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mcescher1
19th Jul 2014, 01:15
I understand this is a Hitman 6 forum - but I think it could be good for everyone to know what other games each other is interested in and excited about

personally, im excited for a few games coming out soon

nhl 15 and madden 15... super excited for nhl and im a big fan of the nfl

i haven't bought an nhl game in forever but i recently have joined an ice hockey league and am really getting into the sport - plus a lot of people are excited about the new physics of nhl15

i've bought a lot of the maddens

i like sport games because they are fun to play online... trash talk a little bit and have some fun :)

i know there is a few others coming out soon, can't think of any right off the top of my head, anyone else have a game there are excited about coming out soon??

Itsrob
19th Jul 2014, 01:28
I'm only really looking forward to two games currently:

Star Wars Battlefront (hope it's not a FPS)
Hitman 6

AdrianShephard
19th Jul 2014, 03:10
Hitman 6
Red Dead Redemption 2
Deus Ex 4
Quantum Break
Halo TMCC/5
Gears of War 4 (awesome co-op game)
maybe Uncharted 4 (when more info comes out)
the next The Last of Us or similar game in the universe
The Witcher 3
Batman: Arkham Knight

mcescher1
19th Jul 2014, 03:30
i was mainly thinking about games that will be coming out this fall/winter

i haven't heard anything about the next deus ex. . .

also, the assassins creed looks like it will be good.. i have never bought or really even played assassins creed before cause i tried the first one and didn't like it - but the last one was pretty popular and this next one looks good

AdrianShephard
19th Jul 2014, 05:10
i was mainly thinking about games that will be coming out this fall/winter

i haven't heard anything about the next deus ex. . .

also, the assassins creed looks like it will be good.. i have never bought or really even played assassins creed before cause i tried the first one and didn't like it - but the last one was pretty popular and this next one looks good

This fall? Well there isn't much apart from Assassin's Creed and COD/Battlefield if you're in to that.

kewlak
19th Jul 2014, 10:10
also, the assassins creed looks like it will be good.. i have never bought or really even played assassins creed before cause i tried the first one and didn't like it - but the last one was pretty popular and this next one looks good
First assassin's creed was a bit boring, next titles was better. I'm looking forward Assassin's Creed Unity as well.

LeMoN_LiMe
19th Jul 2014, 21:44
FALLOUT 4

THAT IS ALL

Aybroe
20th Jul 2014, 10:53
The amount of my gaming has decreased drastically in the recent years. Some say it's because I'm getting older but I don't buy that ****, I say games have become more generic and worse. There were only a few games in the PS3-generation I really enjoyed. And since I can't afford a new PC/PS4 in a while I'm not really waiting for any upcoming games. If I had a PS4, I'd get NHL 15. That series has managed to hook me. Other than that, not waiting for anything.

I'll try to get a new PC or PS4 (preferrably PC) when Hitman 6 comes out.

AdrianShephard
20th Jul 2014, 20:54
No love for Xbox :)?

PC is the way to go for Hitman games. It's much less clunky then a controller.

FootFetish4Life
20th Jul 2014, 22:51
No love for Xbox :)?

PC is the way to go for Hitman games. It's much less clunky then a controller.

Don't you have to sit up at your desk on the PC. The thing about the controller is no matter the setup you can play and relax from your couch, as opposed to being jerked up in a computer chair. The mouse has the advantage of better aiming (which can be a negative or a positive, depending on a few factors), but I would much rather play Hitman from the laxed comfort of my couch than from the hoisted position of the computer desk.

AdrianShephard
20th Jul 2014, 23:26
Don't you have to sit up at your desk on the PC. The thing about the controller is no matter the setup you can play and relax from your couch, as opposed to being jerked up in a computer chair. The mouse has the advantage of better aiming (which can be a negative or a positive, depending on a few factors), but I would much rather play Hitman from the laxed comfort of my couch than from the hoisted position of the computer desk.

Computer gaming, for me, is hard on my back but that could be because I don't have a good chair. That's also why I don't have a desktop (for gaming). I do most of my PC gaming on a capable laptop. That being said, I mostly play AAA games on my console and leave the older less popular/demanding games for my laptop. Some games just scream to be played on PC though.

I think Hitman is one of those games. I hated Blood Money controls on the controller and found much less fluid than a KB+M. Absolution was actually pretty nice with a controller but I don't know how IO will use the controller with all the extra features we want (sniper cases, close doors, etc.). I liked the list of options of what action to take that was in the original games.

FootFetish4Life
20th Jul 2014, 23:49
Computer gaming, for me, is hard on my back but that could be because I don't have a good chair. That's also why I don't have a desktop (for gaming). I do most of my PC gaming on a capable laptop. That being said, I mostly play AAA games on my console and leave the older less popular/demanding games for my laptop. Some games just scream to be played on PC though.

I think Hitman is one of those games. I hated Blood Money controls on the controller and found much less fluid than a KB+M. Absolution was actually pretty nice with a controller but I don't know how IO will use the controller with all the extra features we want (sniper cases, close doors, etc.). I liked the list of options of what action to take that was in the original games.

This is where Metal Gear Solid is King. Every single button is juiced to it's full potential. Every button has a number of actions, depending on how it's pressed, or how long, or how often.

I agree that PC gaming is the ultimate platform for graphics, especially if you have a little money to spend for a nice display and a surround sound system. As for controller vs KB+M, both have their pros and cons. But I just can't imagine having a long session in a computer chair. If I ever buy a gaming rig I'm afraid I'll be using the XBOX controller, unless I can use the KB+M from my couch.

AdrianShephard
20th Jul 2014, 23:52
This is where Metal Gear Solid is King. Every single button is juiced to it's full potential. Every button has a number of actions, depending on how it's pressed, or how long, or how often.

I agree that PC gaming is the ultimate platform for graphics, especially if you have a little money to spend for a nice display and a surround sound system. As for controller vs KB+M, both have their pros and cons. But I just can't imagine having a long session in a computer chair. If I ever buy a gaming rig I'm afraid I'll be using the XBOX controller, unless I can use the KB+M from my couch.

What's wrong with an Xbox controller? I actually like the thumbstick positions better than the Playstation unless I'm playing a fighting game

gkkiller
21st Jul 2014, 04:48
What's wrong with an Xbox controller? I actually like the thumbstick positions better than the Playstation unless I'm playing a fighting game

I think he means he prefers KB+M over Xbox controller, not that he prefers Xbox controller over DualShock.

AdrianShephard
21st Jul 2014, 04:51
I think he means he prefers KB+M over Xbox controller, not that he prefers Xbox controller over DualShock.

I think you are right. Rereading it, it makes more sense that way.

mcescher1
21st Jul 2014, 05:11
fps = kb+m > controller

third person shooter/game = controller > kb+m

ps4 > xbox

sony > microsoft

AdrianShephard
21st Jul 2014, 05:49
ps4 > xbox

sony > microsoft

I'd have to disagree with that one. I play lots of multiplayer and I like the XBL community more than the PSN community. PS has, overall, better exclusives in the previous generation. I do most of my gaming on Xbox/PC but I always make sure to buy the PS for the exclusives.

I guess it also matters where you are from. Xbox traditionally more of a US/UK console while PS is the rest of the world.

Travis_IO
21st Jul 2014, 09:18
I've added 'off topic' to the start of this thread. Maybe we could convert it into an off-topic thread that covers anything non-Hitman related? Any suggestions for a title if we do that?

mcescher1
21st Jul 2014, 21:28
General Gaming / Gaming Discussions

mcescher1
23rd Jul 2014, 01:38
ea is releasing a video on their skill stick for nhl 15 tomorrow! yeeeaaa

https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNHL/status/491678101449867264

mcescher1
23rd Jul 2014, 16:05
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mcescher1
26th Jul 2014, 20:10
wow sooo... ive just gotten around to playing assassins creed IV... awesome!

i see a lot of qualities that we are looking for as hitman fans in this game! its has a big interactive environment, multiple game modes, the "instinct" mode is really just a tagger (a very nice compromise), collectables, weapon upgrades, somewhat challenging hand to hand combat, interaction, and mini games!

i was requesting mini games just a few days ago! so far i have played 3 strategy games i have never even heard of before that are F^n awesome! i have looked for interesting alternative strategy games for chess without luck! and i find them in assassins creed...

im wondering if hitman will ever be able to introduce a game like this, but a little darker and more adult in context... it would be a challenge cause' 47 isn't a sea captain but i would be curious to see what they could have him do :)

FootFetish4Life
26th Jul 2014, 20:26
wow sooo... ive just gotten around to playing assassins creed IV... awesome!

i see a lot of qualities that we are looking for as hitman fans in this game! its has a big interactive environment, multiple game modes, the "instinct" mode is really just a tagger (a very nice compromise), collectables, weapon upgrades, somewhat challenging hand to hand combat, interaction, and mini games!

i was requesting mini games just a few days ago! so far i have played 3 strategy games i have never even heard of before that are F^n awesome! i have looked for interesting alternative strategy games for chess without luck! and i find them in assassins creed...

im wondering if hitman will ever be able to introduce a game like this, but a little darker and more adult in context... it would be a challenge cause' 47 isn't a sea captain but i would be curious to see what they could have him do :)

You mean an open world Hitman. We already have a thread for that. Everyone thought it was a stupid idea.

AdrianShephard
26th Jul 2014, 21:12
Mini games are suitable for the open-world genre because te players usually find themselves with nothing to do when they beat the game. Hitman is in its own category; the missions are focused and have a structure not present in open world games. Anyway, I wouldn't think mini games would fit in a Hitman game. You can think of the rating system as a mini game; get Silent Assassin and you win!!

FootFetish4Life
26th Jul 2014, 21:41
Mini games are suitable for the open-world genre because te players usually find themselves with nothing to do when they beat the game. Hitman is in its own category; the missions are focused and have a structure not present in open world games. Anyway, I wouldn't think mini games would fit in a Hitman game. You can think of the rating system as a mini game; get Silent Assassin and you win!!

I agree.

Just picture 47 racing around in Go Karts for XP. :rolleyes:

mcescher1
26th Jul 2014, 23:31
Mini games are suitable for the open-world genre because te players usually find themselves with nothing to do when they beat the game. Hitman is in its own category; the missions are focused and have a structure not present in open world games. Anyway, I wouldn't think mini games would fit in a Hitman game. You can think of the rating system as a mini game; get Silent Assassin and you win!!

well we are supposed to be seeing sandbox levels from the next hitman... if he has a "home base" you are one step away from being open world. i don't think it would be impossible to see a traveling hitman... maybe he has to find alternate ways out of a country because his trail is hot and security has his picture posted up in airports. idk that wasn't really what i was getting at with the earlier posts but what i mean mini games is just a few little things thrown into levels to add entertainment... i wouldn't mind being able to play chess or poker at a few random spots throughout the game... maybe winning a few games unlocks certain things.. i would imagine hitman would be good at these 2 games in particular.. hes a master of strategy and he has a very good poker face :cool: i'm hoping we will see another shooting range type thing - that was like a mini game inside a level :) i wouldn't think they would be necessary just a little add to the game to add a little diversity - the rating system isn't a mini game.. its a badge or a trophy.. but i can see what you mean... there could be added unlockables for completing different ratings

i really just wanted to point out how much i like assassins creed IV, since this is an off topic thread... was curious how many other hitman fans really liked that game.... more than absolution too!

it had a lot of re-playability and had a lot of components i would like to see in the upcoming hitman - everyones opinions are welcomed.. except for spermio / agent68.5

FootFetish4Life
27th Jul 2014, 01:03
well we are supposed to be seeing sandbox levels from the next hitman... if he has a "home base" you are one step away from being open world. i don't think it would be impossible to see a traveling hitman... maybe he has to find alternate ways out of a country because his trail is hot and security has his picture posted up in airports. idk that wasn't really what i was getting at with the earlier posts but what i mean mini games is just a few little things thrown into levels to add entertainment... i wouldn't mind being able to play chess or poker at a few random spots throughout the game... maybe winning a few games unlocks certain things.. i would imagine hitman would be good at these 2 games in particular.. hes a master of strategy and he has a very good poker face :cool: i'm hoping we will see another shooting range type thing - that was like a mini game inside a level :) i wouldn't think they would be necessary just a little add to the game to add a little diversity - the rating system isn't a mini game.. its a badge or a trophy.. but i can see what you mean... there could be added unlockables for completing different ratings

i really just wanted to point out how much i like assassins creed IV, since this is an off topic thread... was curious how many other hitman fans really liked that game.... more than absolution too!

it had a lot of re-playability and had a lot of components i would like to see in the upcoming hitman - everyones opinions are welcomed.. except for spermio / agent68.5

Sandbox levels and open world game are 2 very different things. Also, it breaks my heart that you don't like my posts. 😂 I could care less one way or the other.

AdrianShephard
27th Jul 2014, 02:37
everyones opinions are welcomed.. except for spermio / agent68.5

:lmao:


I could care less one way or the other.

The correct phrase is "I couldn't care less". "I could care less" doesn't make sense because that is saying there is a 'level of care' that is below what you currently are feeling. The correct phrase means you are at the least level of care. Hope that clears that up.

I guess there could be a little hacking mini-game or a safe-crack mini-game like in Splinter Cell or Sleeping Dogs. There definitely shouldn't be a lockpicking mini game, though.

The only problem with these types of mini-games is that they might get repetitive.

I'm all for a secret chess/casino mini game or something like that. Something unique that can't be found everywhere and isn't really obvious.

And sandbox levels just means non-linear Absolution type levels. All Hitman games before Absolution featured sandbox level design with Blood Money being the best example ('accidents' were the best thing to happen to the series).

mcescher1
27th Jul 2014, 02:39
Sandbox levels and open world game are 2 very different things. Also, it breaks my heart that you don't like my posts. 😂 I could care less one way or the other.

:nut:

mcescher1
27th Jul 2014, 02:41
:lmao:



The correct phrase is "I couldn't care less". "I could care less" doesn't make sense because that is saying there is a 'level of care' that is below what you currently are feeling. The correct phrase means you are at the least level of care. Hope that clears that up.

I guess there could be a little hacking mini-game or a safe-crack mini-game like in Splinter Cell or Sleeping Dogs. There definitely shouldn't be a lockpicking mini game, though.

The only problem with these types of mini-games is that they might get repetitive.

I'm all for a secret chess/casino mini game or something like that. Something unique that can't be found everywhere and isn't really obvious.

And sandbox levels just means non-linear Absolution type levels. All Hitman games before Absolution featured sandbox level design with Blood Money being the best example ('accidents' were the best thing to happen to the series).

youre ma'boy shephard :cool: hahaaa

AdrianShephard
27th Jul 2014, 02:48
Agent 68.5 :D

That's a good one

FootFetish4Life
27th Jul 2014, 05:09
Sandbox levels and open world game are 2 very different things. Also, it breaks my heart that you don't like my posts. 😂 I could care less one way or the other.


:nut:

It's okay. Sit down. Drink a glass of milk. Everything will be all right. If you're still confused you're boyfriend Shephard explained it as well.

FootFetish4Life
27th Jul 2014, 05:13
The correct phrase is "I couldn't care less". "I could care less" doesn't make sense because that is saying there is a 'level of care' that is below what you currently are feeling. The correct phrase means you are at the least level of care. Hope that clears that up.

You honestly believe I didn't already know that. I use that phrase because most people are too idiotic to know the difference and because it's easier to type. As clearly evident by mcesher1's primitive response of joy. That guy would never have corrected me on that in a million years. It took a Star Wars geek to finally correct me.

Anyway, I'll leave you 2 lover birds be while the night is still young.:p:naughty::worship: :flowers:

AdrianShephard
27th Jul 2014, 05:33
You honestly believe I didn't already know that. I use that phrase because most people are too idiotic to know the difference and because it's easier to type. As clearly evident by mcesher1's primitive response of joy. That guy would never have corrected me on that in a million years. It took a Star Wars geek to finally correct me.

Anyway, I'll leave you 2 lover birds be while the night is still young.:p:naughty::worship: :flowers:

You are right about how most people don't know the difference between the two phrases -- including you. Not adding 3 more characters to make something right doesn't even qualify under laziness.

And Star Wars geek? Seriously? If you read my signature, you'd have an idea. But I shouldn't assume you've played Half-Life. After all, the first game didn't come to consoles so that's a tall order.

Word of advice: use Google before you look like an idiot. For both the phrase and jumping to the conclusion that my name is from the Star Wars universe.

FootFetish4Life
27th Jul 2014, 06:02
You are right about how most people don't know the difference between the two phrases -- including you. Not adding 3 more characters to make something right doesn't even qualify under laziness.

Actually, you're contradicting yourself there. Either you believe me or you don't. And what does that say about your boyfriend mcescher1 and every other user on this forum, as you and I have the best grammar here.


And Star Wars geek? Seriously? If you read my signature, you'd have an idea. But I shouldn't assume you've played Half-Life. After all, the first game didn't come to consoles so that's a tall order.

Blame that on the small avatars this forum insists on using. From where I sit your avatar looks like Darth Vader. That's why I thought you were a Star Wars geek. Either way, it doesn't make much difference.

mcescher1
27th Jul 2014, 06:24
wow now he is dissing the forum,

im sorry sergio, but you are a complete troll - everytime we try to have a nice discussion about something you turn it into some weird debate about something completely off topic... you should really respect the ban that the admins gave you and keep your mouth shut for 3 months.. there is a reason why they banned you... you need to take a chill pill and quit starting crap with every person on here - you are not fooling anyone... you are just pi$$ing people off

gkkiller
27th Jul 2014, 06:36
wow now he is dissing the forum,

im sorry sergio, but you are a complete troll - everytime we try to have a nice discussion about something you turn it into some weird debate about something completely off topic... you should really respect the ban that the admins gave you and keep your mouth shut for 3 months.. there is a reason why they banned you... you need to take a chill pill and quit starting crap with every person on here - you are not fooling anyone... you are just pi$$ing people off

I hate to interrupt your lovely discussion, but I think this is the point where a mod should step in. Any takers?

Quick aside btw: mcescher, why do you insist on calling Agent_69 'sergio'? You have no proof that he is the same person as the guy who got banned, apart from 'they talk about similar things' and 'they joined at the same time'. It seems to me as though you're clutching at straws and trying to get a rise out of him, which, really, is not very nice. If you really want to interrogate him about his identity, take it to PMs and don't derail every single thread the two of you post in.

In the interests of steering this thread back on topic, Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag is a very good game, but I don't believe that it's something Hitman should try to be. Both may be social stealth, but one is about blending with the crowd, sneaking up on Templars, and stabbing them in the face, while the other is about using disguises to trick NPCs, gain access to restricted areas, and silently eliminating your targets. AC4's Eagle Vision is pretty good though, although it's stopped from being overpowered only because 1) it can't see through walls and 2) you can't use it while you're free-running, and you're free-running almost all the time.

FootFetish4Life
27th Jul 2014, 06:53
wow now he is dissing the forum,

im sorry sergio, but you are a complete troll - everytime we try to have a nice discussion about something you turn it into some weird debate about something completely off topic... you should really respect the ban that the admins gave you and keep your mouth shut for 3 months.. there is a reason why they banned you... you need to take a chill pill and quit starting crap with every person on here - you are not fooling anyone... you are just pi$$ing people off

lol! You read as bad as you type. I never insulted the forum. Your significant other, Shephard, called me lazy for not using proper grammar, air-go, he was insulting you and just about everyone else.

You sound like a BAD MAN telling me to keep my mouth shut on the internet. Don't pretend that you weren't being a prick yourself when you dug up an old thread about crime scene clean up and made an obnoxious remark to me and another user. And as someone else just put it, stop calling me Sergio. My name is Agent_69 for a reason. You have no idea who I am or where I'm at.

AdrianShephard
27th Jul 2014, 07:00
I stopped playing Assassin's Creed after Brotherhood. Maybe I'll try IV. Is the combat any different from, say, AC 2?

Oh and Agent 69, in English writing there is something called "qualifying an argument/statement". It basically means you are making the statement/assertion less generalized or you are interpreting it differently.

For example:

If you say: "Most Americans need to exercise more."

A formal qualifying response would be: "According to the latest government figures, most Americans are overweight; however, strenuous exercise is not appropriate for those with certain health conditions."

I'm not fully agreeing or fully disagreeing with you. I'm somewhere in the middle. So, in fact, I did not contradict myself. I'm simply agreeing with the first part of your assertion and disregarding the last bit. You'll learn more about this if/when you take AP/IB English (assuming you are in America).

AdrianShephard
27th Jul 2014, 07:08
I'm currently playing through Contracts again and I must say, I'm liking it a lot! The disguise system doesn't seem as tough Silent Assassin, but definitely not as easy as BM. I'll have to play through SA again but I think Contracts has my new favorite disguise system.

mcescher1
27th Jul 2014, 07:11
lol! You read as bad as you type. I never insulted the forum. Your significant other, Shephard, called me lazy for not using proper grammar, air-go, he was insulting you and just about everyone else.

You sound like a BAD MAN telling me to keep my mouth shut on the internet. Don't pretend that you weren't being a prick yourself when you dug up an old thread about crime scene clean up and made an obnoxious remark to me and another user. And as someone else just put it, stop calling me Sergio. My name is Agent_69 for a reason. You have no idea who I am or where I'm at.

it says you are located in "Uranus", I am willing to bet that you are up someones anus for sure.

also... i never made an obnoxious remark to "Agent_69" about crime scene cleanup... i do remember, however, a thread about crime scene cleanup with a user named "sergio"... hmmmmmmm... way to try and not give yourself away and yet completely give yourself away in the same post. you are a genius... someone hand this guy an award. special olympics maybe? participation award? thanks for trying certificate?

back to assassins creed..

i haven't played any of the other ones.. just IV.. it is really good tho' im having a blast with it.. for sure recommend it

AdrianShephard
27th Jul 2014, 07:12
Okay no more snide remarks. No one needs to get banned (again).

FootFetish4Life
27th Jul 2014, 07:15
Oh and Agent 69, in English writing there is something called "qualifying an argument/statement". It basically means you are making the statement/assertion less generalized or you are interpreting it differently.

For example:

If you say: "Most Americans need to exercise more."

A formal qualifying response would be: "According to the latest government figures, most Americans are overweight; however, strenuous exercise is not appropriate for those with certain health conditions."

I'm not fully agreeing or fully disagreeing with you. I'm somewhere in the middle. So, in fact, I did not contradict myself. I'm simply agreeing with the first part of your assertion and disregarding the last bit. You'll learn more about this if/when you take AP/IB English (assuming you are in America).

What the hell does that have to do with anything? First you called me a liar, then you validated my comment by calling me worse than lazy. It doesn't require PhD to explain something so basic.

FootFetish4Life
27th Jul 2014, 07:17
it says you are located in "Uranus", I am willing to bet that you are up someones anus for sure.

Your mother's.

AdrianShephard
27th Jul 2014, 07:25
What the hell does that have to do with anything? First you called me a liar, then you validated my comment by calling me worse than lazy. It doesn't require PhD to explain something so basic.

*sigh*

Reread very carefully. Then when you think you've got it, reread again.

Never called you a liar. Just implied that I didn't believe you.

Never said you are worse than lazy. You mentioned that it's easier to omit the 3 characters than to make the phrase right...which implies some form laziness. I said that omitting 3 characters doesn't even qualify as laziness...again implying that the root cause isn't laziness.

The reason why I brought "qualifying" up is because you said I contradicted myself. Go back to the previous post to learn more.

I'm not replying to you in this thread again if it's going to get personal (which it is starting to become). This is between you, mcescher1, and the eventual mod that will ban one, both, or if the mod is feeling particularly grumpy, all 3 of us.

FootFetish4Life
27th Jul 2014, 07:38
Never called you a liar. Just implied that I didn't believe you.

Okay, college boy. Look up the term figurative speech.


I'm not replying to you in this thread again if it's going to get personal (which it is starting to become). This is between you, mcescher1, and the eventual mod that will ban one, both, or if the mod is feeling particularly grumpy, all 3 of us.

You mean it hasn't become personal yet?

Whatever! This is enough BS for one night.

RoboCop
27th Jul 2014, 07:47
:lol:

Saying someone called you a liar isnt figurative speech :D

anyway

AC4 is pretty fun. Cant wait for Unity w/ 4 player coop

mcescher1
27th Jul 2014, 15:33
lol! You read as bad as you type. I never insulted the forum. Your significant other, Shephard, called me lazy for not using proper grammar, air-go, he was insulting you and just about everyone else.

You sound like a BAD MAN telling me to keep my mouth shut on the internet. Don't pretend that you weren't being a prick yourself when you dug up an old thread about crime scene clean up and made an obnoxious remark to me and another user. And as someone else just put it, stop calling me Sergio. My name is Agent_69 for a reason. You have no idea who I am or where I'm at.

http://i.imgur.com/HoQPCSs.png

kewlak
27th Jul 2014, 22:44
Lol you guys are so funny. Sergio or not Sergio... you certainly are as cocksure and touched as he was :D
And mcescher1 is master of replies here :D:D

gkkiller
28th Jul 2014, 05:04
Seriously, guys. Why can't we just go back to talking about Assassins' Creed? -_- You've beaten the horse to a pulp, please stop before you roast it for breakfast.


I stopped playing Assassin's Creed after Brotherhood. Maybe I'll try IV. Is the combat any different from, say, AC 2?

IV changed up the combat quite a bit, actually. The gunplay is improved a lot and the combat just seems to flow better.


I'm currently playing through Contracts again and I must say, I'm liking it a lot! The disguise system doesn't seem as tough Silent Assassin, but definitely not as easy as BM. I'll have to play through SA again but I think Contracts has my new favorite disguise system.

I just finished SA and I'm close to finishing Contracts (on the mission after Slaying a Dragon), playing both for the first time. I found Contracts far easier than SA for two reasons
1) guards are less paranoid
2) AI doesn't glitch out very often in Contracts*
* Granted, it doesn't glitch out much in SA either. It's just weird as hell in At the Gates, Hidden Valley and Temple City Ambush.

My favourite missions from SA have to be Terminal Hospitality, The Jacuzzi Job, The Graveyard Shift, Invitation to a Party, and Tracking Hayamoto in that order. For Contracts, Beldingford Manor, Traditions of the Trade, and Deadly Cargo were the awesome ones.

Aybroe
28th Jul 2014, 09:44
I just finished SA and I'm close to finishing Contracts (on the mission after Slaying a Dragon), playing both for the first time. I found Contracts far easier than SA for two reasons
1) guards are less paranoid
2) AI doesn't glitch out very often in Contracts*
* Granted, it doesn't glitch out much in SA either. It's just weird as hell in At the Gates, Hidden Valley and Temple City Ambush.

My favourite missions from SA have to be Terminal Hospitality, The Jacuzzi Job, The Graveyard Shift, Invitation to a Party, and Tracking Hayamoto in that order. For Contracts, Beldingford Manor, Traditions of the Trade, and Deadly Cargo were the awesome ones.

AI glitches all the time in SA. It's hilarious. Contracts is "easier" because it allows a bit more time when near a guard without your cover being blown. Just not too much, like in Blood Money, where they don't realize a damn thing. I like the system in Contracts and hope to see something similar in Hitman 6.

Your favourite missions are great. In SA I'd add Death of Hannelore, Basement Killing and Anathema. Damn it's a great game. And you have yet to experience Lee Hong Assassination in Contracts :)

gkkiller
28th Jul 2014, 10:52
AI glitches all the time in SA. It's hilarious. Contracts is "easier" because it allows a bit more time when near a guard without your cover being blown. Just not too much, like in Blood Money, where they don't realize a damn thing. I like the system in Contracts and hope to see something similar in Hitman 6.

Your favourite missions are great. In SA I'd add Death of Hannelore, Basement Killing and Anathema. Damn it's a great game. And you have yet to experience Lee Hong Assassination in Contracts :)

Agreed, Contracts' disguise system is perfect. Anathema was a nice opening mission, but it led up to the Russia missions, which I felt were even better. Plus, the setting was a bit lacklustre. Basement Killing and Death of Hannelore are great, though, and Temple City Ambush, while it was very buggy and involved roaming through constricted streets, was a nice mission as well.

Driber
28th Jul 2014, 11:34
Infractions handed out to everyone involved in yesterday's flaming fest, and bans handed out to those who took it too far.

Keep it on topic now.

kewlak
28th Jul 2014, 12:26
I hated AI in Silent Assassin. It was simply too smart. Guards could even hear your footsteps throughout walls and ceiling... in other cases they could hear your picking lock from 100 meters. Contracts had much more realistic AI, it was even better game than Silent Assassin... i still can't understand why most of fans thinks H2 is better than Contracts. I mean H2 has wonderful music and good plot, but this religious character and 47 crossing himself in one moment... i think it didn't fit to series.

AdrianShephard
28th Jul 2014, 15:47
I just finished SA and I'm close to finishing Contracts (on the mission after Slaying a Dragon), playing both for the first time. I found Contracts far easier than SA for two reasons
1) guards are less paranoid
2) AI doesn't glitch out very often in Contracts*
* Granted, it doesn't glitch out much in SA either. It's just weird as hell in At the Gates, Hidden Valley and Temple City Ambush.


The Japanese missions (Hidden Valley especially) were plain awful. The only mission in the the Hitman series where I didn't even attempt to get SA rating.


I hated AI in Silent Assassin. It was simply too smart. Guards could even hear your footsteps throughout walls and ceiling... in other cases they could hear your picking lock from 100 meters. Contracts had much more realistic AI, it was even better game than Silent Assassin... i still can't understand why most of fans thinks H2 is better than Contracts. I mean H2 has wonderful music and good plot, but this religious character and 47 crossing himself in one moment... i think it didn't fit to series.

Playing more through Contracts, I'm finding the disguise system to be a little too easy. Definitely much better than BM but still a little cheap. You can flat out run in front of most guards and nothing will happen; moreover, it seems the baddies in Contracts are deaf as they hear your footsteps and turn around until you are 2-3 meters away. I still wouldn't complain if this system went to Hitman 6 but I'm liking H2's better. The problem with H2's, as you said, is that the guards are very paranoid but that isn't the disguise system's fault, it's the AI's. If IO somehow blends H2 disguise system with Contracts' AI, we've got a winner for sure.

As for why most fans like H2 compared to Contracts, well, I bet it's partly because Contracts feels more like an expansion than a standalone game. The visuals are almost identical to H2 and the game is pretty glitchy/crashes a lot (I have the disk version and the dang patch from Eidos isn't downloading!!). Contracts was also very short and most missions weren't new. If you've played the Hitman games in order (first playthroughs), you will truly appreciate H2; the game improved on C:47 in every possible way and gave us a damn good soundtrack to boot. C:47 is riddled with AI bugs and glitches -- you would often have to replay a mission 5 times because someone shot you randomly. Then Contracts comes along and gives us pretty much more of the same, only playing more on the dark nature of Hitman that we saw in C:47. Contracts is basically a remake of C:47 and serves to introduce Hitman to the general crowd better than the other games. Most players nowadays don't want to waste their time with C:47 as it's hard to run on modern computers so they opt for Contracts instead.

To me, H2 is much more memorable. Some of those memories are because the game is notoriously hard to get SA on all missions (Redemption one is a toughy). But H2 hard isn't impossible, it just take multiple tries which extends re-playability.

I judge the difficulty of a Hitman game by how hard it is to get SA rating on one complete playthrough (no replaying missions). Going through Contracts again (and it's been many many years since I've played it before my recent re-visitation with the game), I can get SA no problem on my first try. I've had more trouble getting SA in BM than this game, believe it or not.


And you have yet to experience Lee Hong Assassination in Contracts :)

Those Hong Kong missions feel out of place in Contracts. Lee Hong Assassination, fine, since it was a very replayable and exciting mission in C:47. But all 4 missions without a cutscene of 47 back in the hotel? I dunno.

I would've preferred seeing the Pablo Ochoa (Say Hello to my Little Friend) assassination instead of one of the Hong Kong ones. The jungle missions are weirdly missing from Contracts as they redo almost every locale but that one. Lots of people hate them but that is because the AI is very glitchy.

Aybroe
28th Jul 2014, 19:56
The Japanese missions (Hidden Valley especially) were plain awful. The only mission in the the Hitman series where I didn't even attempt to get SA rating.

Agreed. At the Gates and especially Hidden Valley are awful levels. YAMEE YAMEE



To me, H2 is much more memorable. Some of those memories are because the game is notoriously hard to get SA on all missions (Redemption one is a toughy). But H2 hard isn't impossible, it just take multiple tries which extends re-playability.

Well, you don't actually get ranked in Redemption at Gontranno if I recall correctly. After all, everyone is a target so no witnesses there. I also prefer H2 over Contracts because Contracts is, after all, "only a remake". I also think that the levels it borrowed from C47 weren't as good as the original. Especially ToTT and Lee Hong, even though I still love the Contracts versions. Only Deadly Cargo and Rendezvous are a massive improvement over the C47 Rotterdam levels, which I hate.



Those Hong Kong missions feel out of place in Contracts. Lee Hong Assassination, fine, since it was a very replayable and exciting mission in C:47. But all 4 missions without a cutscene of 47 back in the hotel? I dunno.

I would've preferred seeing the Pablo Ochoa (Say Hello to my Little Friend) assassination instead of one of the Hong Kong ones. The jungle missions are weirdly missing from Contracts as they redo almost every locale but that one. Lots of people hate them but that is because the AI is very glitchy.

Out of place? He's having flashbacks. Yeah the story isn't great, but it has never been a problem for me. I'm all about the hits and that's all that matters. Although I'm not sure if it was necessary to include all four of them. Lee Hong and Seafood would've sufficed in my eyes, but the game was rushed and they had to get something into it.

I hate the jungle missions. Not because of AI though, but because they're too big and empty. Just running around in a jungle. No planning what so ever required in that. I agree that I also would've preferred Say Hello 2.0 over Slaying the Dragon or Wang Fou, but definitely not over Lee Hong Assassination. That one is one of my all time favourites.

AdrianShephard
28th Jul 2014, 20:06
Although I'm not sure if it was necessary to include all four of them. Lee Hong and Seafood would've sufficed in my eyes, but the game was rushed and they had to get something into it....I agree that I also would've preferred Say Hello 2.0 over Slaying the Dragon or Wang Fou, but definitely not over Lee Hong Assassination. That one is one of my all time favourites.

Well that's what I was trying to get at...that 4 Hong Kong missions were a little too much. Lee Hong is definitely my favorite mission in C:47 and probably the entire series. Ah...so much nostalgia in the mission: 7 year old me mowing down everybody using the ~infammo and ~god 1 cheats (I still didn't understand Hitman).

And the only word I know in Japanese (if it's even that) is "YAMEE!!!!".

I'm getting the chills just thinking about Hidden Valley.

And I could've sworn that you do get a rating on the mission. I remember spending countless hours trying to be sneaky and pick off everyone 1-by-1. It's time for another replay of H2.

kewlak
28th Jul 2014, 21:10
And I could've sworn that you do get a rating on the mission. I remember spending countless hours trying to be sneaky and pick off everyone 1-by-1. It's time for another replay of H2.
There wasn't ranking in this one. I'm 100% sure. It was total massacre mission :)

AdrianShephard
28th Jul 2014, 21:15
There wasn't ranking in this one. I'm 100% sure. It was total massacre mission :)

Well, damn. I must've played all that time for nothing.

Great mission BTW. Excellent way to finish a masterpiece of a game.

gkkiller
29th Jul 2014, 07:23
Having played it just yesterday, I can confirm that you don't get a rank on Redemption at Gontranno.


Contracts is basically a remake of C:47 and serves to introduce Hitman to the general crowd better than the other games. Most players nowadays don't want to waste their time with C:47 as it's hard to run on modern computers so they opt for Contracts instead.

This is why I decided to play Contracts and SA simultaneously, seeing as there's no real connection between the stories. I tried playing Codename 47 and ... let me list my issues.

Took ages to install.
Crashed when I ran it the first few times.
Had to use ini tweaks to make it run properly.
Couldn't get it to run at anything higher than 640x480. Not even 800x600.
Couldn't bind controls properly. I put action on Space and still had to use RMB to perform actions.

That last one just about killed it for me. I ragequit after hours of trying to get it to work properly and uninstalled it.

On the other hand, Thief Gold, which is at least two years older, installed perfectly. Even if it wouldn't, there's a fantastic community with tons of fan patches and mods to make it work.

(IO, take a hint.)

AdrianShephard
29th Jul 2014, 08:52
Having played it just yesterday, I can confirm that you don't get a rank on Redemption at Gontranno.



This is why I decided to play Contracts and SA simultaneously, seeing as there's no real connection between the stories. I tried playing Codename 47 and ... let me list my issues.

Took ages to install.
Crashed when I ran it the first few times.
Had to use ini tweaks to make it run properly.
Couldn't get it to run at anything higher than 640x480. Not even 800x600.
Couldn't bind controls properly. I put action on Space and still had to use RMB to perform actions.

That last one just about killed it for me. I ragequit after hours of trying to get it to work properly and uninstalled it.

On the other hand, Thief Gold, which is at least two years older, installed perfectly. Even if it wouldn't, there's a fantastic community with tons of fan patches and mods to make it work.

(IO, take a hint.)

Thief is in a class of its own (TMA is my favorite one); very very good games (the originals). Less than optimal reboot but hey, mistakes have to be made for progress I guess.

That sucks that you can't run C:47 at higher resolution. Do you have the steam version? Almost certain that I didn't run it at that low of one (I had the disk version). I would try it out again but my idiot self gave it away to a friend when I got H2 years ago (also gave him Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2...aargh!)

What do you map the RMB as? I've always used that as "action" in Hitman games but that's probably because I was used to it after being forced in C:47. It makes sense too as it's one of the most used buttons and it initates a menu tat you can scroll with the wheel.

A real shame since it's a very good game aside from the obvious glitches. Jesper Kyd also did an awesome job with the electronic soundtrack; definitely my second favorite OST after H2.

kewlak
29th Jul 2014, 12:43
I tried playing Codename 47 and ... let me list my issues.

Took ages to install.
Crashed when I ran it the first few times.
Had to use ini tweaks to make it run properly.
Couldn't get it to run at anything higher than 640x480. Not even 800x600.
Couldn't bind controls properly. I put action on Space and still had to use RMB to perform actions.

That last one just about killed it for me. I ragequit after hours of trying to get it to work properly and uninstalled it.
That's strange. Have you got original game? Some time ago i've installed C47 too, and the only problem i had was too high FPS (game was veeeery fast). Later i've bought Hitman quadrilogy, and everything was ok.

EDIT:

...But i had some problems with H2 from that quadrilogy. After beating 10 first missions at first approach with Silent Assassin rating, my saves and control settings have disappeared -.-
I think that might be some problems with .ini file indeed

gkkiller
30th Jul 2014, 04:39
Thief is in a class of its own (TMA is my favorite one); very very good games (the originals). Less than optimal reboot but hey, mistakes have to be made for progress I guess.

I only ever played Gold completely. For some reason, the second one felt soulless, y'know what I mean? Too much metal and machinery. I liked the eerie atmosphere and monsters of Thief Gold. And Deadly Shadows was a travesty, no other word for it. Couldn't be bothered to play past the first mission (the one right after the tutorial).


What do you map the RMB as? I've always used that as "action" in Hitman games but that's probably because I was used to it after being forced in C:47. It makes sense too as it's one of the most used buttons and it initates a menu tat you can scroll with the wheel.

I use a mix of Blood Money style and Splinter Cell key binds.
LMB - fire
RMB - inventory
Fourth and fifth mouse buttons - reload and holster
Space - Action
C - sneak (the one you don't have to hold)
Ctrl - crouch (the one you do have to hold)


That's strange. Have you got original game? Some time ago i've installed C47 too, and the only problem i had was too high FPS (game was veeeery fast).

A friend of mine had it and gave it to me. I'm pretty sure it's a cracked/pirated version, so that could be the problem.

AdrianShephard
30th Jul 2014, 06:29
I only ever played Gold completely. For some reason, the second one felt soulless, y'know what I mean? Too much metal and machinery. I liked the eerie atmosphere and monsters of Thief Gold. And Deadly Shadows was a travesty, no other word for it. Couldn't be bothered to play past the first mission (the one right after the tutorial).

Ha if you thought Deadly Shadows was a travesty, don't touch the new one.

I liked that aspect of all machinery in TMA, it gave the world such a unique feel. I liked the story a bit better as well and for some reason I hated the monsters in Gold.

I also love the horror type stuff in TMA with the ghosts that attack you and freaky undead zombies. Also the mech bots scare the **** out of me (especially the spider ones in the last mission). Maybe that's why I liked TMA better, because it was darker/scarier.

Ooo ooo I almost forgot the freaking monkeys that speak English and chase you down relentlessly. Also those damn trees that are alive and chase you around. Seriously. That is my scariest moment of gaming. I'm standing still staring at a tree and I see the branches moving a bit. My brother is like "is that thing moving?" to which I reply "no it can't be". I turn around and walk a bit then all of the sudden I hear thumping, turn around, and I realize I'm being chased by a tree. A TREE.

Ahh man I miss the old Thief. Definitely on my top 10 all time list.

But I guess it's not for everyone.

For those not familiar with the scariest monsters of gaming:

Tree Beasts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6oksHXolY4
Haunts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXe5cXtZ5KU
Freaky Combat Bot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGHjDUfGP9o&index=3&list=PL6yc8kG9E0va-IEKxtxmr3Gfi7cjaNrsJ
Scary Apes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efWYAXXR9HU&index=7&list=PL6yc8kG9E0va-IEKxtxmr3Gfi7cjaNrsJ

FootFetish4Life
4th Oct 2014, 03:12
wow sooo... ive just gotten around to playing assassins creed IV... awesome!

i see a lot of qualities that we are looking for as hitman fans in this game! its has a big interactive environment, multiple game modes, the "instinct" mode is really just a tagger (a very nice compromise), collectables, weapon upgrades, somewhat challenging hand to hand combat, interaction, and mini games!

i was requesting mini games just a few days ago! so far i have played 3 strategy games i have never even heard of before that are F^n awesome! i have looked for interesting alternative strategy games for chess without luck! and i find them in assassins creed...

im wondering if hitman will ever be able to introduce a game like this, but a little darker and more adult in context... it would be a challenge cause' 47 isn't a sea captain but i would be curious to see what they could have him do :)

mcescher1, my arch nemesis. Assassin's Creed IV is a good game. Possibly the smartest thing you've ever said. The Instinct feature is more fun than anything a map could ever have provided, you're not wrong about that. The combat system is more fluid also and gameplay is less about pressing the right button and more about strategy, the first time ever in an AC game, as far as I know. While, you still can't manipulate the ambience to kill a target or save the game at will (where Hitman excels), Ubisoft did a really great job with this game, I have to admit.

Arhops
7th Oct 2014, 22:48
The new Smash Bros. did just come out for 3DS but its not out for WiiU yet so I guess its still an upcoming game? Anyways yeah I'm excited to see professionals fight in HD through this game. :worship: