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Dead-Eye
12th Oct 2011, 19:14
It's the start of a whole new cleaner nicer world! :D

Just thought, I'd drop some bomb shells for the Deus Ex fanboys and fangirls. "Got'ch'a conspiracy newz aheadz of da rest" -GangsterDeusEx? The wonderful world of free energy just got a one up. Cold Fusion is myth no more; although everyone's talking about the revolution against the Illuminati on the news, so they aren't really talking about the revolution in non-C02 emission, cheap as dirt, energy production. But Conspiracy theorist know better, when the media looks one way, you look the other. That's where you find something that will take everyone off guard when they find out about it.

In this case it's Cold Fusion (http://pesn.com/2011/10/08/9501929_E-Cat_Test_Validates_Cold_Fusion_Despite_Challenges/).
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Basically, on the 6th of Oct, 2011, Andrea Rossi proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Cold Fusion is real and that he's ready to take it to the market now. The implications are enormous. We are talking about almost limitless energy from 50grams of hydrogen and 50grams of nickel that could heat and power your home all winter long. Steam engines will make a return as you can power your car on just water for years without refueling the reactor. Airplanes, trucks, boats, cars could all be engineered to have near unlimited range and deep space travel is now a reality.

It really reminds me of the deep underlying lesson of Deus Ex. It wasn't what we do about the conspiracy, it was what do we do after we defeat them? The way I see it, society needs to change. We can't continue to be a greedocracy, the world needs to evolve into a giveocracy. In the not too distant future, corporations are going to find themselves competing with organizations that can give away whatever they are selling for free. If the system keeps basing individual survival on economic value then everything is going to go to hell in a hand-basket. We need to realize that a persons economic value is limitless, as such it makes good investment sense to keep people alive, healthy and happy because there economic potential is unknowable. Also if everyone was taken care of the world would probably be a lot more peaceful place.

jeyeichkey
12th Oct 2011, 19:28
If this could be done until, or even before, 2027, I would be very impressed. But that is only 16 years away.
People are starting to change slowly, but I think that we need to be more aware about what is happening around us and start to question and try to do things for the better, with the interest of many in mind (instead of only the individual).

Interesting that there were (what I pressume) one italian and two swedish in the clip. Guess where I come from :^)

Something to think about in the meaning of change. The program QI claims that meat will be difficult to come by in the year 2030 (19 years from now) and that humans have to eat insects to get the necessary protein. 2 billion of us already eats insects.

Totalchicken
12th Oct 2011, 19:39
ooo I like this

Dead-Eye
12th Oct 2011, 20:09
Real Time updates about the test:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:Real-Time_Updates_on_the_October_6%2C_2011_E-Cat_Test
http://i.imgur.com/WI8FOh.png

Agent Denton
12th Oct 2011, 20:41
The best thing this man can do is pray he can keep it private and not be bought out by big oil and big gas. Then find a way to introduce it to the market and let the supply and demand cycle begin. While I am not a fan of nuclear power, it would drive down the costs of gas and oil substantially. I love innovators as they are very inspiring. I hope he can keep the trans-nationalists hands off his work the same way Sarif did. This is good news indeed just from the stand point of what it can do for energy prices. I don't buy into the whole man made global warming theory as it has done too much to discredit itself, but from a market standpoint this is a good thing for consumers.

jeyeichkey
12th Oct 2011, 21:08
@Agent Denton
Maybe we just have to send our best augmented agent to take care of the bad guys for us ;^)

Agent Denton
12th Oct 2011, 21:14
@Agent Denton
Maybe we just have to send our best augmented agent to take care of the bad guys for us ;^)

"Corporations have more power than the government...... I don't even know whos side I'm on.......... if you want to make enemies....... try to change something. " :D

jeyeichkey
12th Oct 2011, 21:22
@Agent Denton
Indeed they have. They might even be running the show instead of the so called 'democraticly chosen government'. That's why I just love organizations like the Gesundheit! Institute (http://www.patchadams.org/) which does medical treatment for free, among other things. More organizations like that and the world would be rather nice, in a utopia kind of way.

4n7
12th Oct 2011, 21:29
Real Time updates about the test:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:Real-Time_Updates_on_the_October_6%2C_2011_E-Cat_Test
http://i.imgur.com/WI8FOh.png

got time to wait........

4n7
12th Oct 2011, 21:30
"Corporations have more power than the government...... I don't even know whos side I'm on.......... if you want to make enemies....... try to change something. " :D

how much u get ?!!!!! :p

Agent Denton
12th Oct 2011, 21:38
@Agent Denton
Indeed they have. They might even be running the show instead of the so called 'democraticly chosen government'. That's why I just love organizations like the Gesundheit! Institute (http://www.patchadams.org/) which does medical treatment for free, among other things. More organizations like that and the world would be rather nice, in a utopia kind of way.

I do believe that man is good and if left to his own means will act in his own self interest and most of the time do the right thing. The fact that there are organizations out there like this proves it. It is the system of corporatism and welfareism that must be rejected and attacked. Not sure if a utopia could ever exist due to the different views and beliefs people have, mainly in the name of 'God'. Could we have a better society and a more prosperous one? Absolutely. But it will take getting government out of the private sector.

4n7
12th Oct 2011, 21:46
I do believe that man is good and if left to his own means will act in his own self interest and most of the time do the right thing. The fact that there are organizations out there like this proves it. It is the system of corporatism and welfareism that must be rejected and attacked. Not sure if a utopia could ever exist due to the different views and beliefs people have, mainly in the name of 'God'. Could we have a better society and a more prosperous one? Absolutely. But it will take getting government out of the private sector.

i think for mass and they think for me......

4n7
12th Oct 2011, 21:50
going DEEP TO WORLD OF WARCAFT !!!!!!!!!!

4n7
12th Oct 2011, 21:54
no argue.

Agent Denton
12th Oct 2011, 21:58
going DEEP TO WORLD OF WARCAFT !!!!!!!!!!


no argue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1mvN6lU0oU

Dead-Eye
13th Oct 2011, 05:09
You guys know what this means right? Steam Punk will... return (Or start existing, I guess :scratch:):
http://photoshopcontest.com/images/large/d62bxmjf7kz4itmr1huimr0dwl51l3sx0b0j.jpg

In the mythical battles between the Luddites and the post-humanists, that some believe will happen in the future (Like DX3). The Luddites could all have Cold Fusion reactors, but they don't call them cold fusion reactors, they call them Alchemy drives. And the Post-Humanists will be all like, Alchemy doesn't exist, and via their corporate sponsors they will fund bogus science to discredit it. Then, kinda like the Vatican they will send out scientist hit men that kill in the name of their beloved Science.

It's gonna be like Cyberpunk vs. Steampunk yo! Eco machines that run on water vs. Adam Jensen controlled by the Illuminati Oil industry/Energy Industry/NATO/Fed/Mason/whatever. Although, if I have learned anything from video games it's that, if there is a battle between Steampunk and Cyberpunk, the corporations are always evil. :p

Romeo
13th Oct 2011, 05:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1mvN6lU0oU
36 seconds.

I hate you as a human being right now. :D

MaxxQ1
13th Oct 2011, 06:19
36 seconds.

I hate you as a human being right now. :D

:rasp: 8 seconds

Just to make it up to you, since you like cars:

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jeyeichkey
13th Oct 2011, 07:57
@Romeo, MaxxQ1
Oh, I'm the only one that would actually listen through it all? Because I kind of like that. ;^)

@Agent Denton
I think many agree upon doing something, but that something should be... what? I think that is why we are stuck in this capitalism thinking. Not sure it would be a solution to create laws for rich people to be forced to donate their money. They would probably only donate the money to their own "helpless and in need" specially created organization for bosses who can't recieve unnecessary amounts of money.
Or like the owner of IKEA, Ingvar Kamprad who is "very nice" in donations.... has been known to donate to the new nazi foundation. Mmm.. lovely. He has also been accused of keeping his money outside Swedish borders therefore he doesn't need to pay his taxes like everybody else (which is 50% of what he makes since he is rich, 30-33% of their paychecks for others who make small amount of money.)

Agent Denton
13th Oct 2011, 12:31
36 seconds.

I hate you as a human being right now. :D

You mean you didn't sit through all 9 minutes?!?!

:naughty:

That is the ULTIMATE TROLL video. IMO.

Dead-Eye
13th Oct 2011, 16:55
I think we need to just get rid of money all together. Money is a fundamental hindrance on human prosperity, a way of judging us and separating us by social economic disadvantage. With this machine we have the potential to create abundance, no body needs to be hungry, cold, homeless or any of that ever again. Yet with money, we will always be locked into the mentality of who has how much. Instead we should just have a system of mutual credit (I.E. I'll give you that soup can, on the basis that you will give me something about as valuable at an undisclosed point in the future). Industry would be tied together by mutual agreements of people to combine their economic potential together for the better good, and all of your needs should be taken care of locally.

If we really need money in this new globule society, I say use batteries that are always valuable and anyone can produce.

Agent Denton
13th Oct 2011, 16:59
I think we need to just get rid of money all together. Money is a fundamental hindrance on human prosperity, a way of judging us and separating us by social economic disadvantage. With this machine we have the potential to create abundance, no body needs to be hungry, cold, homeless or any of that ever again. Yet with money, we will always be locked into the mentality of who has how much. Instead we should just have a system of mutual credit (I.E. I'll give you that soup can, on the basis that you will give me something about as valuable at an undisclosed point in the future). Industry would be tied together by mutual agreements of people to combine their economic potential together for the better good, and all of your needs should be taken care of locally.

If we really need money in this new globule society, I say use batteries that are always valuable and anyone can produce.

Sounds like socialism to me..... which the USSR proved and Europe is proving, that it does not work. What would work best for society would be something along the lines of moral capitalism. I know hard to picture those two words in the same sentence. Money is a motivator for innovators to produce. That is the bottom line. Take away the incentive to produce and you are left with..... well....... a bunch of lazy people who do nothing but consume.

drunkrussian9
13th Oct 2011, 17:31
When is someone going to make a car powered by this . . . that's like a million dollar idea, although it is far fetched . . .

Agent Denton
13th Oct 2011, 17:44
When is someone going to make a car powered by this . . . that's like a million dollar idea, although it is far fetched . . .

Check out Tesla Motors roadster. Last I read up on that ting it only has like 6 - 10 moving parts. And it's electric. :D

JCpies
13th Oct 2011, 18:09
I hope he doesn't get murdered by some power hungry corporation.

drunkrussian9
13th Oct 2011, 18:44
Check out Tesla Motors roadster. Last I read up on that ting it only has like 6 - 10 moving parts. And it's electric. :D
I well aware of electric cars. None of them come even close to being interesting. 250 miles on a battery that weights 1000 lbs? No thanks.

Agent Denton
13th Oct 2011, 18:59
I well aware of electric cars. None of them come even close to being interesting. 250 miles on a battery that weights 1000 lbs? No thanks.

The fact that your the engine does not go through wear and tear of today's cars and the fact that all the moving parts component has been significantly decreased doesn't do anything for you eh? As a car enthusiast I find it fascinating that we can make these kind of improvements. Now the government just needs to GTFO of the way and let businesses compete!

jeyeichkey
13th Oct 2011, 19:14
@Agent Denton, Dead-Eye
About money being motivation... Sometimes it works just like that, but not always. It doesn't have to be either this or that. It could be a mixture of both.
Very interesting presentation about motivation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

drunkrussian9
13th Oct 2011, 20:31
The fact that your the engine does not go through wear and tear of today's cars and the fact that all the moving parts component has been significantly decreased doesn't do anything for you eh? As a car enthusiast I find it fascinating that we can make these kind of improvements. Now the government just needs to GTFO of the way and let businesses compete!
Wear and tear still happens, lipo batteries are known to explode if not treated correctly... electronics overheat and software has bugs. I'm all for simplicity, but think about it; there are millions of things going on behind the scenes of these cars that are completely out of your control. In my car, all I have to worry about is TC and ABS.

For the average guy trying to get some more power out of his car, will electric cars even have upgrade options? I can understand software tuning but even that will be ridiculously hard to crack, even more so than today's ECUs, which are already notorious for taking years after release to modify... now imagine a car as complex as the tesla; seems near impossible. It'll put a lot of people off.

I just want gas prices to drop, so I do hope that these technologies will become easier and cheaper to manufacture.

Agent Denton
13th Oct 2011, 20:54
Wear and tear still happens, lipo batteries are known to explode if not treated correctly... electronics overheat and software has bugs. I'm all for simplicity, but think about it; there are millions of things going on behind the scenes of these cars that are completely out of your control. In my car, all I have to worry about is TC and ABS.

For the average guy trying to get some more power out of his car, will electric cars even have upgrade options? I can understand software tuning but even that will be ridiculously hard to crack, even more so than today's ECUs, which are already notorious for taking years after release to modify... now imagine a car as complex as the tesla; seems near impossible. It'll put a lot of people off.

I just want gas prices to drop, so I do hope that these technologies will become easier and cheaper to manufacture.

There will always be a secondary market for any product. Except Apple.... :D But joking aside, if you want gas prices to come down then root for alternative cars. Then big oil will have to tighten it's belt and actually compete. Competition drives down prices. A far as the secondary modding market goes..... anything can be modded. Now how much money it will take to get said mods is a different story. But the market rules are still the same. Whenever products are introduced, there is almost always a secondary market that emerges. I would also say that more goes on in today's engine as far as revolutions per minute, ECU's, fluids, friction, today's cars have more moving parts than a Tesla. I am with you though, I prefer gas as the laws of physics still dictate it is the best way to get power out of your vehicle, but as an enthusiast, I welcome a new car to the market. Drives down prices. :D

itsonyourhead
14th Oct 2011, 02:31
It's been "achieved" before. My piano teacher's father was a scientist working on perfecting cold fusion using a similar if not the same technique. Nickle and hydrogen. I don't know exactly how it was supposed to work. But it turned our that there was some confounding variable that made him think fusion was occurring when it wasn't. Sounds kinda far fetched I know, but believe it or not, my piano teacher was actually had a PhD in chemistry before leaving the workforce (quite awhile ago) due to gender pressures (yes, she is really really old).

drunkrussian9
14th Oct 2011, 02:50
There will always be a secondary market for any product. Except Apple.... :D But joking aside, if you want gas prices to come down then root for alternative cars. Then big oil will have to tighten it's belt and actually compete. Competition drives down prices. A far as the secondary modding market goes..... anything can be modded. Now how much money it will take to get said mods is a different story. But the market rules are still the same. Whenever products are introduced, there is almost always a secondary market that emerges. I would also say that more goes on in today's engine as far as revolutions per minute, ECU's, fluids, friction, today's cars have more moving parts than a Tesla. I am with you though, I prefer gas as the laws of physics still dictate it is the best way to get power out of your vehicle, but as an enthusiast, I welcome a new car to the market. Drives down prices. :D
Agreed. And the hum of an electric motor will never bring the same essence that a sports car exhaust rumble will.

Dead-Eye
14th Oct 2011, 03:15
Money is a motivator for innovators to produce. That is the bottom line. Take away the incentive to produce and you are left with..... well....... a bunch of lazy people who do nothing but consume.

I don't think that's true. Money is a motivator for more evil then good. Technological innovation is evaluated on it's potential for military applications rather then civil applications. Countries go to war over resources and land in pursuit of greater riches. These wars cause more harm then good; Actually they don't do anything good at all.

To end war you need to provide for everyone's needs both physical and physiological. Thus not only do we need to get ride of money but we need to get ride of they very idea that someone can be "rich" or someone can be "poor" as these create the physiological conditions for one to be "lazy"

itsonyourhead
14th Oct 2011, 03:27
Wow. So Steam-Punk is the future. Interesting. Steam powered cars... Deus Ex: Human Revolution is already dated...

JCpies
14th Oct 2011, 05:54
Do many car companies profit from petrol sales?

Even though I doubt it, the quicker petrol and gas is phased out, the better. Oh and we need smaller cars too, like Smart cars. I'm tired of frequently seeing one person in a five person car, think of the space that could be saved.

One day I want to be able to walk home without constantly inhaling disgusting fumes.

Agent Denton
14th Oct 2011, 13:30
I don't think that's true. Money is a motivator for more evil then good. Technological innovation is evaluated on it's potential for military applications rather then civil applications. Countries go to war over resources and land in pursuit of greater riches. These wars cause more harm then good; Actually they don't do anything good at all.

To end war you need to provide for everyone's needs both physical and physiological. Thus not only do we need to get ride of money but we need to get ride of they very idea that someone can be "rich" or someone can be "poor" as these create the physiological conditions for one to be "lazy"

Who said anything about war? If you want to shift to that aspect then we can go there. My stance on war is: War is the biggest waste of human capital. Money is not the root of wars however. The cause of wars? Look to NATO, the US government, and the military industrial complex. Now that it is clear that neither you or I believe in war, let's get back to my point about money being a motivator.

How do you think the very computer that let's us post on these forums came about? Capitalism. Those fancy iPODS that are all the rave, while they serve no benefit to society, those too came about because of capitalism. Same with the T.V., the automobile, the cellular phone, the pacemaker that keeps granny's ticker in check, all these came about because of Capitalism. Henry Ford may have had a vision but when he designed the assembly line to make automobile manufacturing more efficient, I don't think he was thumbing his nose at the profits, fame, and glory that ensued. There are good people in this world and bad people, some of which are motivated by money. I am not saying everyone is, but most people are. Hell if my boss came to me and said, "Dan, you have been doing one hell of a job in system support. I am giving you a %20 raise." While I am already pretty efficient at my job, that kind of bump, be it as unrealistic as it is, my boss would want two more of me after it was all said and done. Profits and pay are excellent motivators to produce. If you take enough from producers and leave them with less so you can give to another group of people then guess what? You get less producers and more moochers. Look to France for an example. A lot of their GDP comes from government work. Any educated person knows government does not produce anything. Government only destroys wealth. But that is going down another path so I will stop there.

Agent Denton
14th Oct 2011, 13:35
Do many car companies profit from petrol sales?

Even though I doubt it, the quicker petrol and gas is phased out, the better. Oh and we need smaller cars too, like Smart cars. I'm tired of frequently seeing one person in a five person car, think of the space that could be saved.

One day I want to be able to walk home without constantly inhaling disgusting fumes.

While you are entitled to your opinion your statement is so collectivist it makes me want to spew carbon monoxide fumes all over it. I happen to like my 3.5L 2008 Acura TL because it has a big and powerful engine. Not everyone wants a roller skate ***gy smart car. Those things are so unsafe compared to a good size coup or sedan. Who cares if someone is in a bigger car? If you can afford it then go for it. If you want alternative car that's great, but saying everyone should make the transition is so near fascism it's crazy. It would be good for the market to have alternative energy cars for people who want them. It will also drive down the price of standard automobiles. As far as the last part of breathing disgusting fumes, would you suggest that manufacturing be ceased as well? The economic consequences would be dire.

LkMax
14th Oct 2011, 15:39
I'm tired of this socialist bull*****. People are different and need to be treated as such. I don't like how there is poor people with no money or enough food to live nor I like the constant war (outside video-games, of course :p) that our world live in, but neither are caused by money but instead by the greedy people that do whatever is necessary to gain power, be it in the form of coins or physical material (like jewels, hats, potatoes, whatever, doesn't matter).

Competiton is necessary if you want fast progression (and healthy if done well, avoiding 'anti-ethical' moves). I don't think banning money would solve the problems you're pointing.

@Topic: That's really interesting, I hope it turn out to be viable in large scale.


Who said anything about war? If you want to shift to that aspect then we can go there. My stance on war is: War is the biggest waste of human capital. Money is not the root of wars however. The cause of wars? Look to NATO, the US government, and the military industrial complex. Now that it is clear that neither you or I believe in war, let's get back to my point about money being a motivator.

How do you think the very computer that let's us post on these forums came about? Capitalism. Those fancy iPODS that are all the rave, while they serve no benefit to society, those too came about because of capitalism. Same with the T.V., the automobile, the cellular phone, the pacemaker that keeps granny's ticker in check, all these came about because of Capitalism. Henry Ford may have had a vision but when he designed the assembly line to make automobile manufacturing more efficient, I don't think he was thumbing his nose at the profits, fame, and glory that ensued. There are good people in this world and bad people, some of which are motivated by money. I am not saying everyone is, but most people are. Hell if my boss came to me and said, "Dan, you have been doing one hell of a job in system support. I am giving you a %20 raise." While I am already pretty efficient at my job, that kind of bump, be it as unrealistic as it is, my boss would want two more of me after it was all said and done. Profits and pay are excellent motivators to produce. If you take enough from producers and leave them with less so you can give to another group of people then guess what? You get less producers and more moochers. Look to France for an example. A lot of their GDP comes from government work. Any educated person knows government does not produce anything. Government only destroys wealth. But that is going down another path so I will stop there.
:thumb: This.

Dead-Eye
15th Oct 2011, 18:29
Who said anything about war? If you want to shift to that aspect then we can go there. My stance on war is: War is the biggest waste of human capital. Money is not the root of wars however. The cause of wars? Look to NATO, the US government, and the military industrial complex. Now that it is clear that neither you or I believe in war, let's get back to my point about money being a motivator.

I know it might sound hard to believe, but the reality whether you choice to believe it or not, is that these wars even WWII are created for profit by the same people running the monetary system.



There are good people in this world and bad people, some of which are motivated by money. I am not saying everyone is, but most people are. Hell if my boss came to me and said, "Dan, you have been doing one hell of a job in system support. I am giving you a %20 raise." While I am already pretty efficient at my job, that kind of bump, be it as unrealistic as it is, my boss would want two more of me after it was all said and done. Profits and pay are excellent motivators to produce.
Why do you need a job?

The very ideology of needing a "Job" to keep yourself alive is wrong. The capitalist job mentality is not very different from the communist slave mentality. Both make you a slave to a system of fictionalized time, you are forced to do "something" for the benefit of the state. However unlike communism where they throw you in jail if you don't do your job, in capitalism they throw you in a mental institution, then jail, if you don't do your job. Really both Communism and Capitalism are the same, they both exploit man. The difference is in how they apply fear to make sure you stay in line; Communism enforces brutality while Capitalism enforces fear mongering. I say we need a system where no one exploits man; where man is free to do what he wants, when he wants, however he choices to do what he wants to do and if someone has a problem with it then we deal with it on its own accord.

If man choices to do nothing but sit around and eat, sleep and watch T.V. than I say he's got a right to do it. If anything, real, true, pure freedom begins when one has the ability to do nothing at all.



If you take enough from producers and leave them with less so you can give to another group of people then guess what? You get less producers and more moochers. Look to France for an example. A lot of their GDP comes from government work. Any educated person knows government does not produce anything. Government only destroys wealth. But that is going down another path so I will stop there.

I am not calling for higher taxation on the wealthy, or more regulation by government. The innovation of Cold Fusion allows the possibility for unlimited production at next to zero investment, save labor costs and land rights. Thus the issue of needing to work to survive has become less relevant. Capitalism is based on the idea that you need to work to survive, same with communism: yet technology, which has nothing to do with Capitalism or Communism, is increasingly showing that the idea that you need to work to survive is less relevant today then it has ever been.

Technological innovation is done by the top 3% of our generation and their reasoning is always the same: It is to make life easier for someone, somehow (Even in military technology where they make it increasingly easier for someone to kill someone else). Thus, the issue really has nothing to do with Capitalism or Communism but making life easier for everyone or harder for everyone.

If we make life easier for everyone then we make life easier for ourselves, if we make life easier for ourselves at the expense of making life harder for others, then we make life harder for everyone.

We need a system that makes life easier for everyone, a system that makes nobody a slave to time, that doesn't need taxes to thrive. It needs to be run by volunteers with no monetary interest in self preservation. Regulations should only really deal with property rights and civil disputes, and corporations should stop being legal persons. It needs to be connected with nature and the natural world, keeping the natural biodiversity of the planet balanced and protecting the environment and public health from ecological catastrophes done by corporations in the name of profit. It can't use force to get its way because it must always operate under the possibility that it might be wrong in it's decision making. Rather enforcement of law should come from the people; by designated militia that operate interdependently but in solidarity with the cause of the republic. Everyone must be considered independent but unified in the cause to make life easier for all and to protect our planet from catastrophes.

I think this will come about naturally. When money loses it's value the people will turn to alternative government and the state will lose its legitimacy to govern, at which point we will ether turn to a path of Utopia or Dystopia, I'm optimistic that we are headed for Utopia.

In the not too distant future Africans and Canadians will be leading the world in the next level of aviation and fright transport. Utilizing solar powered airships (http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2011/10/15/look-up-in-the-sky-its-an-airship-its-an-airplane-no-its-solar-ship/) we are going to see entire transformations of markets in 3ed world economies, and life is going to get better for everyone.

BobTheSpy
15th Oct 2011, 18:38
Fake. So fake. People claim to discover "Cold Fusion" and "Free energy" all the ****in' time. It never turns out to be anything, it's always bogus.

JCpies
15th Oct 2011, 18:38
If you want alternative car that's great, but saying everyone should make the transition is so near fascism it's crazy.

Well yeah, when I rule the world it'll be one large fascist state. But don't worry, it'll be "kind" fascism.

I already have a list of things to ban, limit and phase out.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5165/5260106747_a64f44d0ca_z.jpg

jeyeichkey
15th Oct 2011, 19:10
http://www.biketastic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/runs-on-fat.jpg
http://www.biketastic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/runs-on-fat.jpg
:^D

Dead-Eye
15th Oct 2011, 19:13
Fake. So fake. People claim to discover "Cold Fusion" and "Free energy" all the ****in' time. It never turns out to be anything, it's always bogus.

Actually it's the other way around:
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uWOxnXKB8VQ

Dead-Eye
16th Oct 2011, 04:20
The Singularity is near (http://pesn.com/2011/10/15/9501934_Cheap_power--An_overnight_revolution--commentary/)

BobTheSpy
16th Oct 2011, 18:23
Actually it's the other way around:
OibqdwHyZxk
uWOxnXKB8VQ


When an independent science journal supports these claims - I'll believe you.

Dead-Eye
16th Oct 2011, 21:41
When an independent science journal supports these claims - I'll believe you.
lol! No, you won't (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/17/60minutes/main4952167.shtml), come on get real.

Agent Denton
17th Oct 2011, 18:17
I know it might sound hard to believe, but the reality whether you choice to believe it or not, is that these wars even WWII are created for profit by the same people running the monetary system.


Why do you need a job?

The very ideology of needing a "Job" to keep yourself alive is wrong. The capitalist job mentality is not very different from the communist slave mentality. Both make you a slave to a system of fictionalized time, you are forced to do "something" for the benefit of the state. However unlike communism where they throw you in jail if you don't do your job, in capitalism they throw you in a mental institution, then jail, if you don't do your job. Really both Communism and Capitalism are the same, they both exploit man. The difference is in how they apply fear to make sure you stay in line; Communism enforces brutality while Capitalism enforces fear mongering. I say we need a system where no one exploits man; where man is free to do what he wants, when he wants, however he choices to do what he wants to do and if someone has a problem with it then we deal with it on its own accord.

If man choices to do nothing but sit around and eat, sleep and watch T.V. than I say he's got a right to do it. If anything, real, true, pure freedom begins when one has the ability to do nothing at all.



I am not calling for higher taxation on the wealthy, or more regulation by government. The innovation of Cold Fusion allows the possibility for unlimited production at next to zero investment, save labor costs and land rights. Thus the issue of needing to work to survive has become less relevant. Capitalism is based on the idea that you need to work to survive, same with communism: yet technology, which has nothing to do with Capitalism or Communism, is increasingly showing that the idea that you need to work to survive is less relevant today then it has ever been.

Technological innovation is done by the top 3% of our generation and their reasoning is always the same: It is to make life easier for someone, somehow (Even in military technology where they make it increasingly easier for someone to kill someone else). Thus, the issue really has nothing to do with Capitalism or Communism but making life easier for everyone or harder for everyone.

If we make life easier for everyone then we make life easier for ourselves, if we make life easier for ourselves at the expense of making life harder for others, then we make life harder for everyone.

We need a system that makes life easier for everyone, a system that makes nobody a slave to time, that doesn't need taxes to thrive. It needs to be run by volunteers with no monetary interest in self preservation. Regulations should only really deal with property rights and civil disputes, and corporations should stop being legal persons. It needs to be connected with nature and the natural world, keeping the natural biodiversity of the planet balanced and protecting the environment and public health from ecological catastrophes done by corporations in the name of profit. It can't use force to get its way because it must always operate under the possibility that it might be wrong in it's decision making. Rather enforcement of law should come from the people; by designated militia that operate interdependently but in solidarity with the cause of the republic. Everyone must be considered independent but unified in the cause to make life easier for all and to protect our planet from catastrophes.

I think this will come about naturally. When money loses it's value the people will turn to alternative government and the state will lose its legitimacy to govern, at which point we will ether turn to a path of Utopia or Dystopia, I'm optimistic that we are headed for Utopia.

In the not too distant future Africans and Canadians will be leading the world in the next level of aviation and fright transport. Utilizing solar powered airships (http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2011/10/15/look-up-in-the-sky-its-an-airship-its-an-airplane-no-its-solar-ship/) we are going to see entire transformations of markets in 3ed world economies, and life is going to get better for everyone.


I buy into the notion that capitalism, not to be confused with crony capitalism, makes life better for everyone. Capitalism is nothing like communism. As a matter of fact they are polar opposites. Communism embraces social economic planning by the government, whereas capitalism embraces markets. The idea that going to work to survive is wrong? Well what would you suggest in it's place? That society takes care of you simply because you exist? I am sorry but you have to some with something better than that. I agree with your point about corporations getting the same rights as an individual. I also agree that people need to hold themselves and businesses to higher standards. Other than that, I find your whole argument of this pretend utopia laughable. In order to achieve that you have to deal with human nature which it has been proven you cannot contain it. And again I go back to my original point, what is it that let's us come together and ***** on these forums? Your PC/Laptop came about becasue of capitalism. That is fact and not rhetoric. Communism would never allow you as an individual to do what capitalism does.

BobTheSpy
17th Oct 2011, 23:23
lol! No, you won't (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/17/60minutes/main4952167.shtml), come on get real.

That's not a science journal, and if it is actually published in one, I will. Seriously. And don't tell me that science journals are "part of a conspiracy."

EDIT: Actually, it appears the Pentagon have been funding some of these experiments. So there may be some credence to your claim, but I'm still not buying it.

Agent Denton
18th Oct 2011, 13:05
Well yeah, when I rule the world it'll be one large fascist state. But don't worry, it'll be "kind" fascism.

I already have a list of things to ban, limit and phase out.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5165/5260106747_a64f44d0ca_z.jpg

Biking is ok, if that's what YOU prefer. But your busy body nature of worrying about everyone else is frowned upon in my part of the globe.


http://www.biketastic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/runs-on-fat.jpg
http://www.biketastic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/runs-on-fat.jpg
:^D

Again, biking is cool but this propaganda that bikes are better is just silly. Bikes are a thing of the past, people do it for the exercise sure, but what about people who drive these "awful" works of technology and either own a gym membership and/or workout? You cats are trolling now.

itsonyourhead
18th Oct 2011, 14:52
Biking is ok, if that's what YOU prefer. But your busy body nature of worrying about everyone else is frowned upon in my part of the globe.



Again, biking is cool but this propaganda that bikes are better is just silly. Bikes are a thing of the past, people do it for the exercise sure, but what about people who drive these "awful" works of technology and either own a gym membership and/or workout? You cats are trolling now.

I used to bike to and from school every day. It turned a 20 minute drive into a 50 minute ride, but it saved me 1000 dollars over the course of the year in gas alone (not mentioning car repairs). All I had to do was buy some equipment like a rack and net for 30 dollars. The bike itself cost me 350$ when I got it. Still come out ahead. And I was in pretty damn good shape by the end of the year. And I still have a great bike.

Unfortunately, my knees went cablooey and I haven't been able to ride since. Still, it was nice while I had it.

Agent Denton
18th Oct 2011, 17:39
I used to bike to and from school every day. It turned a 20 minute drive into a 50 minute ride, but it saved me 1000 dollars over the course of the year in gas alone (not mentioning car repairs). All I had to do was buy some equipment like a rack and net for 30 dollars. The bike itself cost me 350$ when I got it. Still come out ahead. And I was in pretty damn good shape by the end of the year. And I still have a great bike.

Unfortunately, my knees went cablooey and I haven't been able to ride since. Still, it was nice while I had it.

Knees aside, that is great you were able to do that. What I fail to comprehend is this mentality that people who drive cars need to get smaller cars or ride bikes because some people do not like it or disagree with it. I can't stand that kind of collectivist hive mind thinking. If you can't afford a nice car, don't troll other people because they can and enjoy it. Hell I prefer my big ass 3.5 L engine 6spd manual transmission b/c it's fun to drive. I prefer it over a bike, but I still enjoy riding trails and around my neighborhood to the game and convenient stores.

JCpies
18th Oct 2011, 18:00
I can't stand that kind of collectivist hive mind thinking. If you can't afford a nice car, don't troll other people because they can and enjoy it.

???

In my country it's almost a given for people to think you're going to take driving lessons as soon as you can, and get a car shortly after... The only hive mind I see is the people who assume they have to get a car once they've got to the age where they can drive.

Dead-Eye
18th Oct 2011, 20:28
The idea that going to work to survive is wrong? Well what would you suggest in it's place? That society takes care of you simply because you exist?

Society is part of the problem. We need to build a society that realizes we are a part of the natural order and that we need to sing in harmony with life. Capitalism is a game of monopoly, it start off fun when there is an abundance and everything is nice and cheap, but as the game progresses everything gets bought up and everyone tries to figure out how to kill off everyone else to get what they have. At the end of the game it's no fun anymore because someone, who everyone hates by this point, has everything and has killed everyone else at the table, and everyone else feels like throwing the monopoly board out the window.

In the real world, we are at the end of the game. There is nothing left because a very small group of people have got everything and they are trying to figure out how to get more of something that just isn't there. Yet, we have forgotten that capitalism, like monopoly, is just a game. When the game started nature gave you abundance, nature provides free energy for you to live off of. Nature is what gave you the abundance of money and property at the start of the monopoly game, so you could play your little game of capitalism in the first place, which is more about getting thrills from being superior to everyone, then anything else.

Thus, the solution is to live in harmony with nature and get the natural "god-given" abundance that nature crates by doing so. Now that's not to say we should all run up into the hills and live in tepees (although that's not a bad idea) but we need to realize that it's a personal battle as much as a social economic battle. When we tune ourselves to nature our desires change, we find that what we thought we wanted we didn't really want after all, and that what we really wanted was to live in harmony with nature, to live peacefully with all things. Because then you are free to express yourself as the full and true potential of what you are, what nature created you to be.

Our society is an abomination to the natural world. We are disconnected from nature and reconnected to the artificial world of money. Money is the key that keeps us trapped in a world disconnected from nature. Where once their was abundance provided by nature, now there is scarcity that keeps you locked into the wage slave system of capitalism or communism or socialism or whatever. People are completely disconnected from nature; instead they are connected to a clock with an artificial representation of time, they are connected to a wage system with an artificial system of self worth. They are not real systems of time and they are not real system of self worth, they are things created by people to rig the system in their favor. To make you their salve by taking what is there naturally and tricking you into giving them something for something you have as much ownership over as them.

No, society needs massive reforms or it needs to be abolished. We need to go back to living like our Native American ancestors did before the nation was ravaged by greed. That's not to say technology is an enemy, quit the contrary, technology can be good or bad dependent on how it is implemented. We have the knowledge and the ability to create technology that can mimic the natural order of things. By using technology to create abundance we are in fact creating technology that is in harmony with nature. Thus, we can use technology to facilitate the process of revitalizing our planet from the ecological destruction created by man and help to create a better life for people, animals and the earth.


???

In my country it's almost a given for people to think you're going to take driving lessons as soon as you can, and get a car shortly after... The only hive mind I see is the people who assume they have to get a car once they've got to the age where they can drive.
Damn straight! Cars are so 20th century, Hybrid Airships are the 21st century!
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Also because I don't want to start a new thread so I'll just post this here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15305579
Apparently, Bio-electrical energy is right around the corner.

Edit:
http://pesn.com/2011/10/18/9501935_Philippine_DOST_Report_of_Aviso_Overunity_Electric_Vehicle/