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Jurre
6th Oct 2014, 21:25
I'm having ideas popping into my head again, so I'll just share them here, because why the hell not...?

So according to the short description that came with the TR10 psychiatrist trailer:


In her first adventure, Lara Croft was forged into a true survivor, but she glimpsed a deeper, secret world. Obsessed by what she has seen, Lara is now threatened by a shadow organization intent on killing her for what she knows.

I'm guessing that shadow organization that they're talking about is the group that was hinted towards in TR9 and is called Trinity. They're after supernatural stuff what they call 'star phenomena' and want to keep them hidden from the rest of the world. A secret society that wants to kill people: Dan Brown is gonna love this game... :)

So Trinity is gonna be a big antagonist in TR10. I think an organization like that needs a symbol: perhaps this one: simple and recognizable.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDxoCYDHwQIjNjMd8KMEHiCumQsiHYxONu2rNZttoFh1ukAk35FA

It can be displayed on the walls of Trinity hideouts, facilities, vehicles, Trinity agents and hired guns may wear it as buttons to recognize eachother.

It also needs a leader - an enigmatic, colourful and charismatic figure, one who derrives his power from his brainwork rather than his brawl. (And he may or may not be voiced by Martin Sheen :))

It also needs two other leaders: two second in commands like the 'son' and the 'holy ghost' - it is Trinity after all. Maybe the 'son' can actually be a daughter and her name could be Amanda Evert: not exactly the same one from Legend, but another incarnation just like Camilla's Lara is a different incarnation from Keeley's. I think it would be fitting: Amanda in Legend had some connection with the supernatural...

And the 'holy ghost' would be 'muscle', the enforcer who leads Trinity's agents and hired guns. Kinda like the big guy that shows up in every Indiana Jones film and dies horribly...



... Or maybe something completely different, I don't know...

a_big_house
6th Oct 2014, 21:56
Well, in the comics Trinity aren't actually after Lara, but they would benefit from her being gone, so I'm not sure what that says about their involvement in Rise, but from the look of the CGI trailer, it is Lara who is doing the killing :D
Also, I think I'd prefer more mystery surrounding the group rather than knowing who is in charge, don't ask me why, I don't know
I definitely agree that they need a logo though, perhaps now that Meagan is back, she may reward with such treats :D

Jurre
6th Oct 2014, 22:02
Well I hope TR10 will be so kind to allow people who don't read the comics to be able to understand what is going on with the story... I'm pretty sure it will...


I definitely agree that they need a logo though, perhaps now that Meagan is back, she may reward with such treats :D

Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean...

a_big_house
6th Oct 2014, 22:14
Well I hope TR10 will be so kind to allow people who don't read the comics to be able to understand what is going on with the story... I'm pretty sure it will...
...
Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean...

Oh yeah, I'm sure it will too, I'm just saying :)

And well, you and I think Trinity having a logo in the game would be good, yeah? So I'm suggesting that it would be awesome if Meagan was to release said logo (/other goodies)

Jurre
6th Oct 2014, 22:15
Well yeah,... if they could arrange for that... Sure!

Rai
6th Oct 2014, 23:05
Welll, as the hat guy from the comics is a Trinity member, and the comics lead into Rise, then it seems that they will be after Lara after all, if only to shut her up. It could be that's why they're after Kaz. Perhaps Kaz will be in the game too, I don't see this story necessarily wrapping up in the comics. It would make sense for Rise to somehow incorporate the comic story into the game, so people aren't lost if they haven't read the comics.

As for Trinity, it would be good if there are three main bosses. I like your idea of a son and a holy ghost type (or a spiritual type), but I'd rather it be the son (or second in command) who is the muscle and a woman who is the 'holy ghost', spiritually minded boss that requires more than just shooting to defeat. But not Amanda, not even a little hint of her.

It's intriguing that they know something that Lara uncovers and they clearly don't want it uncovered. I hope it doesn't turn out to be that what's supernatural is actually man made 'ancient technology' that happens to look like magic but isn't.

Murphdawg1
7th Oct 2014, 02:11
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/MatrixTrinity.jpg

Trinity? :lol:

Metalrocks
7th Oct 2014, 02:31
a possibility would be that trinity would actually use lara to see if these powers can be controlled or are actually true. secretly dropping of hints for lara to find and get her curious to go to these locations/places. eventually lara slowly gets skeptical and tries to find out why. finding some hidden clues about trinity that they existed since, i dont know, the roman empire, and what they do.
all this would be revealed in later titles of the game.

just a wild hunch.

Chocolate_shake
7th Oct 2014, 06:55
I wonder what this symbol means ...... perhaps related to trinity ?

jaucmy_REMI_logo.jpg

Jurre
7th Oct 2014, 09:36
As for Trinity, it would be good if there are three main bosses. I like your idea of a son and a holy ghost type (or a spiritual type), but I'd rather it be the son (or second in command) who is the muscle and a woman who is the 'holy ghost', spiritually minded boss that requires more than just shooting to defeat.
Hm,... well I thought of Amanda as the actual daughter of the Trinity boss so hence she would be the 'son', but I guess it would make better sense if the muscle was the son and the female leader the holy ghost. :thumb:


a possibility would be that trinity would actually use lara to see if these powers can be controlled or are actually true. secretly dropping of hints for lara to find and get her curious to go to these locations/places. eventually lara slowly gets skeptical and tries to find out why.
From the description of TR10 though, it seems that Trinity is hostile right from the start...


I wonder what this symbol means ...... perhaps related to trinity ?

jaucmy_REMI_logo.jpg

Where did you get it from?

It may have some christian symbolism, but the Trinity symbol usually has three lobes: representing the father, son, and holy ghost: each of them are seperate, but each one of them are also god: represented by the triangle area in the middle:

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDxoCYDHwQIjNjMd8KMEHiCumQsiHYxONu2rNZttoFh1ukAk35FA

Not that I expect that to have anything to do with TR's Trinity... By the way I think this symbol would look more threatening if it was turned upside down :)

Rai
7th Oct 2014, 11:38
The symbol Chocolate posted comes from tombraider.com (http://www.tombraider.com/images/#thumbnail-4). It's titled the RotTR crosshair.

Also, here's a small twist for the son/holy ghost theory. Have the female be the muscle and the second man be the spiritual one. :D

Also, does anyone know what this symbol is: jenqjh_rise-trailer-symbol.jpg

Is it from a particular culture/religion?

Jurre
7th Oct 2014, 12:09
The symbol Chocolate posted comes from tombraider.com (http://www.tombraider.com/images/#thumbnail-4). It's titled the RotTR crosshair.


That's odd... Would that be the game's gun crosshairs? It looks so elaborate...

It's usually simple like this:
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmV9-XQwo-aBXCqEK2Pz3Z-BsNMXb7zHfwYo4FUOMpRbyZByg1
I really don't know what to make of that thing...


Also, here's a small twist for the son/holy ghost theory. Have the female be the muscle and the second man be the spiritual one.
Also a possibility, then the holy ghost man I think would be a somewhat shamanic kind of figure: not unlike Mathias perhaps...

Rai
7th Oct 2014, 12:20
I was editing my post when you replied. So I'll repost the symbol (It's from the trailer).:

jenqjh_rise-trailer-symbol.jpg

Is this from a particular culture?

Jurre
7th Oct 2014, 12:25
Remarkable! I don't recognize that from any existing culture that I'm aware of... But it may very well be something meaningful in the TR10 story. Perhaps that is the symbol of Trinity, if that organisation - like any Dan Brownesque secret society - has been around for centuries, so hence the appearance of that symbol on old stones.

Valenka
7th Oct 2014, 12:53
I was editing my post when you replied. So I'll repost the symbol (It's from the trailer).:

jenqjh_rise-trailer-symbol.jpg

Is this from a particular culture?

It's Celtic. :)

dark7angel
7th Oct 2014, 13:38
It's Celtic. :)

Yep, it looks like a slightly modified Celtic Cross. :)

Metalrocks
7th Oct 2014, 14:34
From the description of TR10 though, it seems that Trinity is hostile right from the start...



maybe later on they see potential in lara. that would be a little unexpected twist.

maybe this is the logo of trinity:
jrbtda_abstergo_1920x1080_by_zynthethicz-d35idw8.jpg

:whistle:

a_big_house
7th Oct 2014, 14:47
...maybe this is the logo of trinity:


Now that would be a twist :lol:

Metalrocks
7th Oct 2014, 16:19
Now that would be a twist :lol:

ubisoft is trinity. because CD used the logo from their game.

Rai
7th Oct 2014, 17:17
It's Celtic. :)


Yep, it looks like a slightly modified Celtic Cross. :)

Thank you. I was wondering if t was. So is the Triqueta above. I was wondering if this gave us a clue as to where Lara is in the trailer.

Jurre
7th Oct 2014, 17:26
No, it 'is' not Celtic. Having a vague resemblance to a Celtic cross doesn't make it one.

Valenka
7th Oct 2014, 17:56
No, it 'is' not Celtic. Having a vague resemblance to a Celtic cross doesn't make it one.

Actually it is of the Celtic culture. I've seen similar symbols before; my educated assumption is that considering that there is no real-world association with that symbol, they must have created it using influence from Celtic and Gaelic cultures.

More information here:

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showpost.php?p=2014462&postcount=61

Jurre
7th Oct 2014, 18:13
Let me put it this way: if they intended to create a Celtic cross they did a terrible job at it. The typical Irish cross looks like this:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRu8r1ToDFv9RvPvv-uHhr15_-D8Pp_GrfKN2pKc7nbcF1pJcwZ

Had it looked like that there would be no doubt about it's cultural origin.

This bears a resemblence to it but it's not the same.
http://pic.driber.net/up/2014/jenqjh_rise-trailer-symbol.jpg

I do not think that Crystal D did a terrible job at recreating a Celtic cross, they are very well capable at reproducing art and symbols from any other old culture that is recognizable to everyone.

Ergo: they did not intended to create a Celtic cross.

I also think that this symbol would not be featured in the trailer, as well as show up on the TR website without any explanation, if it didn't have some central role in the game, instead of just representing another culture that is being explored - unless perhaps it was the only culture being investigated, but from what I've heard TR10 will take place in various places around the world so that seems unlikely.

My educated guess is that this symbol stands for Trinity.

Valenka
7th Oct 2014, 18:18
There are different variations of the Celtic cross. The symbol for Trinity is not THE Celtic cross, but definitely a variation of one.

dark7angel
7th Oct 2014, 18:56
A Celtic cross is a symbol that combines a cross with a ring surrounding the intersection. This is a simplified Celtic Cross:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Celtic-style_crossed_circle.svg/62px-Celtic-style_crossed_circle.svg.png

So the image from the TR site is a modified Celtic cross which takes this simplified version and adds that square to the middle.

Jurre
8th Oct 2014, 11:03
I'm thinking that Trinity also needs a squadron of elite troopers, the ones that are the true believers, rather than hired guns as the guy in the trailer seems to be...

Rai, what would you think about the origins of Trinity? How they came to be? Who was their founder? For what reason?

Metalrocks
8th Oct 2014, 13:02
i think they have them. the hired goons are just some small fry no one cares for. the true believers would be already more substantial to the creed. they are just more in the background who do the more important stuff due better knowledge.

Jurre
8th Oct 2014, 13:27
What would they wear to distinct themselves from the grunts? :)

Metalrocks
10th Oct 2014, 07:48
maybe like this:
pfrlms_slenderman.png

or like this:
jddgko_how-to-have-a-good.jpg

:p

ok, kind of obvious they would be better dressed like maybe wear a suit or something that makes them look more educated. if not even wear a uniform that symbolizes trinity or just a small thing like a pin on their suit or armband or anything like that.

Valenka
10th Oct 2014, 13:09
maybe like this:
pfrlms_slenderman.png

LOL

Agent 47/Slenderman.

Jurre
11th Oct 2014, 12:20
jddgko_how-to-have-a-good.jpg[/MPIC]

:p

ok, kind of obvious they would be better dressed like maybe wear a suit or something that makes them look more educated. if not even wear a uniform that symbolizes trinity or just a small thing like a pin on their suit or armband or anything like that.

I do like that:thumb: but with the trinity symbol of course. I'm thinking theyshould also have something like medieval swords and golden belts tha they receive durin their initiation ceremony. Lara can lootthem from their corpses for xp rewards, and some big weapon or outfit forcollectin all thirty of them.

I love this game of makin stuff up :D

Metalrocks
11th Oct 2014, 13:20
lol. that would be weird in modern times that they still carry swords with them. if so, then to hang on the wall to show there support to the creed. but if its something they should carry around, i think a dagger would be more suitable.

what also would be awesome if women are among the creed too and lara kills one of them or steals their outfit to blend in. now that would be sweet. and you have to get out again without getting detected.

Jurre
12th Oct 2014, 02:03
Well it works for katanas - that's not to say that they wouldn't carry firearms too; it's simply for melee combat. And yes, there should definately female acolites -lets call them acolites- as well :)

Metalrocks
12th Oct 2014, 11:50
firearm sounds good too. unless they are so old fashioned, traditional (but mainly because they are brainwashed) that they insist on caring a sword around.

Gemma_Darkmoon_
13th Oct 2014, 23:34
So Trinity is gonna be a big antagonist in TR10. I think an organization like that needs a symbol: perhaps this one: simple and recognizable.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDxoCYDHwQIjNjMd8KMEHiCumQsiHYxONu2rNZttoFh1ukAk35FA

Love the idea of the three fold symmetry in the logo. It looks like the logo of the supernatural drama Charmed.

Maybe Trinity may be do with a 3 parts artefact that the group are hunting like the scion was.

Jurre
14th Oct 2014, 01:07
I don't know charmed but that is very well possible, its an old symbol with different meanings to different cultures...

dark7angel
14th Oct 2014, 13:55
The series Charmed used the Triquetra with a circle, like this one:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120806163426/charmedgeneration/images/5/56/Triquetra.jpg

AlexWeiss
14th Oct 2014, 23:22
I haven't read anything prior to writing this (I will in a second I just wanted to give my input), so I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet (it probably has been): Trinity is currently being explored in the comics, their name was finally officially given in the latest issue. I hadn't read the description in the TR10 trailer, in fact it wasn't in the YouTube description of the trailer on the TR trailer. I'd be interested in finding where you read it from.

Given what I said, I hope that it isn't explored in the game in a way, I just don't like the idea of "Lara looks for something but is chased by major corporation." It sounds too cliche to me. However, if the story has some kind of great historical significance behind the company to make it less cliche, then perhaps that would be better.

Jurre
16th Oct 2014, 01:04
Well, of course evey story sounds the same when being reduced to one sentence - the originality, quality, charm, emotion and whatnot all lie in the execution...

I believe i read it on a british game sales site.

chriss_99
19th Oct 2014, 08:33
I believe that Trinity's symbol was already revealed in TR 2013.
You can see it painted on the walls in different areas.

It looks similar to this one:

http://www.tombraiderhq.com/img/tr9-textures/si_25_tomb-400.jpg

dark7angel
25th Oct 2014, 18:34
^That is a Japanese emblem, a mon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon_(emblem)), something equivalent to an European coat of arms.

I don't think it was Trinity's symbol. I think it was meant to be Himiko's emblem or something, specially considering it was on her Stormguard.