lines of obsolete background info to try and prove your point when every canon Hitman entry has claimed otherwise isn't enough. Also, to me, you're missing the (not well articulated) complaints. My initial reaction to seeing him was "his facial structure is off"; that's what made me believe he looks too young. I don't think the problem is that he doesn't have the telltale signs of age, it's that his features give him a sort of soft, babyish (compared to the older games) look. Adding wrinkles/bags to the current H6 face won't solve the problem, so I don't think that the 'he is supposed to look 10 years younger' assertion is the solution. 10 years doesn't change an adult male's facial structure that much.

Even though 47 was hunted down all throughout Blood Money for his perfect clone DNA. He ages slower than a normal human and he was the only clone to have his genetic degradation fixed by Ort-Meyer. 47 killed all the rest of the clones and stole the data. In Blood Money you can see that the Albinos look very old and The Franchise wanted 47's DNA to stop the degradation. But I can't expect you to know that, you clearly never even payed attention to the story. Trust me, you're better off playing Call of Duty and leaving your ignorance on their forums instead.

IamRahx
19th Jun 2015, 06:16
@Cookiemonstar56
Dude chill out with your televangelistic style propoganda. Your acting like you've found the fountain of youth and noone else on earth knows how wrong they are. Its a videogame. Even if what you were saying were true(and I admit after thinking it over you do make good points) noone will care because you've just proven yourself to be an *******.

-Where there is shouting there is no true knowledge.

Cookiemonstar56
19th Jun 2015, 08:54
@Cookiemonstar56
Dude chill out with your televangelistic style propoganda. Your acting like you've found the fountain of youth and noone else on earth knows how wrong they are. Its a videogame. Even if what you were saying were true(and I admit after thinking it over you do make good points) noone will care because you've just proven yourself to be an *******.

-Where there is shouting there is no true knowledge.

So why do you care if they change it or not? Stop being a hypocrite then. And I'd like to see you come up with good points. So far all I've seen is ignorants who never even played a Hitman and don't even know common plot elements or even who 47 really is make demands and bash the game with no basis, no proof as to why the devs should even listen to them and overall, if the devs even did, we'd end up with a game that is gonna be way worse because of it.
Go take your self-righteous claims somewhere else. You're not helping anyone. Nobody is forcing you to buy or play the game if you hate it so much and you don't have to ruin it for everyone else either.

Driber
19th Jun 2015, 13:46
I believe just on the last page Acid and I warned everyone about getting hostile with other forum members. Cookiemonstar56, you just earned yourself an infraction for your continued hostility. Next time it may be a suspension, so I kindly advice you to change your tone when addressing fellow forum members.

Now, back on topic and no more personal attacks, everyone.

EpicSides
19th Jun 2015, 20:26
Not early stages. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pWK8izSUKw Takes place after Absolution. But he does look a lot better now. He's supposed to look younger than he is. If anything, this is the best he's ever looked. Here's proof as well "In exchange for research funding, Ort-Meyer provided his former comrades with donor organs harvested from clone bodies, which significantly extended their longevity. In Hitman: Codename 47, each of Ort-Meyer's accomplices are said to be 60–70 years old but appear 10–20 years younger." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_47
This goes to show the clones bodies age a lot slower and are generally a lot more healthy and stronger than any regular human.

After seeking the forums and interviews, it looks like you were right Cookie.

Hi guys!!

--> The "rebooted face":

At the first sight i was joyful to see a younger Hitman because i expected the game to be a Chronicle of his past missions, when he was at the top of his skills. But then i've heard the developers telling that the game takes place after Absolution, so i understood it wasn't a prequel, but some kind of half-reboot of the franchise.

It was kind of weird to see a younger 47 since story takes place after Absolution (his face was older but i liked it, we could feel experiment through it).

Now i'm totally understanding that since 47 is a clone he ages less than regular people, but i didn't felt like he was too old in Absolution (barely 40 years) tho.

I've always been used to see an "aged" 47, around 30-40 years. It also adds a badass side to the character (his face expressions, his look, his body) and he gives the feeling of having experience.

http://www.hitmanforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/7/7c8851b8a309db6650e64694f8835579d53da993.jpg

I think we've lost something in the process, but i guess we'll get used to it.
Plus i'm more concerned about how the sandbox gameplay will be than how 47 will look. Anyway...

---> The face expressions:

I've heard lots of people complaining about the fact that 47 was smiling in some parts of the video, or having a "cool" attitude while he is supposed to be a cold silent assassin.

But guys...THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS!!

How a professionnal Hitman can be part of a luxurious parisian party without being "in the mood"?

Imagine yourself, in the middle of everybody, you have to kill someone but not be spotted: YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME!!

Fake smiling, being stylish, you have to get in the roleplay for not being spotted!!

Imagine someone walking around, always with his mad face...suspicious as f**k.

I'm not saying 47 has emotions and stuff, just that his face expressions and stuff are part of the process to be "invisible" in a crowd, see what i mean?

http://www.hitmanforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/f/ffd03e5d2a4297bccee977a042ae4a6a984a6e85.jpg

So, what do you think about it?
I hope some people will agree with my point of view.
Thanks for reading :)

IamRahx
19th Jun 2015, 20:47
@EpicSides
I can agree with you. Cookie did make some good points, which I tried to tell him, but oh well.
I can fully agree that the way 47 looks now is alot less suspicious. He really does look kind of like any other person. Like in the books, there is no way he could have mingled and adorn different disguises unless he was like that. So while I would like to see a slight change to the current face, its not the end of the world and I will get over it if they keep it this way.

It comes down to what people are acustomed to. Like how Sean Connery is who most people see when they think about 007. Just one of those things. Even 47, most people associate 47 with only a fibre wire. But 47's actual signature weapon(s) are his silverballers. So when people think of 47, they see a man with an intimidating face (AND I LOVE THAT LOOK) who could only blend in at a funeral and not a man who can actually dissapear in a crowd.
A shame that the games never enhanced disguises, since they were nothing more than a tool to get somehwere. In the books, disguises not only get him somewhere but 47 becomes his disguise. From a freelance photogropher to a gardener (who gets the reference?) So that side of 47 was always lost in games. He isn't a simple HITMAN, but the perfect assassin.

semajmarc87
19th Jun 2015, 23:25
But guys...THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS!!

How a professionnal Hitman can be part of a luxurious parisian party without being "in the mood"?

Imagine yourself, in the middle of everybody, you have to kill someone but not be spotted: YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME!!

Fake smiling, being stylish, you have to get in the roleplay for not being spotted!!

I disagree. Part of playing a video game is that you have to suspend disbelief to a certain extent. Sure, in real life it may be suspicious to see a person with a scowl on his face all the time, but it really helps make his character more credible and believable/convincing to the player. And while we're talking about realism, let's be honest. Agent 47 has a giant barcode on his head (which needless to say should never be removed). I'm usually the first person to advocate realism in games, but sometimes it's necessary for certain small things to be slightly unrealistic because it can help certain aspects along. In short, Agent 47 should always have that cold expressionless scowl on his face. Anything else would be out of character in my opinion.

Slavetothemachine
20th Jun 2015, 20:01
Also, as a little tidbit of trivia, 47 was the only one who showed any emotions out of all the other clones.
"From ages five to seven, 47 is quiet and shows little social interaction. His only display of affection went toward a runaway laboratory rabbit he adopted at August 21, 1970, displeasing Ort-Meyer. However it died on May 2, 1972. Ort-Meyer noticed 47 crying and was surprised, as he'd never seen any of his clones do so before. Five years later, he also showed affection to a pet mouse. He cared for the mouse for about a month, until it was killed by a fellow clone as a cruel prank." - Source; http://hitman.wikia.com/wiki/Agent_47

He's perfectly capable of showing emotion and facial expressions and that's a crucial part of any disguise. The only ones who he showed any attachment and actual feelings were for Diana and Victoria as shown in the ending of Absolution by watching over them from the scope of a rifle.
They hit the nail on the head with this new Hitman game, everything from 47's appearance in terms of his face from his body to his expressions and animations and now that the open areas are back along with freedom of approach and the various contracts which all seem to be more realistic this time around (usually rich, shady and just generally rich aristocrats with weird fetishes which is quite nostalgic of the targets in the previous games, like in Contracts for example) and the fact that they are timed and you only have one shot at them along with the fact that they will appear at periodic intervals will make this a genuine Hitman game and it faithfully captures the essence of how 47 is truly like. I'd give Io Interactive a bit more faith in your stead but I guess ultimately we'll have to see. Still, it's not as bad as you all make it out to be. Just take it down a notch.

stuntryder788
20th Jun 2015, 23:48
in the past I have said that Agent 47s face doesn't need changing, but I was under the impression that people was talking about the cinematic 47 but now the thing that would make me happy would be the in game 47 looking like cinematic 47 :)

Mitsuwo
21st Jun 2015, 03:20
Is it just me or 47's face GETS quickly younger when he completed his jog in the cinematic trailer: perhaps plot-related?

Slavetothemachine
22nd Jun 2015, 06:56
I disagree. Part of playing a video game is that you have to suspend disbelief to a certain extent. Sure, in real life it may be suspicious to see a person with a scowl on his face all the time, but it really helps make his character more credible and believable/convincing to the player. And while we're talking about realism, let's be honest. Agent 47 has a giant barcode on his head (which needless to say should never be removed). I'm usually the first person to advocate realism in games, but sometimes it's necessary for certain small things to be slightly unrealistic because it can help certain aspects along. In short, Agent 47 should always have that cold expressionless scowl on his face. Anything else would be out of character in my opinion.

What a bunch of bull****. Also, stop deleting posts. This is a forum, people are meant to post.

Valenka
22nd Jun 2015, 21:54
I think 47 looks fine the way he is in the new game. I actually quite like his new appearance and I hope they keep it.

Fearhome21
24th Jun 2015, 11:37
I don't get the logic that the developers use, this game is supposed to be set "AFTER ABSOLUTION" then please a mod or an actual developer explain this to us:

1: Agent 47 cut his barcode from he's head in absolution, how is it back? (makes 0 sense)
2: Why does he look way younger and less muscular?

IO step up and atleast answer the 1st question, we the fans love you but don't keep us on the dark.

Quajek
24th Jun 2015, 15:01
I don't get the logic that the developers use, this game is supposed to be set "AFTER ABSOLUTION" then please a mod or an actual developer explain this to us:

1: Agent 47 cut his barcode from he's head in absolution, how is it back? (makes 0 sense)
2: Why does he look way younger and less muscular?

IO step up and atleast answer the 1st question, we the fans love you but don't keep us on the dark.

Just because it takes place "after Absolution" doesn't mean that Absolution actually happened.

Absolution was simply a dream that 47 had. He wakes up from a nightmare at the start of H6 and says "I had a terrible nightmare I was being chased by weird fetish nuns and I went for hours through a world that only had one valid path through it and no assassination targets... it was terrible. But it was allllllll a dream."

bardachenko
24th Jun 2015, 15:41
I don't understand why many people hate Absolution. It's different from previous games, but is a very great one. And I hope that its ending is the beginning of the new Hitman. Birdie tells everything to Cosmo Faulkner about 47, starting from his past (and this is the cause of the younger face). In the same time our hero looks for Birdie and the policeman to kill them, because the first is a traitor and the second knows too much and wants to arrest him.

bardachenko
24th Jun 2015, 15:43
I think IOI interactive left that open ending (Birdie talking with Faulkner) to have a beginning for the next episode

Mayhzon
30th Jun 2015, 14:33
To be fair, if you look closely at his face in the picture comparison on page 1 in this thread, then you will see that they have been "rebooting" his face ever since the first Hitman game.

Honestly, it's not that important anyway. Not as important as IO getting the gameplay right (which so far seems to be good).

deidaraakatski
4th Jul 2015, 07:13
I think the face is fine. I cannot stand the face in Hitman 1 or 2; they just look so horrible.

deidaraakatski
4th Jul 2015, 07:21
After seeking the forums and interviews, it looks like you were right Cookie.

Hi guys!!

--> The "rebooted face":

At the first sight i was joyful to see a younger Hitman because i expected the game to be a Chronicle of his past missions, when he was at the top of his skills. But then i've heard the developers telling that the game takes place after Absolution, so i understood it wasn't a prequel, but some kind of half-reboot of the franchise.

It was kind of weird to see a younger 47 since story takes place after Absolution (his face was older but i liked it, we could feel experiment through it).

Now i'm totally understanding that since 47 is a clone he ages less than regular people, but i didn't felt like he was too old in Absolution (barely 40 years) tho.

I've always been used to see an "aged" 47, around 30-40 years. It also adds a badass side to the character (his face expressions, his look, his body) and he gives the feeling of having experience.

http://www.hitmanforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/7/7c8851b8a309db6650e64694f8835579d53da993.jpg

I think we've lost something in the process, but i guess we'll get used to it.
Plus i'm more concerned about how the sandbox gameplay will be than how 47 will look. Anyway...

---> The face expressions:

I've heard lots of people complaining about the fact that 47 was smiling in some parts of the video, or having a "cool" attitude while he is supposed to be a cold silent assassin.

But guys...THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS!!

How a professionnal Hitman can be part of a luxurious parisian party without being "in the mood"?

Imagine yourself, in the middle of everybody, you have to kill someone but not be spotted: YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME!!

Fake smiling, being stylish, you have to get in the roleplay for not being spotted!!

Imagine someone walking around, always with his mad face...suspicious as f**k.

I'm not saying 47 has emotions and stuff, just that his face expressions and stuff are part of the process to be "invisible" in a crowd, see what i mean?

http://www.hitmanforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/f/ffd03e5d2a4297bccee977a042ae4a6a984a6e85.jpg

So, what do you think about it?
I hope some people will agree with my point of view.
Thanks for reading :)

+1

ShadowLine
6th Jul 2015, 08:28
Ok ife he will look like that this is the first Hitman i dont buy for sure i will Boykote this game ife he looks like this and 2 all Who say " its 47 in his young years "
47 is a clone there is no younger him ...
Please Sqaure enix dont do this do us . I dont wanne play with a ***** !

Driber
6th Jul 2015, 08:35
and 2 all Who say " its 47 in his young years "
47 is a clone there is no younger him ...

I don't think you understand how cloning works. Clones are born as babies and then they grow up as usual.

ShadowLine
6th Jul 2015, 09:35
I don't think you understand how cloning works. Clones are born as babies and then they grow up as usual.

Did you played the second part off hitman ?

semajmarc87
9th Jul 2015, 17:54
I don't think you understand how cloning works. Clones are born as babies and then they grow up as usual.

Why has he reverse aged then? I could understand if they froze his age at mid 40s, that's what's happened in all the previous games so far and that's what most people want. Most games freeze the main character's age. But why has Agent 47 not only reverse aged, it actually looks like his age got cut in half (early 20s)? You guys merged all of the threads talking about this into a thread with a favorable title, but there are TONS of people who are not happy with Agent 47s appearance.

Driber
9th Jul 2015, 18:18
Why has he reverse aged then? I could understand if they froze his age at mid 40s, that's what's happened in all the previous games so far and that's what most people want. Most games freeze the main character's age. But why has Agent 47 not only reverse aged, it actually looks like his age got cut in half (early 20s)?

Why 47 is a lot younger in the new Hitman game is a question for the devs, not for me. I don't work on the game. I was just pointing out that cloning in general doesn't work the way ShadowLine thinks.

Personally, I'm not a fan of major lore changes in general, either. But I'll point out a fallacious argument when I see one. Heh.


You guys merged all of the threads talking about this into a thread with a favorable title, but there are TONS of people who are not happy with Agent 47s appearance.

I'd be happy to consider a possible thread title edit, but do you really think a mere title stands in the way of people voicing their negative opinions on 47's face and age? The history of this thread makes it evident that it doesn't :)

semajmarc87
9th Jul 2015, 22:15
I'd be happy to consider a possible thread title edit, but do you really think a mere title stands in the way of people voicing their negative opinions on 47's face and age? The history of this thread makes it evident that it doesn't :)

Okay. My point was just that if all the threads on this topic are merged, I think the title should be a little bit more impartial. :)

Driber
15th Jul 2015, 17:43
Okay. My point was just that if all the threads on this topic are merged, I think the title should be a little bit more impartial. :)

Alright, title edited :)

Arvin47
1st Aug 2015, 09:41
This is how I think about it:

First off, I'm not necessarily talking about his age, he can look slightly younger and I won't have any problem with that, but the problem is... it's not 47 in his youth, it's a totally different person, look at his face in the cutscene of St. stakeout mission in SA, he is young but he has his cold eyes and long head, and intimidating look. the guy looks like a ruthless and determined assassin, and that is how he should look like.

To the people who say there's more to worry about than 47's face, I completely disagree, Agent 47 is a big part of Hitman, his badassness was the first thing that caught my attention and made me fall in love with this series, and I think it's extremely important to reflect the kind of dark and dangerous character he is in his face, body and movements. I don't complain though, because I know it's alpha and things may change, but if developers are gonna keep the current character model, not to say I won't play the game but... I will be massively disappointed and HITMAN will be nowhere near the best Hitman I've ever played.

The face from the announcement trailer is awesome though, he looks quite badass there, But the 12 years old boy from gameplay doesn't seem to be able to handle a fight if he gets detected, then developers say it's 47 in his prime? huh

It seems developers have done a great job with gameplay, I don't see why they shouldn't create a badass 47 model (which is a lot easier to do than creating a great gameplay, level design etc) to deliver a complete and perfect Hitman experience.

The best 47 has ever looked!
http://www.hitmanforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c03339ada831199e2bf4a07d77c67003f679314a.png

Greig91
1st Aug 2015, 16:36
I don't think you understand how cloning works. Clones are born as babies and then they grow up as usual.

To be fair in the last mission of Hitman: Codename 47 (and possibly the first of Contracts, I forget) you do see "adult" clones being grown in giant tubes, and they aren't fully developed. Their skin is all grey and they're generally pretty messed up looking lol. So it's implied that the 48s at least were "born" fully grown.


But yeah I don't think 47 looks too bad in this game. He definitely looked best in Absolution, in my opinion, but this is fine. He looks better in some screenshots than others, and in actual gameplay he seems to look a bit older and meaner than in that official gameplay trailer that was released.

I think there are more important things to fret about, but those are for other threads. I will say though, all in all it looks to be a much better Hitman game than Absolution was.

semajmarc87
28th Oct 2015, 21:54
So, I'm confused. You said that you fixed Agent 47's appearance and that he's going to look like how he looks in the "Hitman 6 Release Details" article, but he didn't look like that in the "Welcome to Sapienza" trailer that just came out. The faces don't seem to match up. In fact, it looked like two or three different face models were used just in that one trailer. So once and for all, how is Agent 47 going to look?

http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r778/jamescram87/47person_zpsarlonvvp.png

Arvin47
29th Oct 2015, 09:53
Here's 47's new face from "Welcome to Sapienza" trailer, looks awesome to me, he is a little bit more muscular too.

http://www.hitmanforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/2/2f0a168a649fd2d3151d2ab27d8b96c0db53132d.png

http://www.hitmanforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/5/53c9f69871cafa2d03c82e62c8b016e298752f79.jpg

Thanks IO for fixing this!


So, I'm confused. You said that you fixed Agent 47's appearance and that he's going to look like how he looks in the "Hitman 6 Release Details" article, but he didn't look like that in the "Welcome to Sapienza" trailer that just came out. The faces don't seem to match up. In fact, it looked like two or three different face models were used just in that one trailer. So once and for all, how is Agent 47 going to look?

http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r778/jamescram87/47person_zpsarlonvvp.png

Not sure what you mean, there was just one face used in "welcome to Sapienza" trailer in my opinion, and it looks similar to the artwork with white background they shared a while back. They're improving the character model and what you saw in that trailer was probably the last model, I guess we'll see further changes so let's hope they won't make it worse.

The new face looks a lot better than the previous one, don't you agree?

lFerret
8th Nov 2015, 02:24
I thought 47's face in the latest trailer looked pretty good, definitely a world better than in Paris. Is it just me though, or did most of the other characters look pretty low res and a little out of place? I'm assuming it is because the game is still a work in progress, but it reminded me a lot of GTA where the environment looks fantastic but the characters just don't seem to match and look too old school.

Or perhaps the Witcher 3 has spoilt me for character models as they were unbelievable in that game...