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3dot14hole
15th May 2015, 17:55
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Deus Ex: Mankind Divided - Adam Jensen 2.0 Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCkNwllUOQY&feature=youtu.be)


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Adam Jensen is the next step in human evolution. In Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, he is now an experienced covert operative, forced to operate in a world that has grown to despise his kind. Armed with a new arsenal of state-of-the-art weapons and augmentations, he must choose the right approach, along with who to trust, in order to unravel a vast worldwide conspiracy. This new in-game trailer highlights the Titan shield, as well as his new gun-arm augmentations: the Tesla, the Nanoblade and the PEPS.

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Character Reveal: Vaclav Koller, dealer of controversial augmentations


Vaclav Koller is an underground augmentation specialist in Prague who does not shy away from controversial augmentations. He is a brilliant, eccentric, fast-talking engineer who has performed extensive self-augmentation.
Koller has dealings with many of the different factions in the city, including organized crime, and for an unknown reason has the protection of the Dvali Crime family in Prague.


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Deus Ex: Mankind Divided's head writer "wanted to kill" Adam Jensen (http://www.gamesradar.com/deus-ex-mankind-divideds-lead-writer-wanted-kill-adam-jensen/)


Adam Jensen is the Deus Ex series' first returning lead character, which brings new challenges for the writers (not least, having to canonise an ending). So many challenges, it seems, that Jensen could well have been killed off before Mankind Divided started.

In an interview with GamesRadar last week, executive narrative director, Mary DeMarle explained, "when we started Mankind Divided we knew he was coming back, but when we finished Human Revolution we didn’t know he was coming back!" Executive art director, Jonathan Jacques-Belletête simplifies that a little:

"She wanted to kill him! I thought she was crazy! At first I was like 'All my work! God damn!' It’s so freaking hard to create an iconic hero in this industry, it just kind of happened by magic, so I was like “Mary! What are you doing?”


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Far Cry Primal and Deus Ex: Mankind Divided have one guy in common (http://www.gamesradar.com/far-cry-primal-and-deus-ex-mankind-divided-have-one-guy-common/)


Elias Toufexis, who plays Adam Jensen in Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, will also play the lead role in Far Cry Primal...
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IMBD - Latest voice actor/cast list (as at June 2016)
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4614906/)


Elias Toufexis - Adam Jensen
Cristina Rosato - Shadowchild


Rest of cast listed alphabetically:
Julian Bailey - Vlasta
Kim Bubbs - Eliza Cassan
Eric Craig - Various
Jason Deline - Police Officer / Additional Voices
Mylène Dinh-Robic - Delara
Dawn Ford - Masa
Karl Graboshas - Koller
Hamza Haq - Additional Voices
Paul Hopkins - Manderly
Alex Ivanovici - Dr. Talos Rucker
Jessica Kardos - Additional Voices
Tristan D. Lalla - Additional Voices
Olivier Lamarche - K




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Latest cast list (October 2015)

IMDB site has updated the cast and characters:
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4614906/)



Elias Toufexis - Adam Jensen
Vernon Wells - ?
Neil Napier - Mocap
Ivan Sherry - Various
Alex Ivanovici - Dr. Talos Rucker
Dawn Ford - Masa
Karl Graboshas - Koller
Tim Post - Czeck Policeman
Patricia Summersett - Various
Jason Deline - Police Officer, Various
Tristan D. Lalla - Various
Carlo Mestroni - Radich
Chimwemwe Miller - Elias Chikane
Jessica Kardos - Various
Olivier Lamarche - K




At time of writing, we have the following voice actors/characters for MD, according to IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4614906/)


Elias Toufexis - Adam Jensen
Neil Napier - Mocap
Alex Ivanovici - Dr. Talos Rucker
Ivan Sherry - Various
Dawn Ford - Masa
Patricia Summersett - Various
Tristan D. Lalla - Various
Chimwemwe Miller - Elias Chikane
Olivier Lamarche - K
Jessica Kardos - Various
Nadia Verrucci - Various
Eric Craig - Various

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DX:MD will have a New Game+ mode and Vernon Wells (http://www.pcgamer.com/deus-ex-mankind-divided-will-have-a-new-game-mode-and-vernon-wells)

The best part about it (at least to me) is the news that Australian actor Vernon Wells will voice one of the game's characters. Wells is a stalwart sci-fi villain, probably best known for playing Wez in The Road Warrior and Bennett in Commando. He also seems to have something of a dire view of the future, saying that Mankind Divided "is like something that could actually happen in the maybe not-so-distant future."

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Was gonna be a Poll, I'm not in a position to create one:

- Faridah Malik
- Francis
- Megan Reed
- David Sarif
- Other (Please State)

Malik for me is key, if not Francis would be good.

xaduha3
15th May 2015, 19:26
I bet some characters from TML are more likely to be present in MD, rather than someone from the HR.

Garvin Quinn - maybe. Gary Savage, Janus - both are likely. But I don't think I particularly want anyone to return.

vallux
15th May 2015, 20:52
Stephen Shellen. As himself.

Irate_Iguana
16th May 2015, 12:18
Reed was pretty underdeveloped in HR and left us with a lot of questions. If the story for MD allows them to gives us a bit more information on her and her motivations in HR I'd be fine with it. She doesn't need to come back for me.

I liked Malik and I wouldn't be too upset if she returned. She is just a pilot and an info-terminal and not critical to the story. She could be the pilot for Task Force 29 (I doubt that Jensen will there very long), but that role could be filled by anyone.

Wouldn't care if Pritchard made a cameo. He worked for Sarif Industries and as such had interaction with Jensen. His role is done and it is time for someone else to be the infolink botherer.

Mostly I just want to see them avoid creating too small a world. We already had Bob Page as the central figure behind the Illuminati's desire to get a grip on augmentations. That makes sense since at this point he leads MJ12 as a section of the Illuminati. They also had to put in Morgan Everett (CEO of the Montreal branch of Picus TV), Lucius DeBeers (directly mailing Sarif instead of playing it more secretive), Elizabeth DuClare (mails in Picus mistakingly attributed to Nicolette), and Gary Savage (OCM Project researcher in TML). There is no need for all the old faces to come back. It just makes it feel like nothing happens in the world. The idea that the Illuminati is behind it all is nice, but they work via proxies. The Illuminati is scary because they cold be anyone and are everywhere. This reliance on a few familiar names makes it sound like all there is to the Illuminati are the council of five and a researcher.

3dot14hole
16th May 2015, 23:55
I liked all of the supporting characters, they bought something different to the table.

With Pritchard, it was a love-hate relationship (with the emphasis on hate), but as the game progressed, I really did warm to him.

Sarif and Megan never had much of a role, like Irate said Megan was an underdeveloped character, if she was to return, she could have a more fleshed out role. I wouldn't be bothered if they didn't make an appearance in the game, they could get disclosure of their aftermaths.

I'd like to see Malik return, she's too good of a character not to have a role in Deus Ex.

I wouldn't want to see character return for the sake of it. Come to think of it, wouldn't it be cool to play as Malik in a side mission?

Shralla
17th May 2015, 01:05
I was actually thinking today about how Sarif wasn't really a defined character in any way. Then again, neither was anybody but Adam, pretty much. It seems like you should know a little bit about Sarif's personal life and the type of man he is, but as it stands he's just a friendly boss archetype.

Dvaythavvar
17th May 2015, 23:38
I quite liked Malik. She was easy going and fun character. And differed a lot from average woman normally portrayed in games. But i do not see her returning regarding particular part of HR and possible outcomes. I personally did not fan Francis much. I really wish i could punt him some point of game. While at end he did gain the bonus points of being nice, but I am not keen on always nagging characters.

But I would also like to see new crew - with their own stories to be discovered. I'd be easy either way.

3dot14hole
18th May 2015, 22:30
Stephen Shellen - what happened to him?

BTW: He pronounces the game as - DUS Ex

ZakKa89
19th May 2015, 22:56
Not particulary looking forward to a return of most of the characters, most were pretty bland.
I would love to see Faridah return though

Shralla
20th May 2015, 00:25
I hope Dubai is a city hub, but I'm not holding my breath.

APostLife
20th May 2015, 11:32
None. I don't find most HR characters memorable. Proabably a reference to some, but they would have to step up their writing if they want existing characters to be any good. Better to have a bunch of new ones.

DaedalusIcarusHelios
20th May 2015, 18:39
I don't think Malik is coming back, just because she can die (and maybe did for most players). We already have confirmation that there is another pilot, so I don't think bringing her back would make sense or is necessary.

I think Megan's story really needs to be filled in, so I hope that she returns. Although I guess that doesn't necessarily mean as players we need to see her, but rather that Jensen is able to find out some info on her to better understand her motives. Maybe some disinformation could also be discovered to further confuse Jensen and make the truth more ambiguous that leads the player to decide one way or the other what is the truth.

Sarif had a sub, so it's very plausible that he was able to escape. I don't know if Sarif Industries as a company might survive the anti-aug backlash, but it'd be interesting to see what happens with the company, even if it's just through news reports of how the stock has fallen or if they were able to pivot to other areas.

Pritchard might be good for a cameo. He was a pretty good hacker/security guy, so it's plausible he might contact Jensen after discovering he's still alive.

As for other characters, Tracer Tong has been in all the games, but I don't know if it would make sense for him to show up yet in the game world. I think he'd be more underground at this point and wouldn't have a connection with Jensen anyway. It would be good to see Ben Saxon and Anna Kelso directly come into contact with Jensen. Quinn and Janus would be good ones too. Since Gunther is in the Icarus Effect, I'd like to see him included in some way. Does he head up the new version of the Tyrants prior to becoming part of Unatco many years later?

3dot14hole
22nd May 2015, 00:31
We already have confirmation that there is another pilot...



Can you provide a link for this?

AgentExeider
22nd May 2015, 06:12
I would love it if it was possible to reach out to the previous characters of HR, I felt that for Jensen: Sarif, Prichard, Megan and Malik were the closest friends he's had both before and since his "rebirth", I believe having the ability to reach out to these people would make the universe feel more connected between the two games.

Course, I'm of the opinion that after this misadventure as a government agent, Jensen should go back to work for Sarif. Plus I want to know what happened to Wayne Haas, is he working at Sarif or not, has he gotten his life back together

I've played enough dystopian games and watched enough movies/read enough books to know that in these kind of universes, the government is LAST place you want to find yourself. Better to "corp up", the health plan is usually better.

Siddhartha_
22nd May 2015, 11:13
Really the only returning character from HR that I want to see play a significant role in MD is Megan Reed, strictly because I want to know more about what her intentions were/are. Any other character doesn't really interest me, except maybe Malik, but it's already been confirmed that she won't be returning in MD. There's a part of me that'd like to see Sarif in MD, but I have a hunch that he doesn't survive the events at Panchea.

Irate_Iguana
22nd May 2015, 16:27
Can you provide a link for this?

The magazine that leaked MD had a screenshot of a page with a few characters on them. Among them was a black man in a pilot suit similar to Malik. He was described as the pilot. I can't find that page on the internet anymore.

handgriffsorgfaeltig
22nd May 2015, 17:09
i never hid my affection...

http://i.imgur.com/og0kJzY.jpg


...i don't care how it will be done: zombified reanimation, flashbacks, never before known twin-sister with obvious similar augmentations...just make it happen !

3dot14hole
23rd May 2015, 12:31
The magazine that leaked MD had a screenshot of a page with a few characters on them. Among them was a black man in a pilot suit similar to Malik. He was described as the pilot. I can't find that page on the internet anymore.

Well at least they're not bringing back people for the sake of it, but Jensen should have stayed in touch with Malik, lol!

Avenging_Teabag
28th May 2015, 06:55
I'd very much like for Quinn to make a reappearance. His storyline was interesting and he was... quite colorful as a character. I'm banking on at least one of TML characters playing some part in MD, if not Quinn than Janus for sure. The ending of TML all but stated that outright. If any of the Sarif Ind. folks is gonna came back the logical choice would be Pritchard as he's the only one who stays alive no matter what. Personaly, I'd like for the boss himself to make at least a cameo, he was the best character in Human Revolution and yeah, we know that his company went under, but he was a semi-major player in the Panchaea disaster, so it's conceivable that he retains some influence or information. I'd very much prefer if they keep away from the asinine conspiracy porridge tho.

I'd also like to meet Zelazny again, tho i know it's a pipe dream. He was too minor of a character and he could be dead.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
31st May 2015, 12:15
i never hid my affection...
...i don't care how it will be done: zombified reanimation, flashbacks, never before known twin-sister with obvious similar augmentations...just make it happen !

You really ought to join my friends list. :cool: :naughty:

handgriffsorgfaeltig
1st Jun 2015, 02:55
You really ought to join my friends list. :cool: :naughty:

brothers / sisters / transhumans in crime...what a lovely thought ^^.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
2nd Jun 2015, 15:39
What "crime" do you speak of? :eek:

JCpies
2nd Jun 2015, 19:59
Stephen Shellen. As himself.

Hear hear.

I want to see a haggard and homeless David Sarif as an easter egg/cameo. Like he's homeless and got brain damage from oxygen deprivation and he's just a hobo on the street.

That and I want to see Pritchard again. He's probably become a shut-in since HR.

handgriffsorgfaeltig
3rd Jun 2015, 10:01
What "crime" do you speak of? :eek:

nothing that could ever be proven...^^


... and I want to see Pritchard again. He's probably become a shut-in since HR.

i really hope he had a backup plan...took his toy out of his office and is out there somwhere...

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24fwfqJxI1rremapo1_250.gif

SquareWastesMyTime
3rd Jun 2015, 20:06
Megan Reed for sure. That is a large dangling thread that really needs a satisfying ending. The Missing Link fleshed out her story some more, but I still didn't feel like there was any real closure between her and Adam.

Shralla
3rd Jun 2015, 20:34
The closure happened before the game even started and Adam should have gotten the hell over it.

ChengisKhan1155
4th Jun 2015, 14:51
Bob Page. Hope to see him at last!

SquareWastesMyTime
5th Jun 2015, 15:39
The closure happened before the game even started and Adam should have gotten the hell over it.

Not really sure what you're getting at, since she didn't actually die, so...yeah. Not really.

Megan's motivations were unclear, and the final scene between the two of them was awkward and didn't really offer a lot of clarity. It felt like the setup for a real ending between the two of them that never came.

Shralla
5th Jun 2015, 15:41
I'm talking about the closure on the relationship. They broke up well before the game started, and Adam being a pathetic puppy and chasing her all around the world as though she still gave any kind of a **** about him got hugely in the way of my enjoyment of the rest of the story that was much more interesting.

SquareWastesMyTime
5th Jun 2015, 16:20
I don't care about closure of their romantic relationship. I never really took Adam's search for Megan as being driven by some desire to reconnect with her. But he was still her friend, and the game structured so that a lot seemed to be riding on finding her...and then it just fizzled. I just want a better ending to that story.

Avenging_Teabag
8th Jun 2015, 07:17
I'm talking about the closure on the relationship. They broke up well before the game started, and Adam being a pathetic puppy and chasing her all around the world as though she still gave any kind of a **** about him got hugely in the way of my enjoyment of the rest of the story that was much more interesting.

"Chasing her" was 1. his job and 2. something that any decent person would do in his place. No matter if they had been at some point romantically involved or not, she was not a stranger to Adam. That subplot was overall terribly done, and Megan... well, let's say I would be happy to never see her face again, but Adam was searching for her not solely because of their past relationship.

68_pie
8th Jun 2015, 13:25
We (the player) never had a reason to care about Megan.

Avenging_Teabag
10th Jun 2015, 12:01
Yeah, we haven't. That's one of the reasons why it was a terribly executed plot idea.

Salfurium
11th Jun 2015, 09:50
Eliza Cassan as AI. I want to know what the Illuminati did to make sure she doesn't decide to help someone opposed to the Illuminati again and if she is able to circumvent these measures.
Also Quinn. The ending of The Missing Link already hinted at the Juggernauts.

Cyberhuman
16th Jun 2015, 22:42
I think Eliza and Megan will return, because both of them are still very relevant. Megan is probably in some capacity involved with the Illuminati, and Eliza kind of serves as a conspiracy hub.

JJMikhail
16th Jun 2015, 23:36
I know we all want the old characters to reappear but just remember this is only some years after HR and there will be more Deus Ex games.

The producers, story writers, game designers etc just need to be patient as we will be, slowly unravelling the story and world of Deus Ex.

I get the feeling someone like David Sarif won't make an appearance in this one, neither will Megan Reed but in the next few ones down the road we can see them come through.

However we want less of these stories because no one gives a F about it. Next it will be more LGBT characters, in the game the conspiracy is the headline and the story not whether we get to see female characters. Deus Ex Invisible War allowed you to play as a male or female character, give it up already.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/16/deus-ex-mankind-divided-women/

Lady_Of_The_Vine
17th Jun 2015, 09:38
DX:MD Voice Actors/Characters (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4614906/) - according to IMDB:

Elias Toufexis - Adam Jensen
Tristan D. Lalla - various
Nadia Verrucci - various
Jessica Kardos - various
Olivier Lamarche - K
Eric Craig - various

Avenging_Teabag
17th Jun 2015, 09:49
God, I'm tired of this "women women women" endless song and dance. Those are not women, they are polygons on the screen, the only people concerned about that bs are those who can't tell fiction apart from reality.

Ugh.

ilweran
17th Jun 2015, 13:16
Why shouldn't women be represented more in games? iirc, we do make up slightly more than 50% of the population.

Anyway, I'd rather not see Reed or Pritchard in the game, but some hints somewhere about them would be good - maybe some hackers email could refer to Nucl3arsnake or something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if both Malik and Sarif are considered dead.

CyberP
17th Jun 2015, 15:42
Why shouldn't women be represented more in games? iirc, we do make up slightly more than 50% of the population..

It shouldn't be done for meta reasons. If devs see their concepts being better suited to a female role, fine. Doing it "just because women aren't represented in games much" is your reason, then you can ******* resign as a game dev.

Also, gaming is a male-dominated hobby. Personally I'd prefer it stay that way, because I want males to cater with content I can stereo-typically relate to (action, for example) as has been the standard since the industry's inception, and I don't feel like sharing ;). we've got a enough problems on our plate as is, case in point: the new DX:MD. Doesn't look too promising AT ALL.

Back off feminists.

Salfurium
17th Jun 2015, 16:14
If devs see their concepts being better suited to a female role, fine.
Then of course the question is "what is a female role?".

Hell the game wouldn't change at all if genders were assigned to characters by coin flips. I don't care about a characters gender, I want a cool story (and some stealth).
On the other hand I didn't notice the absence of female characters in HRs combat scenes (other than Federova) until it was pointed out by the press after MD was announced.

CyberP
17th Jun 2015, 18:26
Then of course the question is "what is a female role?".

What a ridiculous question. How about a pregnant mother to-be?

:/



On the other hand I didn't notice the absence of female characters in HRs combat scenes (other than Federova) until it was pointed out by the press after MD was announced.

And? Military roles worldwide are overwhelmingly a male occupation. I don't see that changing any time soon.

Cyberhuman
17th Jun 2015, 18:54
And? Military roles worldwide are overwhelmingly a male occupation. I don't see that changing any time soon.

Feminists are misguided pseudo intellectuals, spinning a relentless ultra-liberal narrative through the media. They don't accept facts, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone actually tried to dispute your claim.

They are always looking for ways to fit an Elephant into a glass jar, but hopefully they won't be able to corrupt the video game industry. We already have more than enough problems to deal with.

vallux
17th Jun 2015, 19:06
They are always looking for ways to fit an Elephant into a glass jar, but hopefully they won't be able to corrupt the video game industry. We already have more than enough problems to deal with.

I dunno. Seems like everytime I browse reddit all I see is "feminists" or SJW's or trans-whatever-their-preferred-pronouns and like F22 Raptorkins or something or other acting really gosh darn silly. Everything is is so correct and oppressive and phobic and whatever have you. I'm like can't you just make and play videogames without all this crap. I mean, I can - but everyone else.

Though I'm not sure I've actually seen real feminists, just Sarkeesian.

More on topic, I just want Stephen Shellen as Adam Jensen as David Sarif going Adammmmmmm. The Illuminati

Cyberhuman
17th Jun 2015, 19:36
I dunno. Seems like everytime I browse reddit all I see is "feminists" or SJW's or trans-whatever-their-preferred-pronouns and like F22 Raptorkins or something or other acting really gosh darn silly. Everything is is so correct and oppressive and phobic and whatever have you. I'm like can't you just make and play videogames without all this crap.[/B][/I]

Yes, the atmosphere has become really toxic and the feminist narrative has infiltrated all areas of public discourse. You can't speak out against feminism without being labeled a misogynist.

I wonder if any of the big guys (Illuminati) will be featured in Mankind Divided?

Salfurium
17th Jun 2015, 20:01
I wonder if any of the big guys (Illuminati) will be featured in Mankind Divided?
I seriously hope so. Would it even be a Deus Ex without them?

Cyberhuman
17th Jun 2015, 20:52
I seriously hope so. Would it even be a Deus Ex without them?

I don't know. I guess I'm thinking about the big names from the original Deus Ex. We know BP was featured in Human Revolution, maybe we'll see another big name this time around.

Salfurium
17th Jun 2015, 21:31
Unfortunately I am not too familiar with the story of the original Deus Ex but I have some ideas.
SPOILERS AHEAD as it should be expected in a thread discussing returning characters.

Morgan Everett was mentioned as CEO of Picus, Manderley as the FEMA Admin and Beth DuClare as WHO spokesperson. Savage was the mastermind behind the Hyron project in The Missing Link.
MD doesn't play in the US so I think Manderley is out. DuClare doesn't seem very important for the setting. Savage is just a scientist at the time.
That leaves Everett and/or Page. It might also be about someone new, but it already gets a little crowded up there so I hope they try to mold the stories together.
At the same time we see the introduction of a "counter organization" to the Illuminati continuing the plot from The Missing Link.
Something I also wonder is how they are going to make the Morpheus Initiative work when Eliza is already present. Morpheus seems so much smaller than Eliza.

FrankCSIS
18th Jun 2015, 00:39
Something I also wonder is how they are going to make the Morpheus Initiative work when Eliza is already present. Morpheus seems so much smaller than Eliza.

You know, we talked a lot about how the setting and the technology in general felt a lot more advanced in HR than in DX, but I don't think I ever stopped to look at this angle of the problem. And, indeed, it seems like the biggest issue of all. Eliza is way too advanced for Morpheus to even matter, and for Elios to be the ultimate project/threat Eliza already monitors everything and intervenes on all fronts on her own.

Shralla
18th Jun 2015, 05:36
God, I'm tired of this "women women women" endless song and dance. Those are not women, they are polygons on the screen, the only people concerned about that bs are those who can't tell fiction apart from reality.

Or, more likely, they're people who understand the purpose and cultural significance of art. Which you clearly do not.


It shouldn't be done for meta reasons. If devs see their concepts being better suited to a female role, fine. Doing it "just because women aren't represented in games much" is your reason, then you can ******* resign as a game dev.

Wanting to tell a story about a woman because they are criminally underrepresented in the medium and you think there is something you can do to fix that is a completely legitimate reason to want to do so. Underrepresentation in media is a huge issue. Anybody who doesn't think so is clearly ignorant to the impact and cyclical nature of such things in our society.


Feminists are misguided pseudo intellectuals, spinning a relentless ultra-liberal narrative through the media. They don't accept facts, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone actually tried to dispute your claim.

They are always looking for ways to fit an Elephant into a glass jar, but hopefully they won't be able to corrupt the video game industry. We already have more than enough problems to deal with.

What the **** am I reading? Grow up and get a reality check, holy ****.


Yes, the atmosphere has become really toxic and the feminist narrative has infiltrated all areas of public discourse. You can't speak out against feminism without being labeled a misogynist.

You get labeled a misogynist when you are blatantly ignorant to everything outside your own narrow perspective of the world, as you so obviously are. What you consider a "toxic atmosphere" is a joke compared to what women have faced in trying to gain footing in industries like video games. What you're complaining about isn't even a thing. You just can't handle that anybody different than you could possible want or god forbid demand any kind of representation that even comes close to what you already have, and so you cry about it like a child. How dare somebody else want the same things that you've literally always had?

CyberP
18th Jun 2015, 06:14
A wild male feminist appears!

http://media.giphy.com/media/GjYjLvGErsggg/giphy.gif

...Eh OK:


Underrepresentation in media is a huge issue.

:lol:

On the admittedly somewhat subjective scale of relevance it is probably less relevant than video games themselves.

There are reasons why males dominate the industry on both sides of the market, one of them being that it was built by them. I don't remember reading up on history of a bunch of girls programming games out of their garages and basements, save for one or two anomalies (accompanied by a male or a few). If women want in they should be able to do so but like military careers I don't see the scales shifting the other way any time soon.


Anybody who doesn't think so is clearly ignorant to the impact and cyclical nature of such things in our society.

Such a huge issue. Tears are shed worldwide. :lol:
Yes, society drums into our heads that we have our roles to play defined by class, gender and such, yet there is inherent biology at play too which defined those roles to begin with.
I'll defend a women's right to enter the industry (despite a personal preference for the majority to stay away) or be a gamer, but I'm not going to kick up a fuss, whine to devs about misrepresentation and/or a general underrepresentation of women (or Blacks, Asians, whatever) beyond that.

Avenging_Teabag
18th Jun 2015, 08:05
Or, more likely, they're people who understand the purpose and cultural significance of art. Which you clearly do not.
Reality influences fiction, not the other way around. Most adult, well adjusted people without severe psychological issues understand this and are perfectly capable of separating the two. Most of them also have no problem relating to characters whose sets of private parts don't exactly match theirs.

Underrepresentation in media is a huge issue. Anybody who doesn't think so is clearly ignorant to the impact and cyclical nature of such things in our society.Oh dear. Dearie, dearie me. The first world and your cute first world problems.


Wanting to tell a story about a woman because they are criminally underrepresented in the medium and you think there is something you can do to fix that is a completely legitimate reason to want to do so. That's actually a recipe for a ****ty story. A story about a woman should be done when the story demands that, same as for men. Shoving a woman into a story because representation produces unchewable, stomach turning pap. Besides, there's a crapton of stories about women in this medium already, and more are being made every year, they are just by and large not in the genres your types would like them to be in.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
18th Jun 2015, 11:30
Apparently there are 'meninists' as well as 'feminists'... ;)

Both pointless labels that fail to represent an individual's views and thus only serve to divide and hinder progress. As with anything else, views are not the problem - the labels are.

Neither feminism or meninism is about men/women taking control and becoming superior; its really about attaining balance and gender equality.

68_pie
18th Jun 2015, 13:25
snip

You really are the worst


That's actually a recipe for a ****ty story. A story about a woman should be done when the story demands that, same as for men. Shoving a woman into a story because representation produces unchewable, stomach turning pap. Besides, there's a crapton of stories about women in this medium already, and more are being made every year, they are just by and large not in the genres your types would like them to be in.

Flip you're argument around and you'll see how stupid it is. A story about a man should be done when the story demands it. If you cannot justify it, then use a female character/differently gendered character because they are underrepresented.


Apparently there are 'meninists' as well as 'feminists'... ;)

Both pointless labels that fail to represent an individual's views and thus only serve to divide and hinder progress. As with anything else, views are not the problem - the labels are.

Neither feminism or meninism is about men/women taking control and becoming superior; its really about attaining balance and gender equality.

Wut? There is no such thing as "meninism".

There is feminism (equality) and there is people being idiots.

vallux
18th Jun 2015, 13:26
Something something the Omar can help you with this.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
18th Jun 2015, 13:59
There is no such thing as "meninism".
Sure there is, aka Men against feminism. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25462758) :D

Hehe. Anyway, note my use of the word apparently and, as previously stated, its just another label.



Something something the Omar can help you with this.
Absolutely. Choose balance and equality... always. :cool:

CyberP
18th Jun 2015, 15:29
you're the worst.

I'm such a despicable pig. An oppressor of the poor helpless ladies that need their desperate white knights to come to their rescue :lol:


A story about a man should be done when the story demands it. If you cannot justify it, then use a female character/differently gendered character because they are underrepresented.

No, you tool, there is no such reasoning needed either way. You create a character concept because it is most suited to the story/setting/gameplay/whatever. If you're using such reasoning for the primary inspiration of your character concepts, fine, but it makes you a massive ***got.
Feminists (shallow liberals): Isn't it about time those of you that stand for equality start representing that cause a little better, starting with fighting for black people and transgenders to be better represented in vidja games :lol: Your cause itself is being entirely misrepresented by the majority out there. Should take notes from Viktoria, who just states repeated desire for equality despite knowing full well it is a futile cause that only extreme measures can solve (Omar).

Avenging_Teabag
18th Jun 2015, 16:16
Flip you're argument around and you'll see how stupid it is. A story about a man should be done when the story demands it. If you cannot justify it, then use a female character/differently gendered character because they are underrepresented.Yes, it's true the other way around, what exactly is stupid or controversial about this? If your story is a supernatural story set in a 19 century sewing workshop (an example), you better have a good reason for your main char being a man. If you can't justify that, yes, better use a woman. Point is, use this character because it makes sense in the context of the story, not for asinine reasons such as representation. And wtf is "differently gendered"?

Lady_Of_The_Vine
18th Jun 2015, 17:46
Should take notes from Viktoria, who just states repeated desire for equality despite knowing full well it is a futile cause that only extreme measures can solve (Omar).

Any "extreme measures" Omar (humans) take are for the purpose of helping humanity survive harsh, toxic environments on Earth (created by man) and/or on other planets. :p

Cyberhuman
18th Jun 2015, 17:48
What the **** am I reading? Grow up and get a reality check, holy ****.

You get labeled a misogynist when you are blatantly ignorant to everything outside your own narrow perspective of the world, as you so obviously are. What you consider a "toxic atmosphere" is a joke compared to what women have faced in trying to gain footing in industries like video games. What you're complaining about isn't even a thing. You just can't handle that anybody different than you could possible want or god forbid demand any kind of representation that even comes close to what you already have, and so you cry about it like a child. How dare somebody else want the same things that you've literally always had?

You're making a lot of assumptions about me and my opinions. I reject western feminism as an ideology in the 21st century. The only thing we need is humanism, a belief in human rights and in equality for everyone, regardless of race or gender. We don't need a toxic political ideology that poisons public discourse and completely ignores the plight of men. I want woman to have the same rights as men, and I welcome women with open arms into the video game industry. What I don't want is a pervasive feminist narrative that will inevitably stifle creativity and artistic expression.

They talk about equality, but feminism today has nothing to do with equality:

The crime and incarceration rate among men are unbelievably high, while women barely register in comparison. Among the homeless population 84% of them are men. Suicide rates among men are very high compared to the suicide rate among women. Men are losing out in education, across the board, from primary and secondary school, high school and higher education.

We never talk about this, because the feminist narrative has poisoned public discourse, to the point where if you don't identify as a feminist, you'll be shamed into submission and eventually ostracized from the public sphere. Feminism was a very important movement in the 19th century and a large part of the 20th century. This movement has no place in the 21st century. Let's plant that flag where it's actually needed, like Africa and in the Middle East.

I wonder who might need a reality check, and maybe do some research. By the way, if you want to make an argument, don't resort to personal attacks (ad hominem), because that will actually invalidate the argument.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
18th Jun 2015, 20:31
The only thing we need is humanism, a belief in human rights and in equality for everyone, regardless of race or gender.
This. :thumbsup:

Irate_Iguana
18th Jun 2015, 20:59
**** me sideways. Tumblr arguments. Tumblr arguments everywhere.

FrankCSIS
19th Jun 2015, 00:30
No matter how anyone feels about this, I always found this very lengthy article on the pre-Nintendo history of videogames to be quite fascinating on the issue of why boys play more games than girls today, or at least why Nintendo felt that way. A good read, relatively objective, if you have the time. I know it's from Polygon and all that Jazz. But it digs into the history of marketing, post-videogame-crash, and the interference of management who had nothing to do with making games, and their influence on the early development of the industry's revival.

http://www.polygon.com/features/2013/12/2/5143856/no-girls-allowed


While the article explores a lot more, I'd personally like to add that the era many of us here consider the Golden Age of gaming, was a decade where creators and developers had a lot of room to grow. This same clique spawned titles that topped the charts, in many ways thanks to an overwhelming female audience. But most importantly, they created games like No One Lives Forever, Deus Ex, Fallout 1-2, Grim Fandango, Full Throttle, where the quality of the writing ensured gender was nowhere near an issue. So if you read this article, and if you look at what happens today, the trend is (and always was) that gender becomes an issue when marketing and business gets involved, and when creators are forced to the side.

Some excerpts:


The video game industry created something of a chicken-and-egg situation[...]Where in fact, the nonexistence of the audience was a self-fulfilling prophecy[...] In wake of the video game crash, the game industry's pursuit of a safe and reliable market led to it homing in on the young male. And so the advertising campaigns began. The Nintendo Entertainment System was targeted toward boys under 10. If you look at the Super NES five years later, it starts targeting boys ages 10-15. So we're seeing this natural progression of the idea of once you're a gamer, you're always a gamer.


"With the popularity of shooters, maybe we say, 'Well, men play shooters and then shooters are the most popular game,' then we can take this logical leap to say 'Men play video games and it's predominantly men."'

But Romero points out that if we go back to fall 1993, two significant things happened in gaming. One is the release of Doom, which heralded the start of the male-dominated first-person shooter genre. The other, in the same year, is the launch of Myst, which had an overwhelmingly female player base. "Myst dominated the charts, and we don't say games are dominated by women," Romero says. "So I've never felt that way. The Sims has more female players than it has male players, but I don't use those statistics to paint all of games."

In fact, the 1990s is filled with exceptions. There's Tetris on the Game Boy, which was popular with both men and women. Tim Schafer's LucasArts adventure games perform well across the board, demographically. Sim City was more popular with women than it was with men.

ilweran
19th Jun 2015, 10:58
I seem to recall the original Tomb Raider was popular with women and it was certainly the first 3d game I was in to - although we had Wolfenstein, Blake Stone (you didn't have to shoot everyone! You could 'talk' to the scientists) and Doom they never really caught my interest as I liked platformers, I remember playing the original Duke Nukem.

Thing is girls and women do play games - I've been playing computer games since my dad bought a ZX81 back in the early 80's, probably when I was about 5. Then we had an Acorn Electron and a BBC Micro and all my friends were playing as well, we used to have massively long Chuckie Egg or Frogger sessions. Even now most of the women I know play something, though admittedly it's more likely to be casual mobile games. Don't know any other Deus Ex obsessives in real life though, male or female.

xaduha3
19th Jun 2015, 11:32
My younger sister played Deus Ex from start to finish, I think it was the first game she ever did.

What are we talking about here, exactly?

Lady_Of_The_Vine
19th Jun 2015, 12:50
What are we talking about here, exactly?

Good question. Stereotypical nonsense, it seems. :D

Cyberhuman
19th Jun 2015, 17:01
What do we think about the characters that has been revealed so far?

https://www.deusex.com/characters/dx-md

Irate_Iguana
20th Jun 2015, 11:19
What do we think about the characters that has been revealed so far?

https://www.deusex.com/characters/dx-md

They aren't breaking any new ground. Looks-wise they're fine.

Cyberhuman
21st Jun 2015, 19:45
From what I've seen it looks like Alex Vega might be AJ's new Infolink partner.

I believe Eliza might have an important role to play in MD, when we consider what Jensen is actually after; the Illuminati. I hope we'll see more communication between the two of them. They already have a special bond, since Adam might be the only one who's aware that she's an AGI. The Illuminati is aware of course, but they might not know that she has developed sentience, and that could potentially give Adam the advantage.

Irate_Iguana
22nd Jun 2015, 16:45
From what I've seen it looks like Alex Vega might be AJ's new Infolink partner.

Elias was doing most of the talking in the demo. Since he is the new pilot there is a good chance that he'll be one of the major infolink partners. Alex is Jensen's connection to the Janus Collective. As such she'll be another one of the major infolink partners. I'm hoping we'll be meeting face to face more in MD and doing less infolinking.



I believe Eliza might have an important role to play in MD, when we consider what Jensen is actually after; the Illuminati. I hope we'll see more communication between the two of them. They already have a special bond, since Adam might be the only one who's aware that she's an AGI. The Illuminati is aware of course, but they might not know that she has developed sentience, and that could potentially give Adam the advantage.

Just a bit of Wild Mass Guessing, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if she is Janus, or at least behind the Janus Collective. She opposed the Illuminati in HR despite being controlled by them. It wouldn't be the first time that a DX protagonist did the bidding of an AI.

I do wonder where they'll go with the whole AI bit. She's still a newsreader in MD. It would be weird for Adam to not comment on that.

Cyberhuman
23rd Jun 2015, 19:38
Just a bit of Wild Mass Guessing, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if she is Janus, or at least behind the Janus Collective. She opposed the Illuminati in HR despite being controlled by them. It wouldn't be the first time that a DX protagonist did the bidding of an AI.

Yes, that's interesting. The Juggernaut Collective is struggling to counteract the Illuminati. Janus is apparently the leader of this organization, so I guess he (or she? or it?) will play a key role in the next two installments, assuming this is a trilogy.

However, I think it's more interesting if Eliza is actually an AI created by the Illuminati, and that this AI has developed sentience.

NUMBER8ISGREAT
23rd Jun 2015, 21:17
What do we think about the characters that has been revealed so far?

https://www.deusex.com/characters/dx-md

Nothing new. The characters look good but until I learn more about their motivations and how they tie into the story, it's nothing new or a wait and see approach. However, they should be ashamed of having the Director's Cut on that site. They disassociated themselves from the players who begged them to fix the broken mess and now they want a cash grab and put it on the site like it's the best thing since sliced bread.

Siddhartha_
24th Jun 2015, 02:23
What the **** is even going on in this thread? People on these forums have this bizarre impulse to go off on irrelevant tangents. What a shame.

Anyway, I've noticed that EM have been pretty hush-hush about the return of Pritchard in Mankind Divided. The woman you see in the gameplay demo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh-iX2bxOjI) who works for The Juggernaut Collective (forget her name), she mentions a group of "hacktivists" - it's a possibility that Pritchard may be a member of this group, who knows, he could even be Janus? That'd make for an interesting twist.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
24th Jun 2015, 07:25
Correction.... you mean SOME people on this forum. Its the same few people making the same complaints... and whatever. :p :D


So, back on topic. I like your theory about Pritchard. I hope he returns.

Itkovian_
24th Jun 2015, 18:28
What the **** is even going on in this thread? People on these forums have this bizarre impulse to go off on irrelevant tangents. What a shame.

Anyway, I've noticed that EM have been pretty hush-hush about the return of Pritchard in Mankind Divided. The woman you see in the gameplay demo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh-iX2bxOjI) who works for The Juggernaut Collective (forget her name), she mentions a group of "hacktivists" - it's a possibility that Pritchard may be a member of this group, who knows, he could even be Janus? That'd make for an interesting twist.

This IS A Deus Ex forum... if there's something I learned from when DXHR was announced and I started prowling the forums, is that DX forums can get pretty wild. What else would you expect, from a game that revolves around crazy conspiracy theory. :)

That said, good call about Pritchard. I certainly hope we see him again. We need a snarky voice in our head at all times. :)

Avenging_Teabag
26th Jun 2015, 12:20
^ Chikane seems to be feeling that role of a "snarky voice" in MD. He's a combination of Malik (function) and Pritchard (personality).

Can't really say much about the new character, I don't think i've been impressed with them yet. Vega seems like a generic edgy action chick with a heart of gold archetype, which i don't really care for. Marchenko has not been fleshed out. Rucker is spoilery, so I skipped his part. Chikane sees to be the best of the bunch so far.

Irate_Iguana
26th Jun 2015, 19:21
Vega seems like a generic edgy action chick with a heart of gold archetype, which i don't really care for.

Vega comes from complementary material from HR. I don't expect her to be fleshed out in the game at all. This will leave all of those who just stuck to HR wondering what the hell she is doing in MD. You know, what happened to the main antagonists in HR.



Chikane sees to be the best of the bunch so far.

His shtick is that he was injured during the aug incident in HR and so he hates augs. He will probably grudgingly come to admire Jensen and that will probably turn into a friendship. Just like with Pritchard.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
1st Jul 2015, 22:27
That said, good call about Pritchard. I certainly hope we see him again. We need a snarky voice in our head at all times. :)

Seconded. :naughty:

GameOfJones
17th Jul 2015, 19:20
I don't think Malik is coming back, just because she can die (and maybe did for most players). We already have confirmation that there is another pilot, so I don't think bringing her back would make sense or is necessary.

I think Megan's story really needs to be filled in, so I hope that she returns. Although I guess that doesn't necessarily mean as players we need to see her, but rather that Jensen is able to find out some info on her to better understand her motives. Maybe some disinformation could also be discovered to further confuse Jensen and make the truth more ambiguous that leads the player to decide one way or the other what is the truth.

Sarif had a sub, so it's very plausible that he was able to escape. I don't know if Sarif Industries as a company might survive the anti-aug backlash, but it'd be interesting to see what happens with the company, even if it's just through news reports of how the stock has fallen or if they were able to pivot to other areas.

Pritchard might be good for a cameo. He was a pretty good hacker/security guy, so it's plausible he might contact Jensen after discovering he's still alive.

As for other characters, Tracer Tong has been in all the games, but I don't know if it would make sense for him to show up yet in the game world. I think he'd be more underground at this point and wouldn't have a connection with Jensen anyway. It would be good to see Ben Saxon and Anna Kelso directly come into contact with Jensen. Quinn and Janus would be good ones too. Since Gunther is in the Icarus Effect, I'd like to see him included in some way. Does he head up the new version of the Tyrants prior to becoming part of Unatco many years later?

If MD is going to be game 2 of 3, I'm wondering if the plan is to give some Megan hints in MD and then bring her back in the 3rd game.. (Boy loses girl, boy gets girl back arc.)

I've been thinking about Malik-I'm worried that because she could die in HR that the cannon choice for MD is that she didn't make in the Hengsha attack. BUT the other pilot in the trailer and demo could just be because Adam's not working for Sarif anymore, and Malik was a Sarif pilot. So there's hope. Same with Pritchard. He was also a Sarif employee.

I'd love to see Pritchard back. The bickering between him and Adam was fun.

GameOfJones
17th Jul 2015, 19:32
Megan Reed for sure. That is a large dangling thread that really needs a satisfying ending. The Missing Link fleshed out her story some more, but I still didn't feel like there was any real closure between her and Adam.

I think this was done on purpose. Remember what Adam says to Megan as her and the other scientists are escaping.. "You and I aren't done with this Megan."

I trust Miss DeMarle to have had a plan with these two characters for the sequels :)

Lady_Of_The_Vine
21st Jul 2015, 23:05
According to IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4614906/), Megan Reed isn't casted in MD.
It is a possibility that her character name is being withheld and EM have changed the voice actress (originally Michelle Boback)... but unlikely.

At time of writing, we have the following voice actors/characters for MD:

Elias Toufexis - Adam Jensen
Neil Napier - Mocap
Alex Ivanovici - Dr. Talos Rucker
Ivan Sherry - Various
Dawn Ford - Masa
Patricia Summersett - Various
Tristan D. Lalla - Various
Chimwemwe Miller - Elias Chikane
Olivier Lamarche - K
Jessica Kardos - Various
Nadia Verrucci - Various
Eric Craig - Various

GameOfJones
21st Jul 2015, 23:23
I can't imagine EM replacing Michelle, given her relationship to Elias ;)

And who knows how updated the IMDb page is..

Avenging_Teabag
22nd Jul 2015, 06:15
I can't imagine EM replacing Michelle, given her relationship to Elias ;)

And who knows how updated the IMDb page is..
So, you think that since the two actors are married, they won't get rid of the character that the wife plays? What weird reasoning...

I really hope they just ditch the Megan thing altogether. The character was really effin terrible and one of the worst (if not squarely the worst) part of the Human Revolution.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
22nd Jul 2015, 08:19
I can't imagine EM replacing Michelle, given her relationship to Elias ;)

And who knows how updated the IMDb page is..

I can imagine it. One example would be that Michelle is unable to play the part this time round due to other commitments.
The IMDb page was updated fairly recently. I have been checking it often. :naughty:

Shralla
23rd Jul 2015, 22:37
Speaking of voice actors, it's nice that EM isn't following the trend of wasting big bucks getting screen actors to do voice roles in the game. Everybody wonders why the voice acting in Bethesda games sucks so bad, and that's exactly why. They blow a huge portion of their VA budget on Liam Neeson to speak a dozen lines, and then reuse the same five ****ty voice actors for the entire rest of the game.

Irate_Iguana
24th Jul 2015, 11:08
the same five ****ty voice actors for the entire rest of the game.

You're being to harsh. I think Jeff, 16 year old intern, did a pretty good job as Altmer male 1, Bosmer male 1, Breton male 1, Dunmer male 1, Imperial male 1, Nord male 1, Redguard male 1, Bandit Outlaw male 1, Bandit Thug male 1, Bandit Highwayman male 1, Nightingale Sentinel male 1, Corrupted Shade male 1, Reaver Marauder male 1, Reaver Lord male 1, Ice Mage male 1, Necromancer male 1, Storm Mage male 1, Dog, Cow, Goat, Pit Wolf, Sabre Cat, Snowy Sabre Cat, Skeever, Mudcrab, Slaughterfish and Horker.

Shralla
24th Jul 2015, 21:49
Every now and then, I wish I could "like" a post on here.

Jonbre
29th Jul 2015, 03:33
I've been thinking about Malik-I'm worried that because she could die in HR that the canon choice for MD is that she didn't make it in the Hengsha attack...

I had been worried about the same thing, and I wish I could remember the official source, but I'm 90% sure that it was officially confirmed that Malik did survive HR. When I come across it, again, I will share.

I also REALLY want Pritchard back. From what I remember from my first playthrough, although initially I was repulsed by him and his ego, eventually we see that he's actually a stand-up guy, and Jensen ends up respecting him. (please correct me if I remembered this incorrectly)

I think the dynamic between Pritchard and Jensen was really one of the highlights of HR, and I really hope that, if not Pritchard himself, Jensen has that kind of relationship with SOMEONE in MD.

Just my two credits!

Lady_Of_The_Vine
15th Aug 2015, 11:21
On the topic of voice actors:

DX:MD will have a New Game+ mode and Vernon Wells (http://www.pcgamer.com/deus-ex-mankind-divided-will-have-a-new-game-mode-and-vernon-wells)


The best part about it (at least to me) is the news that Australian actor Vernon Wells will voice one of the game's characters. Wells is a stalwart sci-fi villain, probably best known for playing Wez in The Road Warrior and Bennett in Commando. He also seems to have something of a dire view of the future, saying that Mankind Divided "is like something that could actually happen in the maybe not-so-distant future."

Lady_Of_The_Vine
1st Oct 2015, 10:42
IMDB site has updated the cast and characters:
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4614906/)



Elias Toufexis - Adam Jensen
Vernon Wells - ?
Neil Napier - Mocap
Ivan Sherry - Various
Alex Ivanovici - Dr. Talos Rucker
Dawn Ford - Masa
Karl Graboshas - Koller
Tim Post - Czeck Policeman
Patricia Summersett - Various
Jason Deline - Police Officer, Various
Tristan D. Lalla - Various
Carlo Mestroni - Radich
Chimwemwe Miller - Elias Chikane
Jessica Kardos - Various
Olivier Lamarche - K

Lady_Of_The_Vine
7th Oct 2015, 12:44
Far Cry Primal and Deus Ex: Mankind Divided have one guy in common (http://www.gamesradar.com/far-cry-primal-and-deus-ex-mankind-divided-have-one-guy-common/)


Elias Toufexis, who plays Adam Jensen in Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, will also play the lead role in Far Cry Primal...

Shralla
7th Oct 2015, 16:26
Great. He can become the new Steve Blum.

Lolssi
8th Oct 2015, 10:04
I want save import because of Malik. Or at least option to choose what happened to her when starting the game. Otherwise nasty immersion breaker if she doesn't even get mentioned or if it goes differently than when you played.

Also Isn't Alex Vega the pilot from The Fall? Looks totally different which knowing the Fall's graphics might not be a bad thing :) Correct if I remember this wrong.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
9th Oct 2015, 20:27
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided's head writer "wanted to kill" Adam Jensen (http://www.gamesradar.com/deus-ex-mankind-divideds-lead-writer-wanted-kill-adam-jensen/)


Adam Jensen is the Deus Ex series' first returning lead character, which brings new challenges for the writers (not least, having to canonise an ending). So many challenges, it seems, that Jensen could well have been killed off before Mankind Divided started.

In an interview with GamesRadar last week, executive narrative director, Mary DeMarle explained, "when we started Mankind Divided we knew he was coming back, but when we finished Human Revolution we didn’t know he was coming back!" Executive art director, Jonathan Jacques-Belletête simplifies that a little:

"She wanted to kill him! I thought she was crazy! At first I was like 'All my work! God damn!' It’s so freaking hard to create an iconic hero in this industry, it just kind of happened by magic, so I was like “Mary! What are you doing?”

Shralla
10th Oct 2015, 22:53
"She wanted to kill him! I thought she was crazy! At first I was like 'All my work! God damn!' It’s so freaking hard to create an iconic hero in this industry, it just kind of happened by magic, so I was like “Mary! What are you doing?”

Ugh. What she was doing was behaving like an actual artist, not somebody who exclusively produces "art" to market and sell. Killing him would have been a far better decision, and stood to make much more of an impact than bringing him back ever could.

Irate_Iguana
11th Oct 2015, 09:34
Ugh. What she was doing was behaving like an actual artist, not somebody who exclusively produces "art" to market and sell. Killing him would have been a far better decision, and stood to make much more of an impact than bringing him back ever could.

You're limiting your options even more extremely than is already necessary by keeping the protagonist. You already have to work within the confines of the established DX world and timeline. Now you have to work with the extra constraints of the previous game and your established protagonist. They are making storytelling harder for themselves just so that they can have an easier marketable protagonist.

Cyberhuman
12th Oct 2015, 12:26
We've had JC Denton, Alex D and Adam Jensen. I almost expected a new protagonist for MD, just for the sake of tradition - one for each installment - however, I am fairly certain they had a trilogy in mind this time around.

I don't think the amount of work you've invested in a particular story aspect should dictate the future of any creative process. I remember BioWare talking about how an employee could dedicate an entire year to an interesting idea, but that the idea could be discarded like yesterdays newspaper if it didn't end up serving the story they wanted to tell - it's harsh, but the creative process is all about making sacrifices for the greater good - refering to how much you've worked on something is generally not a good sign in a creative context - I'd much rather hear an actual argument for why they think it's a good idea.

Maybe they made the right choice, maybe not - we'll see.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
20th Oct 2015, 20:36
Character Reveal: Vaclav Koller, dealer of controversial augmentations


Vaclav Koller is an underground augmentation specialist in Prague who does not shy away from controversial augmentations. He is a brilliant, eccentric, fast-talking engineer who has performed extensive self-augmentation.
Koller has dealings with many of the different factions in the city, including organized crime, and for an unknown reason has the protection of the Dvali Crime family in Prague.


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Lady_Of_The_Vine
22nd Oct 2015, 14:41
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided - Adam Jensen 2.0 Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCkNwllUOQY&feature=youtu.be)


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Adam Jensen is the next step in human evolution. In Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, he is now an experienced covert operative, forced to operate in a world that has grown to despise his kind. Armed with a new arsenal of state-of-the-art weapons and augmentations, he must choose the right approach, along with who to trust, in order to unravel a vast worldwide conspiracy. This new in-game trailer highlights the Titan shield, as well as his new gun-arm augmentations: the Tesla, the Nanoblade and the PEPS.

Avenging_Teabag
23rd Oct 2015, 07:13
Holy crap, I wish they went with a less bombastically cliched approach to the lines Toufexis had to say. "They made me what I am... I am a weapon"

*cringe* *cringe* *facepalm*

Cyberhuman
30th Oct 2015, 11:50
Holy crap, I wish they went with a less bombastically cliched approach to the lines Toufexis had to say. "They made me what I am... I am a weapon"

*cringe* *cringe* *facepalm*

This is the reality we live in. There will be no AAA's without Hollywood clichés. Just accept it - it's worth it.

Shralla
30th Oct 2015, 17:17
It was worth it in the original Deus Ex when it came out in the early 2000s and had unrivaled open-ended gameplay. If MD doesn't have significantly improved level design and aug implementation, it definitely won't be worth it.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
3rd Dec 2015, 22:13
DX:MD First Female Characters to Debut in Franchise (http://www.vcpost.com/articles/109805/20151202/deus-ex-mankind-divided-gets-aug-2016-release-date-first-female-characters.htm)


Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, as mentioned, was scheduled to hit the public by February 23rd, 2016. After the said announcement, August 23rd, 2016 will be the new target date for Eidos Montreal's new title that circulates Adam Jensen's quest. To add flavor, as a first for the franchise, a proposed line-up of female characters is being expected, making things a lot more interesting for the followers of the series.

Shralla
4th Dec 2015, 03:30
What does that even mean? That's one of the vaguest statement I've ever read, it has no source, and it doesn't appear to be anything but speculation about... something.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
4th Dec 2015, 09:42
You usually enjoy speculation and making vague statements yourself, so I'm surprised you're complaining about this one. :D

Irate_Iguana
5th Dec 2015, 12:22
What does that even mean? That's one of the vaguest statement I've ever read, it has no source, and it doesn't appear to be anything but speculation about... something.

Not to mention there have been plenty of female characters in the series and Invisible War had a female protagonist. I don't understand what they were going for with that sentence.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
5th Dec 2015, 12:31
Perhaps its a hint that we'll see a lot more female antagonists like Fedorova... :naughty:

Avenging_Teabag
8th Dec 2015, 08:41
I wish people would just stfu for real about female characters. As if adding tits to a mesh magically makes a character better. Why would adding female characters make things more interesting? Here's a hint: interesting characters make things more interesting! Jesus H. Christ.

Poticha
8th Dec 2015, 15:38
I think this headline is kind of a misunderstanding from the person who wrote it. One thing the team did mention, is that Mankind Divided will feature female NPC combatants - which was not the case in Human Revolution.

DXMD will of course have female characters, as any Deus Ex game before.

MasterTaffer
8th Dec 2015, 15:44
I think this headline is kind of a misunderstanding from the person who wrote it. One thing the team did mention, is that Mankind Divided will feature female NPC combatants - which was not the case in Human Revolution.

DXMD will of course have female characters, as any Deus Ex game before.

That's good. I was a little confused about Malik there for a moment...

Now the pressing question. Augmented ferrets: yay or nay?! I NEED ANSWERS!

Lady_Of_The_Vine
8th Dec 2015, 20:04
...Mankind Divided will feature female NPC combatants - which was not the case in Human Revolution.

Excellent. :cool:

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Now the pressing question. Augmented ferrets: yay or nay?! I NEED ANSWERS!


Absolutely... :D (http://amales.deviantart.com/art/Adam-Jensen-377326797)

http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/Twizted_Viewz/adamfur.jpg

Shralla
8th Dec 2015, 23:41
I wish people would just stfu for real about female characters. As if adding tits to a mesh magically makes a character better. Why would adding female characters make things more interesting? Here's a hint: interesting characters make things more interesting! Jesus H. Christ.

It isn't about a character model, it's about the voice and perspective that female characters can provide, and how that variety is necessary for the medium to mature. And yeah, video games in general aren't widely known for their quality character development and storytelling, but that's not the point of the discussion.


I think this headline is kind of a misunderstanding from the person who wrote it. One thing the team did mention, is that Mankind Divided will feature female NPC combatants - which was not the case in Human Revolution.

This is also interesting for a different reason. Encountering both male and female combatants adds to believability, especially in a universe where many of your opponents have artificially augmented strength, stamina, etc, and are not physically limited by their sex.

AgentExeider
31st Jan 2016, 20:09
I just need to say my peace here to Adam Jensen.

You say "They" made you this way.

My response: No they didn't, Your friends made you this way.

For what ever reason, and in the DX universe, David Serif and gang was the closest thing you had to friends if not family.

David didn't make you into a augment to push an agenda, or to turn you into a tool, he did it to save your life, when others would have chosen or couldn't have done anything but watch you die.

David had his resources and the technology to save you, and he did, and he put billions of dollars of tech into you to save you, because he actually cares about you.

He gave you weapons to protect yourself as well as take the fight back to these people.

Malik, Prichard and everyone else checked on your constantly, I've read the back story, they watched you in the hospital when you in a coma, they visited you when you were recuperating, they thought of you constantly, asking about you "Are you ok" "How are you feeling"

Because they knew more then the physical pain, was the emotional pain of losing the love of your life, and they knew it.

Those people cared for you, even Prichard in his own acerbic way, they were your friends and they cared for you.

And now they are dead.

So I would say maybe you need to honor them better then filing them along with the people that killed them, and be a bit more appreciative of the support you got from them.

Your friends are not "They" or "Them"

"They" didn't make you this way.

Your friends did because they cared, friends who were murdered by "They" and "Them"

Yes we know "You didn't ask for this" and I'm sure your friends didn't ask to be murdered either but there you go. Life sucks, and this day in age, it sucks ALOT.

The least you can do is be mindful and caring about those who cared for you and did everything, moved heaven and earth to do what they could. That Mr. Jensen is the LEAST you can do.

The most, well, the most is to rid the world of these 'Elites' and make it a better place.

But while we get caught up in the world sized implications, let's not forget the very personal cost of what it took just to get here.

Remember your friends, Serif, Prichard, Malik, Athene and even Megen, they cared about you, and may have been the closest thing to a family in this screwed up world of yours.

Just remember that, and remember them...

/soapbox

NUCLEAR3NAKE
9th Jun 2016, 08:05
...i tried to google an official answer, but i only found some postings from ppl claiming Malik wont show up ion DX:MD

has it been confirmed, that we won't see Malik in the game?
this would be really sad, because she is my favorite char next to adam^^

...i hoped so much, that they may come closer in DX:MD :flowers:

Lady_Of_The_Vine
20th Jun 2016, 19:50
IMBD - Latest voice actor/cast list (as at June 2016)
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4614906/)


Elias Toufexis - Adam Jensen
Cristina Rosato - Shadowchild


Rest of cast listed alphabetically:
Julian Bailey - Vlasta
Kim Bubbs - Eliza Cassan
Eric Craig - Various
Jason Deline - Police Officer / Additional Voices
Mylène Dinh-Robic - Delara
Dawn Ford - Masa
Karl Graboshas - Koller
Hamza Haq - Additional Voices
Paul Hopkins - Manderly
Alex Ivanovici - Dr. Talos Rucker
Jessica Kardos - Additional Voices
Tristan D. Lalla - Additional Voices
Olivier Lamarche - K

Shralla
21st Jun 2016, 16:42
At least some AAA games are avoiding the obnoxious trend of using screen actors for voice acting parts.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
21st Jun 2016, 20:09
Not sure why choosing a screen actor for a voice-acting part is any way "obnoxious"? :scratch:
As long as the actor's performance meets the criteria required, it doesn't matter who they cast.

Shralla
22nd Jun 2016, 04:11
It takes good, well-paying jobs away from career voice actors who depend on them to make a living, instead handing it to somebody who already makes substantially more in their screen-acting, and for whom voice acting is a matter of dabbling and variety, not bread and butter. Not to mention that companies pay screen actors far more for their voice-acting time than they pay actual voice actors, just so they can have a recognizable name in the credits or face in the game. Most career voice actors wouldn't stand a chance in screen acting, but no career screen actor needs a voice acting job to get by.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
22nd Jun 2016, 07:47
I'm aware of all this. At the end of the day, companies merely exercise freedom to choose the actor/s they believe best suits the role (for whatever reasons).

Lady_Of_The_Vine
17th Jul 2016, 08:43
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided police lady in Prague IS Anna Navarre :eek:
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-BL1S0ecUs)


Suggested over on Reddit..... what do you think? :)

TheDetectiveXx
23rd Jul 2016, 12:11
Ya i agree i really loved having her in the game she was pretty cool to stop and chat with

Noir_Proxy
25th Jul 2016, 19:44
I think the game is set way too early still to embrace any of the original characters from Deus Ex...I mean then again Bob Page is in HR, so I guess you could have others but if has that importance and wealth where he could extend his life like that, while Anna Navarre and even Gunther are just soldiers. Spending billions to keep them active seems a waste when there have been more capable individuals.

Xerevantes
25th Aug 2016, 23:12
:scratch::scratch:
Why was this 'Ivan Berk' character shown so frequently in every single trailer, getting beat up, hiding his face with his hood as he walks past Adam (This is the only time you actually see this character, this was shown for like 1.5 seconds); Yet he isn't really in the game at all, apart from that one moment where he walks past you during the scene?

In the trailer he is shown being beaten up in Golem City, yet this very same 'moment' as you walk around the same area of the trailer, just a random NPC got beaten up instead. His computer is located in a room where it basically shows emails of him and Viktor (making it look like he blew himself up @ the train station in Prague).

Why all the hyping up, revealing the character so often and have all this concept art? He's only mentioned in the game, once and that isn't even in the main story game, just the Adam Jensen' side story.

There are entire communities focused on him, merchandise made of him etc. etc.

Inb4 upcoming DLC will involve him, regardless of hyping him up for the main game.:wave::wave:

spicyGrandpa
26th Aug 2016, 11:13
maybe hes going to be featured in the dlc??
i think miller mentions him once so unless for whatever reason they're going to cut him from the game i imagine he will show up later.

julianCB
27th Aug 2016, 00:55
After the end of the last mission in HR Adam was saying to Megan Reed that they are not finished yet and she must answer on his questions but we see that Reed went to Bop Page , so is there any mission for her or are they gonna meet in MD ??!

Aquascream
29th Aug 2016, 13:20
While playing DEMD I found myself noticing a particular NPC: a red-haired woman. I mentioning her because I saw her in very interesting moments and I never saw NPC that looks like her.

First moment:

Right befor bombing in train station
http://prntscr.com/cbojkm
Here she just caught my eye

Second time:

In dialog between Adam and Alex after Adam returns to Prague from GRAM station.
http://prntscr.com/cbokob
And here where it got suspicious, marshall law and all and she is on street

So is it just my imagination or is it not only mine?

Xerevantes
29th Aug 2016, 15:36
Not sure, I do think that's an unique character and I thought something along those lines as well during the Prague bombing. Cause like 'important' characters are standing out model-wise (Ivan Berk, Vega, Adam Jensen and Red Haired woman). I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if she played a role in DLC or future games, but don't get your hopes up.

They showed Ivan Berk almost as much as Adam Jensen in all of the trailers, specific situations in said trailers. Yet we only see him during the Prague train station incident for 1.5 seconds, walking past you when you say something along the lines of 'The enemy could be right infront of us.'

He also gets mentioned once during the Adam Jensen's side story, even though he got all hyped up for the main game. I think it's stupid, cause he has concept art, a terminal, was shown in specific situations. Yet it seems like he suicide terroristed himself into the train station looking from the dialogue and emails.

They made merchandise, had a huge fanbase before the release and concept art of this character. (The part where he gets beaten up in Golem City does occur, but it's not him that gets beaten up, it's just some random NPC @ that same spot and moment).

The game is good/fun, but I'm dissapointed in so many things when it comes to the misleading characters and story progression. That moment when I had to fight and beat Viktor, I thought THAT was the start of the game, cause that was legitimately the only 'boss' fight. Yet it abrupts so suddenly after beating him. Even though right before that we got a LOT of unanswered plot points. (Megan Reed, GRAM, Adam's 'new' augmentations, Pritchard, 2 year coma period/Alaska base, Ivan Berk, Illuminati, Psychiatrist).

Lady_Of_The_Vine
30th Aug 2016, 10:38
A mysterious red-haired woman...

Woah, interesting.... :eek:

Lady_Of_The_Vine
4th Sep 2016, 20:38
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided sees the return of Frank Pritchard in first story DLC

(http://www.polygon.com/2016/9/2/12769562/deus-ex-mankind-divided-dlc-frank-pritchard)



Square Enix’s Deus Ex: Mankind Divided was just released last week, but the studio is already detailing the first story DLC for the game, which will see the return of main character Adam Jensen’s friend and former colleague, Frank Pritchard.

PugPug
8th Sep 2016, 14:13
For those not aware, in 2012 he put some YouTube videos up on a comedy channel about conspiracies and the Illuminati. Because, you know, he was in a Deus Ex game. A bunch of people took it seriously and started saying he was totally nuts. These videos weren't just a wacko yelling at a camera, they were produced. One had a Deus Ex music track behind him talking about augmented fruit flies, of all things. Another had him talking to himself in voice over, then responding out loud. I think people only pretended to take it seriously just to be mean-spirited.

It appears that is why Eidos Montreal replaced him with Rick Miller for Mankind Divided, despite knowing perfectly well it was a joke. I mean, they had worked with him. In the dev commentary for Human Revolution, they have a lot of respect for him. So basically he was fired for doing some Deus Ex-style fan fiction that people said nasty things about.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
8th Sep 2016, 16:07
Discussed a few years back, fyi

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=136858

Warksam
27th Sep 2016, 06:30
Di quest'ultimo mi piaceva l'Independence Day 2 http://www.altadefinizione.one/3025-independence-day-2-2016-5.html. E qual è la tua opinione su questo film