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Driber
3rd Feb 2015, 17:03
Game Informer March Cover Revealed – Rise of the Tomb Raider


“Rise of the Tomb Raider will send Lara to the frozen wilds of Siberia on a hunt for the lost secrets of immortality. Now Lara will have to hunt and craft new survival gear in order to take on larger puzzle tombs and a deadly new enemy, a secret society that has been lying in the shadows since the last game.”

Check out Game Informer issue #263 (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/02/03/march-cover-revealed-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-6545651.aspx) for world-exclusive first details on Lara Croft’s return in Rise of the Tomb Raider, and bookmark GameInformer.com/ROTTR (http://www.gameinformer.com/p/rottr.aspx) for a full month of original features.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/02/03/march-cover-revealed-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-6545651.aspx

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High res assets coming soon :)

Edit:

http://driber.net/tr/assets/tr10/misc/t/GI_Cover_Front.jpg (http://driber.net/tr/assets/tr10/misc/GI_Cover_Front.jpg) http://driber.net/tr/assets/tr10/misc/t/GI_Cover_Full.jpg (http://driber.net/tr/assets/tr10/misc/GI_Cover_Full.jpg)

MeaganMarie
3rd Feb 2015, 17:18
Whoohoooo! I've been so excited to share this with you all! :D

a_big_house
3rd Feb 2015, 17:24
EEEEEKKK! :D

So many things to look at and talk about and just *dies*

:lol:

MaxRaider
3rd Feb 2015, 17:36
Yaayyaa! :D

THE COVER IS AWESOME! 2 AXES! :eek: I can't wait to see what the month has in store!

a_big_house
3rd Feb 2015, 17:41
^ To add to the two axes - No gun holsters ( :eek: ), the REMI logo carving on the tree on the cover, changeable outfits? (hat and goggles in one image and not in another), TresFX is back
EDIT: Climbing guide(?) attached by rope

Blacktron
3rd Feb 2015, 17:41
Okay, dual pickaxes? That's gonna make for some pretty badass melee combat!

http://www.gameinformer.com/resized-image.ashx/__size/610x0/__key/CommunityServer-Blogs-Components-WeblogFiles/00-00-00-00-06/7318.tombraider.jpg

And what shall we call that bear? Mr. Ruxpin?

RybatGrimes
3rd Feb 2015, 17:47
It looks looks so beautiful, LARA LOOKS SO BEAUTIFUL, but it's so bitter sweet to look at all of this and be excited.

;_;

Chocolate_shake
3rd Feb 2015, 17:55
aaaah ! The hype is off the charts ! Can't wait for more info

Blacktron
3rd Feb 2015, 17:57
No gun holsters ( :eek: ), the REMI logo carving on the tree on the cover, I see the symbol, but what does REMI stand for?

a_big_house
3rd Feb 2015, 18:01
I see the symbol, but what does REMI stand for?

I have no idea :lol:

untitled1
3rd Feb 2015, 18:04
can't wait to see this game hand Uncharted 4 its a** this holiday. The queen is back.

Valenka
3rd Feb 2015, 18:12
Looks great and I'm really excited to learn more about the experience. I noticed in the cover, Lara has some sort of short-blade in a holster on the rear right side of her pants and her climbing axe has some sort of cord, attached to her pants, most likely so she won't lose it and can easily grab and replace it without having to clip/unclip it to herself. Nice touch, there.

I'm a little disappointed with her new look though. The inconsistency with in-game and the concept art is a little troubling; we saw her look in the CGI trailer and now her outfit is slightly different with a completely different color scheme. Other than that, I do like the outfit.

Additionally, I'm not surprised she kept the climbing axe that Roth gave her in the last game, but now she has a second, completely identical one? Not to mention the same exact walkie-talkie/radio from the last game. I was hoping for slight changes and modifications if she was going to keep some of the gear from Yamatai, not a recycling of the same exact models and designs. :(

At this point, I'm convinced that we'll never see dual pistols again. I think Lara's official new signature weapon is the bow and arrow. She appears to have a handgun in this game, but I think the dual pistols scene in the last game was just an easter egg or a nod toward her history and nothing more.

I'm a little concerned about the weapon upgrade system. I have a strange feeling we're going to see the pistol, assault rifle, shotgun and bow return in the same fashion, most likely with different designs since it is a new, different location, but I feel like the upgrading thing might just be a copy and paste job with slight modifications.

Not necessarily a bad thing, but I hope there's enough change and variety to ensure that ROTTR doesn't feel exactly like the last game with just a new location and story.


I see the symbol, but what does REMI stand for?

I'm sure we'll find out when more details on the secret organization are revealed. ;)

Blacktron
3rd Feb 2015, 18:16
I have no idea :lol:

Oh... Well anyway,

I am pretty excited about this taking place in Siberia if that means endless pine tree forests and rusty old Soviet bases like in Legend. And it's also in the right spot for Kolchak's Gold DLC, about the gold treasure that is supposed to be on the bottom of lake Baikal :)

Valenka
3rd Feb 2015, 19:06
Oh... Well anyway,

I am pretty excited about this taking place in Siberia if that means endless pine tree forests and rusty old Soviet bases like in Legend. And it's also in the right spot for Kolchak's Gold DLC, about the gold treasure that is supposed to be on the bottom of lake Baikal :)

Ugh, I don't even want to hear mention of DLC this long before the game is even released. Can we just hope that everything that should be in the game will be?

TranceTrouble
3rd Feb 2015, 19:10
oeh that looks promising :D :thumb:

Driber
3rd Feb 2015, 19:11
Additionally, I'm not surprised she kept the climbing axe that Roth gave her in the last game, but now she has a second, completely identical one? Not to mention the same exact walkie-talkie/radio from the last game. I was hoping for slight changes and modifications if she was going to keep some of the gear from Yamatai, not a recycling of the same exact models and designs. :(

What you call recycling I call consistency :D

Driber
3rd Feb 2015, 19:11
test

Elessar78
3rd Feb 2015, 19:24
I miss a little the globetrotting nature of these games. So it's gonna be cold & snowy all the time? :(

RybatGrimes
3rd Feb 2015, 19:37
Apparently some people have the digital version of the magazine already? Here's new details from the mag summed up from a member on TRF:

- At least two different locations across the globe.
- Jonah is back from the first game
- Environment itself as the main antagonist.
- Cloth and herb to heal wounds.
- More than one of each weapon type.
- Variety of bows with different attributes.
- Weather system that animals and human enemies react to.
- Not sure if they confirmed a day night cycle or not, they mentioned "animals reacting to" time of day.
- Hub areas are two to three times bigger than previous game.
- Lara can climb trees, hide in bushes, swim.
- Pushing for pre planning aspect to engaging in combat, though sneaking past everyone isnt the goal.
- Tools for distracting enemies and luring them where you want them.
- You can lose the enemies after engaging them.
- Game informer says combat reminds them of the Last of Us.
- CD talks about doing more with tombs and puzzles this time around.

Chocolate_shake
3rd Feb 2015, 19:40
Yay ! No regen health this time .

But only two locations :(

Driber
3rd Feb 2015, 19:45
swim

http://driber.net/os/barney-mind-blown.gif



Yay ! No regen health this time .

But only two locations :(

Neither of those statements are true.

a_big_house
3rd Feb 2015, 19:47
But is it underwater swimming? That's the important part :lol:

Blacktron
3rd Feb 2015, 19:48
I'm positive to every one of those points :) (well, one or two may be like 'hm, let's see where this goes')

A little number of locations is really for the best. Otherwise there's not enough time to flesh out the 'character' of the location, and it becomes like a soulless background for the hero to be faffing around in like the places from Legend or Underworld, rather than a place with a history and a story to it as the Island in TR9. I would have been fine with just one location.

Fearsome
3rd Feb 2015, 19:53
gonna lose my nuts if theres no real tombs. :mad2:

AdeleDazeem
3rd Feb 2015, 19:57
Did anyome else catch "our systems"?

Aside from that.. Holy shards, this is exactly what I hoped the sequel to TR9 would be like!

Driber
3rd Feb 2015, 20:01
Did anyome else catch "our systems"?

Where? :scratch:

Elessar78
3rd Feb 2015, 20:01
I miss a little the globetrotting nature of these games. So it's gonna be cold & snowy all the time? :(

- At least two different locations across the globe.

There's still hope! :)

a_big_house
3rd Feb 2015, 20:01
Did anyome else catch "our systems"?

I think Brian was talking about technical stuff, not platforms :)

RybatGrimes
3rd Feb 2015, 20:02
From Meagan: Sorry guys! We can't pull screens from the magazine for the forums. Please don't scan or share assets from the article till we release them!

Blacktron
3rd Feb 2015, 20:03
Nice! :thumb:

a_big_house
3rd Feb 2015, 20:04
They both look so good!!!

RybatGrimes
3rd Feb 2015, 20:07
From Meagan: Also removed. We can't pull screens from the magazine for the forums. Please don't scan or share assets from the article till we release them!

AdeleDazeem
3rd Feb 2015, 20:08
Where? :scratch:


In the video he says: something something power of our new systems, not specificly the Xbox One. It could be nothing, but it could be 'something'.

Anyways. Those new screenshots, amazing! I can't get over the fact that the eyes look so alive!

Blacktron
3rd Feb 2015, 20:09
Where do you get all these?

What could this be? Petra, Jordan? Hey there! Single pistols will not be tolerated!

a_big_house
3rd Feb 2015, 20:10
Guys... About Jonah... Do you think Co-Op partner maybe? :D :D :D

RybatGrimes
3rd Feb 2015, 20:11
Image removed by Meagan

****!!!!!!!!!!!

My friend is getting them from someone on TRF, and he's sending them to me. :p

AdeleDazeem
3rd Feb 2015, 20:12
*fangirl squee. I found a new avatar. This screen is so beautiful, it brings a tear to my eye!

Error96_
3rd Feb 2015, 20:18
Looking at the update the first thing I notice is Lara looks. Her face is a million times better than TR(2013). The puffy cheeks are gone and she is back to having Lara's face structure again - Tremendous. We have an outfit that has a bit of style and actually has some colour other than grey. From behind the shape is just like the TR2 winter brown jacket.

The bear enemy is classic TR1 throwback, return of globetrotting, bigger tombs, something resembling the medi pack system... etc.
If it weren't for the exclusivity deal (meaning we may not get to play this at all) then I would be saying this is absolutely incredible.

Driber
3rd Feb 2015, 20:19
OP updated.


In the video he says: something something power of our new systems, not specificly the Xbox One. It could be nothing, but it could be 'something'.

Ah yeah, that's not about the consoles, I'm sure.

AdeleDazeem
3rd Feb 2015, 20:19
I also love the snow/frost on her jacket in the picture above. I hope the 360 version will live up to it's next gen counterpart :)

That too bad, Driber. But I gues you're right. Time to play the waiting game again!

RybatGrimes
3rd Feb 2015, 20:20
Someone will have to keep an eye on TRF, I won't be able to post anymore tonight, I'm leaving for work. Have fun guys~

Elessar78
3rd Feb 2015, 20:21
Nice screenshots! Hopefully the faces animate as well as they look. I sooooo cannot wait to play this on my One!!!! ;)

AdeleDazeem
3rd Feb 2015, 20:22
Someone will have to keep an eye on TRF, I won't be able to post anymore tonight, I'm leaving for work. Have fun guys~

Please don't leave, I keep refreshing the page for your info.:p

MeaganMarie
3rd Feb 2015, 20:25
But is it underwater swimming? That's the important part :lol:

Confirmed. Underwater swimming of the wet variety in H20. :lol:

a_big_house
3rd Feb 2015, 20:26
Confirmed. Underwater swimming of the wet variety in H20. :lol:

YES! XD

Thanks Meagan :D <3

Driber
3rd Feb 2015, 20:28
Alright swimming confirmed. NOW we party http://driber.net/os/banana.gif http://driber.net/os/party.gif

AdeleDazeem
3rd Feb 2015, 20:29
I didn't really miss the underwater levels in TR9, but I'm glad they're back!

pidipidi39
3rd Feb 2015, 20:30
This is looking so good... and it hurts. ç_ç

Edit: Ops! Sorry, Meagan! Didn't know we couldn't share those screens.

Elessar78
3rd Feb 2015, 20:32
They seemingly can't decide on her face. She's different in every game. Personally, i liked DE Lara. :(

MeaganMarie
3rd Feb 2015, 20:33
Hey guys! Just a reminder. Scans aren't allowed on the forums, and pulling screenshots from a digital edition of the magazine article is the same as taking a scan. Please don't post them until we release the assets on our end, or Game Informer shares them online. :)

pidipidi39
3rd Feb 2015, 20:36
They seemingly can't decide on her face. She's different in every game. Personally, i liked DE Lara. :(
This is something I'm disappointed about too. I was hoping they would stick to one permanent face with the series being rebooted.

a_big_house
3rd Feb 2015, 20:36
Aww :( Good thing we've all already saved them :p

MeaganMarie
3rd Feb 2015, 20:38
Aww :( Good thing we've all already saved them :p

Ha. They'll be released online eventually so you can bask in their glory. But for now they need to stay exclusive to the GI article! :)

AdeleDazeem
3rd Feb 2015, 20:38
They seemingly can't decide on her face. She's different in every game. Personally, i liked DE Lara. :(

DE Lara was nice, but I still prefer the original. When I play the re-play the game, it's probably going to be on PS3 again.

And yay. I was in time to see the illegal screenshots ^^

Blacktron
3rd Feb 2015, 20:40
Aww :( Good thing we've all already saved them :p
I know I did :D I like the new Jonah look a lot.

Valenka
3rd Feb 2015, 20:55
Apparently some people have the digital version of the magazine already? Here's new details from the mag summed up from a member on TRF:

- At least two different locations across the globe.
- Jonah is back from the first game
- Environment itself as the main antagonist.
- Cloth and herb to heal wounds.
- More than one of each weapon type.
- Variety of bows with different attributes.
- Weather system that animals and human enemies react to.
- Not sure if they confirmed a day night cycle or not, they mentioned "animals reacting to" time of day.
- Hub areas are two to three times bigger than previous game.
- Lara can climb trees, hide in bushes, swim.
- Pushing for pre planning aspect to engaging in combat, though sneaking past everyone isnt the goal.
- Tools for distracting enemies and luring them where you want them.
- You can lose the enemies after engaging them.
- Game informer says combat reminds them of the Last of Us.
- CD talks about doing more with tombs and puzzles this time around.

http://media.giphy.com/media/fHR3Ui7YAT1xS/giphy.gif


Confirmed. Underwater swimming of the wet variety in H20. :lol:

Who the heck would want to go swimming in Siberia? Poor Lara! ​:lol:

TranceTrouble
3rd Feb 2015, 21:00
here are some screens from the trailer, sorry for the low quality but nevertheless enjoy :D

http://driber.net/tr/assets/tr10/screenshots/GI_Coverage_Trailer/

IvanaKC
3rd Feb 2015, 21:01
Alright swimming confirmed. NOW we party http://driber.net/os/banana.gif http://driber.net/os/party.gif

I'm totally joining this party, woohoo! :D



As for the rest, I like changes in her look. The fact that Jonah is back is also making me happy, he was the only character I actually liked. The fact that there are no gun holsters kinda makes me sad, but it's too early to lose hope, right?

I'm also in a dilemma what to think about adding more stealth elements. TR was never a stealth game and the fact you can lure enemies away and lose them kinda doesn't seem very tomb-raider-like to me. As long as they don't punish you for not playing stealthy , everything will be fine because there's always a choice to play or not to play that way in most stealthy games. I can't say it doesn't make sense because every person who finds themselves in an unknown environment would probably hide first. Especially if they encounter a bear or something.

Driber
3rd Feb 2015, 21:06
http://driber.net/tr/assets/tr10/screenshots/GI_Coverage_Trailer/010.jpg

So purrrdy :)






Who the heck would want to go swimming in Siberia? Poor Lara! ​:lol:

Hmm, time to fit Lara into a very snug fitting swimsuit :naughty:


AA incoming in 3.... 2.... 1......

AdeleDazeem
3rd Feb 2015, 21:07
Maybe they thought dualwielding was too overpowered? Even though the end of TR9, sort of, hinted at going dual.

AlexWeiss
3rd Feb 2015, 21:10
I spent so long binge watching OITNB I missed all the new screens :(


What you call recycling I call consistency :D
Yeah but in my opinion, reusing exact items like the walkie talkie for example just seems too easy. Why would Lara have kept the same model that she had on Yamatai? You'd think she'd have at least a new version of it... Whatever, not really a big deal. Still doesn't kill the hype in me :D

Apparently some people have the digital version of the magazine already? Here's new details from the mag summed up from a member on TRF:
[...]
- CD talks about doing more with tombs and puzzles this time around.
GOOD


Aside from that.. Holy shards, this is exactly what I hoped the sequel to TR9 would be like!
Let's hope this isn't advert talk and it'll live up to all of our hopes and dreams for the game :D

I do hope they're just going to make the dual pistols a surprise for now until future advertisement, and that the dual axes aren't their replacement in some weird way, but other than that, I'm SO excited for March!

AdeleDazeem
3rd Feb 2015, 21:12
Now I need to know, OITNB?

a_big_house
3rd Feb 2015, 21:14
Now I need to know, OITNB?

Orange Is The New Black ;)

@Valenka - Swimming in Siberia? What about in the desert location? :D

Driber
3rd Feb 2015, 21:19
Yeah but in my opinion, reusing exact items like the walkie talkie for example just seems too easy. Why would Lara have kept the same model that she had on Yamatai? You'd think she'd have at least a new version of it... Whatever, not really a big deal. Still doesn't kill the hype in me :D

Pffff, Lara doesn't care about latest models. It just needs to work, that's all there's to it :p


I'm also in a dilemma what to think about adding more stealth elements. TR was never a stealth game and the fact you can lure enemies away and lose them kinda doesn't seem very tomb-raider-like to me. As long as they don't punish you for not playing stealthy , everything will be fine because there's always a choice to play or not to play that way in most stealthy games. I can't say it doesn't make sense because every person who finds themselves in an unknown environment would probably hide first. Especially if they encounter a bear or something.

I love going the stealth route!

Yeah, as long as there are options, it's all good :)

AdeleDazeem
3rd Feb 2015, 21:22
Orange Is The New Black ;)

@Valenka - Swimming in Siberia? What about in the desert location? :D

Ah, of course.

What if it's not actually 'swimming', but Lara falling through thin ice. :rasp:

Murphdawg1
3rd Feb 2015, 21:49
Hard to get excited when you know that you won't even be able get your hands on it this year.Sorry guys

medievil1
3rd Feb 2015, 21:57
I noticed no one is even mentioning the big bomb.. CD is NOT developing the 360 version of the game. So anyone thinking they would just by the 360 version will not get close tot he same game. Looks like CD is trying everything it can to help M$ sell xbox ones...
very disappointed with the company ... to get in bed with M$ and now to not even develop the game themselves on a console most probably have. (which seems to me, to be trying to nudge people to buy a one)

a_big_house
3rd Feb 2015, 22:01
I noticed no one is even mentioning the big bomb.. CD is NOT developing the 360 version of the game. So anyone thinking they would just by the 360 version will not get close tot he same game. Looks like CD is trying everything it can to help M$ sell xbox ones...
very disappointed with the company ... to get in bed with M$ and now to not even develop the game themselves on a console most probably have. (which seems to me, to be trying to nudge people to buy a one)

I just pre-ordered the 360 version, so I'm glad you brought this up. Nixxes are a very capable studio and I have no doubt that CD will be giving them every asset they need to make the 360 version of the game as good as possible, sure it wont be as good as the Xbone version, but did TR9 not show you or anyone that these developers know what they're doing and are fully capable of delivering an amazing experience :)

Murphdawg1
3rd Feb 2015, 22:01
I noticed no one is even mentioning the big bomb.. CD is NOT developing the 360 version of the game. So anyone thinking they would just by the 360 version will not get close tot he same game. Looks like CD is trying everything it can to help M$ sell xbox ones...
very disappointed with the company ... to get in bed with M$ and now to not even develop the game themselves on a console most probably have. (which seems to me, to be trying to nudge people to buy a one)

In my opinion there shouldn't even be a 360 or PS3 version. Those consoles will turn 10(360) and 9(PS3) years old this year. You don't see AAA titles like Batman or Uncharted 4 coming to the older consoles.

Rai
3rd Feb 2015, 22:03
This is all amazing. Can I just say, Lara looks great in that red jacket! The locations I've seen so far also look amazing. And those screens are in game, right...so she does look like her CGI self. :D

Driber
3rd Feb 2015, 22:04
I noticed no one is even mentioning the big bomb.. CD is NOT developing the 360 version of the game. So anyone thinking they would just by the 360 version will not get close tot he same game. Looks like CD is trying everything it can to help M$ sell xbox ones...
very disappointed with the company ... to get in bed with M$ and now to not even develop the game themselves on a console most probably have. (which seems to me, to be trying to nudge people to buy a one)

I don't see how Nixxes doing the 360 version changes anything. In fact, Nixxes has been doing exactly this during the last game - they did the PS3 and PC versions while CD focused on the 360 version. And they looked great :)


In my opinion there shouldn't even be a 360 or PS3 version.

Yes there should be.


Those consoles will turn 10(360) and 9(PS3) years old this year.

So what?


You don't see AAA titles like Batman or Uncharted 4 coming to the older consoles.

So CD should follow what your cherry picked other devs do?

TheArcaneHuntress
3rd Feb 2015, 22:10
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Ugh, when I saw this get posted on twitter, I was working on something really important ~ Was SO hard to focus. Man This is great. I can't wait for tomorrow's news! :D Come on guys, lets speculate :group_hug:

Edit: Looking closer at the cover, theres a symbol on the tree to the left of lara, Thoughts? Trinity?

dark7angel
3rd Feb 2015, 22:21
Oh MAN!!!! I just got home and saw this!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!! It looks GOOD!!! I'm loving that red jacket and the double axe!!! Really cool! And Siberia is a fantastic location, specially for survival elements! And awesome news about the return of swimming!!! :D

Driber
3rd Feb 2015, 22:24
Saw the entire GI story. There are a few more shots of the surroundings. The world looks awesome. There's also a new screen of that gorgeous ice cavern. I LOVE ice caverns!

Murphdawg1
3rd Feb 2015, 22:24
Yes there should be.



So what?



So CD should follow what your cherry picked other devs do?

It's about evolving Driber. It is time to let go of the previous gen systems as they are long since tapped out. I could have mentioned any number of games only coming to current gen and PC. One of the more current releases Dying Light was slated for the older systems but Techland decided to drop those and smartly so. I'd put my money on that if there was no deal with Microsoft then CD would have solely focused on the 8th gen systems and PC so I think part of it is Microsoft forcing ROTTR to be shoehorned onto the Xbox 360.

Tihocan
3rd Feb 2015, 22:25
here are some screens from the trailer, sorry for the low quality but nevertheless enjoy :D

http://driber.net/tr/assets/tr10/screenshots/GI_Coverage_Trailer/

So, someone in another forum pointed out that next to the guy on the left in the developer studio pic is a PS4 development kit (white box under the phone).
Probably doesn't mean much, but *krrrrsht* engage speculation! *krrrsrht*

Blacktron
3rd Feb 2015, 22:25
Edit: Looking closer at the cover, theres a symbol on the tree to the left of lara, Thoughts? Trinity?

That would be my guess. It's a very important symbol anyway: they've already put it on T-shirts.

It was about time Lara started to wear red: it's the colour of the British warrior :D

TheArcaneHuntress
3rd Feb 2015, 22:28
So, someone in another forum pointed out that next to the guy on the left in the developer studio pic is a PS4 development kit (white box under the phone).
Probably doesn't mean much, but *krrrrsht* engage speculation! *krrrsrht*

lol that made me laugh its definitely coming there though

a_big_house
3rd Feb 2015, 22:31
So, someone in another forum pointed out that next to the guy on the left in the developer studio pic is a PS4 development kit (white box under the phone).
Probably doesn't mean much, but *krrrrsht* engage speculation! *krrrsrht*

Well, they did just release Osiris :D

Driber
3rd Feb 2015, 22:31
In one of the screens of the GI story I'm seeing.... Lara using FLARES :eek:

Tihocan
3rd Feb 2015, 22:33
- Cloth and herb to heal wounds.
*cough* Resident Evil *cough*

- Weather system that animals and human enemies react to.
Ooh, I love the idea of this. I hope they pull it off.

- Lara can climb trees, hide in bushes, swim.
This got me excited for some reason.

- CD talks about doing more with tombs and puzzles this time around.
Well, you'd flipp'n hope so...


Well, they did just release Osiris :D
The same team?


On one of the screens I'm seeing.... Lara using FLARES :eek:
Stahp!

Rai
3rd Feb 2015, 22:34
@ TheArcaneHuntress, We have seen that symbol before. I think it's similar to the one seen on the tomb in the trailer.

a_big_house
3rd Feb 2015, 22:35
On one of the screens I'm seeing.... Lara using FLARES :eek:

Yeeeesssss!!!!!! :D

Driber
3rd Feb 2015, 22:54
It's about evolving Driber.

It's about smart business practices, Murph. Still plenty of people use last gen.


It is time to let go of the previous gen systems as they are long since tapped out.

Some of the most gorgeous looking games of last gen have only been released fairly recently.


I could have mentioned any number of games only coming to current gen and PC.

And I could have mentioned many games that came to last gen fairly recently.


One of the more current releases Dying Light was slated for the older systems but Techland decided to drop those and smartly so.

You're recycling the same argument you already posted before.


I'd put my money on that if there was no deal with Microsoft then CD would have solely focused on the 8th gen systems and PC so I think part of it is Microsoft forcing ROTTR to be shoehorned onto the Xbox 360.

Pure speculation. I'm not convinced unless I see some actual evidence.

Tihocan
3rd Feb 2015, 23:08
It's about smart business practices, Murph. Still plenty of people use last gen.

Saturation, effectively. If it can be provided to earlier components with minimal effort, then it only makes sense.
e.g.
- Apple iPhone/Pad releasing software on older (capable) devices
- Skylanders releasing on many cross-gen platforms despite the hardware requirements
- Any PC developer that allows a "low visual settings"

Case in point: The enraged PC owners on the release of the "quad-core only" Dragon Age.
Apparently someone found a hacky workaround for dual core which - surprise surprise - allowed the game to run on the higher end dual core machines.

TheDragon36
3rd Feb 2015, 23:11
Look how lara looks like :)
*scanned image removed*

Tihocan
3rd Feb 2015, 23:15
Look how lara looks like :)


Dude, no scans.
*rightclicksave*
My Glob she's pretty.

Edit: Looking closer at the cover, theres a symbol on the tree to the left of lara, Thoughts? Trinity?

Hmmm. I was in no way enamoured to the Trinity group, after reading the book. Especially Kennard.

TheArcaneHuntress
3rd Feb 2015, 23:29
Guyyyyyysss don't post the scans, Some of us actually want to wait to see them and as said before against the exclusivity agreement)

Tridenter
3rd Feb 2015, 23:53
It's about evolving Driber. It is time to let go of the previous gen systems as they are long since tapped out. I could have mentioned any number of games only coming to current gen and PC. One of the more current releases Dying Light was slated for the older systems but Techland decided to drop those and smartly so. I'd put my money on that if there was no deal with Microsoft then CD would have solely focused on the 8th gen systems and PC so I think part of it is Microsoft forcing ROTTR to be shoehorned onto the Xbox 360.

Dark Souls II came SOLELY to last gen systems. You also have:

Mortal Kombat X
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Resident Evil: Revelations 2
Battlefield: Hardline
Dragonball Xenoverse

Just to name a few of the anticipated titles coming to last gen consoles as well and we're still in the beginning of the year. Sony and Microsoft both disagree with you as they say they still have plans for both consoles. Telltale Games is still making great use of all consoles as did Dontnod recently for Life is Strange.

Nevermind you're shaming CD for doing it when it's not - Nixxes is developing the 360 version, and they did wonderfully doing ports for Tomb Raider, Thief, Hitman: Absolution, Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris, Deus Ex: Human Revolution and even past Tomb Raider titles.

Tridenter
3rd Feb 2015, 23:57
Edit: Looking closer at the cover, theres a symbol on the tree to the left of lara, Thoughts? Trinity?

You can actually find this image on the main Tomb Raider site, under Images! The link image title for it lists it as "crosshair" if I recall correctly. Looks almost like some kind of Celtic cross to me or something but there's nothing in the center.

EDIT: Actually looks like they changed it recently, it now says "REMI Logo": http://www.tombraider.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/REMI_Logo.jpg

Murphdawg1
4th Feb 2015, 00:05
Dark Souls II came SOLELY to last gen systems. You also have:

Mortal Kombat X
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Resident Evil: Revelations 2
Battlefield: Hardline
Dragonball Xenoverse

Just to name a few of the anticipated titles coming to last gen consoles as well and we're still in the beginning of the year. Sony and Microsoft both disagree with you as they say they still have plans for both consoles. Telltale Games is still making great use of all consoles as did Dontnod recently for Life is Strange.

Nevermind you're shaming CD for doing it when it's not - Nixxes is developing the 360 version, and they did wonderfully doing ports for Tomb Raider, Thief, Hitman: Absolution, Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris, Deus Ex: Human Revolution and even past Tomb Raider titles.

Didn't Dark Souls II come out before the new systems arrived? Other than Sony San Diego which makes the MLB series, none of Sony's 1st party studios on working on PS3 games, they're all focused on PS4 as it should be because you have to give people a reason to make the leap to the current gen consoles. MGS V, Battlefield Hardline will certainly look and run better on the newer consoles compared to last gen. Anyone who buys ROTTR for the 360 will more than likely be getting a seriously gimped game.

WinterSoldierLTE
4th Feb 2015, 00:35
Plus there was "Assassin's Creed: Rouge" exclusively on PS3. The "Last gen" may not be the now, but it's not gone yet.

Tihocan
4th Feb 2015, 00:45
Anyone who buys ROTTR for the 360 will more than likely be getting a seriously gimped game.

Gimped how - visually? Of course they will. Just like anyone who can't afford / build a PC of $1000 to get the best out of PC visuals would.

Structurally, it's not a given. Provided the engine can make the best out of a platform and the game doesn't push the "live" on screen element limits and concurrent world data at any given time, it will do just fine.

Murphdawg1
4th Feb 2015, 01:12
Plus there was "Assassin's Creed: Rouge" exclusively on PS3. The "Last gen" may not be the now, but it's not gone yet.

Rogue is probably the last AC game for the 7th gen. I think Assassin's Creed Victory will only be current gen and PC with no AC game this year for PS3 and Xbox 360.

Murphdawg1
4th Feb 2015, 02:31
can't wait to see this game hand Uncharted 4 its a** this holiday. The queen is back.

Uncharted 4 will probably now crush ROTTR with it only being an Xbox exclusive. Tomb Raider's best chance was being a multiplat release.

AlexWeiss
4th Feb 2015, 03:02
In one of the screens of the GI story I'm seeing.... Lara using FLARES :eek:
All this news makes me much less pessimistic, and flares seem so little of a thing and I'm just like :worship:

Woogiemush
4th Feb 2015, 05:32
OH MY GOD.

Well, first off, I am back to the forums! (yay). I really like this new layout/website.

Secondly, my heart skipped a beat when I searched 'Tomb Raider' and saw the news about it. I've been doing that for the past few months to see if anything would pop up, any news, etc, but it finally has and I am SO excited. I am also very, incredibly, ultra excited that it is coming out in the fall (as I read here): http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2015/02/03/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-takes-lara-siberia-searches-secrets-immortality/

I cannot wait to see Lara, the new animations, the new clothes, the new animals, the new AI, the new everything. This is also near my birthday (hopefully, mine is November). I just can't wait for a later release!

SO EXCITED. That red jacket doe.

One thing...I think they should remove the red climbing tools and give her some new tools. It just feels like they're being lazy (I know they are not, but it just feels like that).

TheArcaneHuntress
4th Feb 2015, 07:00
Posted this in another thread though it hasn't seemed to have received enough attention so reposting here:

Camilla just posted this @_@ what does it mean??

http://s27.postimg.org/rlqpg5vdr/Untitled.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/rlqpg5vdr/)

RybatGrimes
4th Feb 2015, 07:23
Could it be when the magazine hits shelves? Idk..

I just finished reading the article and I'm glad to have read that they're not letting the existence of the 360 version limit themselves, I was worried that that might hold them back since they'd have to develop the game with the past gens limitations in mind, but that's not the case and I couldn't be happier.

But what I'm not really happy about is something Valenka pointed out earlier. With that desert-ie screenshot, Lara's wearing the same holster from TR 2013, and I mean... the whole outfit looks like the reboots but when the saturation slider turned all the way down. I just don't know why Lara would keep using that raggedy old holster when she only used it because she was a scavenger on Yamatai and had too. It especially doesn't make too much sense when they make a point about Lara upgrading equipment since she's not on Yamatai anymore and having better resources but then she's over here with the same outfit, holster, and busted radio from the island. :p

I hope the holster and outfit is changed further into development because it just looks rather lazy to be using the same holster and same outfit design from a previous game. >.>

Tihocan
4th Feb 2015, 08:07
I just don't know why Lara would keep using that raggedy old holster when she only used it because she was a scavenger on Yamatai and had too.
...
I hope the holster and outfit is changed further into development because it just looks rather lazy to be using the same holster and same outfit design from a previous game. >.>

Maybe it's "personal". Some people, when they go through something traumatic, they often hold a reverence for certain things that help them through it.

Then again, things like that become "iconic" when reused - Indiana Jones' hat and jacket, Ash Ketchum's cap, Core's young Lara finding the backpack...

And then there is the possibility that they went with current models for ease of dev...

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 08:34
I just finished reading the article and I'm glad to have read that they're not letting the existence of the 360 version limit themselves, I was worried that that might hold them back since they'd have to develop the game with the past gens limitations in mind, but that's not the case and I couldn't be happier.

I just hope it's like TR'13 versus Definitive Edition. And not like PlayStation 1 versus PC where missions and levels are missing. But I think we're passed that.

Hopefully I can play the 360 version on release and then upgrade to PS4 later. Like playing TR'13 and Definitve. The 360 'blew them away' so I'm guessing that TR'13 may not even have been the tip of the iceberg. :)

IvanaKC
4th Feb 2015, 09:06
OH MY GOD.

Well, first off, I am back to the forums! (yay). I really like this new layout/website.

_____________________________

One thing...I think they should remove the red climbing tools and give her some new tools. It just feels like they're being lazy (I know they are not, but it just feels like that).


Just the right time to hit the forums again. Welcome! :)


Those climbing tool she has are professional climbing axes. I see no reason not to use them especially on the snowy terrain. ;)

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 09:09
The axe worked, having 2 gives even more options to use them. I also think that the grapple (Underworld style) might be back :)

IvanaKC
4th Feb 2015, 09:23
The axe worked, having 2 gives even more options to use them. I also think that the grapple (Underworld style) might be back :)

If it was some old piece of equipment, it wouldn't matter if it worked or not because this time Lara is going willingly where she goes so of course she wants to be prepared with the best. As for grapple, I hated the Underworld gun, it' just unpractical compared to the other grapples. I'm more for the Anniversary one (though Legend wasn't bad, but it sticks to metal surfaces only). In any case, grapple FTW. :D

Shaikh
4th Feb 2015, 09:35
OMG OMG OMG! So excited. :D

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 09:44
If it was some old piece of equipment, it wouldn't matter if it worked or not because this time Lara is going willingly where she goes so of course she wants to be prepared with the best. As for grapple, I hated the Underworld gun, it' just unpractical compared to the other grapples. I'm more for the Anniversary one (though Legend wasn't bad, but it sticks to metal surfaces only). In any case, grapple FTW. :D

Uncharted also 'copied' the axes. So that probably means that the rest of the world loved them too. ^^

It was pretty cool to climb up and down walls with it in Underworld though. Probably one of my favorite mechanics to date!

Blacktron
4th Feb 2015, 09:58
Okay I have read the entire Game Informer article: I feel positive about everything but the following things:

- No sign of dual guns so far. This is rather serious. I got a bet with Metalrocks that if there were no dual guns I would have to put up a Twilight picture as my avatar. Surely Crystal Dynamics can't let that happen! I mean Xbox exclusivity is one thing, but nobody can be cruel enough to let me suffer that!

- No sign of a motorcycle so far... Although that's not as important as the dual guns. And it can still be there, just not showing up yet.

- I had to raise an eyebrow or two when I read the description of one of the cutscenes. Lara is separated from Jonah due to an avalange and she calls him over the radio: 'don't follow me, I have to do this alone.' I will reserve judgement untill I have seen this for myself in it's proper context, but I am somewhat suspicious - some of TR9's more implausible and weak moments from a story perspective were the ways in which Lara separated herself from the rest of the group. 'I need to morn Roth, so you people just go ahead and leave me alone on this Island full of killers' - which she regretted a little later. 'I need to go alone because one person is less likely to be seen, even though I have no idea what the situation will be like and if the stealth approach will be an option.' - and it took very little time before her cover was blown.
If there is not a damn good reason why she should be doing this alone, this scene from TR10 sounds like yet another lazy way to get rid of those pesky compagnions.

Other than that, I am excited for everything I have seen and read. Including the absence of certain things... * cough* Sam *cough* Reyes *sneeze*

Tecstar70
4th Feb 2015, 10:02
November can't come quick enough!

Just one question. Can I buy the print edition in the UK?

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 10:20
Okay I have read the entire Game Informer article: I feel positive about everything but the following things:

- No sign of dual guns so far. This is rather serious. I got a bet with Metalrocks that if there were no dual guns I would have to put up a Twilight picture as my avatar. Surely Crystal Dynamics can't let that happen! I mean Xbox exclusivity is one thing, but nobody can be cruel enough to let me suffer that!



Team Edward!



Other than that, I am excited for everything I have seen and read. Including the absence of certain things... * cough* Sam *cough* Reyes *sneeze*


While I liked Reyes, I don't think she will have a big role in the next game. Although it would be great to see her with her daughter. Sam.. might be saved for later. For now I refresh the IG page every now and then!

Blacktron
4th Feb 2015, 10:41
Team Edward!
Okay let's raise the stakes: if there are no dual guns you get to choose my avatar :D


While I liked Reyes, I don't think she will have a big role in the next game. Although it would be great to see her with her daughter.
Reyes is a horrible selfish monster: I don't care how much you want to get to your daughter, you don't tell the one who risked death and pain to safe your sorry ass that you're gonna maroon her on the Island if she won't do what you're telling her. It's completely unfair that this ungrateful ass survives while a good man like Alex doesn't.

If I can't see her die in agony at least don't let me see her anymore.

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 11:03
I can feel the steam coming out of your ears all the way over here, that is some wicked Reyes-Rage! Mothers can go through great lenghts to get their daughter back. I must say, if I were Reyes, I would have thought Lara was out of line. Not me.

Blacktron
4th Feb 2015, 11:07
At the very least there should be some conflicting feelings: on the one hand there's my daughter, on the other my comrades who are in the same difficult situation as I and who have safed my life already. But no! Reyes thinks 100% about herself.

Captain Picard would never tolerate such selfishness: he would scold her about the duty towards your shipmates who risked their lives to safe yours. Commander Shepard would just slap her in the face :D

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 11:10
Hey, just look at Heavy Rain. Except it's a father that time.:p

Chocolate_shake
4th Feb 2015, 11:15
Reyes does thank Lara for getting them out of the Solaari base if you try to talk to her in the beach level .

She was just on edge because of Roth's death . Yeah , her reasons for hating on Lara were unjustified but understandable

Blacktron
4th Feb 2015, 11:16
@A: I'm unfamiliar with that. Does he also abandon everyone else? After being a prick to them all the time?


Reyes does thank Lara for getting them out of the Solaari base if you try to talk to her in the beach level .

Then Lara says: 'you would do the same for me, right?'
Reyes: 'Er... uh-huh.'

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 11:20
@A: I'm unfamiliar with that. Does he also abandon everyone else? After being a prick to them all the time?

I believe you're able to choose so.



Then Lara says: 'you would do the same for me, right?'
Reyes: 'Er... uh-huh.'

True. But how many people would go through the lenghts Lara did? I don't think many people are that brave.

Blacktron
4th Feb 2015, 11:22
Yeah, Reyes is not even remotely the hero that Lara is, we surely agree on that!

NSW_pride
4th Feb 2015, 11:35
I've seen the screenshots. Impressive! Is what I got to say.

a_big_house
4th Feb 2015, 12:00
The axe worked, having 2 gives even more options to use them. I also think that the grapple (Underworld style) might be back :)

IIRC, the article mentions that Lara uses one of the axes as a grapple hook (attached to her by rope) :D

IvanaKC
4th Feb 2015, 12:08
IIRC, the article mentions that Lara uses one of the axes as a grapple hook (attached to her by rope) :D

Oh come on, they could have given her a real grapple hook! Tying ropes to things is so out of date considering the technology we have today.

Blacktron
4th Feb 2015, 12:10
I don't know, it sounds pretty good to me ^

Phaid_Min6Char_Sigh
4th Feb 2015, 12:10
Let me put it this way: what CD have told Game Informer sounds absolutely great, especially the bigger emphasis on puzzles on exploration - this is exactly what the predecessor solely lacked. So far, they're saying all the right things, it seems Crystal have learnt a bit from their past mistakes.

Crossing fingers this isn't mere PR talk. I also sincerely hope they've put much more effort into the story and writing this time, TR Reboot was rather... lacklustre in this regard.

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 12:20
I don't know, it sounds pretty good to me ^

Indeed. One way or another the grapple is back!

Blacktron
4th Feb 2015, 13:25
Oh gosh! I'm reading in this article that some Crystal D employees had burnouts during the development of TR9 and had to give up all kinds of things from their private lives.
My pity and respect to those people: if it's any consolation I played the game you shed your sweat and tears for 50 times or so.

Rai
4th Feb 2015, 13:40
Let me put it this way: what CD have told Game Informer sounds absolutely great, especially the bigger emphasis on puzzles on exploration - this is exactly what the predecessor solely lacked. So far, they're saying all the right things, it seems Crystal have learnt a bit from their past mistakes.

Crossing fingers this isn't mere PR talk. I also sincerely hope they've put much more effort into the story and writing this time, TR Reboot was rather... lacklustre in this regard.

In the article GI say 'during our demo', which implies the were watching this, not just being told.

Driber
4th Feb 2015, 14:50
Sheesh, why is everyone being so super judgemental the past day :p

I think I heard the term "lazy" about 10 times already in this thread!


Saturation, effectively. If it can be provided to earlier components with minimal effort, then it only makes sense.
e.g.
- Apple iPhone/Pad releasing software on older (capable) devices
- Skylanders releasing on many cross-gen platforms despite the hardware requirements
- Any PC developer that allows a "low visual settings"

Case in point: The enraged PC owners on the release of the "quad-core only" Dragon Age.
Apparently someone found a hacky workaround for dual core which - surprise surprise - allowed the game to run on the higher end dual core machines.

Well said. Especially the part "If it can be provided to earlier components with minimal effort, then it only makes sense." is very true IMO. If CD manages to turn a profit from releasing TR10 on 360/PS3 then it would be crazy not to do that. Many people haven't jumped current gen yet, it would be a lost opportunity to leave them out.


Didn't Dark Souls II come out before the new systems arrived? Other than Sony San Diego which makes the MLB series, none of Sony's 1st party studios on working on PS3 games, they're all focused on PS4

Instead of arguing what other devs are doing, we should be focusing on what actually makes sense. If every dev blindly follows whatever every other dev does, it would seriously hurt the industry as well as the consumers.


as it should be

No.


you have to give people a reason to make the leap to the current gen consoles.

Sure, but that reason needs to be a good one. Forcing people to jump to new gen by purposely stifling support of older gen consoles is a nasty business practice if you ask me. Enabling customers to get the most out of their (expensive) purchase will create trust and customer loyalty.

If a dev manages to make their game look great on last gen, but awesome on current gen, that's the right way to get people to jump who are ready make said jump. Not everyone has the luxury of buying a new console whenever its released.


MGS V, Battlefield Hardline will certainly look and run better on the newer consoles compared to last gen.

Right, and that right there is the natural way, for the lack of a better term, for people to jump. And they should feel free to do it in their own time, not when some corporate suit declares that it's time for them to move on (when often they can't).


Anyone who buys ROTTR for the 360 will more than likely be getting a seriously gimped game.

GI said that they were "blown away" with how awesome the TR10 demo looked on 360.


Gimped how - visually? Of course they will. Just like anyone who can't afford / build a PC of $1000 to get the best out of PC visuals would.

:thumb:


OH MY GOD.

Well, first off, I am back to the forums! (yay). I really like this new layout/website.

Welcome back!

Glad you like our new humble abode :)


One thing...I think they should remove the red climbing tools and give her some new tools. It just feels like they're being lazy (I know they are not, but it just feels like that).

What you call lazy I call consistency :p

Do you think Lara's dual guns had a chance to become iconic if Core already replaced them for another weapon in TR2? :whistle:


I just finished reading the article and I'm glad to have read that they're not letting the existence of the 360 version limit themselves, I was worried that that might hold them back since they'd have to develop the game with the past gens limitations in mind, but that's not the case and I couldn't be happier.

Which is exactly what we've been saying for ages on here, heh.


But what I'm not really happy about is something Valenka pointed out earlier. With that desert-ie screenshot, Lara's wearing the same holster from TR 2013, and I mean... the whole outfit looks like the reboots but when the saturation slider turned all the way down. I just don't know why Lara would keep using that raggedy old holster when she only used it because she was a scavenger on Yamatai and had too.

Sentimental reasons, perhaps? :)


It especially doesn't make too much sense when they make a point about Lara upgrading equipment since she's not on Yamatai anymore and having better resources but then she's over here with the same outfit, holster, and busted radio from the island. :p

C'mon now, she obviously isn't using the same busted radio from Yamatai. Lara is smarter than that.


I hope the holster and outfit is changed further into development because it just looks rather lazy to be using the same holster and same outfit design from a previous game. >.>

Regarding the outfit, I'm with you that it should be different. But not for the reason you mentioned. Lara's baggy, brown, dull pants were just awful from an aesthetics POV. She needs something with a bit more flare than that. Survivor or not, she's still a young woman.


- I had to raise an eyebrow or two when I read the description of one of the cutscenes. Lara is separated from Jonah due to an avalange and she calls him over the radio: 'don't follow me, I have to do this alone.' I will reserve judgement untill I have seen this for myself in it's proper context, but I am somewhat suspicious - some of TR9's more implausible and weak moments from a story perspective were the ways in which Lara separated herself from the rest of the group. 'I need to morn Roth, so you people just go ahead and leave me alone on this Island full of killers' - which she regretted a little later. 'I need to go alone because one person is less likely to be seen, even though I have no idea what the situation will be like and if the stealth approach will be an option.' - and it took very little time before her cover was blown.
If there is not a damn good reason why she should be doing this alone, this scene from TR10 sounds like yet another lazy way to get rid of those pesky compagnions.

How is wanting to be alone due to Roth's death "implausible"? Different people mourn in different ways. There is no "correct" way to mourn.

And the fact that she regretted it only shows that she's human, and humans make mistakes and bad decisions. If Lara and her crew mates did everything perfect in TR9, I bet it would have been a pretty boring game.


If there is not a damn good reason why she should be doing this alone, this scene from TR10 sounds like yet another lazy way to get rid of those pesky compagnions.

I don't see how Lara being stubborn is lazy. Lara has always had a mind of her own like that. That is one of the things that makes her character interesting. If her wanting to do something on her own was used as a plot device to emphasise the lone wolf side of Lara's character (she's had this side since the classic games, and it works really well) then I would say - good on CD!

And you're right, her compagnions are pesky :p


Other than that, I am excited for everything I have seen and read. Including the absence of certain things... * cough* Sam *cough* Reyes *sneeze*

You don't like Sam very much, I take it? :D


Reyes is a horrible selfish monster: I don't care how much you want to get to your daughter, you don't tell the one who risked death and pain to safe your sorry ass that you're gonna maroon her on the Island if she won't do what you're telling her. It's completely unfair that this ungrateful ass survives while a good man like Alex doesn't.

If I can't see her die in agony at least don't let me see her anymore.

Yikes! :eek:


I can feel the steam coming out of your ears all the way over here, that is some wicked Reyes-Rage! Mothers can go through great lenghts to get their daughter back. I must say, if I were Reyes, I would have thought Lara was out of line. Not me.

True, mothers (and fathers!) can go through great lengths for their children, but in Reyes' case I wouldn't nessesarily attribute her behaviour to her daughter being in danger; Reyes is just a ***** for all the time, lol.


Oh come on, they could have given her a real grapple hook! Tying ropes to things is so out of date considering the technology we have today.

I dunno, Ivana... I think it worked pretty well in TR9 with the rope are arrows :)


In the article GI say 'during our demo', which implies the were watching this, not just being told.

You also read it from the way they describe the scenes throughout the article. It's clear GI is retelling the scenes in their own words what they've played/seen on screen rather than simply regurgitating PR texts.

Murphdawg1
4th Feb 2015, 14:57
Since we've been having a discussion about why devs should drop last gen, I feel this is appropriate. 5I_AKaC5liE

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 15:00
Wow, look at all the work you just went through. That deserves a :thumb:

I hear a lot of people dislike the characters in TR'13 because they're too blunt. I can't say I disagree, but I don't agree either. They're not all bad. You just don't know them well enough. It's not like Lara travels side by side the whole time. Lara working with Jonah will probably give an extra edge to his character. Maybe even the people that disliked him in the first game will grow to love him. I mean just look at that picture of him and Lara, he's like a big protective teddy bear. :)

IvanaKC
4th Feb 2015, 15:03
I dunno, Ivana... I think it worked pretty well in TR9 with the rope are arrows :)

Because it was all Lara could find. I sure didn't expect her to find a real grapple in the middle of nowhere. Now, it's not like they cannot make an aiming system for grapple like they did with bow and arrow. A simple click on a button, aim and fire and your hook is attached. This whole survival thing is not going to work for an adventure you willingly go on, where you expect to do stuff. Why improvise if you can simply prepare? Keep in mind that's my opinion. However, I can't stop wondering who is crazy enough to climb snowy mountains without certain equipment? :hmm:




Lara working with Jonah will probably give an extra edge to his character. Maybe even the people that disliked him in the first game will grow to love him. I mean just look at that picture of him and Lara, he's like a big protective teddy bear. :)

I totally agree with that. :D First thing that came to my mind when I saw that pic was that he looks like Lara's guardian of some kind.

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 15:16
For the dualwielding fans out there!

Driber
4th Feb 2015, 15:23
Since we've been having a discussion about why devs should drop last gen, I feel this is appropriate. 5I_AKaC5liE

Oh boy, where do I start...


Why? Why are we still doing this? Why? Why Microsoft? Why???

I picture him flailing his arms in the air like a madman here :p


***a little while later***


I know why - because of money.

Alright, so there's your reason!


But come on!

"Come on". Brilliant argument. I think I shall concede now. I've been put in my place with this piece of superior logic.


I don't care about last gen players. Screw them.

Another piece of brilliant argumentation - "screw them".

Funny... if MS had the balls to say something like this on a topic that this guy disagrees with MS on, I bet he would be LIVID :p


350 dollars is practically for free.

Spoken like a true spoiled rich kid.


I'm sure everyone would have found a way to buy an xbone.

Spoken like a true spoiled rich kid who lives in his own little bubble.


I don't think I'm being insensitive, I'm being practical right now.

Sure you're not, Mr Let Them Eat Cake. Sitting on your arse and spouting your ignorant nonsense from the comfort of your luxery home without caring what's going on in the real world is very "practical".

Holy crap, the level of cognitive dissonance in this guy's mind must be through the roof.

I stopped watching at this point. Couldn't take more of this guy's drivel :p

Sorry, Murph, but in my book that video does nothing in favour of your argument. In fact, it only hurts you if this is the kind of attitude you share on the subject :whistle:


Wow, look at all the work you just went through. That deserves a :thumb:

Who, me or Murph?

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 15:25
Who, me or Murph?

I ment you. One can only type ]quote] ]/quote] for so many times. :)

Tecstar70
4th Feb 2015, 15:27
Just reading the article now. Great to finally read something official talking about the game!

Lots of great info and gives you a great idea of what CD are trying to do with the game.

The scene in the trailer with the psychiatrist wont necessarily be in the game.

"She is being called crazy as much as she is crazy"

The inference is that Jonah gets left behind at the beginning, initially at least, but this is just my interpretation.

Murphdawg1
4th Feb 2015, 15:36
@Driber, if the same game is available to both the current and last gen consoles, what makes you think someone who only owns a last gen console is going to want to spend $350-400 on a new system if they can still keep playing those games on the system they have? You have to make games that are only for the new systems in order for people to want to buy them.

Tecstar70
4th Feb 2015, 15:40
@Driber, if the same game is available to both the current and last gen consoles, what makes you think someone who only owns a last gen console is going to want to spend $350-400 on a new system if they can still keep playing those games on the system they have? You have to make games that are only for the new systems in order for people to want to buy them.

But if CD/SE said we are making it only for new-gen isn't that the kind of exclusivity to a platform that has had all the non-Xbox owners up in arms? Isn't that advocating a similar move to what has been done already?

People are still buying Xbox 360's and PS3's so why should a game exclude those people, not just on financial grounds (which I am sure is a factor) but because of the loyal fanbase?

I agree it's a good way to get peple to move, but that is the console manufacturers job surely? At the moment they seem happy to sell PS3's and 360's as much as XB1's and PS4's.

Driber
4th Feb 2015, 15:52
I hear a lot of people dislike the characters in TR'13 because they're too blunt. I can't say I disagree, but I don't agree either. They're not all bad. You just don't know them well enough. It's not like Lara travels side by side the whole time. Lara working with Jonah will probably give an extra edge to his character. Maybe even the people that disliked him in the first game will grow to love him. I mean just look at that picture of him and Lara, he's like a big protective teddy bear. :)

How could anyone not like Jonah in TR9!

And yeah, he's that protective teddy bear type indeed, heh. Already thought of him like that in TR9 :)


Because it was all Lara could find. I sure didn't expect her to find a real grapple in the middle of nowhere. Now, it's not like they cannot make an aiming system for grapple like they did with bow and arrow. A simple click on a button, aim and fire and your hook is attached. This whole survival thing is not going to work for an adventure you willingly go on, where you expect to do stuff.

Are you saying that a grappling hook a-la ice axe + rope wouldn't work because no aiming system would allow it? :scratch:

As for not finding a grapple in the middle of nowhere - Lara found plenty of things on Yamatai, including the automated rope device thingy which name currently eludes me, lol. So why not a grapple hook, if Lara is surrounded by crashing ships that could have had anything on board?


Why improvise if you can simply prepare?

Maybe she did prepare but lost some of her gear somewhere down the line of her adventure? After all, TR9 used the same plot device - the crew was prepared to some extend, but then their ship went down, which caused them to improvise a lot of things.


However, I can't stop wondering who is crazy enough to climb snowy mountains without certain equipment? :hmm:

Like I said, something unforseen could happen which forces Lara to fall back on improvisation (to an extend; she seems way more prepared this time around) :)


I ment you. One can only type ]quote] ]/quote] for so many times. :)

In that case, thank you :)


@Driber, if the same game is available to both the current and last gen consoles, what makes you think someone who only owns a last gen console is going to want to spend $350-400 on a new system if they can still keep playing those games on the system they have?

I'm pretty sure I already answered this question - http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=151737&p=2102721#post2102721


You have to make games that are only for the new systems in order for people to want to buy them.

Not necessarily. Again, I addressed this in my earlier post, linked above.


I agree it's a good way to get peple to move, but that is the console manufacturers job surely? At the moment they seem happy to sell PS3's and 360's as much as XB1's and PS4's.

That is an excellent point. I didn't even think of that.

Indeed, if MS is sooo concerned about making people jump to next gen, they should have stopped selling 360's the second that the XB1 was released. Same for Sony.

Murphdawg1
4th Feb 2015, 15:53
But if CD/SE said we are making it only for new-gen isn't that the kind of exclusivity to a platform that has had all the non-Xbox owners up in arms? Isn't that advocating a similar move to what has been done already?

People are still buying Xbox 360's and PS3's so why should a game exclude those people, not just on financial grounds (which I am sure is a factor) but because of the loyal fanbase?

I agree it's a good way to get peple to move, but that is the console manufacturers job surely? At the moment they seem happy to sell PS3's and 360's as much as XB1's and PS4's.

No, one is a business deal while the other is acknowledging the technological limitations of the previous gen hardware and moving on from it. There's a reason a game like Arkham Knight isn't on the PS3 and Xbox 360 and I believe that reason is those systems wouldn't even be able to handle the Batmobile let alone a Gotham City that is 5x larger than that of Arkham City. Tomb Raider 2013 came out after the PS4 had been announced, I doubt anyone who has played the game has said "man I can't wait to play the sequel on my PS3 or Xbox 360" No it's probably more like "Man I can't wait for Tomb Raider to be on next-gen."

a_big_house
4th Feb 2015, 16:07
It's coming out on 360, get over it. Its bad enough the game is currently limited to one platform, don't wish for it to be worse and have it only be on one console full stop :hmm:

WinterSoldierLTE
4th Feb 2015, 16:08
What exactly do the Xbone and PS4 do that "older" systems can't besides have a better graphics capability when it comes to gameplay? Not talking the social networking features or Netflix or anything, actual game enhancement qualities?

RybatGrimes
4th Feb 2015, 16:19
Sentimental reasons, perhaps? :)

Hmm, I would be more inclined to agree with that if they actually had a moment in the reboot showing Lara finding the holster and putting it on, or something along those lines, but it just pops on Lara out of no where after she kills Vlad. :p Lara doesn't act like it holds any kind of significance so it doesn't really translate for me. Plus idk, I'm just not sure why she'd want to keep equipment used by the man that attempted to murder her in a really twisted way, since it's safe to assume that that's where she got it from, since it appears on her after she killed him.


C'mon now, she obviously isn't using the same busted radio from Yamatai. Lara is smarter than that.

Yeah, obviously, I was just being dramatic. :p I just figured if she'd have a radio again they'd at least change the texture or the model a little to refrain from this kinda stuff from happening, since we all know players would notice, especially nit picky TR fans. :p


Regarding the outfit, I'm with you that it should be different. But not for the reason you mentioned. Lara's baggy, brown, dull pants were just awful from an aesthetics POV. She needs something with a bit more flare than that. Survivor or not, she's still a young woman.

Yeah I want some more flare in her wardrobe too, I'm just sick of seeing that outfit combo after the reboot. Tanktop, pants, boots, and that god forsaken holster. After almost 4 years of seeing it I need a different outfit. :p

Also, a few things I forgotten to mention, I'm really glad Jonah's back! I'm kind of surprised how much he's grown on me, I mean, I liked him in the reboot, but I really love him and Lara's relationship. Let's hope there's lots of "little bird" moments. :D

And last, I think we all need to start accepting that the dual pistols aren't coming back. :\ (and neither is Lara wearing a backpack I guess? Since a practical way to explain how Lara lugs around everything she finds isn't CD's cup of tea :p ) it's obvious by now that CD has their own vision for what Lara's trademark weapon is and what's "iconic" to her. I think we need to set up a support group. :p

AdobeArtist
4th Feb 2015, 16:29
Hmm, time to fit Lara into a very snug fitting swimsuit :naughty:


AA incoming in 3.... 2.... 1......

You rrrrrrrrrrrang? :cool:

And let's get her in a DRESS already :p:o

I am So liking what I'm reading. Expanding on the tombs & puzzles. Return of swimming. YES PLEASE :D
Oh and I took two of the new images and made a Facebook cover photo from them :)

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Murphdawg1
4th Feb 2015, 16:30
You rrrrrrrrrrrang? :cool:

And let's get her in a DRESS already :p:o

I am So liking what I'm reading. Expanding on the tombs & puzzles. Return of swimming. YES PLEASE :D
Oh and I took two of the new images and made a Facebook cover photo from them :)

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Who runs around the Siberian wilderness in a dress?

RybatGrimes
4th Feb 2015, 16:33
Who runs around the Siberian wilderness in a dress?

Who runs around Tibet in shorts? :p

AdobeArtist
4th Feb 2015, 16:40
Who runs around Tibet in shorts? :p

Bazinga!! :tongue2::whistle:

Tecstar70
4th Feb 2015, 16:53
That is an excellent point. I didn't even think of that.

:D


No, one is a business deal while the other is acknowledging the technological limitations of the previous gen hardware and moving on from it. There's a reason a game like Arkham Knight isn't on the PS3 and Xbox 360 and I believe that reason is those systems wouldn't even be able to handle the Batmobile let alone a Gotham City that is 5x larger than that of Arkham City. Tomb Raider 2013 came out after the PS4 had been announced, I doubt anyone who has played the game has said "man I can't wait to play the sequel on my PS3 or Xbox 360" No it's probably more like "Man I can't wait for Tomb Raider to be on next-gen."

You can acknowledge the limitations but still release a game to a thriving community. That's business sense from a game developers perspective. Saying your not going to release your game on last-gen at this time could be financially as bad as saying your only going to release it on one new-gen platform! At the brutal end of this that fact: last gen+new gen = bigger profits.

I don't know the business model the devs of Batman:AK are working to but if they can do it without last-gen then good luck to them but there are gonna be a lot of disappointed customers out there.

Murphdawg1
4th Feb 2015, 17:53
:D



You can acknowledge the limitations but still release a game to a thriving community. That's business sense from a game developers perspective. Saying your not going to release your game on last-gen at this time could be financially as bad as saying your only going to release it on one new-gen platform! At the brutal end of this that fact: last gen+new gen = bigger profits.

I don't know the business model the devs of Batman:AK are working to but if they can do it without last-gen then good luck to them but there are gonna be a lot of disappointed customers out there.

Folks only on last gen can't keep expecting the latest and greatest to come to the decade old platforms, it holds games and game developers back from evolving and becoming better. Not to mention the current consoles are selling quite well if that wasn't the case then yeah it's a different story but as it stands the PS4 especially is doing quite well which is why it was a mistake for Square to enter into an agreement with Microsoft. By the time ROTTR comes out this year there will likely be 30-40 million PS4s in peoples homes.

a_big_house
4th Feb 2015, 18:01
Folks only on last gen can't keep expecting the latest and greatest to come to the decade old platforms, it holds games and game developers back from evolving and becoming better. Not to mention the current consoles are selling quite well if that wasn't the case then yeah it's a different story but as it stands the PS4 especially is doing quite well which is why it was a mistake for Square to enter into an agreement with Microsoft. By the time ROTTR comes out this year there will likely be 30-40 million PS4s in peoples homes.

Well since CD aren't making the 360 version, your 'it's holding them back' argument is invalid. I have a PS4 and am thankful it's coming out on 360 and even if the there wasn't an exclusivity deal, I'd still be happy that there's a last gen release :o

Murphdawg1
4th Feb 2015, 18:07
Well since CD aren't making the 360 version, your 'it's holding them back' argument is invalid. I have a PS4 and am thankful it's coming out on 360 and even if the there wasn't an exclusivity deal, I'd still be happy that there's a last gen release :o

I'm sure you'd rather be playing it on your PS4 to get the best experience. I wouldn't be surprised if the 360 version is missing some features and will struggle to maintain 30fps.

a_big_house
4th Feb 2015, 18:13
I'm sure you'd rather be playing it on your PS4 to get the best experience. I wouldn't be surprised if the 360 version is missing some features and will struggle to maintain 30fps.

Yeah, I would but I can't and the 360 version is the next best thing and I'm sure the 360 will be as good as they can make it, which will be good enough for me

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 18:19
Just reading the article now. Great to finally read something official talking about the game!

Lots of great info and gives you a great idea of what CD are trying to do with the game.

The scene in the trailer with the psychiatrist wont necessarily be in the game.

"She is being called crazy as much as she is crazy"

The inference is that Jonah gets left behind at the beginning, initially at least, but this is just my interpretation.

I was just thinking about it on the train. Cause when I played TR9 for the first time, I was surpirsed to see the trailer cinematic as the first cutscene in the game (very poorly too, on PS3). I wonder if the teaser will be the first cutscene in Rise as well.

TheArcaneHuntress
4th Feb 2015, 18:39
There comes a point when you can no longer debate with someone and need to realize they just aren't going to agree with you. The fact that this is coming to last gen isn't really impeding anyone's ability to play it. They've already expressed that last gen is not holding them back. Secondly I do not know where this idea that last gen is "holding current gen back" came from. We're not developers for the most part so I am hesitant to believe much of us can even prove that.

Furthermore I feel its a bit unfair to ignore the financial side of this. Tomb Raider is making its come back, it needs to make as big of a splash as it can. I for one admire Crystal's tenacity towards putting Lara on top again. Giving Tomb Raider the largest potential for success is smart, and lets not forget that success now means more freedom later.

Discussing concerns about the future is one thing, arguing for the sake of disagreeing is another issue entirely. Rise of The Tomb Raider just got a cover reveal guys! Lets just enjoy that :D

Murphdawg1
4th Feb 2015, 18:43
Yeah, I would but I can't and the 360 version is the next best thing and I'm sure the 360 will be as good as they can make it, which will be good enough for me

Don't support their shady deal by buying it on the 360. Just wait it out until it comes to PS4 because we all know it will considering all the backlash/demand for it.

Scion_Light
4th Feb 2015, 18:51
At the moment there is a lot of the gaming community still on PS3 and xbox 360 so there still a definite market for making a version for these consoles. It will boost game sales. The daft thing is not to get this out to PS3, PS4 and PC on day 1 as would be best for TR.

The look of the new game, bigger puzzles and increase in animal enemies seems real good. I do believe already from what I see this will be the best TR CD have made so long as it comes out on PC or PS3 for me to get to see how good it is.

Blacktron
4th Feb 2015, 18:58
Don't support their shady deal by buying it on the 360. Just wait it out until it comes to PS4 because we all know it will considering all the backlash/demand for it.
You won't support them by buying the Xbox and the game second hand. I am considering doing that. I am also considering buying the eventual PS4 version second hand. If they don't respect the consumer they don't deserve my monetary support.

Murphdawg1
4th Feb 2015, 19:10
You won't support them by buying the Xbox and the game second hand. I am considering doing that. I am also considering buying the eventual PS4 version second hand. If they don't respect the consumer they don't deserve my monetary support.

I have no interest in an Xbox One.

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 19:10
Can we all just take a moment and appreciate that there will be a version of the game on a cheaper device? I mean, it could have been a real Xbox One exclusive. Not really a console that you can get for $50 or borrow from a friend for a while.

Blacktron
4th Feb 2015, 19:19
I have no interest in an Xbox One.
I meant a 360. They're really cheap now. Doubly so when second hand.

Can we all just take a moment and appreciate that there will be a version of the game on a cheaper device? I mean, it could have been a real Xbox One exclusive. Not really a console that you can get for $50 or borrow from a friend for a while.
You're right, that is something of a solution for some people. I'm undecided whether I will do so, however.

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 19:25
Just curious, but why would you not? As a matter of principle?

Murphdawg1
4th Feb 2015, 19:33
I meant a 360. They're really cheap now. Doubly so when second hand.

You're right, that is something of a solution for some people. I'm undecided whether I will do so, however.

Never had an interest in a 360 either, If I did I would have already bought one.

Blacktron
4th Feb 2015, 19:44
Just curious, but why would you not? As a matter of principle?
Well it's more like a combination of buying second hand being a little more effort and risky (it may be a swindler) than just buying it in the store, the lesser graphics, and me not having any interest in any other 360 games. I will have to see how long this Xbax exclusivity lasts to make up my mind whether it would be worth the trouble.

However, the graphics are probably not gonna be any worse than the 360&PS3 versions of TR9, and those were fine with me, so I guess that part of the consideration is already out.

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 19:56
Ah gotcha. 360's are risky. Today I met someone who's had 6 of em, some even a brand new Slim versions. But lucky for us, we don't have to worry about the graphics. The difference won't be night and day, it might even look better than TR9! As for the PS4 release... I'm at 6 to 12 months. A dangerously long time when you want to avoid spoilers.

Blacktron
4th Feb 2015, 20:05
As for the PS4 release... I'm at 6 to 12 months. A dangerously long time when you want to avoid spoilers.
Indeed, good luck everybody :D

Anyway, there's plenty of time to make up my mind.

Rai
4th Feb 2015, 20:31
For anyone who's interested, the GI TR hub has been updated.

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 20:55
Just saw the video! I love their new idea of stealth and adding a bit of 'MetroidVania' to it. I'm guessing we're getting a TR9 on steroids with a bit of Last of Us in there. But probably a little more fast paced.

TheArcaneHuntress
4th Feb 2015, 20:58
Ya :3 The hunting down of new materials for Weapons and gear sounds awesome! Also I really love that they are expanding on the evolution of environments :D Annnd the tommmbbss

AdeleDazeem
4th Feb 2015, 21:04
Did you guys see the dualwielding scene from TR9?! I wonder why they used it, hmmmm?

Next update feb 6? So we're skipping the 5th, good to know. Otherwise I would have refreshed the page every 10 seconds again.

Blacktron
4th Feb 2015, 21:52
Did you guys see the dualwielding scene from TR9?! I wonder why they used it, hmmmm?
Could be a subtile hint indeed.

I still believe there will be dual wielding: otherwise I have no idea what that story about Roth passing his guns on to Lara was about. When the mentor dies, he passes his beloved atributes on to the pupil to whom they will become iconic trademarks: it's a story as classic as Beethoven's fifth.

IvanaKC
4th Feb 2015, 21:55
Are you saying that a grappling hook a-la ice axe + rope wouldn't work because no aiming system would allow it? :scratch:


I'm not saying it would not be efficient (as in, it wouldn't serve the purpose). When I said it wouldn't work today, I meant that next to all the gear modern society has to offer, Lara chose a rope with an axe? :scratch:




As for not finding a grapple in the middle of nowhere - Lara found plenty of things on Yamatai, including the automated rope device thingy which name currently eludes me, lol. So why not a grapple hook, if Lara is surrounded by crashing ships that could have had anything on board?

That wasn't the point. Of course she could find anything, but it's not like I'm expecting her to find fancy things. If she does, great, if she doesn't, it was deserted island anyway.





Maybe she did prepare but lost some of her gear somewhere down the line of her adventure? After all, TR9 used the same plot device - the crew was prepared to some extend, but then their ship went down, which caused them to improvise a lot of things.



Yeah, like I'm all willing to go through recycling of the "loosing gear in an accident" story. Besides, it's her and Jonah this time, how many stuff do they actually need or are capable of carrying. Only what's necessary and when you go mountain climbing, one little grapple could save your life, but it takes nothing to just add it to your equipment belt (or whatever).

Tihocan
4th Feb 2015, 22:07
I wouldn't be surprised if the 360 version is missing some features and will struggle to maintain 30fps.

If it doesn't, then Nixxes have done a terrible job in texture scaling and renderer buffer management.

I'll make the same point again of PC on low/high visual settings. Comparatively, the X360 version may look horrible, but it should play just as well.

Processor wise it could simply be the difference of how environmental particles behave/appear, and how much of the world is held in memory. You could argue that, in any case where Lara may be travelling quickly (on a motorcycle or what have you) that certain things may struggle to load in time. Then you would have the "GTA San Andreas"-style pop in which would render the game unplayable for most. But that is greatly unlikely with current engines.

I think, at this point, we can safely assume that RotTR is being developed irrelevant to last gen and that Nixxes is capable enough to create a downgrade port that will be "enough" for the owners of such.

TheArcaneHuntress
4th Feb 2015, 22:42
Could be a subtile hint indeed.

I still believe there will be dual wielding: otherwise I have no idea what that story about Roth passing his guns on to Lara was about. When the mentor dies, he passes his beloved atributes on to the pupil to whom they will become iconic trademarks: it's a story as classic as Beethoven's fifth.

I'm not entirely certain this wasn't happening, though I felt that scene was more so a nod to the classic lara. Lara picking up the weapons that were in front of her and taking out all her rage on Mathias.

Blacktron
4th Feb 2015, 23:33
I can hardly think so. Nods generally aren't so in-your-face, they're more subtile: like 'Aha!' And if they didn't have a greater meaning I think the dual guns wouldn't have shown up at a pivotal moment like the final bossfight.

Concept art has shown that the original plan was to have Lara receive the guns when Roth died and use them to defend his corpse from the solari. Apparently they decided that the very end of the game was a better moment to let her use the guns for the first time rather than at 3/4, which I agree on, but I do expect them to become a part of her standard image from that moment on.

Anyway, there was some confusion as to whether the Huns would be a playable faction in Attila Total War. Later it became clear: OF COOOOOOOURSE the Huns are a playable faction. It's called Attila Total War after all. Perhaps this is a kinda similar thing.

Driber
5th Feb 2015, 00:33
Hey Murph, I got you a new pair of shoes:

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Murphdawg1
5th Feb 2015, 00:42
Hey Murph, I got you a new pair of shoes:

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You're not helping the situation.

Driber
5th Feb 2015, 00:58
I think the situation is helpless, lol.

Tihocan
5th Feb 2015, 02:51
You're not helping the situation.
Hysterical.


First thing I'm going to do - given the opportunity - is climb a tree to [tree.upperLimit] and jump the Hell out of it.
(I found a critical bug that way in TR2013 :D)

RybatGrimes
5th Feb 2015, 07:32
Did you guys see the dualwielding scene from TR9?! I wonder why they used it, hmmmm?


Lmfao, I knew someone would say that right when I seen it in the video. :lol: I wouldn't read too much into it honestly. I've already given up hope for dual pistols in a modern TR game. Until the day I actually see it happen, I don't believe they're coming back.

AdeleDazeem
5th Feb 2015, 08:26
I'm not entirely certain this wasn't happening, though I felt that scene was more so a nod to the classic lara. Lara picking up the weapons that were in front of her and taking out all her rage on Mathias.

At the time I thought the same. Ever seen the fan-film Croft?

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At a point in the video she hold both pistols in her trademark pose. I cool nod to the past, last only for a second, but still cool. I thought TR9 was similar. But now that Rise is coming up... this might be the point Lara decides to double the bullets :)

Tecstar70
5th Feb 2015, 09:13
Lmfao, I knew someone would say that right when I seen it in the video. :lol: I wouldn't read too much into it honestly. I've already given up hope for dual pistols in a modern TR game. Until the day I actually see it happen, I don't believe they're coming back.


Lara Croft, Tomb Raider, is an iconic figure. One of the reasons she is iconic is because of her dual pistols. In TR2013 she wasn't a Tomb Raider. There was a little nod to the dual pistols at the end of the game. That wasn't by accident. Rise of the Tomb Raider is the next installment in Lara Croft, Student, becoming Lara Croft, Tomb Raider. Will she become a fully fledged Tomb Raider by the end of it? I suspect not quite. Will we see dual pistols by the end of RotTR? After TR2013 I expect to see at least a couple of "nod's". Will we ever see dual pistols? Of course we will! Why wouldn't we? Why wouldn't reboot Lara Croft eventually become the Tomb Raider? Thats the point of the reboot isn't it?

AdeleDazeem
5th Feb 2015, 11:40
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Agreed. It makes sense for them to return, especially now that Rise listens to fan-feedback.

Tihocan
5th Feb 2015, 12:32
At the time I thought the same. Ever seen the fan-film Croft?
That was fun to watch, but the person in charge of music needs to be shot with dual-wielded pistols.

I honestly don't care about dual pistols. It'd be cute, like the end of TR2013, but with the new real-er direction I think two handed would be just too impractical.
She's a young lady, not a military grade assassin who's put a thousand hours on the range to actually make it useful.

AdeleDazeem
5th Feb 2015, 13:21
That was fun to watch, but the person in charge of music needs to be shot with dual-wielded pistols.

I honestly don't care about dual pistols. It'd be cute, like the end of TR2013, but with the new real-er direction I think two handed would be just too impractical.
She's a young lady, not a military grade assassin who's put a thousand hours on the range to actually make it useful.

I thought the music was pretty cool. Especially this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72gMG3Yw9aA) :)

I love the dualwielding, but if they decide to leave it for what it is, that's fine with me. You said it spot on ''but with the new real-er direction I think two handed would be just too impractical''.

Gitb97
5th Feb 2015, 13:23
I'm so happy. She looks 200x better and more like Lara not Camilla. I'm thrilled.

Tihocan
5th Feb 2015, 13:32
I thought the music was pretty cool.

Oh, the music was fine - but overused. Tense silence would have been better in many places.

Shaikh
5th Feb 2015, 14:21
There's a very coolness in the new Lara. And I like that pic where she is reading a book in a library which seems to be the Croft Manor. :)

Gitb97
5th Feb 2015, 14:24
Is the edition out yet or?

TheArcaneHuntress
5th Feb 2015, 14:25
At the time I thought the same. Ever seen the fan-film Croft?

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At a point in the video she hold both pistols in her trademark pose. I cool nod to the past, last only for a second, but still cool. I thought TR9 was similar. But now that Rise is coming up... this might be the point Lara decides to double the bullets :)

Oh YA! I had meant to watch this when it released, I'll watch this soon :3 To the other point, I still feel it was just a nod, as they have said, the bow is her new signature weapon. I feel like reintroducing the dual wielding pistols would betray that idea. I really like the bow and arrow. All the same, if they are reintroducing it ~ I would prefer it to make sense similar to the ending ( She wasn't being flashy, but was taking out her anger ).

AdeleDazeem
5th Feb 2015, 14:32
It's pretty sweet. Probably my favorite fan movie!

True. The bow is her thing now. And I must say, gameplay wise, I prefer the bow. I think the greatest upgrade from Underworld to TR9 would probably the stealh element. I'm so happy that Rise will add even more!

Blacktron
5th Feb 2015, 14:49
True. The bow is her thing now.

Adele, how could you?

HOW COULD YOU!

:D No seriously, dual guns are Lara's fedora and whip, one without the other is like a shoelace without a shoe.

TheArcaneHuntress
5th Feb 2015, 14:55
It's pretty sweet. Probably my favorite fan movie!

True. The bow is her thing now. And I must say, gameplay wise, I prefer the bow. I think the greatest upgrade from Underworld to TR9 would probably the stealh element. I'm so happy that Rise will add even more!

Ya man! Whatever the case is, I'm really excited about how they are going to push the story. I was just thinking about Lara's commentary while you're playing and I am very interested in what she will be saying after the events on yamatai ( also super stoked to see how camilla is going to push the acting ) :D

AdeleDazeem
5th Feb 2015, 15:53
Ya man! Whatever the case is, I'm really excited about how they are going to push the story. I was just thinking about Lara's commentary while you're playing and I am very interested in what she will be saying after the events on yamatai ( also super stoked to see how camilla is going to push the acting ) :D

Indeed! I'm sure Luddington will be even better this time around. :D

I like how we all hate the deal, yet still can talk about the game as enthusiastically as ever. :)


Adele, how could you? HOW COULD YOU!


I'm só sorry, but I prefer the bow. You could say I'm a bowaholic. :P

Murphdawg1
5th Feb 2015, 16:30
Indeed! I'm sure Luddington will be even better this time around. :D

I like how we all hate the deal, yet still can talk about the game as enthusiastically as ever. :)



I'm só sorry, but I prefer the bow. You could say I'm a bowaholic. :P

Well not all of us. Considering the current circumstances, I don't really feel like I am part of the process considering at the moment it's not coming to my platform. At this point ROTTR is no different than say Halo or Forza.

TheArcaneHuntress
5th Feb 2015, 16:37
Indeed! I'm sure Luddington will be even better this time around. :D

I like how we all hate the deal, yet still can talk about the game as enthusiastically as ever. :)



I'm só sorry, but I prefer the bow. You could say I'm a bowaholic. :P

Dat bow doe

RybatGrimes
5th Feb 2015, 18:05
Lara Croft, Tomb Raider, is an iconic figure. One of the reasons she is iconic is because of her dual pistols. In TR2013 she wasn't a Tomb Raider. There was a little nod to the dual pistols at the end of the game. That wasn't by accident. Rise of the Tomb Raider is the next installment in Lara Croft, Student, becoming Lara Croft, Tomb Raider. Will she become a fully fledged Tomb Raider by the end of it? I suspect not quite. Will we see dual pistols by the end of RotTR? After TR2013 I expect to see at least a couple of "nod's". Will we ever see dual pistols? Of course we will! Why wouldn't we? Why wouldn't reboot Lara Croft eventually become the Tomb Raider? Thats the point of the reboot isn't it?

Trust me, I want the dual pistols back just as much as any core fanboy does, but with CD being so gung ho about the bow and their ~iconic~ pick axe, I just don't see them bringing them back. Not to mention it seems like we can't get Lara into anything short these days either. :p Don't get me wrong, I love the reboot, and I'm really liking what I see in RoTTR, but CD just seems very set in their ways of what they think is iconic for Lara and who she is.

Driber
5th Feb 2015, 22:29
I honestly don't care about dual pistols. It'd be cute, like the end of TR2013, but with the new real-er direction I think two handed would be just too impractical.

Poppycocks. Dual guns are no more "impractical" than lugging a huge bow, hand gun, machine guns, pickaxe, rope, granades etc etc with you.


She's a young lady, not a military grade assassin who's put a thousand hours on the range to actually make it useful.

Only a military grade assassin would have made it out the island alive in the first place :p


Trust me, I want the dual pistols back just as much as any core fanboy does, but with CD being so gung ho about the bow and their ~iconic~ pick axe, I just don't see them bringing them back. Not to mention it seems like we can't get Lara into anything short these days either. :p

Ahem...

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--vuJqRtUy--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/u6aem9thnu5sugwcp9kb.jpg

Tihocan
5th Feb 2015, 23:52
/me puts on annoying-critic hat


Lara Croft survived her first adventure only to be discredited as part of a cover up. She glimpsed a secret world, making a return to ‘normal’ life impossible. No longer able to fit into modern society, she desperately chases answers, trying to prove that what happened to her was real.

Really? She wants to prove to everyone she's not nuts? Is that the plot?
I'm taking it from this post that the comic and book are so far removed from "canon" as to be irrelevant. :)
The "no longer able to fit into modern society" bit is cringe-worthy.


Poppycocks.
Lol.

Dual guns are no more "impractical" than lugging a huge bow, hand gun, machine guns, pickaxe, rope, granades etc etc with you.
Yeah, perhaps. But it's more of a... passive detraction from reality. It's the difference between Lara being able to upgrade a bow at a campfire and suddenly having heatseeker homing-arrows.


Only a military grade assassin would have made it out the island alive in the first place :p
Nah, just a Croft.

RybatGrimes
6th Feb 2015, 07:09
Ahem...

Yeah, but LC is a spin off series, it's not relevant to TR.


Yeah, perhaps. But it's more of a... passive detraction from reality. It's the difference between Lara being able to upgrade a bow at a campfire and suddenly having heatseeker homing-arrows.


The reboot is hardly realistic in a lot of ways, like that piece of rebar she pulls out of her side and lives? Not to mentions just about everything else she does in the game, so idk why arguments like ~dual pistols aren't realistic~ are ever brought up. It's a video game after all, who cares! :p

Tihocan
6th Feb 2015, 09:38
The reboot is hardly realistic in a lot of ways,
That's why I said real-er :P

like that piece of rebar she pulls out of her side and lives?
Sure, why not? People survive non-critical injuries all the time. In fact, she would be more likely to have died from the fall itself.

Not to mentions just about everything else she does in the game, so idk why arguments like ~dual pistols aren't realistic~ are ever brought up.
She survives plenty of ridiculous situations. So have a lot of people, albeit through sheer luck alone.

It's a video game after all, who cares! :p
I do, otherwise I wouldn't be here. I'm not saying I'd boycott or carry on if it were in there. I just personally think it's no longer necessary.

Tecstar70
6th Feb 2015, 10:29
Trust me, I want the dual pistols back just as much as any core fanboy does, but with CD being so gung ho about the bow and their ~iconic~ pick axe, I just don't see them bringing them back. Not to mention it seems like we can't get Lara into anything short these days either. :p Don't get me wrong, I love the reboot, and I'm really liking what I see in RoTTR, but CD just seems very set in their ways of what they think is iconic for Lara and who she is.

Totally disagree.


http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/tecstar/forum%20pics/laradual1a_zpscd579ac4.jpg


http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/tecstar/forum%20pics/laradual2a_zps41d3da17.jpg

AdeleDazeem
6th Feb 2015, 10:54
Delicious pictures! Hopfully it's just too early to confirm their exsistence in Rise. :)

NSW_pride
6th Feb 2015, 12:02
I want the dual pistols in RotTR! They are a must.

Gitb97
6th Feb 2015, 12:55
^ I don't. I was kinda bummed out over the lack of dual pistols to begin with don't get me wrong, but I got used to not having them in the game, it doesn't even bother me now because it just doesn't fit in my opinion. It could fit if they were put back in, because we'd get used to them again. But I'm not fussed either way.

AdeleDazeem
6th Feb 2015, 13:20
^ I don't. I was kinda bummed out over the lack of dual pistols to begin with don't get me wrong, but I got used to not having them in the game, it doesn't even bother me now because it just doesn't fit in my opinion. It could fit if they were put back in, because we'd get used to them again. But I'm not fussed either way.

I feel kind of the same. On one hand I want them back, but on the other I feel like they don't fit anymore. Gameplaywise they seem a bit overpowered, but I could be wrong. The moment she holds them in TR9 was more than enough for me. They were unexpected and they came at just the right moment. It's like: ''I am that kind of Croft''. if they do something similar to that or make dualwielding an option, it could be pretty sweet. :)

Blacktron
6th Feb 2015, 13:23
It's like: ''I am that kind of Croft''. if they do something similar to that or make dualwielding an option, it could be pretty sweet. :)
That's great! I can picture that before me! She says that line and then starts gunning down the villainous scum in glorious dual wielding style!

Gitb97
6th Feb 2015, 13:38
In some of the photo's I've seen she still looks a wee bit too innocent for dual pistols anyway, I mean even in my steam icon she's pulling that face she pulled all through TR 2013. Maybe next game, I don't think as a character she's quite ready to legit have them

AdeleDazeem
6th Feb 2015, 13:54
...I don't think as a character she's quite ready to legit have them

Exactly. Perhaps near the end of the game?


That's great! I can picture that before me! She says that line and then starts gunning down the villainous scum in glorious dual wielding style!

And that, my friend, is probably why it won't happen.:p

Blacktron
6th Feb 2015, 14:01
Too awesome to be true? *sigh*

AdeleDazeem
6th Feb 2015, 14:30
Too awesome to be true? *sigh*

Yeah, I think it is. But one can hope for the return (a fitting return) of dual wielding. Even when it as short as TR9, but still done right (like TR9) I'm perfectly fine with it. :)

Blacktron
6th Feb 2015, 14:58
If it there isn't dual wielding I may consider buying it for PC instead of PS4, cause I'm counting on it that there will be some computer wizard who makes a dual wielding mod for PC :)

AdeleDazeem
6th Feb 2015, 15:05
Did someone make a dual mod for TR'13? Cause I can't find one.

Blacktron
6th Feb 2015, 15:07
No idea, maybe Metalrocks knows...

AdeleDazeem
6th Feb 2015, 15:18
I friend of mine said that you can use the Windows-game-thingy service to play Xbox One games on your PC. So... that's a thing. If Rise will be compatible.

Driber
6th Feb 2015, 15:49
/me puts on annoying-critic hat

Yay. I love arguing with annoying critics :D :D


Really? She wants to prove to everyone she's not nuts? Is that the plot?

So?


I'm taking it from this post that the comic and book are so far removed from "canon" as to be irrelevant. :)

The comics are actually very much advertised as canon.


The "no longer able to fit into modern society" bit is cringe-worthy.

Why?


Lol.

You liked that? :D Upcoming is another, heh.


Yeah, perhaps. But it's more of a... passive detraction from reality. It's the difference between Lara being able to upgrade a bow at a campfire and suddenly having heatseeker homing-arrows.

Fiddlesticks. Lara having a nearly unlimited space on her person to carry weapons and ammo that could support a whole bloody platoon is no more of a detraction from reality than using two guns to gun down her enemies. In fact, I'd argue that it is the opposite; wielding 2 guns at once which on average having slightly less accuracy is so much easier to apply a suspenstion of disbelieve to than having freaking huge weapons like the long bow and compound bow magically vanish into thin air whenever Lara grabs her machine gun..... out of said thin air :p


Nah, just a Croft.

You mean Lara Croft? That one-women killing machine who mows down entire populations? The female rambo who walks away from those genocides with nothing but a few scratches on her knuckles? That Croft?

:D


Yeah, but LC is a spin off series

So?

I believe your words were "we can't get Lara into anything short these days", which was clearly wrong.


The reboot is hardly realistic in a lot of ways, like that piece of rebar she pulls out of her side and lives? Not to mentions just about everything else she does in the game, so idk why arguments like ~dual pistols aren't realistic~ are ever brought up.

Well said :thumb:


That's why I said real-er :P

Oh so there's a scale now? At what percentage of "real-er" would dual guns supposedly be no longer acceptable? 50%? 70%?


Sure, why not? People survive non-critical injuries all the time.

In any realistic scenario, that injury would have most definitely been critical.


In fact, she would be more likely to have died from the fall itself.

Kinda proving our Volts' and my point right there :p


I do, otherwise I wouldn't be here. I'm not saying I'd boycott or carry on if it were in there. I just personally think it's no longer necessary.

No, don't pretend it's about "necessity"; your arguing realism. If we're going to argue about what is "necessary", there are loads of other things we can take out of the game as well. Was it really necessary that Lara had to use profanities in TR9? No.


In some of the photo's I've seen she still looks a wee bit too innocent for dual pistols anyway, I mean even in my steam icon she's pulling that face she pulled all through TR 2013. Maybe next game, I don't think as a character she's quite ready to legit have them

This right here is the only sensible reason I've heard so far why Lara doesn't have dual guns.... yet.

RybatGrimes
6th Feb 2015, 17:59
So?

I believe your words were "we can't get Lara into anything short these days", which was clearly wrong.

Well, in those posts I'm talking about the TR universe, not a spin off series so idk why you're trying to inject that into your argument to prove me wrong. :p In those posts I'm referring to the TR universe, and it seems to me like they're trying really hard to steer away from Lara having any kind of Classic Lara esque traits, like I mean they didn't even want to call her top blue in the reboot, they kept referring to it as "blue-grey", that was so annoying. :p

AdeleDazeem
6th Feb 2015, 18:09
They could release a skin. So it's to the player to decide what fits and what not. Except... The dirt, blood amd other goe on her trouwens would need seperate textures for her legs.

Edit.
Hmm, their update is later than yesterday. I'll stay up for a few more hours, but then I really wanna get some sleep :P

Rai
6th Feb 2015, 20:14
A new update, this time a piece on the Concept Art (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/02/06/ominous-beauty-exclusive-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-concept-art-gallery.aspx?utm_content=buffer1fece&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)

:D

Gitb97
6th Feb 2015, 20:16
I've been refreshing that little hub all day :o
The concept art is just making me more excited, and I love how Jonah(?) is so heavily involved.

AdeleDazeem
6th Feb 2015, 20:16
Yay, I jinxed it!

I especially love the last one. It's as close as we can get to an actual screenshot right now. This is probably about the same view/perspective when you play the game. Love it, now I have a highres version of it. Happy camper here ^^

Gitb97
6th Feb 2015, 20:20
This (http://media1.gameinformer.com/filestorage/CommunityServer.Components.SiteFiles/imagefeed/featured/crystaldynamics/tomb-raider/rise/wmart-95r73q/smallrottr-concept1.jpg) is my favorite one. I love those clothes and is that a little apartment that we can explore around like Croft Manor was?

AdeleDazeem
6th Feb 2015, 20:24
The first time I saw that, I thought it was a photograph!

Gitb97
6th Feb 2015, 20:58
The artists' attention to detail lately in the Concept Art is outstanding

AdeleDazeem
6th Feb 2015, 21:05
Yeah, as games grow, the creative mind grows with them. :)

chriss_99
6th Feb 2015, 21:21
I think I died and now I'm in heaven.

I love all the released materials so far.
I have a hunch this will be one outstanding piece of video game art.

Gitb97
6th Feb 2015, 22:14
I'm really happy the hype is starting to become real now, these past few days of newly released images, interviews and art are really getting me excited. I totally agree with the both of you, this ones going to be the best.

Tihocan
6th Feb 2015, 22:16
So?
...
The comics are actually very much advertised as canon.
So, on one hand we have the keep-getting-dragged-into-this-secret-society in which Lara repeatedly says "how do you know about that!?" every time someone mentions the word Yamatai, and "everyone thinks I'm a dirty liar, I'll show them!" on the other.

Unless this proves to be a spoiler for the later comics, then that's a massive crack. As far as I can read, Lara wants to forget it.

Also... mmmmmmmeh.


Why?
So, what - we should send Lara back to the 1800s? Did she become Encino Man on Yamatai?


Fiddlesticks.
Lol++


Lara having a nearly unlimited space on her person to carry weapons and ammo that could support a whole bloody platoon is no more of a detraction from reality than using two guns to gun down her enemies. In fact, I'd argue that it is the opposite; wielding 2 guns at once which on average having slightly less accuracy is so much easier to apply a suspenstion of disbelieve to than having freaking huge weapons like the long bow and compound bow magically vanish into thin air whenever Lara grabs her machine gun..... out of said thin air :p

Didn't they say that was technical limitation?
Yes, I didn't say it wasn't completely "wrong" - but you have to think about it first to be put off by it. That's the difference. Lara having a Mary Poppins backpack is not as obvious as someone whipping out two guns and doing side flips while effectively killing enemies.
Slightly less accuracy. You're kidding, right?


You mean Lara Croft? That one-women killing machine who mows down entire populations? The female rambo who walks away from those genocides with nothing but a few scratches on her knuckles? That Croft?

Yeah, that one.
You reference gender a lot in that statement, should I read into that too?


Oh so there's a scale now? At what percentage of "real-er" would dual guns supposedly be no longer acceptable? 50%? 70%?

Of course there is. There's a difficult technical balance between enjoyment and realism. Regenerative health is unrealistic, but the alternative is immediate death or disablement. Having a item weight limit would be realistic, but the penalty is inventory nightmare.
Dual guns is unrealistic, and the alternative is Lara is not as superhero.


In any realistic scenario, that injury would have most definitely been critical.
Thanks for your professional opinion, Dr Driber.
A ten second googling tells me otherwise.

Kinda proving our Volts' and my point right there :p
Likely, but not definitely. Factors such as the state of the ground (very wet, from what I recall) are in play.


No, don't pretend it's about "necessity"; your arguing realism. If we're going to argue about what is "necessary", there are loads of other things we can take out of the game as well. Was it really necessary that Lara had to use profanities in TR9? No.
Wait, what? So if I swear, I'm as cool as Lara?
Can I swear? Can I potentially survive stomach trauma? Yes. Can the most skilled marksmen in the world shoot two pistols accurately under pressure? No.
Necessity.


This right here is the only sensible reason I've heard so far why Lara doesn't have dual guns.... yet.
Right. And your arguments based on assumption are sensible too, I take it?

AdeleDazeem
6th Feb 2015, 22:46
I'm really happy the hype is starting to become real now, these past few days of newly released images, interviews and art are really getting me excited. I totally agree with the both of you, this ones going to be the best.

Ever since the teaser I thought Rise had the potential to surpass it's predecessor. The new info only proves that I may have been right. I love there will be more stealth, the weather system will have a usefull purpose and your environment will become a threat. It all slunds like the perfect sequel to me! Give or take our *beloved* deal.

Gitb97
6th Feb 2015, 22:59
The teaser gave me goosebumps but I feel like a lot of people kind of forgot it happened and the hype just went blegh after a while, but it's definitely worth the wait with all this new stuff coming out with GI. The fact we have more animals other than wolves to go up against as well is fantastic. I saw a photo of Lara and a bear and the bears do look terrifying and challenging. It's great that CD really took all of our criticism to heart because so far everything they're giving is everything we asked for

TheArcaneHuntress
6th Feb 2015, 23:22
Really loving this, also these concepts ( especially that one of lara and jonah in the mountains, well all of them ) are so awesome. Ahhhhh I gotta go draw now

AdeleDazeem
6th Feb 2015, 23:35
The teaser gave me goosebumps but I feel like a lot of people kind of forgot it happened and the hype just went blegh after a while, but it's definitely worth the wait with all this new stuff coming out with GI. The fact we have more animals other than wolves to go up against as well is fantastic. I saw a photo of Lara and a bear and the bears do look terrifying and challenging. It's great that CD really took all of our criticism to heart because so far everything they're giving is everything we asked for

People forgot about it because of the exclusivity deal. Fair is fair, not a whole lot of people own an XBone.

It sounds as though everything's got an upgrade. The bear was pretty cool indeed! Reminds me of the bears in earlier Tomb Raiders. I remember my first bear encouter. I was playing with my best friend and we were screaming in front of the TV. That was the last time her dad bought an 18+ game!

Gitb97
7th Feb 2015, 00:12
I guess that's true, it's a shame because this game is looking great so far, not everyone can afford an xbone and people who already bought a ps4 are highly unlikely going to want to go out and buy an xbone just for one game, but patience is a virtue and knowing CD they'll probably add things to the pc and ps4 versions.
Any animal enemy is perfect, the lack of them in 2013 was a shame too, the deer would have been an awesome snack for bears to be lured by and come into the game. I'd like to see a major variety of animal unless it's a snake because I have a major fear of them and I dread the day they become a major factor for any game that I like :o

Driber
7th Feb 2015, 00:37
Well, in those posts I'm talking about the TR universe, not a spin off series so idk why you're trying to inject that into your argument to prove me wrong. :p

Because that statement was wrong :p


In those posts I'm referring to the TR universe, and it seems to me like they're trying really hard to steer away from Lara having any kind of Classic Lara esque traits

Dual guns reference already in the first game of the reboot. Doesn't look to me that they are really trying that hard.


like I mean they didn't even want to call her top blue in the reboot, they kept referring to it as "blue-grey", that was so annoying. :p

Sounding a bit conspiratorial there. Probably reading more into it than there really was.


So, on one hand we have the keep-getting-dragged-into-this-secret-society in which Lara repeatedly says "how do you know about that!?" every time someone mentions the word Yamatai, and "everyone thinks I'm a dirty liar, I'll show them!" on the other.

Unless this proves to be a spoiler for the later comics, then that's a massive crack. As far as I can read, Lara wants to forget it.

Also... mmmmmmmeh.

Haven't caught up with all the comics yet, so can't really comment on whether it is a plothole or not. You might be better off asking in the comics thread.


So, what - we should send Lara back to the 1800s? Did she become Encino Man on Yamatai?

I sometimes feel that I don't fit into modern society. And I know others who feel the same.


Didn't they say that was technical limitation?

Ahh you mean "lazy design". Right...


Yes, I didn't say it wasn't completely "wrong" - but you have to think about it first to be put off by it. That's the difference.

If CD had given Lara dual guns in TR9, we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place. We would all think nothing of it. But by some twisted kind of logic it's because the dual guns were absent that some people started seeing it as "unrealistic".


Lara having a Mary Poppins backpack is not as obvious as someone whipping out two guns and doing side flips while effectively killing enemies.

Now you're just strawmanning. I never said anything about dual wielding while doing side flips.


Slightly less accuracy. You're kidding, right?

No, I am not.


Yeah, that one.

Glad to hear you agree with me that Lara practically is a skilled assassin :p


You reference gender a lot in that statement, should I read into that too?

Come again? :scratch:


Of course there is. There's a difficult technical balance between enjoyment and realism. Regenerative health is unrealistic, but the alternative is immediate death or disablement.

Right, and some people would say that immediate death is their idea of realism and enjoyment.

Also, those aren't the only alternatives. There's also instant health fixes such as medipacks, which some people would prefer and enjoy over health regen, as regen is more immersion breaking to them than medipacks.


Having a item weight limit would be realistic, but the penalty is inventory nightmare.

I've played several RPG's in which there indeed was an inventory limit, and the player had to carefully strategize which items to take with you on a mission. It was far from being a "nightmare", but in fact brought an interesting angle to the gameplay.


Dual guns is unrealistic

No, it is not.


and the alternative is Lara is not as superhero.

The alternative is a fun game that would entertain everyone but the most anal realism fetishists.

Also, Lara is already a superhero, dual guns or not.


Thanks for your professional opinion, Dr Driber.
A ten second googling tells me otherwise.

Then I guess you just wasted 10 seconds of your life googling something like "Can you survive a rebar in your gut?", which wasn't the argument I made.


Likely, but not definitely. Factors such as the state of the ground (very wet, from what I recall) are in play.

Love how you added the adverb "very" likely when you tried to use the example in your favour, and now obviously try to downplay the significance when it doesn't :p


Wait, what? So if I swear, I'm as cool as Lara?

You could never be as cool as Lara.


Can I potentially survive stomach trauma? Yes.

Never argued you can't.


Can the most skilled marksmen in the world shoot two pistols accurately under pressure? No.

You just admitted that Lara is cool. She doesn't feel pressure the same way those sissy marksmen feel pressure :cool:


Necessity.

A non-argument as far as I'm concerned.

If we left out everything that anyone would deem "unnecessary" we'd end up with one damn boring game.


Right. And your arguments based on assumption are sensible too, I take it?

If I didn't think my arguments are sensible, I wouldn't be making them ;)

Tihocan
7th Feb 2015, 02:34
I sometimes feel that I don't fit into modern society. And I know others who feel the same
Fair enough.


Ahh you mean "lazy design". Right...
No. I do not. There is no way I would insinuate that the developers' design of Lara's movement, animation, inventory switch etc is lazy. Who or what do you think I am, Driber?
That was a very poor way to deflect my argument, frankly.


If CD had given Lara dual guns in TR9, we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place. We would all think nothing of it. But by some twisted kind of logic it's because the dual guns were absent that some people started seeing it as "unrealistic".
That's a massive and, quite frankly, invalid assumption. I had $10 in my wallet. It's not there now, so it's unrealistic that I should have $10 in my wallet again.
Could you fathom the thought that if it was in there, people would have come out with "oh, well that's just stupid"? You know, like how many thought the terrified girl to mass murderer transition was a bit laughable?
Dual pistols is unrealistic and impractical to deploy effectively. Fact.


Now you're just strawmanning. I never said anything about dual wielding while doing side flips.

And saying deploying dual guns is realistic, and people definitely die from stomach wounds, is not? Pot and kettle, Driber.
I'm not just strawmanning. Your argument seems to be "if it's fun, they shouldn't be afraid to put it in the game". Lara and Sam playing tennis would be awful fun, I think. They'd make quite the racket...


I've played several RPG's in which there indeed was an inventory limit, and the player had to carefully strategize which items to take with you on a mission. It was far from being a "nightmare", but in fact brought an interesting angle to the gameplay.

And for someone who's not playing an RPG, it's a nightmare.


Glad to hear you agree with me that Lara practically is a skilled assassin :p
*shrugs* She has something most people don't, whether it be hypersensitivity to her environment or reflexes or whatever, she's a demon in combat.


Come again? :scratch:
You seem to be picking at words, I figured you wouldn't mind me pointing out you indicated gender twice in the same short response. Should I think you believe women are not capable of ultra violence?


Right, and some people would say that immediate death is their idea of realism and enjoyment.

Also, those aren't the only alternatives. There's also instant health fixes such as medipacks, which some people would prefer and enjoy over health regen, as regen is more immersion breaking to them than medipacks.

Medipacks are regenerative health, you are just limited to how many you have. It's still semi-instant.
A real bullet wound would generally have you layed out for days while you recover.


No, I am not.

No, it is not.
Good arguments.
If you're going to tell me it's not unrealistic, you'll have to back it up.



The alternative is a fun game that would entertain everyone but the most anal realism fetishists.

Also, Lara is already a superhero, dual guns or not.

Creating an immersive experience balanced with enjoyment? If it's so easy, maybe you should be on the dev team.
And Lara is not a superhero. Intentionally so, as said by the developer.


Then I guess you just wasted 10 seconds of your life googling something like "Can you survive a rebar in your gut?", which wasn't the argument I made.
Which was what, then?


Love how you added the adverb "very" likely when you tried to use the example in your favour, and now obviously try to downplay the significance when it doesn't :p
No I didn't. The word was always there, you just chose not to see it in the favour of your own argument.


You could never be as cool as Lara.
Nice sidestep.


In any realistic scenario, that injury would have most definitely been critical.

Can I potentially survive stomach trauma? Yes.

Never argued you can't.
Sure you didn't.


You just admitted that Lara is cool. She doesn't feel pressure the same way those sissy marksmen feel pressure :cool:
Obviously not a serious discussion. I'll disregard that obvious fallacy.


If I didn't think my arguments are sensible, I wouldn't be making them ;)
I sure don't think they are. You're throwing around facts like you're experienced despite clear contradictory evidence. But then again, I feel you're arguing with me to get a response, rather than disprove.

Shaikh
7th Feb 2015, 05:26
That library picture is so damn lovely. I am saying it over and over again. I hope we get to explore the Croft Manor. :)

Tihocan
7th Feb 2015, 06:41
Loving the concept arts. I hope there is a nice long trek through the snow in-game :D

AdeleDazeem
7th Feb 2015, 09:28
I guess that's true, it's a shame because this game is looking great so far, not everyone can afford an xbone and people who already bought a ps4 are highly unlikely going to want to go out and buy an xbone just for one game, but patience is a virtue and knowing CD they'll probably add things to the pc and ps4 versions.
Any animal enemy is perfect, the lack of them in 2013 was a shame too, the deer would have been an awesome snack for bears to be lured by and come into the game. I'd like to see a major variety of animal unless it's a snake because I have a major fear of them and I dread the day they become a major factor for any game that I like :o

Unfortunately, that's how it's gonna go down. A ton of us will be excluded from Rise... at least for a while. Thank the Maker for the 360 version. I saw a few used Elites for sale around €150, so that'll be okay. For me at least.

Everytime there was a deer, crow or bunny I didn't want to shoot them. I kill human beings with a shotgun, but shooting an artificial animal with a bow... that's too much. But when there are cool rewards involved, I just might change my mind. I mean, has anyone ever played a game where the weather affects the appereance of certain animals? I haven't.

Just found this on Facebook. No text or watermark. :)

Charlie_T_Raider
7th Feb 2015, 12:28
Well, in those posts I'm talking about the TR universe, not a spin off series so idk why you're trying to inject that into your argument to prove me wrong. :p In those posts I'm referring to the TR universe, and it seems to me like they're trying really hard to steer away from Lara having any kind of Classic Lara esque traits, like I mean they didn't even want to call her top blue in the reboot, they kept referring to it as "blue-grey", that was so annoying. :p

I didn't like the way they steared away from the clssic Lara one bit in TR 2013 and I agree the blue-grey top was the worst. After that though they bought classic outfit back for LCTOO and changed her face back in DE. With ROTTR she looks back like LC and perhaps it is the point that we see the Lara we know slowly emerge. In gameplay terms globetrotting, puzzles and some form of medi-pack came back.

I want to see Lara in classic outfit and croft manor in a main series game with some sharp witty one-liner humour. Recently the pro-PC plain practical outfits push seems to be going back the other way which is good so I hope we do see more classic tendencies return. Things are starting to head the right direction and if there is some aspect you want to bring back then the wishlist thread or developer Q and A thread would be good places to say about it.

AlexWeiss
7th Feb 2015, 16:01
I guess that's true, it's a shame because this game is looking great so far, not everyone can afford an xbone and people who already bought a ps4 are highly unlikely going to want to go out and buy an xbone just for one game, but patience is a virtue and knowing CD they'll probably add things to the pc and ps4 versions.
Yeah, I'm really excited for it but I keep forgetting about the Xbox deal. It's gonna suck, especially when trying to avoid spoilers. I really don't have any need for an Xbone (or 360 for that matter), the only other game I'd want to get for it maybe would be Quantum Break, still not enough for me to shell out $350-$400 for one.

That library picture is so damn lovely. I am saying it over and over again. I hope we get to explore the Croft Manor. :)

I assume you're talking about the concept art where Lara is in the flat with Jonah, I love that one too. I imagine since it's in concept art we'll at least get a cutscene there, but I really hope we get to explore a side thing like Croft Manor again as well. There could be a little story about it if that's why they want to exclude it, like maybe she left something there that's important for her to get in order to research what she needs to, maybe like her father's journal or something. And I'm with Tihocan on the long snow trek too :D That one piece of concept art with her and (presumably) Jonah walking in the valley is probably my favourite. So beautiful.

AdeleDazeem
7th Feb 2015, 18:47
It's gonna suck, especially when trying to avoid spoilers.

I imagine since it's in concept art we'll at least get a cutscene there, but I really hope we get to explore a side thing like Croft Manor again as well. There could be a little story about it if that's why they want to exclude it, like maybe she left something there that's important for her to get in order to research what she needs to, maybe like her father's journal or something.

Spoilers will be the biggest problem. People will need to avoid these forums, cause there's always stuff going to slip through. New members asking a question with a spoilerific title and such.

Something important? What about the Book from Ten Thousand Immortals. The art actually reminds me from a scene in TTI where Lara explores an office filled to the brim with artefacts. I wonder how many TTI and comic refrences there will be in Rise. :D

IvanaKC
7th Feb 2015, 18:58
Spoilers will be the biggest problem. People will need to avoid these forums, cause there's always stuff going to slip through. New members asking a question with a spoilerific title and such.


Looks like Driber will have to make a permanent notification on top of the forums reminding all forum members not to spoil anything. :p

Seriously though, there will be threads dedicated to ROTTR only and we're free to avoid them. I'm going to, however, watch the walkthrough as soon as it comes out, I never cared about spoilers anyway. ;)

AdeleDazeem
7th Feb 2015, 21:48
I'm not a fan of walkthroughs. When I know I can't play a certain game or DLC (Beneath the Ashes for one) I watch the cutscenes. I get bored watching someone else play. Unless I'm sitting right next to the person playing.

I like to go in fresh. When a new games comes out that I want I'm actively watching the new info in the beginning. The concept art and details they release at this point are harmless. But the closer the releases comes, the less I look for information. I avoid it at all costs.:D

Gitb97
7th Feb 2015, 21:56
Yeah, I'm really excited for it but I keep forgetting about the Xbox deal. It's gonna suck, especially when trying to avoid spoilers. I really don't have any need for an Xbone (or 360 for that matter), the only other game I'd want to get for it maybe would be Quantum Break, still not enough for me to shell out $350-$400 for one.

I'm lucky enough to be getting an xbone for my birthday this year in December, I was relieved to the moon when my parents actually let me choose my present, but the more I've payed attention to this forum the more I've noticed the majority of users are PC or PS3/PS4 and aren't as lucky to be able to just have a console given to them, so I have a feeling that there won't be a whole load of people making separate threads unless they're new or playing on an xbox.


Spoilers will be the biggest problem. People will need to avoid these forums, cause there's always stuff going to slip through. New members asking a question with a spoilerific title and such.

Something important? What about the Book from Ten Thousand Immortals. The art actually reminds me from a scene in TTI where Lara explores an office filled to the brim with artefacts. I wonder how many TTI and comic refrences there will be in Rise. :D

People will probably need to avoid going into the ROTTR section of the internet altogether, it's so difficult to avoid spoilers with everything. Before my TR even arrived in the post on the release date people had already uploaded videos to youtube half way through the game and I found myself accidentally clicking on one. I obviously clicked off the tab when I realized what it was but it just goes to show it's that easy to fall into clicking on a spoiler. D:

AlexWeiss
7th Feb 2015, 21:58
Spoilers will be the biggest problem. People will need to avoid these forums, cause there's always stuff going to slip through. New members asking a question with a spoilerific title and such.

Something important? What about the Book from Ten Thousand Immortals. The art actually reminds me from a scene in TTI where Lara explores an office filled to the brim with artefacts. I wonder how many TTI and comic refrences there will be in Rise. :D
I hope not many, I still haven't finished it because of how much I hate about it :/ I do want to finish it soon though, I'm the kind of person who needs to know a majority of what's canon and familiarize myself with it.


I'm going to, however, watch the walkthrough as soon as it comes out, I never cared about spoilers anyway. ;)
When I was waiting for my copy of TR2013 to ship to my house (I pre-ordered it but lucky me it took forever to get to me) I watched some of a playthrough of it. I really want to do the same with ROTTR because I feel the same way about spoilers, I don't care about them, but I don't know, ROTTR just seems like I'll really want to experience it first on my own.

AdeleDazeem
7th Feb 2015, 21:59
...I've noticed the majority of users are PC or PS3/PS4 and aren't as lucky to be able to just have a console given to them, so I have a feeling that there won't be a whole load of people making separate threads unless they're new or playing on an xbox.

Right... good point.



I obviously clicked off the tab when I realized what it was but it just goes to show it's that easy to fall into clicking on a spoiler. D:

I had something similar. I got the soundtrack to Lightning Returns in my YouTube recommendations. ''OST Final Boss insert name final boss. A few days before the release I managed to find the biggest spoiler I could get. From then on my YT bookmark puts me in my music playlist and not the front page. :P

Tihocan
9th Feb 2015, 11:42
I hope not many, I still haven't finished it because of how much I hate about it :/ I do want to finish it soon though, I'm the kind of person who needs to know a majority of what's canon and familiarize myself with it.


You too, eh? I was not happy (http://www.amazon.com/review/RZPCG8Q0JWWPI/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm) with it at all.


I wonder how the game is going to perform, as I expect that a lot of people bought TR2013 for the engaging brutality. I sense that it will be a lot less constant in ROTTR.

Driber
9th Feb 2015, 14:58
No. I do not. There is no way I would insinuate that the developers' design of Lara's movement, animation, inventory switch etc is lazy. Who or what do you think I am, Driber?
That was a very poor way to deflect my argument, frankly.

My apologies, I got you confused with Volts (http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=151737&p=2102603#post2102603).



You guys and your new usernames... :p


That's a massive and, quite frankly, invalid assumption.

I don't think so. Every time a new game is released there's always a slight "latest direction bias".


I had $10 in my wallet. It's not there now, so it's unrealistic that I should have $10 in my wallet again. Could you fathom the thought that if it was in there, people would have come out with "oh, well that's just stupid"?

That analogy makes no sense. I'm not proposing that Lara should lose her arm, play a whole game with just one arm, and then magically regrow her arm in the next.


You know, like how many thought the terrified girl to mass murderer transition was a bit laughable?

I've also seen a lot of people really appreciating the transformation Lara went through in TR9 and drawing inspiration from that achievement. You'll always have a few people nitpicking every game/movie/etc to death. Which brings me back to my earlier point - if everyone demands that every single aspect of a game is always 100% realistic and believable, we'd end up with pretty boring games.


Dual pistols is unrealistic and impractical to deploy effectively. Fact.

Re-asserting your position over and over isn't going to make it a fact. It's just your opinion.


And saying deploying dual guns is realistic

Lol, you're arguing me calling your strawman a strawman with another strawman. I never said that "deploying dual guns is realistic".


and people definitely die from stomach wounds, is not?

And yet another strawman. I never said that.


Pot and kettle, Driber.

Nope.


I'm not just strawmanning.

When I said "just" I didn't mean that you are only strawmanning. I said "just" as in "right now you are strawmanning".


Your argument seems to be "if it's fun, they shouldn't be afraid to put it in the game".

If by "it" you mean "anything", then no, that is not my argument.

If by "it" you mean dual guns, then it is part of my argument, but not my whole argument. I'm not saying that dual guns should be implemented no matter what the circumstances are and no matter how it's implemented. In short, no, I'm not proposing a carte blanche for dual guns.

My only argument in our debate thus far has been "I reject the notion that dual guns should be banned from a TR game just because it may have some slight issues with practicality in real world conditions". If you want to debate on how to implement dual guns, I'll be happy to clarify (I can simply point to earlier discussions we've had on dual guns here on the forums post-reboot) but you've given us the impression you're quite closed-minded about it and strictly reject the idea of any dual guns in any TR game moving forward, period.


Lara and Sam playing tennis would be awful fun, I think. They'd make quite the racket...

I reject your outlandish example, but I give you points for a well-placed pun :D


And for someone who's not playing an RPG, it's a nightmare.

Nah, I think that's an gross exaggeration. Some folks will complain until their face is blue, sure, just like those who threw a temper tantrum for TR9 having MP. But if done right, it could be an interesting idea to entertain.


*shrugs* She has something most people don't, whether it be hypersensitivity to her environment or reflexes or whatever, she's a demon in combat.

It's polygons.


You seem to be picking at words, I figured you wouldn't mind me pointing out you indicated gender twice in the same short response. Should I think you believe women are not capable of ultra violence?

Ah I see what you mean. No, that wasn't my line of thought at all.

"You mean Lara Croft? That one-women killing machine who mows down entire populations? The female rambo who walks away from those genocides with nothing but a few scratches on her knuckles? That Croft?"

^ I wrote "one-woman killing machine" to emphasis that one person was doing all the killing, as opposed to many; Lara was doing the work of an entire army all on her own. Gender is irrelevant. Same with the "female rambo" bit; both a male and female rambo (the one-man killing machine ;)) are "unrealistic", just as unrealistic as Lara using dual guns, if not more. Again, gender is irrelevant, the point was to compare realism.


Medipacks are regenerative health, you are just limited to how many you have. It's still semi-instant.

Okay I guess we got into a terminology confusion there, heh. When I say "health regen" I'm referring to the automatically regeneration of your health bar when you're either just standing still and doing nothing, or getting out of harm's way by leaving the battle zone or taking cover. I contrasted this to instant-health fixes such as medipacks which are limited, which I'd argue gives the player more of a challenge and enjoyment.

My point was that some people may say that instant health fixes such as medipacks are "unrealistic" and should not be in a TR game because of that reason, other may say that health regen makes a game "unrealistic" and that therefore health regen should not be in a TR game.

What I was getting at with this, is that I reject you using the health bar issue to justify leaving out dual guns, because even within the health bar issue we can move the goalpost just as easily to argue in favor or against health regen / medipacks.


A real bullet wound would generally have you layed out for days while you recover.

Which, according to your logic, is also a form of health regeneration :D


Good arguments.
If you're going to tell me it's not unrealistic, you'll have to back it up.

Uhm, no, I don't have to. You are the one making the claim that it's unrealistic, so you have the burden of proof. I simply reject your "matters-of-fact" by saying "no it's not" until you manage to convince me otherwise.

So far the only thing really you've said to back up your claim was "marksmen IRL would have trouble shooting accurately with dual guns", which is 1) anecdotal and 2) a pretty weak argument to justify your blanket statement of "any form of dual guns is too unrealistic to have in a TR game" because there are plenty of things that Lara wouldn't be able to do if she was real, which you are apparently willing to look past.


Creating an immersive experience balanced with enjoyment? If it's so easy, maybe you should be on the dev team.

I never said that creating a triple-A game such as TR9 is easy. No idea where you got that idea from, I didn't even as much as hint at such a thing. On the contrary, I think it is extremely difficult to create a TR game that is universally viewed as "immersive", "balanced" and "enjoyable". In fact, I'm sure it's impossible, given the number of people who are always ready to heavily scrutinize the game and nitpick every flaw to death.


And Lara is not a superhero. Intentionally so, as said by the developer.

Well of course the devs are going to try to convince you that Lara isn't a "super hero"; they are trying to sell reboot Lara as the "girl next door" type in the name of "relatability". But anyone who pays attention to what Lara is able to do would easily classify her as a super hero.

Let me remind you that you yourself said that there were people who thought it was "laughable" that Lara went from a crying weak girl to a one-woman army in the course of just one game (paraphrasing, but you get the point). That to me sure sounds like something only a super hero could do :p


Which was what, then?

"Lara using two guns to shoot (some of) her enemies is no more unrealistic than being set on fire, dropping from great heights, being impaled by a rebar, wading her wound through infection-ridden sludge, fighting off an entire army of Solarii, battling supernatural demons, not getting sucked into Himiko's stream, jumping superhuman distances, changing trajectory in mid-air, etc etc, and in the end making it out of Yamatai alive and relatively unscathed."


Nice sidestep.

It wasn't a sidestep, since I was responding to a non-serious comment in a similar non-serious manner.


Sure you didn't.

Right, I see where the confusion was.

"In any realistic scenario, that injury would have most definitely been critical."

^ By "in any realistic scenario" I meant "in the real world", while still factoring in everything Lara went through on the island. If she got impaled like that and was instantly transported to a state-of-the-art hospital, then yeah, maybe she might have survived. Questionable, but not impossible.


Obviously not a serious discussion. I'll disregard that obvious fallacy.

Well if it's obvious that I wasn't being serious, like you said, then by definition it isn't a fallacy, is it? :p


I sure don't think they are.

Oh I wasn't counting on you thinking my arguments are sensible, but you asked me if I think my arguments are sensible, so I was just pointing out that that is kind of a silly question to ask. If I thought my arguments are non-sensical, I wouldn't be making them.


You're throwing around facts

The only person throwing around "facts" in this discussions seems to be you, when you tried to assert your opinion on the realism of dual guns by literally saying "FACT." :p


like you're experienced despite clear contradictory evidence.

Which clear contradictory evidence? Your one anectdote about marksmen?


But then again, I feel you're arguing with me to get a response, rather than disprove.

Is it working?

http://driber.net/os/troll-face-small.png


I kid, I kid :D

Joking aside, I am, as always, seriously interested in debating realism in games. Please don't misunderstand my intentions just because I don't always stay 100% on topic and make a few jokes along the way. You've been poking me back just as much, and I think that's all good :)

Rai
9th Feb 2015, 20:12
Update time (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/02/09/raiders-of-the-lost-city-laras-search-for-immortality-.aspx). :D A little more on the myth Lara's searching for.

Gitb97
9th Feb 2015, 20:14
The anticipation was killing me

AdeleDazeem
9th Feb 2015, 20:43
Awesome! I feel stupid for not connecting the dots earlier. Himiko, immortality. Duh :rolleyes:

Blacktron
9th Feb 2015, 20:55
Thumbs up for Crystal Dynamics for wanting to base the game around myths and legends that haven't already been explored to death in videogames. It's a lot better to have something obscure and mysterious, that is what needs the most exploration and uncovering after all.
Would Lara want to become immortal herself? Or would she learn from this adventure that instead of searching for immortality one should enjoy the time that they have, like Gilgamesh did in the tale of Gilgamesh and Enkidu?

AlexWeiss
9th Feb 2015, 20:57
Odd, (at least for me) on gameinformer.com/rottr, it still just says, "Next Update: Feb 9th!" :scratch:

Really looking forward to the story, I'm glad they didn't do a popular myth again, it's nice to see something fresh.

Gitb97
9th Feb 2015, 20:57
Awesome! I feel stupid for not connecting the dots earlier. Himiko, immortality. Duh :rolleyes:

I saw an article somewhere that kind of said "It's cause of Himiko" - Well not exactly like that, but I probably wouldn't have caught on by myself either :lol:
I love that they're focusing on Russian Folklore. I've been looking into Folklore for some time since I have to design some clothes for my college course with the Folklore theme so I'm very excited about this. :D