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Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 12:43
Just announced at Gamescom!



*** Collection of updates and articles on the MS deal and related industry info below. Newer additions at the top ***

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July 4, 2016

Tomb Raider II (1997) was a PlayStation exclusive.

http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=189855

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August 14, 2015

Phil Spencer on why Xbox One catching up with PS4's sales isn't his priority (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/phil-spencer-why-xbox-one-catching-ps4s-sales-isnt-his-priority-1515291)


"Honestly, I think it's about growing Xbox. Sony's had great success with PlayStation, they've earned that success over multiple decades of building a great product. Kudos to them for their market position," he said in an interview with Eurogamer."All I can do is focus on Xbox, and I love that. I love our fans and the partners we have. We're growing Xbox year on year, we're bigger than we were this time in the 360 generation, so generation over generation we're in a better spot, year over year we're in a better spot. We're seeing more people online, more games being sold, more consoles being sold. So generally I feel good about the trajectory we're on."

"I honestly don't goal the team on how many units Sony sells," continued Spencer "I think about what we're going to do, and how many Xbox customers we have across 360, Xbox One and Windows – thinking about the combined community of people on Xbox and playing those games, and that number's never been bigger.

"There are ways to sell consoles by losing more money on hardware and building an unnatural business construct that I'd never want to do – at the end, when people make a commitment to Xbox and the consoles they buy, the games they buy, they want to know that Microsoft and Xbox is in it for the long run. To sacrifice the long term for any short term gain doesn't make any sense.
"I really focused on our first-party investment, and you see it showing up in 2015 and 2016. Next year's line-up is pretty incredible, and we haven't even talked about all the games that are coming next year."

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August 13, 2015

Phil Spencer on Xbox's big year : The importance of exclusives, PC, VR and more. (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-08-10-putting-the-gamer-at-the-centre-of-our-decisions-phil-spencer-on-xboxs-big-year)


It seems a lot calmer this year - with Tomb Raider last year it was a bit more heated. Given that we now know the exclusivity window, was it worth it - however much you paid to have Tomb Raider for that time?

Phil Spencer: Well, no doubt. The opportunity to work with Crystal and Square on bringing that game to our platform - I don't know if you're seen the longer demo - it's really going to be a fantastic game. I learnt some things last year about how we announced it, the words we chose and what they meant. There was some sentiment after, there was no doubt about that, and I tried to be as clear as I could after the presentation last year, and this year, in how we've talked about it. Definitely it was a good learning experience last year.

Overall, having that game on our platform - we don't have a game like that in our first-party portfolio. We have a long-term relationship with Crystal - more than just on this game, and that's not always exposed. Every time I'm down there in the Bay Area I go in and they give me the controller and let me play. It'll be good for Rise of the Tomb Raider, and I'm looking forward to continue to build the relationship with that studio and that franchise. It's good for us.

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August 8, 2015

Rise of the Tomb Raider Follow-Up Teased, Not an Xbox-Only IP (http://www.gamespot.com/articles/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-follow-up-teased-not-an-xb/1100-6429504/)


[SE's Phil Rogers] revealed the key detail when asked about the controversy and backlash surrounding Rise of the Tomb Raider's exclusivity deal with Xbox.

"We believe first and foremost this is the right thing to do with Tomb Raider right now," Rogers said about the deal with Microsoft. "What it's done for the sake of the studio and the next beat with the Tomb Raider trilogy... But the backlash is--we've watched carefully and we believe it's the right thing to do."

A Square Enix representative told GameSpot, "We're always thinking about the future of the franchise, but right now we're focused on the upcoming release of Rise of the Tomb Raider."

Also in our interview with Rogers, we asked if Square Enix would consider more exclusive deals with Microsoft--or other companies--in the future.

"We're very much a game-by-game, case-by-case company. I can't rule it out," Rogers said. "But as with any exclusivity, they're really tough decisions."

Rogers pointed out that there are many advantages to partnering with Xbox for Rise of the Tomb Raider, not the least of which was having the Microsoft marketing machine behind the game. But exclusivity deals also have disadvantages, including disappointing PlayStation and PC fans in the short-term.

He went on say, however, that Rise of the Tomb Raider's exclusivity deal with Microsoft should not be seen as a step toward the franchise becoming a full exclusive to Xbox.

"We don't see this over time becoming an Xbox IP," Rogers said about Tomb Raider. "This is a story and we'll look back over the Tomb Raider franchise and history, and it will be a chapter where it was a timed-exclusive with Xbox."

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August 8, 2015

Xbox One Interview: Phil Spencer on Microsoft's First-Party Focus (http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-interview-phil-spencer-on-microsofts-firs/1100-6429471/)

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August 2, 2015

Xbox One Focusing On First Party Over Third-Party Exclusive, Says Phil Spencer (http://www.inquisitr.com/2299975/xbox-one-focusing-on-first-party-over-third-party-exclusive-says-phil-spencer/#CIwCXDjz3CetcgZU.99)

"Xbox Head Phil Spencer made clear that the long-term strategy for the console is first-party exclusives like Halo 5: Guardians, Forza Motorsport 6, and Quantum Break..."

“My Strategy is more around our own first party franchises, and investing in franchises that we own, and probably fewer exclusive deals for third party content,” a tired looking Spencer told the Chinese gaming site, Gamecore(via Reddit), at the Chinajoy convention. “I want to have strong third party relations, but paying for many third party exclusives isn’t our long term strategy.”

"Microsoft’s overall developer studio structure looks better prepared to handle multiple first-party exclusive than at any time in the Xbox’s history"

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August 1, 2015

30 Big timed exclusive games that didn’t cause outrage (like Rise of the Tomb Raider) (http://mmgn.com/xboxone/articles--30-big-timed-exclusive-games)

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July 28, 2015

Sony Doesn’t Need to Buy Exclusivity, Says PlayStation Europe Boss (http://gamerant.com/sony-buy-exclusives-ps4-xbox-one-tomb-raider/) (article from August 2014)

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July 28, 2015

Square CEO on Rise of the Tomb Raider Xbox One exclusivity & Microsoft's passion (http://www.examiner.com/article/square-ceo-on-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-xbox-one-exclusivity-microsoft-s-passion)

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July 23, 2015

PlayStation and PC release confirmed.



http://40.media.tumblr.com/aea4f2ba79b635ba82227f6e2c708e19/tumblr_nry4wavSek1qkq7tbo1_r1_500.jpg (http://tombraider.tumblr.com/image/124843126455)

Square Enix Announces Rise of the Tomb Raider for Steam, Windows 10, and PlayStation 4


Square Enix today announced its latest title in the critically acclaimed and award-winning Tomb Raider series, Rise of the Tomb Raider, will be available for Steam and Windows 10 PC in early 2016. The game will be a console exclusive to Xbox One and Xbox 360 for one year after its initial launch, coming to PlayStation 4 Holiday 2016. Renowned developer Crystal Dynamics, a Square Enix studio, is leading development in the latest entry in the iconic series for additional platforms.


In the critically acclaimed Tomb Raider, Lara Croft survived a harrowing experience only to be discredited as part of a cover up. Now, after uncovering an ancient mystery, Lara must explore the most treacherous and remote regions of Siberia to find the secret of immortality before a ruthless organization known as Trinity. Lara must use her wits and survival skills, form new alliances, and ultimately embrace her destiny as the Tomb Raider.


Experience high-octane action moments, conquer beautifully hostile environments, engage in brutal guerilla combat, and explore awe-inspiring deadly tombs in the evolution of survival action. In Rise of the Tomb Raider, Lara becomes more than a survivor as she embarks on her first great Tomb Raiding expedition.

Rise of the Tomb Raider is premiering on Xbox One and Xbox 360 first on November 10, 2015.

http://tombraider.tumblr.com/post/124843126455/square-enix-announces-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-for

http://press.na.square-enix.com/releases/492/square-enix-annnounces-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-destined-for-windows-10

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May 22, 2015

Xbox Australia claims TR10 is full Xbox exclusive (http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=155959&p=2127077#post2127077)

CD re-confirms TR10 is timed exclusive (http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=155959&p=2127088#post2127088)

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BioWare Can't Reveal Dragon Age DLC's PS4 Release Date (http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03/27/bioware-cant-reveal-dragon-age-dlcs-ps4-release-date)

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TR10 would have existed without the MS exclusivity deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zRlqtNW8Js#t=425 (mirror (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/02/23/the-business-decisions-behind-rise-of-the-tomb-raider.aspx))

(Video @ 7:03)

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27th March 2015: [vrworld] Timed exclusives are the future of gaming.

http://www.vrworld.com/2015/03/26/timed-exclusives-are-the-future-of-gaming/1/

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[Games Radar] Rise of the Tomb Raider exclusivity: why fan outrage is unjustified

http://www.gamesradar.com/rise-tomb-raider-exclusivity-why-fan-outrage-unjustified/

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February 23, 2015: Darrell Gallagher Talks Xbox Exclusivity

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-dev-talks-xbox-exclusivity/1100-6425471/

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9th Dec 2014: Microsoft is publishing TR10 for Xbox.

https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/542057412988248064

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/12/09/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-is-being-published-by-microsoft

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PARODY article: http://www.p4rgaming.com/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-confirmed-to-be-exclusive-for-at-least-17-hours-on-xbox-one/

p4rgaming.com is a satire website. The statements by Phil / Darrell in this article are fake.

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Official FAQ from Crystal: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showpost.php?p=2033803

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Article on Escapist Magazine: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/columns/experienced-points/12124-Rise-of-the-Tomb-Raider-Exclusive-On-Xbox-One-Has-Major-Issues

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An interesting article on Polygon: Tomb Raider's Xbox exclusivity likely means more sales, higher profits (http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/13/5998637/tomb-raider-exclusivity)

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Xbox exclusive is timed: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-08-13-microsoft-confirms-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-xbox-exclusivity-deal-has-a-duration?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialoomph

Follow-up from Phil Spencer: https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/499903721854484480

Another follow-up from Phil Spencer:Xbox boss Phil Spencer makes case for Tomb Raider exclusivity deal (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-08-18-xbox-boss-phil-spencer-makes-case-for-tomb-raider-exclusivity-deal)

Confirmation by CD: http://tombraider.tumblr.com/post/94529480860/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-update

"Thank you for all of the feedback and questions. There has been a lot of coverage about Rise of the Tomb Raider, and a new round of articles followed Phil Spencer’s Eurogamer interview in which he confirmed that the exclusivity is timed. In case you haven’t read that article yet, you can do so here."

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A petition under way: https://www.change.org/petitions/square-enix-and-crystal-dynamics-rescind-the-arrangement-to-publish-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-exclusively-on-xbox-one-2

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Official statement from CD: http://tombraider.tumblr.com/post/94529480860/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-update

"Dear Tomb Raider Community,

As you may have seen, we’ve just announced that Rise of the Tomb Raider, coming Holiday 2015, is exclusively on Xbox. We consider all of you to be the lifeblood of Tomb Raider and the work we do at Crystal. I’d like to give you some insight into this decision, and why we feel this is the very best thing for the Tomb Raider sequel we’re creating at the studio.

Tomb Raider in 2013 was a success due in large part to your continued support. Our goal has always been to deliver something truly special with Rise of the Tomb Raider. Today’s announcement with Microsoft is one step to help us put Tomb Raider on top of action adventure gaming. Our friends at Microsoft have always seen huge potential in Tomb Raider and have believed in our vision since our first unveil with them on their stage at E3 2011. We know they will get behind this game more than any support we have had from them in the past - we believe this will be a step to really forging the Tomb Raider brand as one of the biggest in gaming, with the help, belief and backing of a major partner like Microsoft.

This doesn’t mean that we’re walking away from our fans who only play on PlayStation or on PC. Those are great systems, with great partners, and amazing communities. We have Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris coming to those platforms this December, and Tomb Raider: The Definitive Edition is available on PS4.

We know that there are probably many more questions and concerns. Please do send them to us, and we’ll answer to the best of our ability. Meanwhile we’re going all out to try and make something truly special - the most ambitious Tomb Raider game ever built.

Thanks,

Darrell Gallagher
Crystal Dynamics Head of Studios"


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otherthreads
*** Other threads on the Xbox exclusivity deal topic with 100+ replies ***

Will you be buying RotTR on Xbox One? (http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146572)
450 replies

Anyone else just not feeling it? (http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=151914)
296 replies

Will you walk away? (http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146652)
201 replies

Square Enix Announces ROTTR for PlayStation and PC (http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=158022)
162 replies

Polygon live - Rise of the Tomb raider E3 interview (http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=156871)
156 replies

"Fall" of the Tomb Raider? (http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146612)
150 replies

Xbox boss Phil Spencer makes case for exclusivity deal (http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146671)
103 replies

(http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146652)Total: 1518 replies

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Forum Notice: Xbox deal discussions (http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=157589)


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ReviewTechUSA says that the ROTTR exclusive is brilliant:

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Watch the Jimquisition video from Escapist:

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Interesting article on the Eurogamer website that talks to a game developer, Cherry Pop, who did a deal with MS to give away their new game for free through Games With Gold for two months rather than launch it direct to sale :
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-06-30-games-with-gold-boosts-pool-nation-fx-downloads-into-the-millions

It probably passed you by but Xbox One game Pool Nation FX has, in three months, been downloaded 2.5 million times

"The majority unpaid unfortunately," Cherry Pop spokesperson Gemma Jessop told me. "I would like to say that we make a fortune out of it but we won't be driving around in Ferraris any time soon...However, the awareness is second to none. It was a great opportunity for an indie. As for all indies these days, it's hard to even get your head above the crowds with a small team and a limited budget. But working with Microsoft all that worry is taken away - you know you will get noticed."

She said there was "a fee paid" by Microsoft to Cherry Pop, but that the real value was in the exposure.


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Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 12:43
[debating points quick reference links]


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Tecstar's stance on multiplatform release

http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146569&p=2123063#post2123063

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Not tearing opinions apart / pouncing on members / chasing members away / tag-teaming

http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146569&page=91#nopounce
http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146569&p=2122657#post2122657
http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146569&p=2122870#post2122870
http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146569&page=93#notearingapart
http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146569&p=2122976#post2122976
http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146569&p=2123084#post2123084

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"divided" groups or "sides"

http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146569&p=2129100#post2129100

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Driber's stance on a nuanced debate / playing devil's advocate

http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=146569&p=2129313#post2129313

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 12:43
Darrel Gallagher just announced on Gamescom 2014 that Rise of the Tomb Raider will be an Xbox exclusive, coming holiday 2015. Does that many other will get it later? I don't know, but this is what we know.

What do you guys think about this?

jaywalker2309
12th Aug 2014, 12:44
http://tombraider.tumblr.com/post/94529480860/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-update

Official post by Darrell..

JaxGames
12th Aug 2014, 12:44
Umm WTF Did CD just do...

Sealtest
12th Aug 2014, 12:46
Thanks for throwing away a great heritage on playstation.

JaxGames
12th Aug 2014, 12:47
Words can't explain what im feeling right now... guess ill have to get a One...

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 12:48
Screw that, both PC and PS owners are getting screwed :| What the hell, they aren't even saying it's coming later :| "Don't fret, there's Lara Croft Temple of Osiris coming out for PC and PS4" let me tell you something, CD, I don't give a DAMN about that game!!! :|

Wow, man, what the hell, I hope they undersell, I really do :|

VaBanes
12th Aug 2014, 12:49
Tomb Raider just died for me...

pidipidi39
12th Aug 2014, 12:50
As I said on the Humble Adobe, I'm just extremely disappointed.

Geez, I can't even put in words my feelings.

I'll... try not to be offensive.

Ok. Crystal, you have just done the worse move ever. Ok, not ever. But a really bad move. Like, wow.

I think I'll refrain from comments, I'm just too angry to be rational now.

EDIT: Actually, I just wanted to... nevermind.

JaxGames
12th Aug 2014, 12:50
Screw that, both PC and PS owners are getting screwed :| What the hell, they aren't even saying it's coming later :| "Don't fret, there's Lara Croft Temple of Osiris coming out for PC and PS4" let me tell you something, CD, I don't give a DAMN about that game!!! :|

Wow, man, what the hell, I hope they undersell, I really do :|

Preach it

dark7angel
12th Aug 2014, 12:51
I just can't believe this is true... seriously...

I guess this will be where I stop playing TR then... :(

Galactus123
12th Aug 2014, 12:52
What the hell?! I was under impression that it will be multiplatform title.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 12:53
We seriously need to gather as a community and at least not buy an XBox One, if not RotTR :|

JaxGames
12th Aug 2014, 12:53
What the hell?! I was under impression that it will be multiplatform title.

Yeah we all were...:mad2: Microsoft wanting a competition for Uncharted and easy money for CD...

Sealtest
12th Aug 2014, 12:54
I just can't believe this is true... seriously...

I guess this will be where I stop playing TR then... :(

You and alot of people. I can't even buy a PC version.

Square you've done goofed on this one.

dark7angel
12th Aug 2014, 12:55
Screw that, both PC and PS owners are getting screwed :| What the hell, they aren't even saying it's coming later :| "Don't fret, there's Lara Croft Temple of Osiris coming out for PC and PS4" let me tell you something, CD, I don't give a DAMN about that game!!! :|

Wow, man, what the hell, I hope they undersell, I really do :|

Yeah, the wording they're using doesn't really give any hope this will be a timed exclusive... :(

Treeble
12th Aug 2014, 12:55
What the hell.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 12:55
I just can't believe it, is CD really that stupid? Are they really sell-outs? I mean, Tomb Raider did wonderfully, they seriously didn't need the "support"... Okay, maybe they did, I don't know, but this is just cheap and sad... They could at least say it's coming out 6 months later :(

SamanthaScofield
12th Aug 2014, 12:55
Screw that, both PC and PS owners are getting screwed :|

let me tell you something, CD, I don't give a DAMN about that game!!! :|

Wow, man, what the hell, I hope they undersell, I really do :|


Tomb Raider just died for me...

You just lost another fan. Thank you.

Jurre
12th Aug 2014, 12:56
This has got to be a joke, right? Or some unfortunate misunderstanding?

This has got to be a joke, RIGHT?

RIGHT?

a_big_house
12th Aug 2014, 12:56
Not to jump on the hate train, but I'm out too, there's no way I'm buying an Xbox One, not even for Tomb Raider... :(

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 12:56
This has got to be a joke, right? Or some unfortunate misunderstanding?

This has got to be a joke, RIGHT?

RIGHT?

I really wish it is, man, I really do :(

JaxGames
12th Aug 2014, 12:57
This has got to be a joke, right? Or some unfortunate misunderstanding?

This has got to be a joke, RIGHT?

RIGHT?

I hope so but i mean it's not April fools Right?

Galactus123
12th Aug 2014, 12:57
There is no way I'm buying Xbox One just for this.

Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 13:00
CALM DOWN EVERYONE! Exclusive in 2015. They have done another deal with MS. PS4 and PC will get it for sure.

Sealtest
12th Aug 2014, 13:01
R.I.P Tomb Raider

We barely knew you.

pidipidi39
12th Aug 2014, 13:01
I'm not getting an Xbox One just for Tomb Raider neither.

I feel strange. I usually never get mad, but right now I'm just furious.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:03
CALM DOWN EVERYONE! Exclusive in 2015. They have done another deal with MS. PS4 and PC will get it for sure.

^ Yeah, I thought so too, until they said nothing about it coming out later and said "you can play Temple of Osiris" :|

Galactus123
12th Aug 2014, 13:03
CALM DOWN EVERYONE! Exclusive in 2015. They have done another deal with MS. PS4 and PC will get it for sure.

It is still a bull**** move from them to do. It would also sell a LOT more on both consoles.

dark7angel
12th Aug 2014, 13:04
CALM DOWN EVERYONE! Exclusive in 2015. They have done another deal with MS. PS4 and PC will get it for sure.

For sure? I don't know man... when it was that whole MS exclusive DLC thing for TR and with GoL it was announced as TIMED exclusive. Here it's being announced as EXCLUSIVE and the only thing they're throwing at PS and PC gamers is Temple of Osiris and TRDE...

Idk, maybe you are right but right now all we have is CD statement and to be honest it doesn't give me any hope this is just a timed exclusive...
:(

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:04
Well, buckle up for a new reboot in a couple of years, right? :p It's not even funny :(

Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 13:05
^ Yeah, I thought so too, until they said nothing about it coming out later and said "you can play Temple of Osiris" :|

Of course they won't say that yet - that's what exclusivity is for. MS need to push their console, that's what its about. No point MS paying all that cash if CD say, don't worry you can buy a PS4 anyway....

Jurre
12th Aug 2014, 13:05
CALM DOWN EVERYONE! Exclusive in 2015. They have done another deal with MS. PS4 and PC will get it for sure.

Probably, yes... From what I'm reading on the internet people seem to think that it is a temporary exclusive... PS and PC people may have to wait another year or so...

Still, I can't shake off the feeling that someone is shoveling away the very earth I'm standing on...

Metalrocks
12th Aug 2014, 13:05
looks like microsoft is spending their last money on CD, just so that people buy their crappy xbone.

but when i read this:
This doesn’t mean that we’re walking away from our fans who only play on PlayStation or on PC. Those are great systems, with great partners, and amazing communities. We have Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris coming to those platforms this December, and Tomb Raider: The Definitive Edition is available on PS4.

so what now? are we getting it on the pc or not? because i give a rats about osiris. didnt like the last title.
i really hope this will not be the case. it just would be beyond stupidity to sell the last game on all the major platforms and now throw this out of the window and just sell it on a platform people actually dont like very much.

pidipidi39
12th Aug 2014, 13:05
PC and PS4 won't get it.

They say it is an exclusive.
They never used the word ''temporary''.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:06
If it's coming out eventually, I can get behind it, it's not ok, for sure, but it's damn better than not getting it at all... I hope CD comes out with another statement... Or maybe the sales will push them, I don't know, depends on the contract :(

pidipidi39
12th Aug 2014, 13:08
I really hope for them it's a temporary thing.

Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 13:10
PC and PS4 won't get it.

They say it is an exclusive.
They never used the world ''temporary''.

Of course they will.

pidipidi39
12th Aug 2014, 13:11
Of course they will.
Have you read their blog post?

Also, even if they did, I'm tired of PC and PS4 fans being treated like crap.

Treeble
12th Aug 2014, 13:11
It would be nice if it did, but it doesn't look like it.

Funny thing, just this week TR "died" for some hardcore Xbox fan somewhere here because there was no mention of a Gold Edition for X1.

doppeL
12th Aug 2014, 13:12
From this moment I make a tomb raider boicott all .... I'm crying now ... I have broken my heart ..
if someone is on my side to join the boycott until they tomb raider platform

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:12
I mean, I'm kinda the man who will go "there's no way it isn't coming for other platforms, they're not that stupid"

and then there's the part of that says(and that statement) that they are, indeed, that stupid..

I don't know, I just hope this isn't true, every single game in TR franchise has been on PC, so to cut off those communities is absurd.

MissBrandy
12th Aug 2014, 13:13
I just came here to say Good Bye to TR ! and hope CD gets the less numbers of sells in Tomb Raider's history since come out ... and please go to bankrupt soon as well for SEnix.

Never mind for TR anymore.
R.I.P

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:14
From this moment I make a tomb raider boicott all .... I'm crying now ... I have broken my heart ..
if someone is on my side to join the boycott until they tomb raider platform

I'm with you, I'm spreading word on tumlbr already :(

Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 13:14
Have you read their blog post?

Also, even if they did, I'm tired of PC and PS4 fans being treated like crap.


Of course they won't say that yet - that's what exclusivity is for. MS need to push their console, that's what its about. No point MS paying all that cash if CD say, don't worry you can buy a PS4 anyway....

See my previous comments. its marketing.

Jurre
12th Aug 2014, 13:14
Funny thing, just this week TR "died" for some hardcore Xbox fan somewhere here because there was no mention of a Gold Edition for X1.
And I had concerns about Square Enix not respecting the consumer for trying to make another 5 quid off of us. Boy, how little did I know...


From this moment I make a tomb raider boicott all .... I'm crying now ... I have broken my heart ..
if someone is on my side to join the boycott until they tomb raider platformWell you got my support...

Galactus123
12th Aug 2014, 13:15
They should have told it when the game was first revealed. Now I feel cheated.

razorxc
12th Aug 2014, 13:16
WHERE IS TEH ****** COMMUNITY
U CALL US FOR WHAT WE WANT
FOR FINALLY GIVE A ******* EXCLUSIVITY
EXPLAIN US CORRECTLY ******S

Treeble
12th Aug 2014, 13:16
It is an abrupt change of heart, yes, but even I am feeling the exact same way right now...

Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 13:16
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I didn't want to upset anyone and this post may have been pushing it a bit. I do still think that we will see it on PC & PS4 in early 2016 so it's not as big a deal as it looks IMHO.

namitokiwa
12th Aug 2014, 13:17
Done. Goodbye Rise of Tomb Raider. I felt very dissapointed with this news.
Crystal Dynamics and Square Enix. How MUCH MONEY did Microsoft pay you to have this decision? Do you know HOW YOU BREAK our hearts?!
I really don't need Lara Croft Temple of Osiris .... I just want a sequel. Now I am hating XBOX ONE MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE THAN EVER NOW!
I..... this is my WORST DAY EVER!

dark7angel
12th Aug 2014, 13:17
They should have told it when the game was first revealed. Now I feel cheated.

Around the time of the announcement, the game was on XBONE's list of exclusive games, but everyone assumed it was just some sort of misinformation, a mistake on the site... Guess it was true all along...

Metalrocks
12th Aug 2014, 13:18
i guess thats how we feel all now.
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pidipidi39
12th Aug 2014, 13:18
See my previous comments. its marketing.
I've seen your previous comments.
If it's marketing, it's flawed marketing.


They should have told it when the game was first revealed. Now I feel cheated.
Actually, if they were going for this way, they should have started from the first game of the rebooted series.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:18
They should have told it when the game was first revealed. Now I feel cheated.

Yeah, I thought of that too, it's weird... Maybe it's a sign, maybe it's a timed exclusive :eek: My little heart can't take this :(

Edit: Nope, just saw dark7angel's post, it was planned all along :(

Treeble
12th Aug 2014, 13:21
Actually, if they were going for this way, they should have started from the first game of the rebooted series.

Or made the "Definitive Edition" an Xbox exclusive. That would have tipped us off...

BR4DDERS1986
12th Aug 2014, 13:22
Screw you Eidos/SE, I have always played my TR games on PC, there is zero chance of me getting a XBone. I hope Microsoft paid you well because without PS and PC your sales will be ****e.

Sellouts/

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:22
Damn, 400 people are checking out this forum right now :eek: Have your voice heard, people, become a member!!!

Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 13:22
MS have paid for this. It happens all the time. Granted, MS must have paid a wedge for it! I would be totally gutted if it happened the other way round and PS4 got the exclusive. It just means you have to wait a bit longer and stop throwing your toys out of the pram.

People who are disowning the game on this news are a bit daft in my opinion. If its a fantastic game why would you not still play it?

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:23
I can understand the marketing if it's like this "You can't say RotTR is coming on other platforms, it will be coming out, but you can't say it right now because they won't buy Xbox1", but if that's not true, it's over :(

Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 13:24
Screw you Eidos/SE, I have always played my TR games on PC, there is zero chance of me getting a XBone. I hope Microsoft paid you well because without PS and PC your sales will be ****e.

Sellouts/

Which is why they WILL appear on those platforms...in 2016.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:25
People who are disowning the game on this news are a bit daft in my opinion. If its a fantastic game why would you not still play it?

Maybe I don't have the money to buy an Xbox 1? Maybe I already had a ready PC/PS4? I'm sure it's going to be a fantastic game, and that's what makes me sad, I need to buy XBox1 to play it and I can't and won't do that :(

Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 13:26
efl5pFTFnBU?t=22s

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:26
efl5pFTFnBU?t=22s

Son, just don't.

dark7angel
12th Aug 2014, 13:27
Maybe I don't have the money to buy an Xbox 1? Maybe I already had a ready PC/PS4? I'm sure it's going to be a fantastic game, and that's what makes me sad, I need to buy XBox1 to play it and I can't and won't do that :(

Exactly! It's not like gaming consoles are cheap like a bottle of water goddamit!

Wild
12th Aug 2014, 13:28
Yeah, no. Not going to get an xbox (vomits.jpg) to play the new game.




Worst news EVER.

pidipidi39
12th Aug 2014, 13:28
Or made the "Definitive Edition" an Xbox exclusive. That would have tipped us off...
Exactly!

What's the point of giving us all the ''fresh new start'' if only a few of us will be able to play the rest? I don't get it.

Galactus123
12th Aug 2014, 13:30
Which is why they WILL appear on those platforms...in 2016.

But it does't mean that we have to happy about it.

Edit: about waiting.

BR4DDERS1986
12th Aug 2014, 13:30
Which is why they WILL appear on those platforms...in 2016.

That might be true but I will wait for a sale if it does, If they want to take the piss with PC/PS players I will make sure they receive the least amount of money from me for it.

If it isn't a timed exclusive then Eidos/SE games will be going on my ever growing list of publishers I refuse to buy games from.

MercurousSnake
12th Aug 2014, 13:30
I can't believe I am making an account for this but I just can't believe how furious I am for CD selling out this hard... R.I.P Lara Croft... what the hell.

Metalrocks
12th Aug 2014, 13:31
i think i have to call in sick tomorrow for work. im too depressed. just cant comprehend it :(

dark7angel
12th Aug 2014, 13:31
@Tecstar70, I get that you are convinced this is timed, but you can't blame us for not having much hope. Besides, I'd rather not get my hopes up just to have them crushed again when it is confirmed this is not a timed exclusive...

So please, just let us vent our frustration...

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:32
That might be true but I will wait for a sale if it does, If they want to take the piss with PC/PS players I will make sure they receive the least amount of money from me for it.

If it isn't a timed exclusive then Eidos/SE games will be going on my ever growing list of publishers I refuse to buy games from.

That's not good either, I mean I get where you're coming from, but if everyone tried to give as less money as they can, the chances of a sequel are low... But I get where you're coming from, they shouldn't have announced this.

segamer
12th Aug 2014, 13:33
It's not a good idea to put fans in the garbage for a money hat as fans will remember for years to come and the Tomb Raider brand will suffer.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:35
@Tecstar70, I get that you are convinced this is timed, but you can't blame us for not having much hope. Besides, I'd rather not get my hopes up just to have them crushed again when it is confirmed this is not a timed exclusive...

So please, just let us vent our frustration...

Beautifully said :thumb: If it's coming out eventually, it's going to be a relief, but I'm not having my hopes up again for them to be crushed again...

angebd0625
12th Aug 2014, 13:35
I cannot believe they are doing this. I am not buying an Xbox One just for this. This completely disappoints me. Tomb Raider is now completely dead for me. I have no interest in any of the comic books and novels now. I hate this.

Jurre
12th Aug 2014, 13:36
That's not good either, I mean I get where you're coming from, but if everyone tried to give as less money as they can, the chances of a sequel are low... But I get where you're coming from, they shouldn't have announced this.
Then the franchise would likely be sold to another publisher and rebooted again... I'd say let's take the chance: I'm never gonna buy an Xbone and I'm seriously considering not buying Temple of Osiris. I do not do business with blackmailers...

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:37
Then the franchise would likely be sold to another publisher and rebooted again... I'd say let's take the chance: I'm never gonna buy an Xbone and I'm seriously considering not buying Temple of Osiris. I do not negotiate with blackmailers...

Yeah, there's that too... But this direction TR was going for had so much potential :(

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 13:39
We seriously need to gather as a community and at least not buy an XBox One, if not RotTR :|
always hated the xbox 360 and Xbox one, but know I want to destroy every Xbox that I see, lol. :D


From this moment I make a tomb raider boicott all .... I'm crying now ... I have broken my heart ..
if someone is on my side to join the boycott until they tomb raider platform
Ohh I'm sure joining. Spread it everywhere!! Fb IG Twitter! at the moment I just want to attack CD


Exactly! It's not like gaming consoles are cheap like a bottle of water goddamit!

They sure are expensive as hell!

JaxGames
12th Aug 2014, 13:42
http://www.gamepur.com/news/15795-crystal-dynamics-explains-why-rise-tomb-raider-cming-exclusively-xbox-one.html not timed

PermanentlyAngry
12th Aug 2014, 13:42
I haven't been on these forums in quite some time. However, I felt it necessary to pop on and let it be known I will not be buying another crystal dynamics produced game or Tomb raider again. I own all three current systems, Wii U, PS4 and Xbox One. However the move to take money to make TR Xbox exclusive stinks and is a smack in the face to the vast majority of fans. Really, really bad move commercially. I hope whatever Microsoft has paid you is enough to pay all your mortgages back their because the backlash to this is going to be HUGE.

Galactus123
12th Aug 2014, 13:43
Was it true that they weren't really satisfied how the reboot sold? This is not a very good way to make the sequel to sell more.

NikNak513
12th Aug 2014, 13:43
Screw whoever made this deal with Microsoft. As of today I'm officially done with the series. :wave:

Jurre
12th Aug 2014, 13:46
I haven't been on these forums in quite some time. However, I felt it necessary to pop on and let it be known I will not be buying another crystal dynamics produced game or Tomb raider again. I own all three current systems, Wii U, PS4 and Xbox One. However the move to take money to make TR Xbox exclusive stinks and is a smack in the face to the vast majority of fans. Really, really bad move commercially. I hope whatever Microsoft has paid you is enough to pay all your mortgages back their because the backlash to this is going to be HUGE.

Very brave of you, I very much appreciate the gesture. :thumb:

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:47
And damn Microsoft, if you want people to buy your console, show them incredible games you made... Don't hold back existing franchises... I mean, Sunset Overdrive is a game that got me thinking about buying an Xbox1 some day, that's the way to do it, not like this !

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 13:48
Congratulations CD! Humanity reached a new point of human stupidity!
And I thought setting yourself on fire was really stupid! :lol:

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:49
http://www.gamepur.com/news/15795-crystal-dynamics-explains-why-rise-tomb-raider-cming-exclusively-xbox-one.html not timed

@CD
http://media.tumblr.com/dbe385946a3b22088444d2134f7beef8/tumblr_inline_na73nvYhts1qc5mrj.gif

Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 13:51
@Tecstar70, I get that you are convinced this is timed, but you can't blame us for not having much hope. Besides, I'd rather not get my hopes up just to have them crushed again when it is confirmed this is not a timed exclusive...

So please, just let us vent our frustration...

Will do, just want people to see the nonsense that is being stated.

MercurousSnake
12th Aug 2014, 13:51
@CD
http://media.tumblr.com/dbe385946a3b22088444d2134f7beef8/tumblr_inline_na73nvYhts1qc5mrj.gif

^This...ffs

PermanentlyAngry
12th Aug 2014, 13:52
Very brave of you, I very much appreciate the gesture. :thumb:

I was always taught it's not brave to do what you know is right. I want fewer of these bull**** commercial tie-ups in our industry. All it does is screw over my fellow gamers. Just because I'm in the position to not have to care about such moves doesn't mean I don't care. I do. The PC and PlayStation communities that have supported TR right from the beginning, way before Xbox was even a twinkle in Microsoft's eye deserve far better from Crystal Dynamics and SquareEnix. Perhaps they'll go the same way as Core Design and it'll be a salutatory lesson for other developers who are tempted by quick easy cash in the hand, as opposed to actually developing a product that is worth consumers buying. We're consumers, we vote with our wallets.

pidipidi39
12th Aug 2014, 13:53
Guys, I'm actually really sad.
That's it. I'm just sad.

I just guess that playing ROTTR won't be a thing for me.

Jurre
12th Aug 2014, 13:54
I doubt they'll ever learn that lesson, but all we can do is try...

BR4DDERS1986
12th Aug 2014, 13:55
As you may have seen, we've just announced that Rise of the Tomb Raider, coming Holiday 2015, is exclusively on Xbox. We consider all of you to be the lifeblood of Tomb Raider and the work we do at Crystal. I'd like to give you some insight into this decision, and why we feel this is the very best thing for the Tomb Raider sequel we're creating at the studio.

Tomb Raider in 2013 was a success due in large part to your continued support. Our goal has always been to deliver something truly special with Rise of the Tomb Raider. Today's announcement with Microsoft is one step to help us put Tomb Raider on top of action adventure gaming. Our friends at Microsoft have always seen huge potential in Tomb Raider and have believed in our vision since our first unveil with them on their stage at E3 2011. We know they will get behind this game more than any support we have had from them in the past - we believe this will be a step to really forging the Tomb Raider brand as one of the biggest in gaming, with the help, belief and backing of a major partner like Microsoft.

This doesn't mean that we're walking away from our fans who only play on PlayStation or on PC. Those are great systems, with great partners, and amazing communities. We have Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris coming to those platforms this December, and Tomb Raider: The Definitive Edition is available on PS4.

We know that there are probably many more questions and concerns. Please do send them to us, and we'll answer to the best of our ability. Meanwhile we're going all out to try and make something truly special - the most ambitious Tomb Raider game ever built.

Thanks,

Darrell Gallagher
Crystal Dynamics Head of Studios

If you consider us all to be the lifeblood of Tomb Raider then why are you screwing most of us over?

Uludelu
12th Aug 2014, 13:55
I hope you'll choke with the money Micro**** gave you !!!

And don't lie to us saying it's about to give best gaming experience, we are not stupid and we know it's all about money so go **** yourself !!!

You've just lost a great fan and you can be sure i'm not buying that micro**** decoding tv to play your game ! And If finaly you release it on Pc I won't buy it but download a pirate version !!!

You really betrayed us ! And that we won't forget you can be sure of that !

JaxGames
12th Aug 2014, 13:56
@CD
http://media.tumblr.com/dbe385946a3b22088444d2134f7beef8/tumblr_inline_na73nvYhts1qc5mrj.gif

This is just :lmao: but so true

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 13:56
If you consider us all to be the lifeblood of Tomb Raider then why of you screwing most of us over?

Indeed, the irony in that statement was high!

pidipidi39
12th Aug 2014, 13:56
If you consider us all to be the lifeblood of Tomb Raider then why of you screwing most of us over?
Because of reasons, apparently.

Metalrocks
12th Aug 2014, 14:00
when i think of it that i was so happy that CD took over and delivered us the LAU games and the amazing reboot, serving the community here last year when the game was released, taking my time to do the wishlist and now this. i just feel like stabbed in the back.

i just really hope this is all wrong and CD will clarify it asap. just like this attempted rape news that CD had to straighten out.

pidipidi39
12th Aug 2014, 14:02
i just really hope this is all wrong and CD will clarify it asap. just like this attempted rape news that CD had to straighten out.
They already clarified all that had to be clarified, tho. :(

I get you, I feel betrayed too.

PermanentlyAngry
12th Aug 2014, 14:02
Indeed, the irony in that statement was high!

The thing is when I read that it just made me even more angry. Just be honest and stop the PR spin. They took the money and ran. Sadly their life blood is boiling right now. Doubt they have many fans (life blood) left after this.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 14:03
when i think of it that i was so happy that CD took over and delivered us the LAU games and the amazing reboot, serving the community here last year when the game was released, taking my time to do the wishlist and now this. i just feel like stabbed in the back.

i just really hope this is all wrong and CD will clarify it asap. just like this attempted rape news that CD had to straighten out.



^ Yeah, man, we were really excited as a community, you even managed the wishlist and it's like, hey thank for your feedback, have fun with this game you won't be playing :eek:

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 14:04
Guys, I'm actually really sad.
That's it. I'm just sad.

I just guess that playing ROTTR won't be a thing for me.
Yeah I'm also sad.. I just wished that at least they had another good TR only for Sony not just that crappy Lara Croft and the temple of Osiris

guys I think we need to make a new hash tag and spread that across the world! We need to do something! I'm totally going to boycott! So let's start!!! Anyone good ideas?
What about:
#TRgoneandforevergone
#goneandforgotten
#CDisinsane

Zero86Sk
12th Aug 2014, 14:06
I just have to say 2 things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTNP792ykYM
This is stupid

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeaGJRV-whU
BETRAYAL!!!

Seiroulsy I played the amazing reboot on PC and was so hyped for Rise of the Tomb Raider, And I dont have an Xbox One and i wont buy it just for 1 game.

Square betrayed all the loyal PC and PlayStation owners with this move.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 14:06
Yeah I'm also sad.. I just wished that at least they had another good TR only for Sony not just that crappy Lara Croft and the temple of Osiris

That won't make up for this... :(


guys I think we need to make a new hash tag and spread that across the world! We need to do something! I'm totally going to boycott! So let's start!!! Anyone good ideas?
What about:
#TRgoneandforevergone
#goneandforgotten
#CDisinsane

I think #BringBackROTTR is a good one... we need to make this official somehow!!!

PermanentlyAngry
12th Aug 2014, 14:07
#MadeyourownTomb

Bokoblin23
12th Aug 2014, 14:07
More than likely a timed exclusive based on the new information I have heard.

I wish the team luck with their game :)

Peace and love.

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 14:08
That won't make up for this... :(



I think #BringBackROTTR is a good one... we need to make this official somehow!!!
Yeah, someone that gets me! What is a better way to make it official than hashtags?

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 14:09
Here's my tweet:

https://twitter.com/DinoRammstein/status/499195529189154816

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_Ninja_
12th Aug 2014, 14:10
This is goodbye. I will never play Rise of Tomb Raider. I'm a PC player and if I buy a console it will not be Xbox.

I would participate in whatever campaign, but it is useless. They knew how people would react the moment they did this.

Thanks CD for being soulless, cynical dicks. Plenty of companies make money without exclusivity. But you had to make a franchise that was always multi-platform an exclusive and screw many of TR fans. Screw you.

Jurre
12th Aug 2014, 14:10
when i think of it that i was so happy that CD took over and delivered us the LAU games and the amazing reboot, serving the community here last year when the game was released, taking my time to do the wishlist and now this. i just feel like stabbed in the back.

i just really hope this is all wrong and CD will clarify it asap. just like this attempted rape news that CD had to straighten out.

Of course we all got a head full of steam right now, but it's not Crystal Dynamics we should direct our anger to. They're the ones taking their orders from Square Enix and Microsoft, and they're the ones who are ordered to bring the bad news and take the crapstorm that it produces. I have always said that publishers are a necessary evil and damn, how I hate to be right...

PermanentlyAngry
12th Aug 2014, 14:11
Indeed, the irony in that statement was high!


First of all, I really hope everyone is being civil about this, mainly because I know community forums can get pretty toxic about this sort of thing and it never helps anyone. Also, please understand people work in this industry love what they do and attacking them for something you don't agree with (and something most can't even control) is a form of violence, even if you think they are just words, please consider that we are all kin and a repeat of past controversies would be sad.

For my 2 cents: TR2013 was one of my favorite games of all time. I truly hope it's sequel will at least come to PC at some point, but I don't feel it was fair that a deal was made for a non-exclusive series to become exclusive on consoles.

I would just like to register my disappointment and although I'm sure it will be a wonderful game, I can't be buying a whole new console to experience a single game.

I wish the team luck with their game :)

Peace and love.

While I agree with the sentiment to a degree, I'm sorry but I humbly disagree. Someone, somewhere within CD and SE is responsible for this decision. As gamers we only have forums and our wallets as a means of letting companies know when things stink. I don't think anyone is issuing personal attacks on individuals, but right now as companies Crystal Dynamics and squareEnix deserve all the flak they will get and more. terrible decision and a betrayal of their life blood.

Thetford
12th Aug 2014, 14:12
I just feel like I've been poked in the eye by one of 90s Lara's mammaries. Why would they restrict themselves in such a fashion?

Does this mean another company with the same initials will take over the franchise, continue the current story line a little bit, do a remake, then reboot the series?

If so, can Cryptic Digital remake TRII, I so would like to see a HD Maria Doria ...

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 14:15
There's also this:

https://31.media.tumblr.com/e7c249ce36869a05daade8181c6d3ec6/tumblr_na75vkA3OI1raqiw9o1_500.jpg

Jetpac
12th Aug 2014, 14:17
I registered just to say I am extremely disappointed to this decision. I hope M$ paid you enough to cover the loss of sales from the PC and PS fans.

And no I will not purchase a Xbone or any more of your games. It is quite clear you do not care about your fans.

Bokoblin23
12th Aug 2014, 14:18
While I agree with the sentiment to a degree, I'm sorry but I humbly disagree. Someone, somewhere within CD and SE is responsible for this decision. As gamers we only have forums and our wallets as a means of letting companies know when things stink. I don't think anyone is issuing personal attacks on individuals, but right now as companies Crystal Dynamics and squareEnix deserve all the flak they will get and more. terrible decision and a betrayal of their life blood.

Not buying a game and politely registering disappointment isn't an issue.

However, I don't think it's fair to turn this into a big fuss, because that energy could be devoted to far bigger issues around the world than the exclusivity of a TR game.

Yes, we are all passionate about this art form, but there are degrees of appropriate response depending on the issue. This is not exactly war or bank corruption.

Also, lets not forget it's most likely a timed exclusive and this fuss would be for nothing anyways.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 14:19
^ Don't bring Middle East into this, man, that's just wrong...

Murphdawg1
12th Aug 2014, 14:20
Total bull**** Square/CD the Xbox One is losing to the PS3 in terms of which platform people would buy the game on. You just gave the middle finger to the biggest portions of your fan base Playstation and PC.

JaxGames
12th Aug 2014, 14:21
You done goof CD you really did http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1220/6228/original.jpg?w=480&h

Phaid_Min6Char_Sigh
12th Aug 2014, 14:21
Since I couldn't care less about the childish "console war" MS and Sony have been waging for quite a while, what matters to me is a PC release - I don't care if it happens a few months after the RoTT's launch on XOne, I just hope it's on the cards.

Still, one of the dumbest decisions that could have been made. Do they want this game to flop or what?

Thetford
12th Aug 2014, 14:24
Yeah I'm also sad.. I just wished that at least they had another good TR only for Sony not just that crappy Lara Croft and the temple of Osiris

guys I think we need to make a new hash tag and spread that across the world! We need to do something! I'm totally going to boycott! So let's start!!! Anyone good ideas?
What about:
#TRgoneandforevergone
#goneandforgotten
#CDisinsane

It may be cheesy but #FalloftheTombRaider?

CongoJack
12th Aug 2014, 14:24
This game will do for Square what Ryse and the Xbone did for Crytek.

Metalrocks
12th Aug 2014, 14:24
when i think of it, the same crap happened with halo. the first 2 titles were released for PC, and what happened? part 3 saw never the light on the PC. just xbox exclusive and thats it. no part 3 for PC. we are left in the dark how the story ends. i know halo is not a milestone but i sure enjoyed it regardless.

CD or SE. i dont care really. we already know that SE cried like little babies calling TR a failure because it didnt sell the amount they hopped for.

SofaJockey
12th Aug 2014, 14:29
Probably too soon to rationalise, but the games market has exclusives. I don't like it but there it is. Many have their preferences (Sony/MS) but others will choose their next console based on game choices.

In this generation there were no obvious exclusives that drew me to one console of other. In the end I went Xbox because I already had a 360. I can't play Uncharted / Last of Us - I understand they are very good. I could very easily have gone PS4 had there been one exclusive that would have tipped me that way and I guess that's what Microsoft are hoping for as there are still very many folk on last gen.

To those on PS4 or committed to PS, I feel your pain, I can also understand that the Xbox players on this forum are in the main keeping their heads down at the moment.

Reading the CD announcement, CD have tried to put a positive spin on it:

"This doesn't mean that we're walking away from our fans who only play on PlayStation or on PC. Those are great systems, with great partners, and amazing communities. We have Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris coming to those platforms this December, and Tomb Raider: The Definitive Edition is available on PS4."

Though in all honesty whilst they had to be positive, it's not a great message for PS gamers. Perhaps in the future a RotTR GOTY edition could count as falling outside of the exclusivity window, but that's going to be a couple of years if it happens at all. Yes, CD are mostly walking away from other gamers but that's hard to say in a nice way.

It does feel a bit like there weren't enough seats on the bus for a large family and some being left behind. :(

Financially this injection of MS$ can give some financial certainty to allow CD to develop an awesome game without as much risk. I can understand the decision is not popular, but with that funding CD have less risk and actually therefore need to sell less games - selling enough games was an issue for the last TR title after all even though it was successful.

With the financial news about the last TR being financially disappointing (even if successful), it could even be that this news allows a sequel that without Xbox exclusivity would have been too risky to develop at all. The real answer may be Xbox or nothing.

If RotTR is awesome, as I hope, then there will be more than enough Xbox players who will eat it up, just sad that not all can come along.

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 14:29
I posted this.
jxmskx_CDisinsane.jpg

dark7angel
12th Aug 2014, 14:31
CD or SE. i dont care really. we already know that SE cried like little babies calling TR a failure because it didnt sell the amount they hopped for.

What I don't get is how making it an XBONE exclusive is going to help them in sales when (if I'm not mistaken) TR did better on PS and PC than on Xbox????

_Ninja_
12th Aug 2014, 14:33
Sign the petition.

https://www.change.org/petitions/square-enix-and-crystal-dynamics-rescind-the-arrangement-to-publish-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-exclusively-on-xbox-one-2

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 14:33
It may be cheesy but #FalloftheTombRaider?
I like that one. :thumb:

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 14:34
Probably too soon to rationalise, but the games market has exclusives. I don't like it but there it is. Many have their preferences (Sony/MS) but others will choose their next console based on game choices.

In this generation there were no obvious exclusives that drew me to one console of other. In the end I went Xbox because I already had a 360. I can't play Uncharted / Last of Us - I understand they are very good. I could very easily have gone PS4 had there been one exclusive that would have tipped me that way and I guess that's what Microsoft are hoping for as there are still very many folk on last gen.

To those on PS4 or committed to PS, I feel your pain, I can also understand that the Xbox players on this forum are in the main keeping their heads down at the moment.

Reading the CD announcement, CD have tried to put a positive spin on it:

"This doesn't mean that we're walking away from our fans who only play on PlayStation or on PC. Those are great systems, with great partners, and amazing communities. We have Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris coming to those platforms this December, and Tomb Raider: The Definitive Edition is available on PS4."

Though in all honesty whilst they had to be positive, it's not a great message for PS gamers. Perhaps in the future a RotTR GOTY edition could count as falling outside of the exclusivity window, but that's going to be a couple of years if it happens at all. Yes, CD are mostly walking away from other gamers but that's hard to say in a nice way.

It does feel a bit like there weren't enough seats on the bus for a large family and some being left behind. :(

Financially this injection of MS$ can give some financial certainty to allow CD to develop an awesome game without as much risk. I can understand the decision is not popular, but with that funding CD have less risk and actually therefore need to sell less games - selling enough games was an issue for the last TR title after all even though it was successful.

With the financial news about the last TR being financially disappointing (even if successful), it could even be that this news allows a sequel that without Xbox exclusivity would have been too risky to develop at all. The real answer may be Xbox or nothing.

If RotTR is awesome, as I hope, then there will be more than enough Xbox players who will eat it up, just sad that not all can come along.

What's the use of developing an awesome game if nobody's gonna play it? :( And Uncharted and The Last of Us were exclusives from the very beginning, coming from the same studio that puts out PS exclusive games... TR is different.

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 14:34
What I don't get is how making it an XBONE exclusive is going to help them in sales when (if I'm not mistaken) TR did better on PS and PC than on Xbox????
I also don't get it. If they want to have more salles then this is really stupid.

Jurre
12th Aug 2014, 14:35
What I don't get is how making it an XBONE exclusive is going to help them in sales when (if I'm not mistaken) TR did better on PS and PC than on Xbox????

Microsoft wants to have as much exclusives in their camp as they can get and apparently are prepared to offer more money than the profit that can be made from PS & PC gamers. What those CEO's in their high towers don't get is that Xbone one has been a sinking ship right from the start and now they're dragging Tomb Raider along with it into the deep.

3rdmillhouse
12th Aug 2014, 14:35
******* disappointing.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 14:35
Sign the petition.

https://www.change.org/petitions/square-enix-and-crystal-dynamics-rescind-the-arrangement-to-publish-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-exclusively-on-xbox-one-2

Signed.


I guess sales don't matter when you have the money from Microsoft :(

XylophoneDealers
12th Aug 2014, 14:37
Ok surely by the comments on this thread CD will realise that this is a bad choice. Have we had another official response from CD/SE?

PermanentlyAngry
12th Aug 2014, 14:37
What I don't get is how making it an XBONE exclusive is going to help them in sales when (if I'm not mistaken) TR did better on PS and PC than on Xbox????

Yes it did do better on PS and PC. The point is Microsoft will have parked a boatload of cash outside of SE/CD HQ for exclusivity. Either reducing or altogether removing the risk of developing the game. However, I think it has the potential to massively backfire on all concerned.

I get console exclusives, I really, really do. Games developed by platform holders, or just outright bought by them, a la Titanfall. But for an established franchise that became what it is thanks to PlayStation to find itself bought as an Xbox exclusive is just awful.

I'd be saying the same if the boot was on the other foot and Sony had made this deal. This for me isn't a Sony vs Microsoft thing. It's a big business versus consumers thing. I for one won't be taken for a ride.

a_big_house
12th Aug 2014, 14:38
Ok surely by the comments on this thread CD will realise that this is a bad choice. Have we had another official response from CD/SE?

No, but one of the level designers is laughing it off on Twitter... :rolleyes:

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 14:38
Whoever made the choice, they knew it was bad, they just didn't give a damn...

pidipidi39
12th Aug 2014, 14:40
No, but one of the level designers is laughing it off on Twitter... :rolleyes:
What.

Really? ._.


Whoever made the choice, they knew it was bad, they just didn't give a damn...
Exactly.

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 14:40
No, but one of the level designers is laughing it off on Twitter... :rolleyes:
Is he laughing at us?

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 14:40
No, but one of the level designers is laughing it off on Twitter... :rolleyes:

What, where? :eek:

SofaJockey
12th Aug 2014, 14:41
What's the use of developing an awesome game if nobody's gonna play it? :( And Uncharted and The Last of Us were exclusives from the very beginning, coming from the same studio that puts out PS exclusive games... TR is different.

You may well be right about the exclusive from the start point, but clearly Microsoft and CD don't think that 'nobody's gonna play it' or they would not have funded the exclusivity. I guess we will see in time...

a_big_house
12th Aug 2014, 14:41
Right here; https://twitter.com/ADovichi/status/499200999203295232

hdnss
12th Aug 2014, 14:43
Yeah I'm also sad.. I just wished that at least they had another good TR only for Sony not just that crappy Lara Croft and the temple of Osiris

guys I think we need to make a new hash tag and spread that across the world! We need to do something! I'm totally going to boycott! So let's start!!! Anyone good ideas?
What about:
#TRgoneandforevergone
#goneandforgotten
#CDisinsane

#TheFailOfTombRaider ;)

dark7angel
12th Aug 2014, 14:43
Sign the petition.

https://www.change.org/petitions/square-enix-and-crystal-dynamics-rescind-the-arrangement-to-publish-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-exclusively-on-xbox-one-2

Signed.

Sealtest
12th Aug 2014, 14:44
http://i.imgur.com/igTaJ8i.png

Taken from neogaf.

segamer
12th Aug 2014, 14:44
Thanks for throwing away a great heritage on playstation.

The issue isn't about throwing away heritage, it's about throwing away fans for a money hat. I guess they forgot that they'll need these same fans, the one's they just **** on, to buy future Eidos games.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 14:45
You may well be right about the exclusive from the start point, but clearly Microsoft and CD don't think that 'nobody's gonna play it' or they would not have funded the exclusivity. I guess we will see in time...

Oh, I'm sure there's gonna be people playing it... Some casual players who are not fans... Even some fans will give in to the temptations, since they already own an Xbox1, or they'll even buy it... But I think most of them wont'...


Right here; https://twitter.com/ADovichi/status/499200999203295232

I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or what, I'm not getting that post xD

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 14:46
http://i.imgur.com/igTaJ8i.png

Taken from neogaf.

Yes, thank you for an updated game I played 2 times already, wow, you're so kind :3

Jurre
12th Aug 2014, 14:46
Jim Sterling has caught onto the news:

http://i.imgur.com/HrOk6qB.jpg

I wouldn't be surprised if he's gonna make a Jimquisition episode out of this...

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 14:47
Oh, I'm sure there's gonna be people playing it... Some casual players who are not fans... Even some fans will give in to the temptations, since they already own an Xbox1, or they'll even buy it... But I think most of them wont'...



I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or what, I'm not getting that post xD

I also don't get that post. :o
And hell no I'm never going to buy a Xbox1! #TRgoneandforevergone

Metalrocks
12th Aug 2014, 14:48
MS must have payed a lot. just as mentioned earlier: the xbone was doing bad right after its announcement. what has MS done so far?
changed its policy.
offering titanfall with the xbone.
paying CD/SE to make a huge franchise exclusive for their platform just to boost sales.


@jim
i would not be surprised if he will make a video about it next week on escapist how retarded this is, if not this week. he did it few times that he made an emergency jimquisition if a news was really amazing.

tcooley2003
12th Aug 2014, 14:48
As far as I am concerned, this is The Fall of the Tomb Raider series.

It is sad that a game so great last year has been killed off already.


I will not be forced into buying a system I do not want just because of a dumb decision by SE.

Bokoblin23
12th Aug 2014, 14:49
Geoff Keighley on twitter:

"Spoke to many people here at Xbox press conference on Tomb Raider. Official line is that the game is "exclusive on Xbox for holiday 2015.""

Sounds like a timed exclusive like I thought. Please don't overreact guys.

Either way, <3 to everyone at CD SE etc.

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 14:50
MS must have payed a lot. just as mentioned earlier: the xbone was doing bad right after its announcement. what has MS done so far?
changed its policy.
offering titanfall with the xbone.
paying CD/SE to make a huge franchise exclusive for their platform just to boost sales.

If they want to get more sales then they're doing it wrong! :lol:
I hate Microsoft even more now. So well done Microsoft, and what did you achieve: the hate of fans across the world.

*takes bow*
So guys.... Ready for the war? :D

Chakram
12th Aug 2014, 14:53
Bloody joke. Sorry for the profanity, but I don't like X Box, already own a PS4, and after being a faithful fan since 1996 when I was 11 it feels like a comlete slap in he face!!!

billy98raider
12th Aug 2014, 14:54
:mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:
:mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:

I am seriously trying not to curse. Not that it will matter as i won't have any future activity in this forum as long as this game remains exclusive to XboxOne. I wish Crystal Dynamics has messed up their calendars aand think that today is April Fool's. Again : :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:

You just destroyed any future (commercial) success this game could have. If this was contained to just some exlusive missions, I seriously wouldn't mind at all. Tomb Raider just opened its own TOMB.
Now I will buy Uncharted 4 in its place.
R.I.P. Tomb Raider

I hope CD realise their mistake and correct it as soon as possible, so that Tomb Raider will RISE again.
Enjoy your reduced sales and have a nice day SE and CD.

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 14:56
I'm really wondering what Driber's reaction will be.... :D

Driber
12th Aug 2014, 14:57
Sign the petition.

https://www.change.org/petitions/square-enix-and-crystal-dynamics-rescind-the-arrangement-to-publish-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-exclusively-on-xbox-one-2

Thanks for the link. Added to OP.

Jurre
12th Aug 2014, 14:57
Now I will buy Uncharted 4 in its place.

Pretty good idea: I'm not too sweet on that series but it will feel good inside... It's like: you want the Xbox and PS crowds to be devided? Fine, then I will stand at my side and play their games...

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 14:57
I'm really wondering what Driber's reaction will be.... :D

I was thinking about that too xD

Aaaaaand here he is :3

Metalrocks
12th Aug 2014, 15:00
i guess he is not obliged by the company to show any concern about it. but i know he is a PS owner so i guess he must be not happy about it either.

BR4DDERS1986
12th Aug 2014, 15:00
Sign the petition.

https://www.change.org/petitions/square-enix-and-crystal-dynamics-rescind-the-arrangement-to-publish-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-exclusively-on-xbox-one-2

Signed.

tcooley2003
12th Aug 2014, 15:05
Signed.

Signed as well

Driber
12th Aug 2014, 15:06
I'm not ready to chime in just yet, because my feedback would not be a pretty one right now, but you certainly are not far off, Rowan...

mugenkb1
12th Aug 2014, 15:08
Another stupid move by SQEX, man...eff this. Yes, Mr. Gallagher, Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris can totally compare to the Rise of the Tomb Raider...you kidding me!?!?!

BR4DDERS1986
12th Aug 2014, 15:11
Tomb Raider sold over 6 million copies, only money grubbing suits would think that was a failure.

Metalrocks
12th Aug 2014, 15:13
I'm not ready to chime in just yet, because my feedback would not be a pretty one right now, but you certainly are not far off, Rowan...

yeah, had a feeling you would be. i think pragmatic would suit you at this stage how you see it. plus, company on your back. but you pretty much gave your opinion with this statement that you are on our side :thumb::worship:

@bra4dd
well, SE called it a failure when TR sold over 3.5mill in the first month and they expected 5.

kadosho
12th Aug 2014, 15:22
To think staying on the multi-system path would be a better decision. Timed exclusive? Maybe. Bummer things like this happen, but I honestly believe TR should be available to everyone.

GoggleboxUK
12th Aug 2014, 15:23
Well, my 20 year affair with Lara Croft is over. **** you very much CD!

#Laragotraped

No wonder Meagan left!

DamianGraham
12th Aug 2014, 15:23
So heres some logic. PS4 outsold XB1 3:1 for over 6 months now. If CD really wanted to make money, they shouldve made this a PS4 exclusive because that would have reached a FAR wider fanbase than the crapbox. Unfortunately CD has joined the ranks in companies I hate in doing this. I was super loyal, been a follower since the original Tomb Raider released, bought the comics, shirts, posters, movies, soundtracks, everything. Not anymore. Until I see this game for the PS4 and PC even, I won't spend a dime to feed these money hungry idiots.

CD you've F**ked this one up BIG TIME and I hope the sales falter for RoTTR so you're forced to release it on other systems, at which point I won't buy new, I will buy used from another retailer so that money doesn't go anywhere near y'all. What a slap in the face.

I'm seriously pissed and signed the petition, but honestly what good is a petition gonna do for a greedy company? They already have the contract signed and money in hand. Lol just seeing the "Tomb Raider will have even more realistic graphics than the last" tripe makes me laugh now. XB1 has trouble even running at 60 FPS and 1080p. CD y'all SUCK.

lilrican
12th Aug 2014, 15:26
Square and crystal d you lost a customer. You just pretty much killed most of your fan base.

Lycantendencies
12th Aug 2014, 15:32
This is surprising, especially if it is a permanent or even long term exclusive.
Shame too...

Valenka
12th Aug 2014, 15:33
I love how people are so quick to jump down Microsoft's throat. Calm down, guys. For all we know, this was Square Enix's decision without any input or compensation from Microsoft. :wave:

Galactus123
12th Aug 2014, 15:34
@bra4dd
well, SE called it a failure when TR sold over 3.5mill in the first month and they expected 5.

Making the sequel a exclusive is not very good way to make it sell more than that.

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 15:35
I'm still a fan of TR and of CD. I will always support them, but now they pushed me over the edge, I'm not going to buy anything that has to do with CD until they give us ROTTR for PS3, PS4 and pc. What they did is just extremely dumb. They want higher sales? Then don't make it a freaking xbox exclusive. I'm really disappointed in them.. I thought they were smarter and more loyal than Microsoft.... The loyal part breaks me even more. And they say that we have Lara Croft and the temple of Osiris so that we don't have to complain, but you can't compare a cookie with a pie..

GoggleboxUK
12th Aug 2014, 15:35
I love how people are so quick to jump down Microsoft's throat. Calm down, guys. For all we know, this was Square Enix's decision without any input or compensation from Microsoft. :wave:

And I bet you still believe in Father Christmas too right?

Brex
12th Aug 2014, 15:37
New Tomb Raider for the PC is not available for the Xbox ... Are you serious ...
Did you buy the XBOX gets people to care about Tomb Raider game ..Tomb raider is not your property, it's players. With the money you can not sell it to Microsoft. Give me back my game Tomb Raider. Forever PC Gaming. I hate Consoles...:mad



http://tombraider.tumblr.com/post/94...-raider-update

Cephsus
12th Aug 2014, 15:38
Wow this is quite disappointing news. What the hell.

Valenka
12th Aug 2014, 15:39
And I bet you still believe in Father Christmas too right?

Holiday wives tales are not the point of discussion here. I'm simply highlighting the possibility that this was the decision of the developer entirely. :wave:

DamianGraham
12th Aug 2014, 15:39
Making the sequel a exclusive is not very good way to make it sell more than that.

Especially when the exclusivity is going to a smaller fanbase! There aren't as many XB1's sold as PS4's so the fact that they thing this was smart is laughable. It's not going to reach as wide of an audience now, and thus killing the franchise. Square Enix doesn't play around with it, they said the last game wasn't profitable after it sold relatively well, so when this bombs, bye bye Tomb Raider.

*EDIT @Valenka I'm pretty sure Micro$oft approached them for this to help push sales for their console. I will NOT feed into that kind of bullying, I refuse to spend another dime on this series until it is made available for everyone like it always has been.

Deli
12th Aug 2014, 15:39
Ehh don't know if to laugh or cry! This is one of the most retarded decision ever made in gaming!

There is nothing as idiotic as a series/franchise that keeps switching platforms back and forth and cus nobody bought the #3 installment in a series that was the only one that came to for example PC, they decide to not release next game either on PC, so out of 4 games you get 1 on your platform. I personally am not going to start playing a series midway that most likely will not see a sequel!

Somewhere i can accept console-exclusivity, But exclusiveness on one, and in this case the crappier console and not even give players a chance to play it on PC, well that just sucks!

I will not settle for a PC-release either 1 year later that once was but isn't any longer up to par with other new games and they just tweaked the textures abit.


Btw is this a game studio decesion or a Square Enix decision? and will more games like Thief and Hitman be the victims of mentally challanged people?

GoggleboxUK
12th Aug 2014, 15:40
1100 signatures on the petition already, SHARE IT!!

https://www.change.org/petitions/square-enix-and-crystal-dynamics-rescind-the-arrangement-to-publish-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-exclusively-on-xbox-one-2

segamer
12th Aug 2014, 15:40
I love how people are so quick to jump down Microsoft's throat. Calm down, guys. For all we know, this was Square Enix's decision without any input or compensation from Microsoft. :wave:

Tomb Raider DE sold two to one on PS4 over Xbox One. Common Sense... It's a money hat.

Metalrocks
12th Aug 2014, 15:40
Making the sequel a exclusive is not very good way to make it sell more than that.

office people usually dont think logically. and if they knew, then MS must have given them a lot of money to do this.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 15:40
Like I already said, sales don't matter if they already have the money from the deal.

a_big_house
12th Aug 2014, 15:43
The money from the deal won't cover another game though, it'll be SE paying for that :hmm:

Metalrocks
12th Aug 2014, 15:44
well, now i have signed the petition as well.

pidipidi39
12th Aug 2014, 15:44
Like I already said, sales don't matter if they already have the money from the deal.
This is so true it's sad. :(

CroftManiac
12th Aug 2014, 15:45
I'm sure ROTTR will be released on ps4 as well as pc. I hope it was a rough decision to be an xbox exclusive.

Valenka
12th Aug 2014, 15:46
Lmao, no point in trying to talk to the angry mob. :wave:
Fingers crossed for you guys, but I strongly suggest that you avoid letting your anger prevent you from hearing the opinions of others.

DamianGraham
12th Aug 2014, 15:48
1100 signatures on the petition already, SHARE IT!!

https://www.change.org/petitions/square-enix-and-crystal-dynamics-rescind-the-arrangement-to-publish-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-exclusively-on-xbox-one-2

Been sharing on every media outlet possible, CD is going to rue the day they made such a silly decision as to make TR an exclusive

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 15:48
Like I already said, sales don't matter if they already have the money from the deal.

That's really sad... They give more about money than about the fans, the game and Lara.
That said, if they want to make up for it then they have to come with a really really good game that is exclusive for sony. :D

But they destroyed my dreams...
The first dream was that I wanted to play ROTTR.
The second dream was that I wanted to work for CD, maybe do something with designing or at least something were I could draw, but they destroyed those dreams, so thank you CD...

CroftManiac
12th Aug 2014, 15:49
Lmao, no point in trying to talk to the angry mob. :wave:
Fingers crossed for you guys, but I strongly suggest that you avoid letting your anger prevent you from hearing the opinions of others.
I agree. Hoping the game to be a failure is not going to work. Only time will tell if it is going to be an xbox exclusive.... Calm down people ;)

Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 15:50
I agree. Hoping the game to be a failure is not going to work. Only time will tell if it is going to be an xbox exclusive.... Calm down people ;)


Agreed.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 15:51
That said, if they want to make up for it then they have to come with a really really good game that is exclusive for sony. :D

That'll just make it worse...

wartsdlogydna
12th Aug 2014, 15:52
As the game was originally advertised for both PS4 and XB1 and many fans will have already setup pre-orders for it then technically its a breach of trading standards as they've advertised false information even by as much as a PS4 trailer.:mad2:

Metalrocks
12th Aug 2014, 15:52
well, i try to sleep about it. i guess by tomorrow this would have reached 20 pages when i log in here some time tomorrow.

i hope by then that CD responds to it and ensures us that we will see it on multi platforms.

GoggleboxUK
12th Aug 2014, 15:54
I'm all for hearing opinions but at the stage we have just one fact: RotTR has been made an XBox One exclusive for holiday 2015 and anyone saying it will come out on other platforms at a later date is currently just conjecturing.

What we need is an official statement from Eidos, Square Enix or Crystal Dynamics, hopefully BEFORE the whole TR community washes its hands of the game and any future releases.

ARaider
12th Aug 2014, 15:54
That'll just make it worse...
Worse than it already is??
That's almost impossible. :)

DamianGraham
12th Aug 2014, 15:55
I agree. Hoping the game to be a failure is not going to work. Only time will tell if it is going to be an xbox exclusive.... Calm down people ;)

It's the principle of the matter. I'm sure they'll realize what a retarded mistake this was and change it to be multi platform, but it's too late. They slapped us in the face to begin with, If it does get released for PS4, I'll be sure to buy it through a 3rd party or a used copy so they don't see a DIME of my money. Hope this teaches a valuable lesson CD and SE. Greed doesn't pay.

Sealtest
12th Aug 2014, 15:55
There isn't enough herbal tea in the world 2 calm me down from this...

For SE's sake the rumor about this only being timed better be true.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 15:57
I'm all for hearing opinions but at the stage we have just one fact: RotTR has been made an XBox One exclusive for holiday 2015 and anyone saying it will come out on other platforms at a later date is currently just conjecturing.

What we need is an official statement from Eidos, Square Enix or Crystal Dynamics, hopefully BEFORE the whole TR community washes its hands of the game and any future releases.

Preach it!


Worse than it already is??
That's almost impossible. :)

No, it isn't. Platform exclusivity is platform exclusivity, be it Xbox, PS or PC.

Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 15:59
I'm all for hearing opinions but at the stage we have just one fact: RotTR has been made an XBox One exclusive for holiday 2015

Exactly.

CroftManiac
12th Aug 2014, 16:00
I'm all for hearing opinions but at the stage we have just one fact: RotTR has been made an XBox One exclusive for holiday 2015 and anyone saying it will come out on other platforms at a later date is currently just conjecturing.

What we need is an official statement from Eidos, Square Enix or Crystal Dynamics, hopefully BEFORE the whole TR community washes its hands of the game and any future releases.
I think they are not going to just ignore the fans... But then again , it's ok.
The world is not going to explode or anything. Fans ( like me :p ) are so impatient (which is bad) ....

segamer
12th Aug 2014, 16:04
1100 signatures on the petition already, SHARE IT!!

https://www.change.org/petitions/square-enix-and-crystal-dynamics-rescind-the-arrangement-to-publish-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-exclusively-on-xbox-one-2

Signatures don't matter. This reaction over the exclusive deal was expected. The only way to send a message to Square Enix/Eidos is not to support them as a company. That ways, these types of deals don't happen in the future.

As far as RoTTR is concerned, it's too late. Square Enix/Eidos already accepted a money hat. Vote with your wallet.

GoggleboxUK
12th Aug 2014, 16:04
I think they are not going to just ignore the fans... But then again , it's ok.
The world is not going to explode or anything. Fans ( like me :p ) are so impatient (which is bad) ....

They already have ignored the fans!

Surely, if thie decision has been made to give MS first release and PS4 and PC will follow, somebody somewhere should have thought to mention it on the official forum to the TR Community first to save the main consumer base feeling slapped in the face?

ActionHero
12th Aug 2014, 16:06
I've been a fan of this series for 16 years. The first "new" game I got was TR3, I was eleven. I played every game, and put up with "real gamers" insulting me that I couldn't possibly be a "real gamer" because my favorite franchise was so "uncool." I stood by and I bragged about the reboot from the heavens, and I enjoyed that finally, FINALLY, Lara was getting the trust of the casual gamer again.. and then this.

You know, when the people who cared enough about the franchise to post on this forum between releases took a poll, and 78 people expressed a preference for non-XBOX consoles vs 15 who wanted XBOX:
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=145124

you'd think you'd notice something.


When your last game sold 2-to-1 on PlayStation that it did on XBOX, you'd think you'd notice a bit more. When XBOX consoles are being outsold 3-to-1 by PlayStation consoles, you'd think this decision would be made for you. When you have to immediately follow your announcement with an apology, it should be pretty obvious that you're screwing up. You JUST STARTED getting the trust of the average gamer back, and now you're spitting in everyone's faces. The bread and butter of your franchise for 20 years, the people who continued buying your games even when the quality was suffering, are the exact people you're calling irrelevant by making this decision.

Hell, the entire reason I bought my PS4 three weeks ago is because there wasn't a console exclusivity announced with the game at E3, and you've never done this before. After 16 years, after buying diorama figures and games and shirts and controllers, I might actually be done.

pomeranianpuppy
12th Aug 2014, 16:07
I'm shocked. I was foolishly hoping for a xbox 360 and ps3 version :(

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UgSmjKnuScA/Um47Dfwf-MI/AAAAAAAACis/GsJEseWQY40/s1600/Bill+Gates+Pie+Face.gif

MissBrandy
12th Aug 2014, 16:08
The only way to send a message to Square Enix/Eidos is not to support them as a company. That ways, these types of deals don't happen in the future. .

I guess the support right now it's totally low .... CD/SE will regret

GoggleboxUK
12th Aug 2014, 16:08
Signatures don't matter. This reaction over the exclusive deal was expected. The only way to send a message to Square Enix/Eidos is not to support them as a company. That ways, these types of deals don't happen in the future.

As far as RoTTR is concerned, it's too late. Square Enix/Eidos already accepted a money hat. Vote with your wallet.

I agree, hitting them in the pocket is the only thing they'll understand and I've already decided that IF RotTR does get a delayed PS4 release then I will buy it preowned rather than support the developers after this move.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 16:08
I feel for you, ActionHero, I was just called being butthurt by a Xbox fan who isn't a TR fan...

CroftManiac
12th Aug 2014, 16:09
They already have ignored the fans!

Surely, if thie decision has been made to give MS first release and PS4 and PC will follow, somebody somewhere should have thought to mention it on the official forum to the TR Community first to save the main consumer base feeling slapped in the face?

Why are you so impatient?? You can not be sure about anything!!
Like I mentioned , this could be a rough decision! So fans should stop whining and wait!!!

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 16:11
Why are you so impatient?? You can not be sure about anything!!
Like I mentioned , this could be a rough decision! So fans should stop whining and wait!!!

Wait for what? Another confirmation that it's an Xbox exclusive?

Tecstar70
12th Aug 2014, 16:11
Uncharted 4 is out near the end of 2015 too. Coincidence?

Valenka
12th Aug 2014, 16:13
What we need is an official statement from Eidos, Square Enix or Crystal Dynamics, hopefully BEFORE the whole TR community washes its hands of the game and any future releases.

That's essentially the point I was leading up to.

Everyone in the Tomb Raider community speaking ill and spouting insults at the companies are completely out of line. I can see why everyone's upset - I am too - but these overreactions need to stop. The community must stick together through this hard time and wait for an official confirmation, as you suggested, regarding whether it is a timed exclusive or not.

To those who sit here and claim that you're no longer a TR fan, no longer supporting the franchise...unreal. That's not being a Tomb Raider fan; that's being entitled and it's immature, I'm afraid. Instead of gathering the pitchforks and torches, you should be sharing positive energy.

A petition is a good idea, but not to boycott the game or anything like that. The petition should be for clarification, initially, so we know whether it's a timed exclusive or a permanent one. THEN, there should be a petition to make ROTTR multi-platform.

:)

CroftManiac
12th Aug 2014, 16:15
Wait for what? Another confirmation that it's an Xbox exclusive?

What I'm saying is that I'm really dissapointed by people wishing the game to be a failure... I don't say I wasn't disturbed by the news. But do you really think that fans should act that way? Should they just quit and curse the game??
You don't now if it is going to be ONLY an xbox exclusive , so why such fus???

GoggleboxUK
12th Aug 2014, 16:15
Uncharted 4 is out near the end of 2015 too. Coincidence?

Now THAT is very interesting! Could CD be atraid of getting beaten to Xmas sales by a TR-inspired game?

Maybe so, either way it's a very silly move to back off and let the 'other guy' win.

Sealtest
12th Aug 2014, 16:16
For people who know who he is CBOAT is saying it's timed, And I would believe him over anyone else until confirmation from SE/CD comes out.

ActionHero
12th Aug 2014, 16:16
I feel for you, ActionHero, I was just called being butthurt by a Xbox fan who isn't a TR fan...

I really don't get that attitude from the XBOX fans. So many of them were angry that Destiny had a delayed beta on XBOX, and it still CAME to XBOX. This is fans of an 18-year franchise being told we don't get to see what happens next, despite what the fans want or the market says. It's difficult to NOT be pissed off about that.

Infamous, Last of Us, Uncharted are great, but they were always exclusives. Sony didn't buy up a series in progress to make an exclusive, they were innovative enough to have them developed at ground level.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 16:18
What I'm saying is that I'm really dissapointed by people wishing the game to be a failure... I don't say I wasn't disturbed by the news. But do you really think that fans should act that way? Should they just quit and curse the game??
You don't now if it is going to be ONLY an xbox exclusive , so why such fus???

I'm against cursing too, but as far as we know right now and it has been said, it's an Xbox exclusive, so there's your fuss. If the deny it, hallelujah, until then, all hell shall break lose, in an orderly fashion, of course.




Infamous, Last of Us, Uncharted are great, but they were always exclusives. Sony didn't buy up a series in progress to make an exclusive, they were innovative enough to have them developed at ground level.

Yep, I was even happy for Microsoft for their Sunset Overdrive game, it seems like such a cool game, and it's a new IP, and that's the way to do it. Not this.

Supa508
12th Aug 2014, 16:21
RotTR will be an Xbox Exclusive. Well thank you very much for slapping your fans in the face. If I even had an Xbox one I wouldn't buy the game. But alas I bought Tomb Raider on my PC, loved it. The reveal of the sequel at E3 was one of my E3 highlights, then this crap? The worst part in all honesty is that your PR bull tumblr post tries to paint this as a service to your fans. How exactly is cutting off 2/3rds of your fans a service? Stop the PR BS all exclusivity deals do is give you guaranteed money! This was a business decision, short sighted, selfish, and shows what little regard you have for your fans. But do not paint it as you doing us a favor! Well played.

GoggleboxUK
12th Aug 2014, 16:21
What I'm saying is that I'm really dissapointed by people wishing the game to be a failure... I don't say I wasn't disturbed by the news. But do you really think that fans should act that way? Should they just quit and curse the game??
You don't now if it is going to be ONLY an xbox exclusive , so why such fus???

It's the old "my console is better than your console" playground stuff that CD/SE have bought into that disappoints me.

It's like a great Man Utd player joining Man City, half of Manchester rejoices and the other half hopes he breaks a leg in training.

If only we had been prewarned here and given the big picture by the companies that are supposed to value our loyalty.

Instead we have to wait, who knows how long for?

CroftManiac
12th Aug 2014, 16:23
I'm against cursing too, but as far as we know right now and it has been said, it's an Xbox exclusive, so there's your fuss. If the deny it, hallelujah, until then, all hell shall break lose, in an orderly fashion, of course.

I'm not whining because and if it is going to be only for xbox. I know fans are pissed off (same here ), but they shouldn't give up ;)
"Hell shall break lose"........ Really?? :p :p :)

MaxRaider
12th Aug 2014, 16:25
I feel for you, ActionHero, I was just called being butthurt by a Xbox fan who isn't a TR fan...

Ouch, that's messed up! :eek:

ActionHero
12th Aug 2014, 16:25
Yep, I was even happy for Microsoft for their Sunset Overdrive game, it seems like such a cool game, and it's a new IP, and that's the way to do it. Not this.

Exactly! I was considering getting a One this holiday season for Sunset Overdrive because it looked like fun, which would have marked the first time I'd ever owned two consoles.. but now, definitely not. I'd have to be GIVEN an XBOX One to play it, and even then, I don't think I'd buy RotTR new after the way they're spitting in the faces of the fans who kept the series afloat this long.

softassassin
12th Aug 2014, 16:27
I just created an account to tell crystal dynamics that they just permanently lost a customer. How can they say that they haven't forgotten about or care for the playstation and pc fanbase when they make this decision. I, for one, will not be purchasing another crystal dynamics made game again.

pomeranianpuppy
12th Aug 2014, 16:27
Petition signed

http://auto.img.v4.skyrock.net/4628/7824628/pics/178093397_small.jpg

Supa508
12th Aug 2014, 16:28
I'll be voting with my wallet. This was a short sighted, selfish, and dishonest business decision on SE's part. The worst part is they try to say it's a service to their fans? Honestly, we aren't dumb folks. We know what this is SE, guaranteed Microsoft money in your pockets. Doesn't help us one bit.

CroftManiac
12th Aug 2014, 16:29
I just created an account to tell crystal dynamics that they just permanently lost a customer. How can they say that they haven't forgotten about or care for the playstation and pc fanbase when they make this decision. I, for one, will not be purchasing another crystal dynamics made game again.

Rebels :rolleyes: . I don't think their intention was to insult the fans...
Yes they are going to lose a great deal of money if they do so , but I think they are having something else in mind....

ActionHero
12th Aug 2014, 16:31
If their intention wasn't to insult the fans, why ignore what the fans have said for YEARS with our wallets & our words on places like this? Why do they think the last game sold double on PlayStation that it did on XBOX -- because we were all waiting anxiously to be saved by the One, the worst console launch in recent gaming memory?

QuiGonJ
12th Aug 2014, 16:34
The announcement said it would be only on Xbox. Would that possibly include the 360, since they didn't specify Xbox One?

MaxRaider
12th Aug 2014, 16:34
As I states on my website:

"This is a complete surprise to me, but I still have their backs. I trust that ultimately Crystal would make the appropriate decision with my beloved franchise. I also understand the frustration in the Tomb Raider community. I am fortunate in the regard of having an Xbox One, but I enjoy all platforms equally. It is still unclear as to "Rise" being an Xbox One TIMED exclusive, but that's what I'm leaning towards."

http://www.maxraider.com/2014/08/rise-of-tomb-raider-xbox-one-exclusive.html

Lara Croft Online
12th Aug 2014, 16:37
I feel like singing American Pie. I thought it was April Fool's day too.
Forest Gump's momma was right.

softassassin
12th Aug 2014, 16:37
Rebel? First of all, you don't know me. They already stated what they have planned. Buy tr definitive edition or wait for temple of osiris. Intentional or not, they did and I stand by my post.

CroftManiac
12th Aug 2014, 16:38
If their intention wasn't to insult the fans, why ignore what the fans have said for YEARS with our wallets & our words on places like this? Why do they think the last game sold double on PlayStation that it did on XBOX -- because we were all waiting anxiously to be saved by the One, the worst console launch in recent gaming memory?

Yes I agree. Xbox sucks :p!! I don't know why they decided to bring it only on xbox ( if they do so ) , but I don't think that they were trying to insult you and any other TR fan . My oppinion is that , if they actually make rottr an xbox exclusive , they simply don't care about the fans ! Not that they want to ''slap'' you in the face after your donation on TR games...

Valenka
12th Aug 2014, 16:39
As I states on my website:

"This is a complete surprise to me, but I still have their backs. I trust that ultimately Crystal would make the appropriate decision with my beloved franchise. I also understand the frustration in the Tomb Raider community. I am fortunate in the regard of having an Xbox One, but I enjoy all platforms equally. It is still unclear as to "Rise" being an Xbox One TIMED exclusive, but that's what I'm leaning towards."

http://www.maxraider.com/2014/08/rise-of-tomb-raider-xbox-one-exclusive.html

My thoughts exactly. :thumb:

a_big_house
12th Aug 2014, 16:39
Just to reiterate what the long-term fans here think:
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ActionHero
12th Aug 2014, 16:40
Yes I agree. Xbox sucks :p!! I don't know why they decided to bring it only on xbox ( if they do so ) , but I don't think that they were trying to insult you and any other TR fan . My oppinion is that , if they actually make rottr an xbox exclusive , they simply don't care about the fans ! Not that they want to ''slap'' you in the face after your donation on TR games...

But it IS a slap in the face when you tell people who have supported your franchise for 18 years that, sorry, we don't care about you anymore, because Microsoft rubbed money on us and that's far more important than rewarding fans who stood by us.

It's like being married for 18 years & your spouse coming home one day and saying, "Sorry honey, I know you were hoping for another kid, but I got the neighbor pregnant instead. I still love you though, so feel free to keep the dog."

CroftManiac
12th Aug 2014, 16:42
Rebel? First of all, you don't know me. They already stated what they have planned. Buy tr definitive edition or wait for temple of osiris. Intentional or not, they did and I stand by my post.

Uhh... it was irony :p .... Of course I don't know you :rolleyes: ....
I don't care about temple of osiris , nor I am a xbox fan or something . As I posted and as I will continue posting : << You never know if they will make rottr multiplatform on future....>>

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 16:42
Just to reiterate what the long-term fans here think:
porojt_tr10-platform-poll.png

IT HUUUUUUURTSSSSS!!! :(

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CroftManiac
12th Aug 2014, 16:45
But it IS a slap in the face when you tell people who have supported your franchise for 18 years that, sorry, we don't care about you anymore, because Microsoft rubbed money on us and that's far more important than rewarding fans who stood by us.

It's like being married for 18 years & your spouse coming home one day and saying, "Sorry honey, I know you were hoping for another kid, but I got the neighbor pregnant instead. I still love you though, so feel free to keep the dog."
:lol: :lol: LOL that was funny ... ( I wouldn't keep the dog :p )
Yeah , I understand . It was a little abrupt... Who knows? They might regret it!!! :)

GoggleboxUK
12th Aug 2014, 16:46
MS have.a bad habit of this. I remember when they did the same ****ty thing with Oddworld which I was also a huge fan of.

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 16:47
<< You never know if they will make rottr multiplatform on future....>>

Future is a very vague term, tho.

Nhalx1
12th Aug 2014, 16:48
I am very disappointed with Crystal Dynamic actually going along with this.
I have backed a Collector Edition for PC and I bought the PS4 remastered edition for the first Tomb Raider Reboot, both at full retail price.

I am totally not interested in Temple of Osiris, I had high hopes to catch this game on PC or on PS4 but right now it seems to be the case that I will have to skip it completely.

I will not buy a Xbox one just for one game, and I'm very disappointed just as much as I can understand why this is business.

My disappointment will never change with this, it feels like they kicked me in my nuts.

CroftManiac
12th Aug 2014, 16:48
IT HUUUUUUURTSSSSS!!! :(

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PS4 and PC prevails!!!!!! :D That's something! ;) Xbox voters are just minorities!!
lol were did u find that image??

d1n0_xD
12th Aug 2014, 16:49
^ On tumblr xD

gracemillian
12th Aug 2014, 16:50
Good job guys, sound strategy. I was on the edge about picking up a copy on launch for the PC but now you've saved me from making that choice. I feel a little bad for AMD though with whom you guys developed TressFX...

CroftManiac
12th Aug 2014, 16:50
Future is a very vague term, tho.
.... How about near future? :)

MaxRaider
12th Aug 2014, 16:53
My thoughts exactly. :thumb:

Thank you Valenka. :flowers:

ActionHero
12th Aug 2014, 16:53
:lol: :lol: LOL that was funny ... ( I wouldn't keep the dog :p )
Yeah , I understand . It was a little abrupt... Who knows? They might regret it!!! :)

Oh, I'm sure they'll regret it. They just alienated 80% of their fanbase at launch. Who did they think bought the last game, the casual every day gamer? Because every casual every day gamer I know, I - the longterm fan - had to convince them to even give it a try. So, not only did you alienate the majority of your core fanbase, you've removed casual gamers from two different successful platforms from the equation as well.

This will go one of the following ways:

- They immediately notice that they've set off a nuclear bomb on their fans, beg forgiveness, and announce this is a timed exclusive for XBOX that will follow for other platforms in X months..

- They ignore us yet again, release it only for XBOX, XBOX fanboys buy it just because it's an exclusive, a few TR fans lucky enough to have a One buy it, and the occasional casual gamer stumbles upon it..

- It's a catastrophic failure and they use "female protagonists don't sell" as an excuse to cancel the franchise.