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MissBrandy
29th Oct 2013, 15:41
I just wanted a new thread when we can discuss about how Lara can look in the sequel. (hope there's no problem :o)

I'm wondering about scars, face, hair ...
TressFX looks well and I think they'll improve it in the next game

Do you think Lara should have the scars in her body for ever (maybe) ..as human?

Do you want a changed body? .. personally I think actual body it's ok....Maybe i miss just a little bigger breast, but still ok :o (CD removed breast implants?? :lol: ..just kidding)

And the next point I'm wondering about is her face. Do you think in TR2013 she looks 'real' enough or CD have to improve reality in the next gen sequel?

I also want to ask you guys your oppinion about her looking like tihis:
http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/226/f/3/lara_closeup_by_anubisdhl-d6i5eqk.jpg
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/224/e/7/lara_reborn_by_anubisdhl-d6hvvsm.jpg
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/221/7/a/lara_croft_2013_by_anubisdhl-d6hee36.jpg


Too perfect?
Too real?
Too clear?
Too doll looking?
What do you think? :o

Pictures Author :
anubisdhl.deviantart.com
http://anubisdhl.deviantart.com/art/Lara-Closeup-393282524



PD: thank you VaBanes for start this discuss with me :p ..bring you oppinion here :)


dont know how to resize the pictures..sorry for that :(

Jurre
29th Oct 2013, 15:53
I think she's fine the way she looks in TR9.

Scars? Maybe, but don't overdo it. The scratches on the shoulders can go as far as I'm concerned. A spot above the left hip could be there as a reminiscent of the impaling scene, but not too much; I would prefer if she still looks good in a belly shirt.

As for bigger breasts: I can't believe that that has got a higher number of votes in the wishlist thread than some the brilliant ideas I proposed (hehehe). I mean come on, she's already as busty as humanly possible for a girl that skinny. To get any bigger would be comical and ridiculous.

The images look good to me, although in the third there's something unearthly about her. If there was a game about Greek mythology and the goddess Athena would come to earth I image her to look like that, but not an ordinary mortal.

MissBrandy
29th Oct 2013, 16:19
I think she's fine the way she looks in TR9.

me too. But I think all devs of any great game want to improve for the next gen consoles. All games change with every new console and look more real and better. I'm amazed about difference between Ps2 games and Ps3 for example. (and Im scared about what's about to come in few years :lol:)


Scars? Maybe, but don't overdo it. [..]I would prefer if she still looks good in a belly shirt.

yeap ! I think it's ok if CD keeps only her main scars. If not, after 2 games more she'll probably look like a zipper :rolleyes::nut:


As for bigger breasts: I can't believe that that has got a higher number of votes in the wishlist thread than some the brilliant ideas I proposed (hehehe). I mean come on, she's already as busty as humanly possible for a girl that skinny. To get any bigger would be comical and ridiculous.

ammmmm ...¿what can I say? Maybe I like boobs too much :lol:


The images look good to me, although in the third there's something unearthly about her. If there was a game about Greek mythology and the goddess Athena would come to earth I image her to look like that, but not an ordinary mortal.

The third one is just to remember how much means Lara for us, the fans. :lol:
She looks like an angel :lmao: ...but ¿when doesn't Lara look like heaven? .. I mean, personally I still find her beautiful even after she falls into the blood river in the game. :lol::lol:

a_big_house
29th Oct 2013, 16:48
Her face was too round in TR9 IMO, I quite like the face in those images though :cool:

Some scars could be interesting, but not like over her face, perhaps on her legs or arms or something.

As for boobs, CD can do what they want, I don't play the games for them. Having said that though, I'd rather they weren't like every other female character in every Square Enix (Japan branch) game e.g. uncovered :lol:

Jurre
29th Oct 2013, 17:02
As for boobs, CD can do what they want, I don't play the games for them.


No,... but surely the way the main character looks in a game is something very important; it's the one thing that the player is looking at the entire time, so it's of the greatest importance that they've got that right. And in the case of a female character the breasts are part of that.

For that reason I don't agree with those people who've got this cocky dismissive attitude like: 'oh here we go talking about Lara's boobs again...' I don't mean to say that you are like that, a big house..

VaBanes
29th Oct 2013, 17:13
Do you think Lara should have the scars in her body for ever (maybe) ..as human?

Do you want a changed body?

And the next point I'm wondering about is her face. Do you think in TR2013 she looks 'real' enough or CD have to improve reality in the next gen sequel?

I think it would be nice if her scars would stay on her body forever, I mean, Yamatai was a very important event for her development and I think we (and she) should remember that. Some of her scars can fade more than others but I think we should see all of them if we look closely.
Also, wounds like that don't heal that fast. It would be just realistic if we would see them in the sequel.

I wouldn't change her body. Maybe another outfit but her body shape fits perfect.

I also really like her face although I think Crystal Dynamics should give her some sort of a flaw. I think she looks a bit too perfect, at least in the CGI Trailer.


PD: thank you VaBanes for start this discuss with me :p
No problem. :D

a_big_house
29th Oct 2013, 18:19
No,... but surely the way the main character looks in a game is something very important; it's the one thing that the player is looking at the entire time, so it's of the greatest importance that they've got that right. And in the case of a female character the breasts are part of that.

For that reason I don't agree with those people who've got this cocky dismissive attitude like: 'oh here we go talking about Lara's boobs again...' I don't mean to say that you are like that, a big house..

Of course it's important, but we're looking at her back, not her front ;)

Well, I wouldn't take offence to that even if you did mean it like that, but still, as a subject it isn't nearly as important as everyone makes it out to be :lol:

Now, the kind of boots she wears... :D

MissBrandy
29th Oct 2013, 18:23
Some scars could be interesting, but not like over her face
OMG ...hope not :thud: :(

As for boobs, CD can do what they want, I don't play the games for them.
pfffff ... I think a female being the main character it's important having those female features ...

I'd rather they weren't like every other female character in every Square Enix (Japan branch)
:lol: Japan is obsessed with HUGE and UNREAL breast ..not only videogames. Manga comics, Anime ... etc. I don't know how Square Enix didn't push CD to grow Lara's boobs :lol: (or maybe SEnix already tried? :nut:)
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surely the way the main character looks in a game is something very important; it's the one thing that the player is looking at the entire time, so it's of the greatest importance that they've got that right. And in the case of a female character the breasts are part of that.
Agree agree :thumb: :thumb: And let's remember that Lara is also famous for her breast in videogames. We cannot just remove this famous point like it never count before ... (and I think still count by these days ...just saying)
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I think it would be nice if her scars would stay on her body forever [...] Some of her scars can fade more than others but I think we should see all of them if we look closely.
I know in real life scars will stay forever and I know we like to see the game more 'real'. But I need to argue that a videogame cannot be never full realistic. If all scars she get in her adventures would be on her body, she will look like a human zipper. :hmm: (and this is not good when talking about fans, sales and business) Like I almost think about her age. (videogames with grandmas will have no future) Lara needs to look ok.


I also really like her face although I think Crystal Dynamics should give her some sort of a flaw.
:( :( Why do you think so? :( I've loved Angelina's face during TR film age/period. I (just personally) think she had such a perfect face and fortunately the film team didn't add her a flaw in the face just because she look too good. And I also think in real life are girls with a really pretty face so why I cannot believe Lara can be one of them ? :(

No problem. :D :thumb: :thumb: :)

Jurre
29th Oct 2013, 18:30
but still, as a subject it isn't nearly as important as everyone makes it out to be :lol:
True that :)




:lol: Japan is obsessed with HUGE and UNREAL breast ..not only videogames. Manga comics, Anime ... etc. I don't know how Square Enix didn't push CD to grow Lara's boobs :lol: (or maybe SEnix already tried? :nut:)


I think it's a matter of supply and demand, in Japan I've heard it's incredibly difficult for young men to get a relationship or sex so they have to resort to different kinds of pornography. And when there's a demand moneymakers are willing to supply. Hence DOA volleyball and all that... But Tomb Raiders target demographic is predominantly the western world were oversexification is more and more frowned upon...

VaBanes
29th Oct 2013, 19:13
I know in real life scars will stay forever and I know we like to see the game more 'real'. If all scars she get in her adventures would be on her body, she will look like a human zipper. :hmm: Like I almost think about her age. Lara needs to look ok.

Lara is and should stay beautiful, no question. And like I said, I would let her scars fade. So we can only see them when we look very closely, except for her main scars. Furthermore, scars can be sexy as hell, just look at young Ezio. :P



:( :( Why do you think so? :( I (just personally) think she had such a perfect face and fortunately the film team didn't add her a flaw in the face just because she look too good. And I also think in real life are girls with a really pretty face so why I cannot believe Lara can be one of them ? :(
:thumb: :thumb: :)
I'm not talking about something like a bigass pimple on her nose. Even if that wouldn't be bad at all. Pimple come and fade by the time, they don't stay forever but everyone can have them. It would make her more human, imo, if she can get things like that, too. Anyway, I'm rather talking about something like a "beautiful flaw", like slightly crooked eyebrows, a birthmark behind her ear or maybe just a scar on her right forehead.
Things like that aren't beautiful in general but people will see them as beautiful since it is Lara who has them. ^^

Jurre
29th Oct 2013, 19:20
It would make her more human, imo, if she can get things like that, too. Anyway, I'm rather talking about something like a "beautiful flaw",

I think the term is 'natural charm' ? :)

MissBrandy
29th Oct 2013, 20:02
I would let her scars fade[..] , except for her main scars. Furthermore, scars can be sexy as hell
yup ..i agree with keeping main scars (but not too deeply). Sexy? hmm maybe it can be :)



I'm not talking about something like a bigass pimple on her nose. Even if that wouldn't be bad at all.
LOL :lol: .. that's not a flaw for me. And see Lara with that kind of 'problem' would be funny. :D


I'm rather talking about something like a "beautiful flaw", like slightly crooked eyebrows, a birthmark behind her ear or maybe just .
OMG ..I thought about bented noise, deep scar in her cheek, without a teeth :eek::eek: .... Omg !! My mind goes so negative when you mention a face flaw :lol:

a scar on her right forehead

Remember me about Harry Potter :lol:

How about a little scar in the middle of one eyebrow that looks like a fashion eyebrow slit ?:p

VaBanes
29th Oct 2013, 20:09
yup ..i agree with keeping main scars (but not too deeply). Sexy? hmm maybe it can be :)

I think, yes. Love Ezio's scar above his lip.



LOL :lol: .. that's not a flaw for me. And see Lara with that kind of 'problem' would be funny. :D

This kind of "flaw" would be actually pretty nice to see on Lara. You know, like some skin impurities, etc. ^^



OMG ..I thought about bented noise, deep scar in her cheek, without a teeth :eek::eek: .... Omg !! My mind goes so negative when you mention a face flaw :lol:

No, not a bented nose. But a deeper scar in her cheek wouldn't be that bad, I think... :p



How about a little scar in the middle of one eyebrow that looks like a fashion eyebrow slit ?:p
Naw... that would make her even more perfect. :D

MissBrandy
29th Oct 2013, 20:54
a deeper scar in her cheek wouldn't be that bad, I think... :p
hmm I thought about it some mins and imagine it ... and yep ..I think it's possible to fit her ...maybe under an eye ? hmmm :scratch:



Naw... that would make her even more perfect. :D
100% sure about that ... :lol:
I think CD can give her a eyebrow split and will look even more badass Lara . It can happen (¿maybe future TR games?) :D

VaBanes
29th Oct 2013, 22:11
hmm I thought about it some mins and imagine it ... and yep ..I think it's possible to fit her ...maybe under an eye ? hmmm :scratch:



100% sure about that ... :lol:
I think CD can give her a eyebrow split and will look even more badass Lara . It can happen (¿maybe future TR games?) :D

You know, Lara already has a slight eyebrow split on her left side, at least in the Turning Point Trailer. I think it looks really hot, so I wouldn't count that as a flaw. :D

I guess I will do a Rendering of "my version" of Lara Croft. ^^

Thetford
29th Oct 2013, 22:25
I'm thinking maybe scars from the spike at the beginning, and possibly from when she is caught in the bear trap and when she uses a burning arrow to close that wound, was that one the arm? If so, I can imagine that she decides to cover it with one of those iPod arm sleeve things runners and people at the gym wear, and at a moment of difficulty, takes it off, looks at the scar and says "I've been through worse" (or something much more [melo]dramatic to that effect). Though I would maybe like to see her change in environmental appearance, I'm not sure if that is the right term, where she can get covered in mud, or how her clothes respond to water (darker when wet etc).

VaBanes
30th Oct 2013, 00:44
I've made an image of a Lara I could imagine to see in the sequel (I'm not talking about her outfit!). It's actually almost the same model (just a bit modified) although the hair are a bit different.
I also retextured her complete face and a bit of her body.

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http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7016/aufg.png (http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5610/ktpe.png)
And yeah, I know her hair is brown actually. :D

Rai
30th Oct 2013, 01:46
I've made an image of a Lara I could imagine to see in the sequel (I'm not talking about her outfit!). It's actually almost the same model (just a bit modified) although the hair are a bit different.
I also retextured her face.

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http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9099/gd8i.png (http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9624/opvl.png)
If it wasn't in the middle of the night, I probably would have painted a better ponytail... :D
And yeah, I know her hair is brown actually.

This is actually really nicely done :tmb:. Did you make her eyes darker brown? This is a nice touch. :D

I'm all for some consistency in keeping Lara's looks as close as possible to how she looked in TR'13, taking in consideration any graphic advancements in next gen. Each game from CD has so far given a different Lara look, although the Legend flashback Lara was very close to Anniversary Lara. I could see similarities, but Legend and Underworld Lara didn't seem consistent enough, for my liking. It would just be refreshing to keep her the same for a bit. I think it would add to the realism if she kept a couple of scars visible. Some of her wounds like from the spike would be covered up, so it's not important, but if her arms are bare, then we should see a faded scare where her shot wound was, for example.

As for her hair, I just wish it was more in line with the coppery shade of before. I love that colour on her.

Murphdawg1
30th Oct 2013, 02:17
Her looks should and will likely stay pretty much the same. Considering the PS 4 and Xbox One have alot more memory than their predecessors did Crystal Dynamic will probably be able to make her look even more detailed than what they managed to get in the most recent game.

Marylinfill
30th Oct 2013, 05:57
VaBanes, amazing job! As for me, guys, I like her face in the main trailer, when she looks at the mirror
Too bad they've made another face for real time gameplay, Lara looks like a 12-year Japanese girl with those silicone lips and really small eyes, plus they don't shine in the console version. I hope CD would change that.

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/9693/capturegy.png

VaBanes
30th Oct 2013, 12:23
VaBanes, amazing job! As for me, guys, I like her face in the main trailer, when she looks at the mirror
Too bad they've made another face for real time gameplay, Lara looks like a 12-year Japanese girl with those silicone lips and really small eyes, plus they don't shine in the console version. I hope CD would change that.

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/9693/capturegy.png

Thank you! I like her in the Turning Point Trailer as well although I have to admit she looks a bit "too perfect", in my opinion. Her skin is too smooth and has the same color everywhere. Escpecially when she is falling down into the water, she looks a bit like a doll. ^^
Link 1 (http://www.cheatmasters.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Tomb-Raider-Turning-Point-04-1024x576.jpg). Link 2 (http://polloshermanos.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/1800787-tomb_raider__turning_point__debut_trailer__uk_version__-mp4-still005.png).

I think she looks way better in this Concept Art (http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8620/u42d.jpg). :p :D

Metalrocks
30th Oct 2013, 13:31
they should keep her as she is. maybe a different hairstyle but that would be it. and dont change her boobs. they are fine and more realistic.

what i really like to see are her main scars like her shot wound on her arm and most of all, her impaled side. these are something that cant be ignored in my view.

thats pretty much it from me.

VaBanes
30th Oct 2013, 14:41
they should keep her as she is. maybe a different hairstyle but that would be it.

what i really like to see are her main scars like her shot wound on her arm and most of all, her impaled side. these are something that cant be ignored in my view.


I also think she should look the same, regarding to the shape of her body and face, at least. Although I approve everything that goes for more realism. You know, like different textures etc.
And there is one thing, for example I would really change: Her eye make-up. Maybe you don't notice it while playing but it is there. Lots of it. As you may know, I'm doing some 3D renderings now and then and if you look at the textures you will notice that the spots around her eyes are completely black. I would replace that with skin colour since I really doubt Lara got time for things like that. :D

You are right about her scars. These are something that cant be ignored in my view, too. Therefore I'm really wondering in what way we will be able to see them (the one above her hip, especially). I doubt they will add a naked scene for this. :p What I could imagine is Sam (I know, LaraxSam again, omg! :nut:), touching that spot in a really rough way (surprise hug from behind?) and Lara is getting hurt since it isn't healed completely yet. Then she's maybe looking at it, checking if everything is alright and remembering the island. Something like that. Anyway. :D

Metalrocks
30th Oct 2013, 15:38
I also think she should look the same, regarding to the shape of her body and face, at least. Although I approve everything that goes for more realism. You know, like different textures etc.
And there is one thing, for example I would really change: Her eye make-up. Maybe you don't notice it while playing but it is there. Lots of it. As you may know, I'm doing some 3D renderings now and then and if you look at the textures you will notice that the spots around her eyes are completely black. I would replace that with skin colour since I really doubt Lara got time for things like that. :D

You are right about her scars. These are something that cant be ignored in my view, too. Therefore I'm really wondering in what way we will be able to see them (the one above her hip, especially). I doubt they will add a naked scene for this. :p What I could imagine is Sam (I know, LaraxSam again, omg! :nut:), touching that spot in a really rough way (surprise hug from behind?) and Lara is getting hurt since it isn't healed completely yet. Then she's maybe looking at it, checking if everything is alright and remembering the island. Something like that. Anyway. :D

lol, i dont expect a nude scene either just to show the scars. but maybe when she is taking a shower (obviously the camera is not showing off her whole body) and her hand just happens to touch that part or when she is getting dressed and sees her self in the mirror.
i think there are several ways to show her scars without revealing lots of skin. hugs from sam is sure one of them.

a_big_house
30th Oct 2013, 22:32
Perhaps Sam could be touching Lara and she feels one of her scars and they both think back on the horrors they faced ;)

VaBanes
30th Oct 2013, 22:58
Perhaps Sam could be touching Lara and she feels one of her scars and they both think back on the horrors they faced ;)
I was wondering, does Sam actually know Lara has that one scar above her hip?
Sure, there was some blood on her shirt but she didn't know what happened exactly.

I think this would be a good way to show her scar in the sequel:
-Sam is touching her in a very rough way (surprise hug from behind)
-Lara gets hurt since the wound isn't healed completely yet
-Sam asks what's wrong
-Lara tells her but Sam wants to see it herself
-Lara lifts her shirt a bit
-ta-da!
-suddenly, a flash of light appears in the sky, and a flaming meteor plummets to the earth

Anyway. I'm sure Crystal will add a scene like this. It's way too important to ignore. All of them should remember what happened on Yamatai, especially Lara, not just in her memory.^^

a_big_house
30th Oct 2013, 23:03
I like the idea but I'm sure they would have mentioned it on the ship, like to the medics or whatever

VaBanes
30th Oct 2013, 23:15
I like the idea but I'm sure they would have mentioned it on the ship, like to the medics or whatever
Lara has so many scars, I don't think they had time for talking about a specific one while being bandaged. Maybe they weren't even in the same room while doing that.

Maybe she knows it is there but has never seen it and that's why she wants Lara to take of her shirt for her... well, that sounds strange...

Maybe it is vice versa, she has seen it but Lara has never talked about the story behind it for whatever reason.

I think they could do some nice dialoges about this topic for the sequel. It's interesting. ^^

MissBrandy
31st Oct 2013, 10:59
Like your picture VaBanes ... You're great :D
I'm just wondering about if you think that little wound she got in the nose (between eyes) will stay there ...
I don't remember if Lara has it in all game and when she got that wound for exactly (when Dimitri hits her face probably? )
We can also see it in the oficial pic:
http://firm-guide.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/tomb_raider_2013-t21-463x300.jpg

Will a scar be there for next game? (I think not ...but if she will have a scar in her face i think it will be produced by that wound) ... hmmm

Metalrocks
31st Oct 2013, 11:29
well, by the end of the game, lara has really lots of scars and scratches on her shoulders (which was really very nicely done) but i dont think we will see it in future games.
lara was beating and frown a lot around but i also cant really remember seeing any wounds on her face that would stick out.

but the hip wound and her shot in the arm, thats something that is for sure sticking out and i think these are the once everyone else knows and remembers.

VaBanes
31st Oct 2013, 11:31
Like your picture VaBanes ... You're great :D

Will a scar be there for next game? (I think not ...but if she will have a scar in her face i think it will be produced by that wound) ... hmmm

Thank you! I hope that one on her nose will stay. It looks good, I think.
I also would like to see that one on her right forehead (Harry Potter :nut:), maybe just under her hair, so it is there but we don't always see it. ^^

At least in the sequel she should keep mostly all of her scars (some can fade more than others) since the time difference between sequel and Yamatai isn't that big. I don't want it to look like Yamatai happened years ago. I don't know how much time there will be between but maybe she even keeps some bandages or stitches/sutures, etc.

This could be that sort of flaw I was talking about, for example. Lara's face is ten times more beautiful than every face in the world but has a gigantic scar, maybe. :D

DastanMiles
31st Oct 2013, 12:09
At least in the sequel she should keep mostly all of her scars (some can fade more than others) since the time difference between sequel and Yamatai isn't that big. I don't want it to look like Yamatai happened years ago. I don't know how much time there will be between but maybe she even keeps some bandages or stitches/sutures, etc.

This is actually very interesting. I just updated my questions in the Q&A thread. ;)

LaraxSam
31st Oct 2013, 13:15
They should keep her as she looked in TR09, that was pretty perfect, but maybe put in a little more details to her face etc.
I am very happy with her body, the breasts should not be bigger, they were good and she just shouldn't be too skinny and have sum muscles. Of course she should still look female.
The important scars from the previous game should stay, but as someone mentioned, she should still look good in short clothes.
And personally, I'd like to see her with those brown eyes she used to have in the old TR games, cuz for me, that belongs to her appearance, even though I am a huge fan of green eyes, which are my fave eye color and very rare, but the brown eyes are more Lara Croft to me. (:

kiadaw
3rd Nov 2013, 21:40
You guys act like you have never seen anyone with a smooth scar free face.

VaBanes
3rd Nov 2013, 22:58
You guys act like you have never seen anyone with a smooth scar free face.

I doubt Lara remains with a completely smooth skin after everything that happened to her (http://www.nextgen.at/wp-content/uploads/Vamers-Tomb-Raider-2013-Lara-Croft.jpg).

Anyway, scars are cool and no one is perfect and Lara isn't either. ^^

Metalrocks
4th Nov 2013, 05:17
I doubt Lara remains with a completely smooth skin after everything that happened to her (http://www.nextgen.at/wp-content/uploads/Vamers-Tomb-Raider-2013-Lara-Croft.jpg).

Anyway, scars are cool and no one is perfect and Lara isn't either. ^^

agreed.

MissBrandy
5th Nov 2013, 13:22
I wonder if her hairstyle will be the same ...:scratch:

I wish to see Lara (maybe in a cutscene) with her long hair free of ponytail :em::em:

I mean .. I love her ponytail and fits great in game play ..but just want to see her hair free... im curious about how she looks in that way :)

Jurre
5th Nov 2013, 13:28
I wish to see Lara (maybe in a cutscene) with her long hair free of ponytail :em::em:

I mean .. I love her ponytail and fits great in game play ..but just want to see her hair free... im curious about how she looks in that way :)

So am I :thumb:

DrCroft
5th Nov 2013, 15:13
Yes I would love to see her hair down too!

Scars, yep I want to see them. Stomach, chest, arms, they are a reminder of what happened in Yamatai.

a_big_house
6th Nov 2013, 00:28
Why with the hair?

Lara had her hair down back in Legend

larafan25
6th Nov 2013, 00:52
I love the OP look and the detailed render by Vabanes.

I like her look. Though I just. Something. IDK if her head is big, or what. But I don't want her to look like a different person. Maybe just give her... IDK. IDK. I am curious. I hope the NG memory is spent well... on space... physical space, environments.

pirate1802
6th Nov 2013, 04:02
I'd like her to be the same as she was in this game, only with next gen improvements, better hair, skin texture etc. Maybe a different hairstyle for variety's sake. And a few other minor changes, like a scar somewhere on her face etc, to demonstrate that she's survived a brutal ordeal. But no more than that, largely keep her the same as in TR9. She was PERFECT!



Agree agree :thumb: :thumb: And let's remember that Lara is also famous for her breast in videogames. We cannot just remove this famous point like it never count before ... (and I think still count by these days ...just saying)

Its debatable whether that kind of famous is a good thing, atleast for reboot Lara. I mean if I write a realistic and gritty female character and someone on the design team gave her huge boobs which drew all the attention away from the rest of the character I'd feel like slapping him, for example. In my opinion giving her huge breasts of the old days would hurt the believability of the game and herself. Which they worked so hard to build. They took a character famous mostly for her boobs (speaking from an outsider's perspective) and turned her into something that'd even make the biggest perv sit up and respect. That's something. Taking her back to the old days would undo all that.


For that reason I don't agree with those people who've got this cocky dismissive attitude like: 'oh here we go talking about Lara's boobs again...' I don't mean to say that you are like that, a big house..

Indeed. As far as I'm concerned it would be immersion-breaking for me if they suddenly gave her huge bouncy boobs. I like bewbies as much as any other straight male, but in games where they suit, for example Saints Row. Everyone wears outrageous cloathes there and has hilarious body proportion, so big boobs is only natural. In a more serious game such as TR.. (and especially after the realistic reboot), it would seem out of place. Probably it is not a big factor for others but for me they way Lara looked, her grounded and realistic look was one of the main reason I liked this Lara much more than older versions. Hell that is the reason I became interested in this game in the first place. That I saw a normal-looking and not overtly sexualized girl (which is rarer than unicorns)surviving a hostile enviornment. If she looked like old Lara I'd probably not have been interested, never have played and never would been here posting on forums. Lets keep her the way she is, please CD? :wave:


Lara is and should stay beautiful, no question. And like I said, I would let her scars fade. So we can only see them when we look very closely, except for her main scars. Furthermore, scars can be sexy as hell, just look at young Ezio. :P

Indeed. It would seem "ugly" for a babydoll, for a badass adventurer like Lara, she'd wear them as a badge of honor. The badassedness of a badass character only increases if you give them a well-placed scar. Example: as Vabanes said, Ezio, Also Edward, Adewale has as much as 3-4 vertical scars on his lips. Aveline has a scar between he nose and lips (not sure). All of which are sexy as hell. I wish I had some myself. As for Lara, I think a scar through one of her eyebrows would be cool, or maybe one running through the side of one of her cheeks, behind the eye.


I'm all for some consistency in keeping Lara's looks as close as possible to how she looked in TR'13, taking in consideration any graphic advancements in next gen. Each game from CD has so far given a different Lara look, although the Legend flashback Lara was very close to Anniversary Lara. I could see similarities, but Legend and Underworld Lara didn't seem consistent enough, for my liking.

Legend and Underworld Lara looked like people who were only vaguely similar. They didn't seem like the same person at all. I'd hate it if that happens in the reboot again. I asked this exact question in one of the Q&A sessions, that whether beyond the obvious next gen graphical improvements, would they change her actual facial features again? No answers yet. :( Hopefully they won't. It is immersion-breaking when they change up the looks of a person in every game.

Awesome picture btw vabanes :D I have to learn that stuff from you :|

MissBrandy
6th Nov 2013, 10:56
I'd like her to be the same as she was in this game, only with next gen improvements, better hair, skin texture etc. Maybe a different hairstyle for variety's sake. And a few other minor changes, like a scar somewhere on her face etc, to demonstrate that she's survived a brutal ordeal. But no more than that, largely keep her the same as in TR9. She was PERFECT!
yep ... pretty perfect.




Its debatable whether that kind of famous is a good thing, atleast for reboot Lara.
hmmm ... that kind of famous isn't too bad at all ... but I was reffering to old TR games... By the way, Lara is in the top 3 of best boobs in videogames
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-eo54_Sh2o



In my opinion giving her huge breasts of the old days would hurt the believability of the game and herself. Which they worked so hard to build.
I agree. Maybe you misunderstanding what I mentioned about her breast. I said I miss just a little more ..not huge. I don't want a Lara Anderson :lol: ...but it's just personally said (and it's because personally I like boobs...that's psychological maybe, people who like breast cant change that kind of liking/attaction .... maybe I must go with a psychologist :lol:)
Anyway, I like her actual boobs. :o


Taking her back to the old days would undo all that.
Yes .. i know :o. I love her by how she is by now. She doesn't need any change .
I understand your oppinion perfectly :o

pirate1802
6th Nov 2013, 12:14
hmmm ... that kind of famous isn't too bad at all ... but I was reffering to old TR games... By the way, Lara is in the top 3 of best boobs in videogames
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-eo54_Sh2o

Ofcourse not, but when you create a badass adventurer, you want her to be famous for what she does, not for her boobs. Now, long time fans know Lara better so she's more than that for them, but what does the non-fan sees her as? The outside world so to speak? I talked to my friend once about TR, back in the days when Legend was launched. He said Lara who? The chick with huge boobs right? ..see what I mean? There's nothing wrong with boobs at all, but when that becomes your (well..your character's) defining feature, everything else is pushed in the shadows.. that's what I feel. Ezio isn't known as the guy with huge dick, Sam Fisher isn't either. But say in a parallel universe they were given huge dicks, then that would be what the world sees them as. Not the smiling assassin or unseen ghost. Tomb raider 2013 is the first game in a long, long, long time where the female lead isn't famous for her body but what she does. The extraordinary is in what you do, not who you are.. she was telling us more than we ever imagined!


I agree. Maybe you misunderstanding what I mentioned about her breast. I said I miss just a little more ..not huge. I don't want a Lara Anderson :lol: ...but it's just personally said (and it's because personally I like boobs...that's psychological maybe, people who like breast cant change that kind of liking/attaction .... maybe I must go with a psychologist :lol:)
Anyway, I like her actual boobs. :o

Well for me her bewbs are perfect for her age. Any larger and she'll look like Lara Anderson as you said :p Or Lara Nigri.. :vlol: Or the changes would be so small we won't notice the difference. And no need to see a psychologist, boobs are awesome. :p I just prefer boobs when they are boobs and not airships. Which is why I like this Lara, she is just like any other normal girl. I keep looking at her and think: Boy, she looks just like an average girl stuck in a very bad situation. Big boobs just remind me that this is a videogame and she's a videogame character. Sorry for the long rant..

MissBrandy
6th Nov 2013, 12:53
Ofcourse not, but when you create a badass adventurer, you want her to be famous for what she does, not for her boobs. [...]The extraordinary is in what you do, not who you are.

'A famous explorer once said' :D ...and well said :)



Any larger and she'll look like Lara Anderson as you said .. :vlol:
:lol: LOL can you imagine that ? that's a bit creepy ..


Ezio isn't known as the guy with huge dick
LOL :lol: how I laugh with this :lol::lol:

pirate1802
6th Nov 2013, 13:19
:lol: LOL can you imagine that ? that's a bit creepy ..

There was a thread on the TRU section that I saw once, a guy posted some screenshots where Lara had airship-sized boobs and they got even bigger and bigger as the game progressed. It was hilarious and sad at the same time..

Psychomorph
13th Nov 2013, 01:27
Stay away from too much make-up. Keep it natural.

MissBrandy
13th Nov 2013, 11:10
Stay away from too much make-up. Keep it natural.

I think Lara's makeup in TR9 was the mud :lol: ... and I'm sure she will continue to wear it :D

pirate1802
13th Nov 2013, 12:27
I think Lara's makeup in TR9 was the mud :lol: ... and I'm sure she will continue to wear it :D

Indeed. I'll go and have her make up moar with the hunter outfit now.
:p

VaBanes
13th Nov 2013, 13:17
Stay away from too much make-up. Keep it natural.
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/4565/er5z.jpg

Original is on the left one. My re-textured version on the right.
Used it for this picture (http://vabanes.deviantart.com/art/Lara-x-Sam-S-S-Endurance-409442064)and it still looks like she is wearing make-up. :D

Marylinfill
13th Nov 2013, 15:46
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/4565/er5z.jpg

Original is on the left one. My re-textured version on the right.
Used it for this picture (http://vabanes.deviantart.com/art/Lara-x-Sam-S-S-Endurance-409442064)and it still looks like she is wearing make-up. :D

Somehow I cannot see the Deviantart picture :scratch:

MissBrandy
14th Nov 2013, 15:53
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/4565/er5z.jpg

WTH is that? i'm scared :lol:

VaBanes
14th Nov 2013, 16:28
WTH is that? i'm scared :lol:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9728/w402.jpg
:p

MissBrandy
14th Nov 2013, 17:09
OMG ... it looks soo strange ..
That is eye closed ?

MissBrandy
17th Nov 2013, 12:23
Talking about Lara being blonde:

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8622/1dv0.jpg
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/3980/ce6e.jpg
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7615/6ng3.jpg

My oppinion? Dislike
I used blonde modding in TRL, TRA and TRU in my PC but just for fun ... I can't expect Lara being blonde officially. :D:D

pirate1802
17th Nov 2013, 12:32
NooOooooOOooooo.... *voice fades out*

Jurre
17th Nov 2013, 12:33
Hair: not good, but I do like the blue eyes...

Metalrocks
17th Nov 2013, 12:57
a big dislike from me as well. she would be, as we would say in german, a BBB; blond, blau, bloed (blonde, blue, stupid). :lol:
nice job anyway to make her look like this. now we really know she looks better being a brunette.
brunettes are better anyway. as someone posted a quote about them, it said:
"blondes have more fun, but brunettes have more men."

sure not the most intelligent quote but still amusing in some way.

VaBanes
17th Nov 2013, 13:29
Not that I have something against blond people but that kind of blond doesn't look very good and doesn't "fit her personality" either. I know, hair colour has nothing to do with personality but this kind of blond doesn't look very natural and I doubt Lara would colour her hair like that. For me this kind of blond (especially the Underworld version) is more like "Barbie blond", some sort of peroxide blond. Edward Kenway, for example, looks great with his blond hair.

pirate1802
17th Nov 2013, 17:02
^Hairist!

VaBanes
17th Nov 2013, 17:08
^Hairist!
That's actually not what I meant. Just trying to edit it. :D

MissBrandy
17th Nov 2013, 17:15
I do like the blue/green eyes for her too ...but Lara looks gorgeous with dark brown hair and eyes :)

pirate1802
17th Nov 2013, 17:16
I was not srs :p

VaBanes
17th Nov 2013, 17:20
I do like the blue/green eyes for her too ...but Lara looks gorgeous with dark brown hair and eyes :)
I don't know but everytime I see someone with dark hair and blue eyes I initially think of Frodo. :lol:

MissBrandy
17th Nov 2013, 17:24
I don't know but everytime I see someone with dark hair and blue eyes I initially think of Frodo. :lol:

and I think about a singer ...her:
http://evanbackup.files.wordpress.com/1998/02/293u0k4.jpg

:D:D

Jurre
17th Nov 2013, 17:25
I don't know but everytime I see someone with dark hair and blue eyes I initially think of Frodo. :lol:

There's a Frodo right here then :D

SAAAAAAAAAM! :D:D

Psychomorph
17th Nov 2013, 17:34
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7615/6ng3.jpg


NOOOOO WAAAAAY!!!!!

VaBanes
17th Nov 2013, 17:38
There's a Frodo right here then :D

SAAAAAAAAAM! :D:D

Her eyes aren't blue, are they? :scratch: Need to check that. :D

Jurre
17th Nov 2013, 17:40
I'm imitating Frodo:

Saaaam! You can't swim!

VaBanes
17th Nov 2013, 17:47
Oh, I see. :lol:

Just watched the Special Extended Edition of the Fellowship of the Ring yesterday. :D
Although you pronounce the Sam in Samwise a bit different than the Sam in Samantha. ^^

Metalrocks
18th Nov 2013, 03:58
lol, thats actually true that frodo always yelled out sams name. has been a wile since i have seen the movies. next month will be the second part of the hobbit. that could be interesting.

so lara is the female version of frodo and sam is the female version of sam :nut:. its for both of them their first big adventure. which means that this TR is based on the lord of the rings :eek:

Jurre
18th Nov 2013, 04:02
It all makes sense now! :D

VaBanes
18th Nov 2013, 11:04
Only if the first TR is based on the Fellowship. In the Return of the King Sam is the hero at the end. You can't say that about Samantha. :lol:

This could actually be really cool. First Lara saves Sam, later Sam saves Lara. Just remember when Samwise almost drowned in the water and Frodo grabbed his hand. Then compare it to the scene in Mount Doom where Sam grabs Frodo's hand. :D

pirate1802
18th Nov 2013, 11:13
Mind = Blown :O

Metalrocks
18th Nov 2013, 11:18
Only if the first TR is based on the Fellowship. In the Return of the King Sam is the hero at the end. You can't say that about Samantha. :lol:

This could actually be really cool. First Lara saves Sam, later Sam saves Lara. Just remember when Samwise almost drowned in the water and Frodo grabbed his hand. Then compare it to the scene in Mount Doom where Sam grabs Frodo's hand. :D

cant remember these scenes. like i said, it was ages since i have watched the movies. and yes, samantha dint save lara but you never know what the next title will bring. maybe she will save lara for a change and is a kick ass girl :p
but frodo wasnt really a strong character. sam was more the fighter and survivor and being stubborn at the same time. this clearly wasnt seen with samantha.....yet.

im really wondering what the next title will show about them. maybe it will be titled "the two temples" :p

VaBanes
18th Nov 2013, 11:53
cant remember these scenes. like i said, it was ages since i have watched the movies.

Here you go! :p
Fellowship (http://youtu.be/rCY_Hjv7vKc?t=2m30s)
Return of the King (http://youtu.be/usOU2OxibcY?t=2m17s)
Genius Peter Jackson!


and yes, samantha dint save lara but you never know what the next title will bring. maybe she will save lara for a change and is a kick ass girl :p

im really wondering what the next title will show about them. maybe it will be titled "the two temples" :p

And yeah, that's exactly what I mean by Sam saving Lara. ^^

Kind of funny how we got to Lord of the Rings by talking about Lara's looks for next gen. :D

Metalrocks
18th Nov 2013, 14:24
lol, thanks for the scenes.

yes, we sort of go off topic here talking about LOTR. but it does have the resemblance in a way.

MissBrandy
20th Nov 2013, 18:42
Let me introduce you the next gen Lara:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8298/e2i1.jpg

:D:D:D:D (now please don't kill me :lol:)

VaBanes
20th Nov 2013, 18:50
Is that a Skyrim mod? :lol:

MissBrandy
20th Nov 2013, 18:59
Is that a Skyrim mod? :lol:
yes :D ...looks great the mod :D I like Lara's face in there ..
Let's play Skyrim with Lara :nut:

pirate1802
20th Nov 2013, 20:34
Let me introduce you the next gen Lara:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8298/e2i1.jpg

:D:D:D:D (now please don't kill me :lol:)

Already have that mod :p

VaBanes
20th Nov 2013, 20:52
Doesn't look good, imo.

Not dirty and bloody enough for Skyrim. :D That's not how a dragon slayer looks like.

MissBrandy
20th Nov 2013, 20:52
Already have that mod :p

ohhh....wait !!! WAIT !!! you can play with that mod?????? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Please share how can I do that too pleaseeee :worship:


That's not how a dragon slayer looks like.
Thats how a dragon godess look like :D

AdobeArtist
20th Nov 2013, 22:21
Let me introduce you the next gen Lara:

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:D:D:D:D (now please don't kill me :lol:)

Adobe Seal of Approval :thumb::thumb::thumb::D:D:D

pirate1802
21st Nov 2013, 03:22
ohhh....wait !!! WAIT !!! you can play with that mod?????? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Please share how can I do that too pleaseeee :worship:

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/33524/?



Thats how a dragon godess look like :D

:thumb:


Not dirty and bloody enough for Skyrim. :D That's not how a dragon slayer looks like.

There are other dirty presets ;)

pirate1802
21st Nov 2013, 03:24
Not dirty and bloody enough for Skyrim. :D That's not how a dragon slayer looks like.

There are other dirty presets ;)

Bokoblin23
21st Nov 2013, 03:50
Give her some more muscle, obviously not unrealistic, but show that she's really strong - girls always have undefined muscles in games despite being warriors or heroes.

Also please for the love of god, don't make her boobs unrealistic, the more grounded the character is, the more I think she becomes her own character and not a boyish fantasy.

Loved the TR9 redesign, so that was a good move :)

Metalrocks
21st Nov 2013, 06:11
very sexy. just not really a good way to dress to kill things. but she looks like julia from tekken.

jiyudg_julia-hqt5.jpg

only there she wears more. :p
lets see if we can dress lara like that as in anni. even when its only for the croft manor.

blackrook
8th Dec 2013, 02:09
I think this model is pretty much perfect.

http://www.croftgeneration.com/imagenes/galeria/wallpapers/TombRaider/bigimages/Wallpaper_TR_050.jpg
http://www.croftgeneration.com/imagenes/galeria/wallpapers/TombRaider/bigimages/Wallpaper_TR_049.jpg
http://www.croftgeneration.com/imagenes/galeria/wallpapers/TombRaider/bigimages/Wallpaper_TR_048.jpg
http://www.croftgeneration.com/imagenes/galeria/wallpapers/TombRaider/bigimages/Wallpaper_TR_047.jpg

As for scars, I'd be fine with the one on her torso initially, but I don't think any more than that is necessary.

I think that the real advancement when it comes to Lara in the sequel needs to be motion capture. That's not to say that her writing doesn't also have room for improvement, but this is a looks-only thread after all.

Compare the mocap work between TR9 and games like Beyond: Two Souls, The Last of Us, or even LA Noire. I feel like the discrepancy is pretty stark when it comes to the facial mocap. More than ever, with the cinematic direction CD appears to be taking the franchise, absolute verisimilitude and immersion with Lara's expressions and mannerisms are needed.

kiadaw
8th Dec 2013, 10:18
Say no the Fordo-lise/Gullum Lara in TR10. Use Lara Generation model instead!

Say no to this.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Starseeker/NotLara_zpsb354b631.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4Skj_NF9xPI/T8J_GK2R_BI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/M3H1RoCOE78/s320/gollumface+gollum+die+umsteiger.blogspot.de+veganer.jpg

Edit, I notice one new thing, her lips seems to be botoxed as well. *Sigh*

http://way2tan.com/uploads/botox-lips-fake-tan.jpg

TheNarrator
8th Dec 2013, 11:25
Why?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Starseeker/NotLara2_zps11a1be2b.jpg

MissBrandy
8th Dec 2013, 12:28
Soooo ...finally we got to know how will look LARA for next gen because of this Definitive edition ....

Oppinion: WTH !!! How many phisical changes will be there for Lara (specially her face) ?? Will they change her with every new generation of consoles?? I know she must be improved for next gen, and I'm not saying she looks bad, but please CD let me get in touch with ONE Lara not with different versions of her with every game ..

That guy of CD at VGX said they worked out her entire face again for next gen ... so she looks way different and it's not my eyes ..

Just want to add: If this is the DEFINITIVE edition of TR and LARA please let it be as this ..no more changes over and over again !!

PS: I pretty like the new TR cover game for PS4 and XOne :D

Marylinfill
8th Dec 2013, 13:06
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Starseeker/NotLara_zpsb354b631.jpg

I love this new face! PLEASE don't touch ANYTHING, she is too perfect!!!

Jurre
8th Dec 2013, 13:11
^ I really can't see anything wrong with that pic. As for some of the others: you've got to remember that those are snapshots from moving images. If somebody pauses a youtube video of someone talking they may be making a funny face or look outright ridiculous. In an animated movie it's no different. I think everybody who's freaking out over this needs to sit down and wait for some official screenshots to come out. Then you can judge it properly...

VaBanes
8th Dec 2013, 13:14
^ I really can't see anything wrong with that pic. As for some of the others: you've got to remember that those are snapshots from moving images. If somebody pauses a youtube video of someone talking they may be making a funny face or look outright ridiculous. In an animated movie it's no different. I think everybody who's freaking out over this needs to sit down and wait for some official screenshots to come out. Then you can judge it properly...

Well, there are snapshots from moving images of the standard version of TR9, too. And she looked much better there, imo.

Daftvirgin
8th Dec 2013, 13:16
I think this model is pretty much perfect.

As for scars, I'd be fine with the one on her torso initially, but I don't think any more than that is necessary.

Agreed

And agreed/


I think that the real advancement when it comes to Lara in the sequel needs to be motion capture. That's not to say that her writing doesn't also have room for improvement, but this is a looks-only thread after all.

Compare the mocap work between TR9 and games like Beyond: Two Souls, The Last of Us, or even LA Noire. I feel like the discrepancy is pretty stark when it comes to the facial mocap. More than ever, with the cinematic direction CD appears to be taking the franchise, absolute verisimilitude and immersion with Lara's expressions and mannerisms are needed.

Camilla's gonna suffer the wrath of the white balls of mocap :lol:

Jurre
8th Dec 2013, 13:20
Well, there are snapshots from moving images of the standard version of TR9, too. And she looked much better there, imo.
With closeups like that?

But let me ask you something: do you honestly have a problem with the above picture in Marylinfills post? Because if you do you're seeing things that I don't...

MissBrandy
8th Dec 2013, 13:33
It's me or both pics have some ''similar touch'' ? (one clean and one dirty face)

@VaBanes: Finally she gots Final Fantasy pretty fairy face :D :D (Oh wait, both games are owned by Square Enix :lol:)

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6022/o6xn.jpg

PS: she is having bigger eyes now? (or it's me?)

dark7angel
8th Dec 2013, 19:56
^ I really can't see anything wrong with that pic.

Exactly what I was thinking!

kiadaw
8th Dec 2013, 20:55
Exactly what I was thinking!

Other than she doesn't looks like Lara in TR9, have enormous eyes, & puffy lips, & not an improvement.

pirate1802
9th Dec 2013, 04:20
Other than she doesn't looks like Lara in TR9, have enormous eyes, & puffy lips, & not an improvement.

Basically. Its mostly that she doesn't look like TR9 Lara at all now, a different woman.. that is the problem for me. She isn't the Lara I identified with in TR9, not at all. I feared this day would come, with CD's propensity to change Lara's face every game, but now we've seen it in action.

Metalrocks
9th Dec 2013, 09:28
what we can hope for is that maybe we can select in the next title if we prefer this plastic, doll looking lara or the original. something similar as in legend were you could choose next gen or not.
now CD knows that many of us are not happy with this new face and might consider this option.

Marylinfill
9th Dec 2013, 09:33
I guess you just have to wait, adjust and see, how wonderful this new face really is. ;) I will do everything I can to make CD keep it as it is now in the sequel :)

Metalrocks
9th Dec 2013, 09:36
I guess you just have to wait, adjust and see, how wonderful this new face really is. ;) I will do everything I can to make CD keep it as it is now in the sequel :)

you really braise this new face a lot, do you? :p
maybe CD can send you a mod or special edition just for you to have this face.

pirate1802
9th Dec 2013, 09:43
Not looking forward to play as this doll in the sequel sorry to say..

Marylinfill
9th Dec 2013, 09:58
you really braise this new face a lot, do you? :p
maybe CD can send you a mod or special edition just for you to have this face.
You know, it turned out most Russian fans love this new face too :o Especially our community elder, who played DE at VGX. He said it was really cool with a lot of "nice" features they've added to the game, like moving leaves etc. Other characters were remodeled as well, looking more "detailed" :)

VaBanes
9th Dec 2013, 10:58
It kinda looks like most of the people who like the new face also liked the old Lara more than the new. ^^

_Ninja_
9th Dec 2013, 12:32
Lara in the sequel won't look exactly like either version. They are sure to keep tweaking her appearance. That's just how it works.

Metalrocks
9th Dec 2013, 12:34
You know, it turned out most Russian fans love this new face too :o Especially our community elder, who played DE at VGX. He said it was really cool with a lot of "nice" features they've added to the game, like moving leaves etc. Other characters were remodeled as well, looking more "detailed" :)

i see. if im not mistaken, russians are anyway crazy with puppetry and dolls. correct me if im wrong. but thats what i have mostly hurt about russia.
and no, this comment is not meant to be offensive about your view of laras new face. in case you are thinking it or someone else.

MissBrandy
9th Dec 2013, 17:25
TR9 face fas plenty of feelings. Was more ''heart feelings'' that you can read in her face ... So if I need to chose, I'll take TR9 face ...
Just take a look how emotional her face looks in the first pictures :

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/tecstar/forum%20pics/laranewpc_zps3a0fabd3.jpg
http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/tecstar/forum%20pics/laranewpc2_zps47a53322.jpg

That's what I most loved of TR9 Lara ... the feelings in her face. And now, looking at those new pictures, that ''happy /fear'' feeling it's totally gone... She looks like she doesn't care about what is she living'' ... CD must pay more attention to that, it's a part of that human side of Lara ..

Marylinfill
9th Dec 2013, 18:19
i see. if im not mistaken, russians are anyway crazy with puppetry and dolls. correct me if im wrong. but thats what i have mostly hurt about russia.
and no, this comment is not meant to be offensive about your view of laras new face. in case you are thinking it or someone else.

Yes, we are a puppet empire, and I am officially one of the best doll makers of Russia, yet I don't see her as a doll at all. She looks like Lara Croft this time, not like the original Poser standard mesh from tr9 IMO. And feelings... I prefer new feelings. I simply hate her childish whining all day long :p she is a strong woman from the start, let her be herself this time:thumb:
And by the way, these shots has nothing to do with the gameplay.
No hard feelings, I'm just soo happy to see true Croft again :)

kiadaw
9th Dec 2013, 20:36
TR 10 Wishlist. Keep lara face (46 votes)

Everyone have their own preference, but since they finally made a realistic face that most people liked, & infuse in their mind, why change it. If we do not make a stand that we wanted to stick to a face, then we will continue to see changes in Lara.

Who know what they made to her to fit the lastest trend. WHos know, we may have a Chinese looking Lara to appeal to the far East, or Latino like to appeal to Latin America, or made her bony model-looking Blonde, with no tits.

Could Lara looked better, or course, but we do not want the prettiest girl in the world, (This is not FF) but a Lara Croft we can related to, with a face that stay the same (other than changes to fir her age in the particular game).

kiadaw
9th Dec 2013, 20:39
Basically. Its mostly that she doesn't look like TR9 Lara at all now, a different woman.. that is the problem for me. She isn't the Lara I identified with in TR9, not at all. I feared this day would come, with CD's propensity to change Lara's face every game, but now we've seen it in action.

My thoughts also. This need to be heard!

larafan25
9th Dec 2013, 20:46
So leik, yall play the DE edition and get to know her over again.

Daftvirgin
9th Dec 2013, 21:07
TR9 face fas plenty of feelings. Was more ''heart feelings'' that you can read in her face ... So if I need to chose, I'll take TR9 face ...
Just take a look how emotional her face looks in the first pictures :

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/tecstar/forum%20pics/laranewpc_zps3a0fabd3.jpg
http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/tecstar/forum%20pics/laranewpc2_zps47a53322.jpg

That's what I most loved of TR9 Lara ... the feelings in her face. And now, looking at those new pictures, that ''happy /fear'' feeling it's totally gone... She looks like she doesn't care about what is she living'' ... CD must pay more attention to that, it's a part of that human side of Lara ..

She has an uncanny resemblance with Ellie from the Last of Us. It's uncanny because its not as expressive and detailed as Naughty Dog's Ellie, nor does it make her look mature as she looked previously. her face and body don't match and it makes her look like one of these uncanny Japanese android wives with rubber faces pasted on them.

MissBrandy
9th Dec 2013, 21:24
It's uncanny because its not as expressive and detailed as Naughty Dog's Ellie, nor does it make her look mature as she looked previously.

yes .. agree soo much ..

CD is turning my mind in blur ... They improved the new Lara's look really?? That guy of CD in the VGX said they worked out her face again but it seems they forgot about her expresive previous face... and other details ...

:rolleyes::rolleyes::(

Daftvirgin
9th Dec 2013, 21:45
Its like they can't get their priorities right; I'd rather want them to spend time and resources into improving writing and story in the next TR because it was very lackluster in TR9 (except for Lara's inner transformation).

Metalrocks
10th Dec 2013, 04:35
Its like they can't get their priorities right; I'd rather want them to spend time and resources into improving writing and story in the next TR because it was very lackluster in TR9 (except for Lara's inner transformation).

this gives me to think if they would change her face with every title they want to make. i also thought they would leave this face as it is but obviously they still have a different view of lara how she should look. looks like making her look like a doll is their view.

pirate1802
10th Dec 2013, 04:44
TR9 face fas plenty of feelings. Was more ''heart feelings'' that you can read in her face ... So if I need to chose, I'll take TR9 face ...
Just take a look how emotional her face looks in the first pictures :

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/tecstar/forum%20pics/laranewpc_zps3a0fabd3.jpg
http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/tecstar/forum%20pics/laranewpc2_zps47a53322.jpg

That's what I most loved of TR9 Lara ... the feelings in her face. And now, looking at those new pictures, that ''happy /fear'' feeling it's totally gone... She looks like she doesn't care about what is she living'' ... CD must pay more attention to that, it's a part of that human side of Lara ..

Thats what I've been thinking as well. The new Lara seems less emotive.


her face and body don't match and it makes her look like one of these uncanny Japanese android wives with rubber faces pasted on them.

Oh. My. Gawd.. thats exactly what I thought she looks like lawl

Metalrocks
10th Dec 2013, 10:03
Thats what I've been thinking as well. The new Lara seems less emotive.



Oh. My. Gawd.. thats exactly what I thought she looks like lawl

lol, these are my thoughts with these pics:
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showpost.php?p=1966608&postcount=93

pirate1802
10th Dec 2013, 10:24
Yeah, absolutely spot on! People said the old face had bad facial animations (which I never understood. Sure they weren't Beyond-level amazeballs, but they weren't BAD per se either) The new face is supposed to be a refined version with better everything. Shouldn't it have better emotions? Now its possible that those shots aren't exactly taken at the same place, but in general.. out of all pictures I've seen the DollLara looks less emotive and more Doll-like than Human-Lara imo. Just look at the bottom picture above. DollLara looks stoned, with more realistic but absolutely emotionless eyes.

I'm watching the trailer again and again in hopes that I'd spot the old TR9 Lara somewhere in between, but failing repeatedly. She seems to be gone. :/

Metalrocks
10th Dec 2013, 12:28
DollLara looks stoned, with more realistic but absolutely emotionless eyes.


lol, just like i have described in the link i have posted. she really looks stoned like she smoked a joint. :lol:
maybe at that scene we will hear a song from bob marley or afroman :p

pirate1802
10th Dec 2013, 12:34
lol, just like i have described in the link i have posted. she really looks stoned like she smoked a joint. :lol:
maybe at that scene we will hear a song from bob marley or afroman :p

Hey infact look at the pics in the link you posted. HumanLara shows a wider range of emotions while DollLara remains basically the same through all the five pics.

Metalrocks
10th Dec 2013, 12:39
Hey infact look at the pics in the link you posted. HumanLara shows a wider range of emotions while DollLara remains basically the same through all the five pics.

in other words: emotionless.

VaBanes
10th Dec 2013, 13:11
I think we should compare her new looks by looking at the "art stuff" like the new shape and textures (skin, -colour, make-up, scars, ...) rather than looking at the technical things (skin material, sub surface scattering, ...).

Of course the Definitive Edition has a better technique regarding to this in general but you should keep in mind what the old model could look like with that improvements.

TheNarrator
10th Dec 2013, 13:13
I think we should compare her new looks by looking at the "art stuff" like the new shape and textures (skin, -colour, make-up, scars, ...) rather than looking at the technical things (skin material, sub surface scattering, ...).

Of course the Definitive Edition has a better technique regarding to this in general but you should keep in mind what the old model could look like with that improvements.
I think this is a good idea. We don't know about the graphics quality the sequel might have but we might know about Lara's general look (if they use the same model).

VaBanes
10th Dec 2013, 13:59
I hope we will get some feedback from the devs about her new face soon or at least that answer from the Q&A answered.

MissBrandy
10th Dec 2013, 15:56
the old model could look like with that improvements.

For sure she could. I'm scared about CD turn Lara into a Fairy doll... and so emotionless :rolleyes:

VaBanes
10th Dec 2013, 18:42
If you are interested, I just created a gif from both versions, same location.


"I'm yours tonight."

:rolleyes:

http://s7.directupload.net/images/131210/njqlmnno.gif

Marylinfill
10th Dec 2013, 19:38
VaBanes, amazing job, they both are very impressive and pretty! I could watch it over and over again =)

SamanthaScofield
10th Dec 2013, 20:23
If you are interested, I just created a gif from both versions, same location.


http://s7.directupload.net/images/131210/njqlmnno.gif
Thanks for that gif.

I'm yours tonight
Hope she's talking about Samantha (not me) at least. :rasp:

AdobeArtist
10th Dec 2013, 22:14
http://s7.directupload.net/images/131210/njqlmnno.gif

Damn, I never realized the difference in expression until seeing this same scene side by side :nut:




"Tonight, I am yours.."
.

Then again maybe I... shouldn't complain?? :naughty: :whistle: :o :p

pirate1802
11th Dec 2013, 02:53
Victoria's Secrets model doesn't hold a candle to our original Survivor sorry to say.. *shakes head and walks away*

MissBrandy
11th Dec 2013, 12:41
@VaBanes: Awesome ...Loved it ... And loved the second face of her ...so plenty of feelings, so cute ...<3 :)

pirate1802
11th Dec 2013, 13:24
Yes, cute. Exactly. That cuteness is now lost. Might be a good or bad thing depending on whether one belonged to the Too Whiny Lara group, but surely a bad thing for me. Lara is just another oh so badass heroine it seems now. The bombastic nature of the trailer has probably made me biased too.

Metalrocks
11th Dec 2013, 14:17
you really see a difference.
new lara: almost a serious face.
old lara: pity/remorseful face.

from what i have seen so far, it really looks like all emotions have been cut out.

PallasAthene
11th Dec 2013, 15:06
She really doesn't look emotionless to me. She has more of a wary, alert expression. Like she doesn't trust anything around her and she's ready to defend herself. I don't mind the scared/desperate expression, and it was appropriate for some scenes, but she had it for the entire game in the current gen version. It was exhausting to watch her, and it's not really an expression I can empathise with in a dangerous, messed-up situation. I find the wary expression much more appropriate.

pirate1802
11th Dec 2013, 15:11
Maybe because she was in a desperate situation for the entire game? Anyway that's what I'm saying. The new face seems to be geared towards those unhappy with the whiny Lara.

PallasAthene
11th Dec 2013, 15:29
But if you were in this situation, on a journey to become an expert survivor, where you were encountering the kind of things she does, would you look circumspect and wary as you move through dangerous spaces, filled with enemies and unnatural creatures, or would you look sad? At what point do you stop looking sad and start looking like you mean business? This is the woman who will perform brutal executions by driving an ice axe through a man's face and snapping another's neck with her bow. At some point in the game the 'help me I'm a sad lost girl-next-door who's out of her depth' look seemed totally out of place.

pirate1802
11th Dec 2013, 15:39
Well she looks weary/circumspect in that pic, not sad. Whatever she is doing, she's doing to survive, not because she's having way too much fun doing it. Those executions are optional. Anyway, that gif shows idle animation off Lara. In actual cutscenes after the halfway stage I don't see this weakness of hers anywhere where its inappropriate. i.e. when somebody is not dying or in problem.

VaBanes
11th Dec 2013, 15:41
Bould you look circumspect and wary as you move through dangerous spaces, filled with enemies and unnatural creatures, or would you look sad?
Lara doesn't look "sad" (except when Roth died). She looks helpless/weary/circumspect because she's not used to be in a situation like that. And also, Sam is still in trouble and Lara keeps that at the back of her mind wherever she is going and whatever she is doing. So there is actually no situation where this faceial expression is out of place or somthing like that.

In the DE she seems to be thinking about something completely different.

PallasAthene
11th Dec 2013, 15:53
Lara's default expression throughout the whole of current gen TR2013 was that eyebrows-in-the-air look that a lot of people seem to be attached to and are saying made her look so emotional and real etc. But anyway, none of us have even seen any of the really emotional scenes in next gen graphics, and we haven't seen her talking in Camilla's voice like we're used to. I think people need to give things a chance.

@VaBanes I'm saying she looks wary in the next gen model. That's my point. The current gen model always looked far too sad and distracted by visceral fear to me, which was fine for the beginning of the game but seemed very out of place once she was killing and moving more confidently through enemy areas. Sadness and raised eyebrows would not be the expression of someone hardened to killing, sizing up an area for danger and traps IMO.

pirate1802
11th Dec 2013, 16:03
na.. she'd be wearing the I'm yours Tonight look while scanning an area.. :vlol:

PallasAthene
11th Dec 2013, 16:06
It really doesn't look like that to me at all. It looks like she's thinking either 'what the hell is this messed-up place' or she's concentrating on her surroundings. I didn't hate her fearful look, but it was too much for the whole game.

pirate1802
11th Dec 2013, 16:10
Because the whole game is the process of her becoming a survivor. Only at the end of the game, after she brings Sam to safety does she becomes the hardened survivor. You can't be a survivor without surviving the thing in the first place right? And again, that fearful look was just her idle animation.. only if you stand in a place for long and look at her. For me she grew out of the frightened phase once she climbed the radio tower. Then on she was a confident woman.

That look is the result of her hands curled up in a wary manner while her eyes being completely emotionless (and the whole face really) which results in that weird look.

Metalrocks
11th Dec 2013, 16:31
Lara doesn't look "sad" (except when Roth died). She looks helpless/weary/circumspect because she's not used to be in a situation like that. And also, Sam is still in trouble and Lara keeps that at the back of her mind wherever she is going and whatever she is doing. So there is actually no situation where this faceial expression is out of place or somthing like that.

In the DE she seems to be thinking about something completely different.

my thoughts as well.

even when half through the game, she still had some fear but more confident after understanding slowly whats going on (at least thats the impression she gave at that stage). only her problem was to convince the others that they cant leave the island yet. so this already made her uncomfortable by losing her friends, and most of all sam, if she cant manage to stop these storms.
so having this fearful face most of the time is pretty understandable.

now this more serious looking face makes her a badass right away and most likely an unbelievable impression in the situation she is in.

blackrook
11th Dec 2013, 18:26
I can't be the only one that likes DE Lara over TR9 Lara in that GIF. DE Lara actually looks purposeful and determined whereas I can't even tell if TR9 Lara can hold her head and eyes steady.

MissBrandy
11th Dec 2013, 21:05
na.. she'd be wearing the I'm yours Tonight look while scanning an area.. :vlol:

+1 :lol:

Lara can't look that wary and used to situations like that because even it's new edition it's still her FIRST adventure like survivor... so that new face doesn't fits with the previous Lara, when she was plenty of fear because she didn't knew what the hel was happening in that place (Yamatai) and never before she killed nobody ...
And this face looks like being an Assassin was her job since 5 years old ... so C'mon!!

So, I want her previous face expressions/feelings back !! ...

CakeLuv
11th Dec 2013, 21:17
So, I want her previous face expressions/feelings back !! ...

lol, you haven't even seen the new face in a truly emotional scenario but you feel that just because she looks angry instead of about to pee face she suddenly is emotionless in the whole game?... right, you people are hopeless.

MissBrandy
11th Dec 2013, 21:28
lol, you haven't even seen the new face in a truly emotional scenario but you feel that just because she looks angry instead of about to pee face she suddenly is emotionless in the whole game?... right, you people are hopeless.

I don't agree with playing a game with it's main character being in one way and few months later having the same game with the main character in another way ....
Ok, a new face? well, give it the same expressions as previous but with those new features...

VaBanes
11th Dec 2013, 21:42
right, you people are hopeless.
What's the point of saying things like that? Everyone can have an opinion, right?
I could just say the same about you because I don't think the way you do.

CakeLuv
11th Dec 2013, 21:42
I don't agree with playing a game with it's main character being in one way and few months later having the same game with the main character in another way ....

Don't buy it then. lol


What's the point of saying things like that? Everyone can have an opinion, right?
I could just say the same about you because I don't think the way you do.

I meant that it's hopeless that you start saying Lara look emotionless because her eyebrows are kinda arched now, and her lips look shiny.

EDIT: let me be more clear, I think it's hopeless for you to make a serious comment on Lara's face based on how her lips are shiny and her eyebrows arched. ;D

pirate1802
12th Dec 2013, 02:53
let me be more clear, I think it's hopeless for you to make a serious comment on Lara's face based on how her lips are shiny and her eyebrows arched. ;D

Not just that, look at other comparison pics from the radio tower. Old lara shows different emotions in each picture while the new one basically remains the same in the last pic as she was in the first. So its not just based on glossy lips and arched brows.

Metalrocks
12th Dec 2013, 06:17
Not just that, look at other comparison pics from the radio tower. Old lara shows different emotions in each picture while the new one basically remains the same in the last pic as she was in the first. So its not just based on glossy lips and arched brows.

exactly.
upgrading a face is all nice but it doenst mean that the main features have to suffer from it like the emotions and even the dirt and scars we see so clearly with the original lara, wile the new one you hardly see them anymore.
also the bandage in the gif we have been given. where is it?

MissBrandy
15th Dec 2013, 14:28
also the bandage in the gif we have been given. where is it?

wow...I didn't noticed that ...I was paying more attention to her face and asking me ''wth I'm missing out about that face'' ? :lol:

CakeLuv
15th Dec 2013, 17:37
Not just that, look at other comparison pics from the radio tower. Old lara shows different emotions in each picture while the new one basically remains the same in the last pic as she was in the first. So its not just based on glossy lips and arched brows.

Her emotions are there, it's just more subtle.

Oh gods, why am I still posting here, you people will keep saying the same stuff...

a_big_house
15th Dec 2013, 17:45
^ Without seeing proper footage too ;)

XylophoneDealers
15th Dec 2013, 19:50
I don't particularly see why we are arguing about Lara's appearance, especially when Crystal Dynamica tried to veer away from appearance! Lara is Lara and, she's still beautiful anyways and her appearance should in no way affect her personality. So IMO she is amazing any way.