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xaduha
18th Feb 2011, 06:00
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So. Here's my proposition.
You have 150 points which you distribute among 5-15 games. And some time later we aggregate all lists into final one.
Game with most points gets first place and so on.

Deus Ex 25
Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 15
Baldur's Gate II 15
Planescape: Torment 15
Fallout 2 15
Unreal Tournament (UT99) 15
Team Fortress 2 10
Arcanum 10
Diablo II 10
Morrowind 10
Left 4 Dead 2 10

Senka
18th Feb 2011, 06:51
cbf doing the points thing, this is roughly in order first to last.


Deus Ex
STALKER: SOC
Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect
The Witcher
Dragon Age: Origins
Penumbra: Overture
Dark Messiah
Penumbra: Black Plague
Amnesia: The Dark Descent
Red Alert 2
STALKER: Call of Pripyat
Metro 2033
Call of Duty 4
Quake II
Quake III Arena
Hl2
Portal
FEAR 1
DCS: Black Shark
Mirror's Edge
Mount & Blade: Warband

NKD
18th Feb 2011, 07:12
Deus Ex was terrible how can you guys put it at the top of your list.

xaduha
18th Feb 2011, 07:13
Deus Ex 25
STALKER: SOC 15
Mass Effect 2 15
Mass Effect 15
The Witcher 15
Dragon Age: Origins 15
Penumbra: Overture 10
Dark Messiah 10
Penumbra: Black Plague 10
Amnesia: The Dark Descent 10
Red Alert 2 10


fixd :scratch:

it's not that hard
I need that for the combined list, you know.

150 points. 5-15 games.

biofuel
18th Feb 2011, 08:49
Deus Ex - 36
Halo: Combat Evolved - 23
Half-Life - 19
Halo 2 - 18
Halo 3 - 17
Half-Life 2 - 12
Halo: Reach - 9
Football Manager - 6
Far Cry 2 - 5
Civilization - 4
Splinter Cell - 3

Lady_Of_The_Vine
18th Feb 2011, 09:22
In no particular order:

Deus Ex -30
Thief - The Metal Age -20
Thief - The Dark Project -20
Return to Castle Wolfenstein -20
Chronicles of Riddick - Escape from Butchers Bay -20
Half Life -20
Abe's Oddysee -20

Sotsiak
18th Feb 2011, 09:32
Here's mine from the few games I have played and enjoyed..

Deus ex - 40
Sacrifice - 40
Anachronox - 30
World of Warcraft - 20
Need for Speed: Most Wanted - 20

Kvltism
18th Feb 2011, 09:45
Deus Ex - 30
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines - 20
Planescape: Torment - 20
Fallout - 20
Baldur's Gate 2 - 20
Starcraft - 20
Blade Runner - 20

There are too many "honourable mentions" to list.

DXeXodus
18th Feb 2011, 10:06
Hmmm, lets see.... :scratch:

Deus Ex - 30
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - 20
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines - 15
Chronicles of Riddick - Escape from Butcher Bay - 15
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl - 10
Fallout 1 - 10
Borderlands - 10
Half Life 1 - 10
Portal - 10
UT 99 - 10
Splinter Cell 1 - 10

That should do it :thumb:

ZakKa89
18th Feb 2011, 10:07
Shall we keep this PC only?

Half life 2 - 30
Deus ex - 30
Starcraft: BW - 20
Fallout 1 -10
Half life 1 - 10
Counterstrike - 10
Starcraft 2 - 10
Portal - 10
UT 99 - 5
Jagged Alliance 2 - 5
Duke Nukem 3d - 5
Max Payne 2 - 5


Honorable mentions
Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from butcher bay,
Mirror's Edge,
Battlefield series,
Warcraft 2,
Splinter cell
Total Annihilation
Age of empires
Carmageddon 2

I really need to play baldur's gate and bloodlines, I am just not that into magic.

SageSavage
18th Feb 2011, 10:23
Deus Ex -25
System Shock 2 -20
Ultima VII (including add-ons) -20
VtM:B -20
Thief 2 -15
GTA: VC -5
TES: Oblivion -5
Max Payne 2 -5
Monkey Island 3 -5
Fallout 3 -5
Stalker SoC -5
Battlefield 2 -5
Civilization - 5
Gran Turismo 2 -5
Red Dead Redemption -5

Umodian
18th Feb 2011, 10:55
Half-Life 2 - 30
Mass Effect 2 - 25
Deus Ex - 25
Mass Effect - 15
Half-Life - 15
Knights of the Old Republic - 10
Dragon Age: Origins - 10
Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay - 10
Battlefield: Bad Company 2 - 5
Crysis - 5

Tycho
18th Feb 2011, 11:00
Deus Ex 20
System Shock II 20
Vampire Bloodlines 15
Dragon Age Origins 15
Mass Effect 15
Knights of the Old Republik 15
Fallout III 10
Jagged Alliance III 10
Half Life 5
Counterstrike 5
Alpha Protocol 5
Thief - Deadly Shadows 5
Diablo 5
Age of Empires II 5

cya
Tycho

LisuPL
18th Feb 2011, 11:09
Deus Ex 1, System Shock 2, Half-Life 1, Fallout 1 & 2 - those games are on plance no. 1 for me.
Mass Effect series - I love it, it is a "modern" Star Wars universe for me - that has enourmous potential for CGI movies and FPS game set in this universe.
I won't distribute the points, because for me those games exclude themself from a simple point-like classification of how awesome they are:)

uberajnn
18th Feb 2011, 11:16
Deus Ex - 15
Fallout 2 - 15
Thief 2 - 10
Beneath a Steel Sky - 10
Half-Life - 10
System Shock 2 - 10
Morrowind - 10
Baldur's Gate 2 - 10
Duke Nukem 3D - 10
Grim Fandango 10
Warcraft 2 - 10
Counter-Strike - 10
Call of Duty - 10
Carmageddon - 10

ish.

Don't know why I did that, I hate these kinds of lists. :)

Sulix
18th Feb 2011, 11:26
Psychonauts - 15
Braids - 12
Fallout 1 - 11
Deus Ex - 11
Starcraft - 10
Vampire Bloodlines - 10
Portal - 10
Fallout 2 - 9
Golden Eye 007 - 9
Metal Gear Solid - 9
New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 8
Ufo - 8
Conker's Bad Fur Day - 8
The Witcher - 7
Master of Orion 2 - 7
Mass Effect - 6

Sorry, I can't kick out Mass Effect, it was a very enjoyable game in one of my favourite settings.

Brockxz
18th Feb 2011, 11:32
Deus Ex - 15
Noone Lives Forever 15
Noone Lives Forever 2 15
Halo Combat Evolved 15
Vampire The Masquerade Redemption 10
Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines 10
Diablo 2 10
Starcraft 10
Chronicles of Riddick - Escape from Butchers Bay 10
Mass Effect 10
Mass Effect 2 10
The Witcher 10
American McGee Alice 10


ok this should be my top pick but most likely i forgot something good and old i really loved but i could most likely name at least 100+ games i love (it's the size of my entire game collection).

[FGS]Shadowrunner
18th Feb 2011, 11:51
Half-Life/Opposing Force - 25
Deus Ex - 60
DXHR - ???
Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe -5 Nothing beats bringing a B-17F home on 2 engines over the North Sea
Return to Castle Wolfenstein -5
Red Baron 3D -5
Wing Commander -5
A-10 Cuba -5
Condition Zero -5
Civilization II -5
AOE -5
TNM - 5
Duke Nukem -5
SNES Shadowrun - 5
Rainbow 6 - 5
MOH - 5
COD - 5

[FGS]Shadowrunner
18th Feb 2011, 12:07
Half-Life had some sillyness, but I used to cackle insanely when I first played Duke Nukem.

IL-2 I add to my list for another 5 points.

ZakKa89
18th Feb 2011, 12:40
Holy **** I forgot duke nukem 3D and Max Payne :|

Edited my list

Count Zero
18th Feb 2011, 13:20
Deus Ex - 150:D

Mindmute
18th Feb 2011, 14:19
Deus Ex - 25
Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines - 20
Baldur's Gate II - 20
Fallout 2 - 15
Half-Life -10
Thief 2 -10
KOTOR - 10
Hitman 2 -10
Freelancer -10
Starlancer -10
Eve Online -10

thedosbox
18th Feb 2011, 15:45
Ranking games is pointless as each are a great experience in different ways.

Age of Empires 2
Beyond Good & Evil
Civilization IV
Deus Ex
Dragon Age Origins
Just Cause 2
Knights of the Old Republic
Mass Effect
No one lives forever 2
Rainbow Six:Raven Shield
Spinter Cell Chaos Theory
SWAT4
Thief - The Metal Age
Unreal Tournament

MaxxQ1
18th Feb 2011, 16:46
Fine, I'll bite, although half (or so) of the games I'm listing haven't even shown up in anyone else's list.

Deus Ex - 20
Homeworld - 15
Baldur's Gate 2 (including the expansion, Throne of Bhaal) - 15
Vampire - The Masquerade: Bloodlines - 15
FreeSpace 2 - 15
FreeSpace - 15
Grim Fandango - 10
Baldur's Gate (including Tales of the Sword Coast) - 10
Planescape: Torment - 10
Pharoah - 10
Homeworld 2 - 10
No One Lives Forever - 5

Happy
18th Feb 2011, 17:01
Here are my pics with no scores and no order:

Deus EX
Half Life
Far Cry
Beyond Good & Evil
Morrowind
NOLF (No One Lives Forever)
Thief
XCOM

Boxsmith
18th Feb 2011, 17:08
Thief 2 - 30
VtM:B - 30
Abe's Oddysee - 30
Deus Ex - 25
Escape From Butcher Bay - 25
Tiberian sun - 5
Red Alert 2 - 5

Is it possible to subtract my points from another game's? If it is, forget my list, I'd like to subtract 150 points from HL2. :p

68_pie
18th Feb 2011, 17:28
Planescape: Torment - 25
Shenmue - 25
Grim Fandango - 20
Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura - 20
Star Wars: Dark Forces - 15
Fallout 1 - 13
Star Wars: Supremacy - 12
Baldur's Gate II - 5
Deus Ex - 5
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines - 5
The Witcher - 5

Pretentious Old Man.
18th Feb 2011, 17:31
Deus Ex 50
Morrowind 20
Rome: Total War 25
Hidden and Dangerous 2 20
Mafia 10
Planesape: Torment 10
Stronghold 10
Age of Empires 2 5

68_pie
18th Feb 2011, 19:44
As of POM we have:

1 - Deus Ex
2 - VtM:B
3 - Half-Life
4 - Thief: The Metal Age
5= Planescape Torment
5= Chronicles of Riddick: EfBB
7 - Baldur's Gate 2
8 - Half-Life 2
9 - Fallout
10 - Mass Effect

Cronstintein
18th Feb 2011, 19:45
x-com: ufo ---20
battlefield2 --- 10
battlefield bad company 2 ---10
CoD MW: ---5
baldur's gate 2 ---10
fallout 2 ---10
homeworld ---10
vampire bloodlines ---5
Magic: the gathering ---5
spectromancer ---5
minecraft ---5
alpha protocol ---5
thief ---5
assassin's creed --- 5
civilization ---10
system shock 2 ---5
Deus ex ---10
mass effect ---5
mass effect 2 ---5
Dragon Age ---5

(I'm a little over 15, tough noogies!)

CoDEllite
18th Feb 2011, 20:18
So. Here's my proposition.
You have 150 points which you distribute among 5-15 games. And some time later we aggregate all lists into final one.
Game with most points gets first place and so on.

Deus Ex 25
Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 15
Baldur's Gate II 15
Planescape: Torment 15
Fallout 2 15
Unreal Tournament (UT99) 15
Team Fortress 2 10
Arcanum 10
Diablo II 10
Morrowind 10
Left 4 Dead 2 10

lol funny how the only game thats not ancient is TF 2 and Left for Dead 2 (absoltly love that game) guess it says something about the tastes in games on this forum :hmm: So yeah another vote for Left 4 Dead over here :)

SageSavage
18th Feb 2011, 20:20
Deus ex ---10

He listed DX in place 17 and gave SS2 only 5 points... Quick! Get your feathers everybody, I'll cook up some tar in the meantime.

ZakKa89
18th Feb 2011, 20:42
it's not exactly place 17, as he gave a lot of other game even numbers ;p

Mindmute
18th Feb 2011, 20:43
lol funny how the only game thats not ancient is TF 2 and Left for Dead 2 (absoltly love that game) guess it says something about the tastes in games on this forum :hmm: So yeah another vote for Left 4 Dead over here :)

Good point! How dare these... these... (I don't even know what to call these people) judge a game based on good it is rather than on new it is? How freaking dare they?!

Pinky_Powers
18th Feb 2011, 20:52
Deus Ex - 30
Half-Life 2 - 20
Knights of the Old Republic - 20
Fallout New Vegas - 20
Portal - 15
Team Fortress 2 - 15
Mass Effect - 10
Mass Effect 2 - 10
Dragon Age Origins - 10

I'm playing through Baldur's Gate II right now. It's my first time. But I can't rightly put it in this list until I have a firm understanding of it.

Knewt
18th Feb 2011, 21:03
Deus Ex
Thief 2
Divine Divinty
Fallout 3
TES - Oblivion
Red Alert
Splinter Cell - CT
Red Baron
Dungeon Siege
Red Storm Rising (My first game on Commodore 128). You always remember your first one!

Vorru
18th Feb 2011, 21:47
Dungeon Keeper - 25
Fallout 2 - 25
KOTOR - 20
Deus Ex - 20
Battlefield Bad Company 2 - 20
X-Com - 20
Elder Scrolls Morrowind - 20

These rank quite high up on a time wasted on scale.
There are more new ones though, but not many that I've spent nearly as much time with compared to these.

Serendipitous
18th Feb 2011, 22:15
32 riven
30 deus ex 1
30 grim fandango
30 still life 1
4 knights of the old republic 1
4 angel devoid: face of the enemy
4 under a killing moon
4 penumbra
4 mirror's edge
4 splinter cell 1
4 stronghold 1

biofuel
18th Feb 2011, 22:28
32 riven
30 deus ex 1

Riven..? Please explain.

WildcatPhoenix
18th Feb 2011, 23:02
I can't comment on the 10 most "important" games of all time (even if you don't like the games themselves, you can't deny the impact titles like Halo or Call of Duty have had on the industry).

So all I can do is list my personal Top 10, excluding the original super classics like Mario or Legend of Zelda. I also was too lazy to use the point system...meh.

1. Deus Ex
2. Mechwarrior 2/Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries
3. Wing Commander III & IV
4. Goldeneye 64
5. Dark Forces/DF II: Jedi Knight
6. Knights of the Old Republic
7. Halo: Combat Evolved
8. StarCraft
9. Call of Duty (+ CoD2 and CoD4: Modern Warfare)
10. Tie Fighter

Vasarto
18th Feb 2011, 23:46
Other Than Deus Ex being the best here is a short list of games I believe should be on the list

1. Earth Empire
2. Age of Empires III
3. Warzone 2100 at number 2
4. Diablo II
5. Mechwarrior III - As it was the best out of all of them
6. Quake III - Arena
7. Ragnarok Online - BEST MMO EVER! Its free to play and has multiple free servers everywhere. Find a good server on the speed of play you enjoy. Myself I like mid rate servers. Best game ever! Try Dreamer or Rebirth Server.

8. Minesweeper
9. Postal
10. Shin Megami Tensei - Online

SageSavage
18th Feb 2011, 23:48
Guys, you really should assign the points, since the ultimate goal of the OP was to compile a board-specific Best of-list with them.

Serendipitous
18th Feb 2011, 23:54
Riven..? Please explain.

I've been bored of the FPS genre for a few years. Shooting things and constantly trying to stay alive interferes with exploration. I could beat Halo on legendary, but it would take more time than skill. I almost start daydreaming when playing an FPS because there is nothing to solve. You just go from room to room shooting everything you see, and if you die, it's usually just because you weren't patient enough. I'm not trying to pick on Halo, just using it as an example. I like the universe of Halo, but I never get to explore it because I'm too busy shooting aliens.

Adventure games have atmosphere, detailed characters, and great stories. Riven is imaginative, immersive, and challenging. If you're asking why I rated Riven above Deus Ex, it's mostly because I consider Riven more artistic. Better graphics, more atmospheric, and beautiful.

oscarMike
19th Feb 2011, 01:10
Great thread:thumb:


- Thief: The Dark Project (30)
- Deus Ex (30)
- System Shock 2 (20)
- Half-life (20)
- Fallout (20)
- S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl (15)
- The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay (15)

singularity
19th Feb 2011, 01:27
Beneath a Steel Sky - 10


Hell yes... I had almost forgotten this one existed.

And my list? In no real order (assume all 15 are a "10")

Legend of Zelda OoT
Silent Hill 2
Deus Ex
Chronicles of Riddick EFBB
Max Payne 2
Mass Effect
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 4
Rogue Spear
Aliens vs Predator 2
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
Metal Gear Solid 1-4 (yeah... I cheated here)
Rise of Nations
Shadow of the Colossus
CoD MW

Pinky_Powers
19th Feb 2011, 01:56
I really want to add Batman Arkham Asylum to my list, as it's a game I've played over and over again, and still can't get enough of. But I'm just not sure if it's really worthy, or simply my lust for all things Batman.

Escape from Butcher's Bay almost made the list too. I remember my expectations utterly shattered when I played that for the first time.

MOHAA's multiplayer also deserves some mention. Though, as much as I played that, TF2 has certainly taken the crown for longevity and quality... at least as far as it relates to me.

As a series, Splinter Cell has the single largest replay count. It's ridiculous how many times I've played through those games.

Neverwinter Nights was my first taste of a classical RPG, and I was wholly swept up in it. But I feel nearly everything that made it wonderful was done better in Dragon Age. But there was a certain ambiance and depth to NWN that I didn't get in DAO.

Whatever. This is a cruel assignment, and hard on the noggin.

Happy
19th Feb 2011, 03:02
Whats the game with the creepy little girl in it and the great AI? Forgot the name but it should also get some love.

sonicsidewinder
19th Feb 2011, 03:13
Whats the game with the creepy little girl in it and the great AI? Forgot the name but it should also get some love.

FEAR i assume.

Mine i guess are...

Deus Ex - 25
Baldurs Gate - 25
MGS 3 Snake Eater - 20
KOTOR - 20
Total Annihilation - 10
Grim Fandango - 15
Age of Empires 2 - 10 (It would be awesome if Shogun 2 has a Korean faction or expansion. I wanna see Turtle Ships!)
Tiberian Sun - 10
Red Alert 2 - 5
SC: Chaos Theory - 5
Viewtiful Joe - 5

Honourable Mentions:


The Witcher
Oddworld
Resident Evil (GC remake)
HL2
Fallout
XIII
Republic Commando
Streets of Rage
Halo 2
Icewind Dale
Time Crisis

68_pie
19th Feb 2011, 04:37
I don't know about OP but I've been keeping a spreadsheet so far.

For people who havent put points for their choices I've put in what seems to be a sensible range based on your rankings but feel free to edit in your points.

If you change your mind about points/choices just let me know and I can edit it easily enough.

Cronstintein
19th Feb 2011, 05:54
Man I already went over my count and more games keep coming up that deserve praise. Splinter cell is a great series.


He listed DX in place 17 and gave SS2 only 5 points... Quick! Get your feathers everybody, I'll cook up some tar in the meantime.

lol yeah I do feel bad for system shock 2. I thought it was amazing at the time. But I'm not sure I would get that much out of it now a days. Also DX will get enough love on these forums, it doesn't need my help ;)


Do you have any idea what I would give for a remake of xcom with a battle system similar to Frozen Synapse? Buh bye firstborn!

xaduha
19th Feb 2011, 06:03
As of POM we have:

1 - Deus Ex
2 - VtM:B
3 - Half-Life
4 - Thief: The Metal Age
5= Planescape Torment
5= Chronicles of Riddick: EfBB
7 - Baldur's Gate 2
8 - Half-Life 2
9 - Fallout
10 - Mass Effect

:thumb:

I'll wait some more, though :whistle:

Cronstintein
19th Feb 2011, 06:03
Whats the game with the creepy little girl in it and the great AI? Forgot the name but it should also get some love.

I'm guessing you're thinking of FEAR.

TrickyVein
19th Feb 2011, 06:26
150 points seems kind of arbitrary, don't it?

Deus Ex - 18
Mass Effect - 15
Jazz Jackrabbit 2 - 6
Tomb Raider: Legend - 12
Crash Bandicoot 2 - 11
Buried in Time - 5
Abe's Exodus - 9
System Shock 2 - 5
Fallout 2 - 11
Fallout 3 - 13
Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage - 5
Unreal - 12
Unreal Tournament - 15
UT2004 - 10
Marathon 2: Durandal - 3

But there it is: 150.

Graeme
19th Feb 2011, 08:13
Deus Ex - 30
Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - 25
Half Life 2 - 20
Planescape: Torment - 20
World of Warcraft - 20
Knights of the Old Republic - 10
Battlefield 2 - 10
Soldier of Fortune 2 - 10
Mass Effect - 5

Mindmute
19th Feb 2011, 12:20
Neverwinter Nights was my first taste of a classical RPG, and I was wholly swept up in it. But I feel nearly everything that made it wonderful was done better in Dragon Age. But there was a certain ambiance and depth to NWN that I didn't get in DAO.

Whatever. This is a cruel assignment, and hard on the noggin.

:thumb:


NWN2 should've probably made my list, as should several other games but, to be honest, between picking just 15 games and giving them lower scores and ending up with the same feeling that something was missing, I decided to just give those on the bottom of my list a treat of 10 deserved points.

For honorable mentions of games that I wish I could've fit into my list somehow would go: NWN2 and the MoTB expansion (still one of the best expansions I've played), Fallout:NV, Mass Effect, KOTOR 2 (with the restored content mod it's a whole other beast when compared to the way it was released and you can get a feel of where they were going with the game), Stalker:SoC, AoE2, Assassin's Creed (the series), Icewind Dale, Dungeon Siege, MW (the series), Ultima (the series), Mech Commander 2, Marathon and Dragon Age:O.

Those were just far too many games for me to even try to distribute points to.

Rheinhold
19th Feb 2011, 15:20
20 - Deus Ex
19 - Total Annihilation
18 - FallOut 3
15 - Need for Speed III: Hot Pursuit
15 - Battlefield Bad Company 2
14 - Sportscar GT
12 - Half-Life 2
10 - Need for Speed Most Wanted
9 - Return to Castle Wolfenstein
8 - Quake III Arena
6 - Trackmania Nations Forever
4 - Command and Conquer Generals
1 - Stunts

Pinky_Powers
19th Feb 2011, 15:48
20 - Deus Ex
19 - Total Annihilation
18 - FallOut 3
15 - Need for Speed III: Hot Pursuit
15 - Battlefield Bad Company 2
14 - Sportscar GT
12 - Half-Life 2
10 - Need for Speed Most Wanted
9 - Return to Castle Wolfenstein
8 - Quake III Arena
6 - Trackmania Nations Forever
4 - Command and Conquer Generals
1 - Stunts

You should really give racing games a try. You'll really like them.
:eek:

masume21
19th Feb 2011, 17:02
The F.E.A.R series
Metro 2033
Mass Effect
Resident Evil 4
Left 4 Dead 1
Batman Arkham Asylum
Eve Online
Fallout 3
Banjo Kazzoie
Deus Ex
Dead Space
Half-Life 2
Battlefield 2
In no particular order.

FrankCSIS
19th Feb 2011, 17:03
I don't know if I should be happy or saddened by the fact that I've pretty much played everything mentionned in this thread.

I wonder now, where did we ever find the time, as kids, to play so many titles?

sonicsidewinder
19th Feb 2011, 17:15
I don't know if I should be happy or saddened by the fact that I've pretty much played everything mentionned in this thread.

I wonder now, where did we ever find the time, as kids, to play so many titles?

he...Hey! Just hang in there Frank...

It's not like those days are gone! They are still here...all around us, in the earth, the water, the sky.

All it takes for me is to straight damn stare into an old CRT...and i'm there, like i was never gone...

But now? Time...cannot wait...


:nut:

St. Mellow
19th Feb 2011, 17:19
Great idea! Here goes:

Deus Ex - 20
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - 16
Medieval II: Total War - 15
Europa Universalis III - 12
Planescape: Torment - 10
SimCity 3000 - 10
StarCraft - 10
Doom - 10
Half-Life 2 - 10
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis - 9
Minecraft - 8
Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II + Mysteries of the Sith - 5
Galactic Civilizations II - 5
Mount & Blade: Warband - 5
Sea Legends - 5

Damn, that was hard. Whittling it down to the top 15 was more difficult than I expected. But I am satisfied with the result.

Pretentious Old Man.
19th Feb 2011, 17:21
This thread confirms my belief that the Hidden and Dangerous series is criminally under-appreciated.

handgriffsorgfaeltig
19th Feb 2011, 17:49
oh snap...i read the thread...i thought about this...

no particular order for the following games ( or the whole franchise 'WF' ) . those ones are not only of the best kind, but in retrospective the most 'life-time-force-sucking' ones !

Tanks / Gorilla
Duke Nukem
Commander Keen
Diablo ( WF )
Tie Fighter
Wolfenstein 3D
Doom ( WF )
Quake + Quake Arena
Mortal Kombat
UT
AvP2
SOF
RTCW + ET
Fluid
Thrill Kill
Battlefield 1942
Morrowind
Serious Sam
Wipe Out ( WF )

Windows 95 [alpha]

SageSavage
19th Feb 2011, 18:07
Windows 95 [alpha] Ooh, how could we forget that one... :p

handgriffsorgfaeltig
19th Feb 2011, 18:25
Ooh, how could we forget that one... :p

that's between ourselves... i was never able to beat this one...wonder what the outro looks like :scratch:

Neuromancer07
19th Feb 2011, 18:44
19; Deus Ex.
16; System Shock 2.
15; Thief 2.
14; Half-Life 2.
14; GTA IV.
13; Fallout 3.
12; Planescape: Torment.
12; Bioshock.
9; Max Payne 2.
6; Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven.
6; Morrowind.
6; Portal.
5; Left 4 Dead 2.
2; S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadows of Chernobyl (with S.T.A.L.K.E.R. COMPLETE 2009).
1; Metro 2033.


There's alot of other games that I should mention, Morrowind is a difficult inclusion because modded Oblivion does supersede it in terms of gameplay {A.I. that moves through doors!}, though obviously the former has an incredibly compelling setting and rich themes. I loved Vampire: Bloodlines but the third act starting at the sewers is just f---ing awful. I did play tonnes of Half-Life when I was younger and whilst quite revolutionary, the second is a work of art. Also not mentioned is The Witcher as I'm still on the fourth chapter and cannot appraise the game fully. Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn is another game that should be there, but I can't be bothered adjusting my numbers. Various consoles games such as the series of Zelda games from Ocarina to Wind Waker, Metroid Prime and Super Mario 64 also deserve some mention.

I added Metro 2033 at the end in praise of how incredible the atmosphere was, the settlements were so lively, vibrant, detailed and beautiful. I do wish there was a greater open-ended focus and that its flaws of design were ameliorated but it still deserves to be there solely for the achievement of having such an intricately believable world.

I predict with some certainty that The Witcher 2, Skyrim and Portal 2 will be there. Deus Ex: Human Revolution is looking to get at least an 18 on my scale.

Finally don't take the points to be overly serious, it's quite hard to evaluate the relative merit of two great games.

SageSavage
19th Feb 2011, 19:01
that's between ourselves... i was never able to beat this one...wonder what the outro looks like :scratch:

http://www.chibu.de/pic/guru/solitaer1.jpg

One of the alternative endings:

http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/b/bsod.gif

AlexOfSpades
19th Feb 2011, 19:16
How do people take a screenshot of the blue-screen-of-death?

SageSavage
19th Feb 2011, 19:21
Good question but apart from the obvious possibility of someone simply taking pictures with a camera, there's a number of other possibilities. One would be the use of a virtual machine.

handgriffsorgfaeltig
19th Feb 2011, 19:39
quite nice of you trying to calm me down -=fox=-, but i know for sure there isn't any alternative ending; just black n blue game over screens... :o

GamerSam
19th Feb 2011, 20:35
In no particular order: on top of my head--among my favorites, the list includes

**Bioshock 1=30 points
**Assassin's Creed (part 2)=30 points
**Splinter Cell Conviction=10 points
**The Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon (series)=10 points
**Darksiders=10 points
**The Suffering=10 points
**The Orange Box=10 points
**Modern Warfare 2 (CoD)=20 points
**Need for Speed: Most Wanted=20 points

Ashpolt
19th Feb 2011, 21:00
Guys, guys, guys, what's up with all the old games on your lists? We all know anything more than 6 months old is complete unplayable garbage. Why don't you all just play Pong all the time if you love old games so much? A game's quality is inversely proportional to time since release. FACT. Marvel vs Capcom 3 came out in the UK today, and is hence the best game ever made until next week.

But seriously, here's my list, with a few words about each because that's how I roll.

Deus Ex - 25
Obviously.

Final Fantasy VII - 20
It seems to be cool to hate this now, but screw everyone that says that. This game was excellent at the time, and is still a joy to play today.

Demon's Souls -20
What's this? Not only a current generation game, but a console one, in my top games list? What kind of filthy disgusting elitist pig am I? On a more serious note, this game is excellent (barring world 5-2 - oh, how I hate thee) and I can't wait for the sequel, Dark Souls.

Medieval 2: Total War - 15
The whole series is great (even Empire) but this game represents the perfect balance of depth, stability and prettiness for me. That said, hopefully Shogun 2 will trump this when it releases next month.

STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl - 15
God did we have a long wait for this, but it was definitely worth it. Unmatched atmosphere, deep gameplay and some of the most satisfying gunplay in gaming added up to a unique, and uniquely brilliant, experience.

Hidden and Dangerous 2 - 10
As I just wrote in the gaming general thread, I've got to admit to not having completed this (or at least, not yet) but despite that, the half of the game (or so) that I have played was longer than Modern Warfare 1 and 2 combined, so I feel pretty comfortable putting it on my list. I really wish true tactical shooters like this were still being made.

Shenmue 2 - 10
Was my favourite game ever at the time I played it. The sheer detail in this game is unmatched even today, and while the storyline went a bit off the rails on the fourth disk (you're walking through a forest, WE GET IT) there were enough great moments - some of which were genuinely laugh out loud funny - early on that it didn't matter.

Rock Band - 10
Oh god, another current gen console game. And a casual one at that! I may have to forfeit my place in the glorious PC gaming master race for this. Nonetheless, in terms of sheer amount of time spent on a game, this is definitely one of the top for me. Good fun solo, great with a group of friends, and it's the game that got me into playing drums for real. So yeah, got to be on my list.

Starcraft 2 - 10
A confession: I never played the original Starcraft. In fact, as a general rule, I don't like RTSs - building my base and resource gathering usually annoys me, I'm much more of a real time tactics kind of guy (see: Medieval 2: Total War.) But this just hooked me and wouldn't let go, from the amazing production values (and surprising amount of variety) in the singleplayer campaign to the addictive-as-crack multiplayer, I played this for months, and still get withdrawal symptoms every now and again. And I usually don't play MP in any game at all seriously.

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (Subsistence version) - 5
Chose the Subsistence version because it added the full 3D camera, which benefitted the game massively. The best of the MGS games by a fair margin. Just the battle with The End alone is enough to gain it classic status: the fact that the rest of the game around it is brilliant is just delicious icing on the delicious cake.

The Movies - 5
Never got why basically no-one else liked this - and I never really used it as a movie making tool, I mainly played it for the management sim elements. Yes, it was simple, but it was constantly fun. Getting digital effects in the 60s, while opposing studios are still churning out technicolor nonsense, never gets old.

Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway - 5
Hard to choose between Road to Hill 30 and Hell's Highway for me, but I went with the latter because the story gripped me a lot more. Wonder if we'll ever see a sequel for this?

Pretentious Old Man.
19th Feb 2011, 21:03
Hidden and Dangerous 2 - 10
As I just wrote in the gaming general thread, I've got to admit to not having completed this (or at least, not yet) but despite that, the half of the game (or so) that I have played was longer than Modern Warfare 1 and 2 combined, so I feel pretty comfortable putting it on my list. I really wish true tactical shooters like this were still being made.


http://ihasahotdog.wordpress.com/files/2008/04/cute-puppy-pictures-kitten-o-hai-love.jpg

handgriffsorgfaeltig
19th Feb 2011, 21:20
Guys, guys, guys, what's up with all the old games on your lists? We all know anything more than 6 months old is complete unplayable garbage. ...


wrong!

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3492/gorillazn.jpg

...but hey...thx for mentioning pong... ^^

Lady_Of_The_Vine
19th Feb 2011, 23:22
Cool to see quite a few shout-outs for the Oddworld games. :thumb:

TrickyVein
20th Feb 2011, 03:02
There is nothing else like Oddworld. I know of no other game that so seamlessly integrates artistic vision and creativity with playability.

...and I forgot to mention Medievil!!! Certainly one of the most fun games I played. Too lazy to go back and edit my scoring, but there's a shout out for ya, sir. Dan!

Here's a discontinued model of a slig (http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/718/sligwip.jpg) I made I while back - if someone makes a readable tutorial on how to import custom characters into UT3 let me know. :p

Rheinhold
20th Feb 2011, 14:22
There is nothing else like Oddworld. I know of no other game that so seamlessly integrates artistic vision and creativity with playability.

...and I forgot to mention Medievil!!! Certainly one of the most fun games I played. Too lazy to go back and edit my scoring, but there's a shout out for ya, sir. Dan!

Here's a discontinued model of a slig (http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/718/sligwip.jpg) I made I while back - if someone makes a readable tutorial on how to import custom characters into UT3 let me know. :p

Not a half bad model there! I wish I could give you such a tutorial, but Im afraid I need a tutorial myself, since I want to get into the directories of FallOut New Vegas for modding purposes...

luminar
20th Feb 2011, 15:24
Deus ex: 25
Mirrors edge: 20
The elder scrolls (most of my time was spent in morrowind but the mythology is what really keeps me around): 20
Splinter cell series: 20
Arcanum: 10
Fallout: 10
Fable the lost chapters: 10
Bully: 5
Fallout new vegas: 5
Ocarina of time: 5
COD Black ops: 5
Portal: 5
DA origins: 3
Bioshock: 3
C&C Red alert 2: 3
Fire emblem: 3
Soul calibur 3: 3

This was incredibly hard! Also there are many games I left out because I haven't actually played them even though I'm fairly certian I would greatly enjoy them. As well there are several games I probably forgot about or otherwise omitted in favor of another game.

sonicsidewinder
20th Feb 2011, 15:35
Here's a discontinued model of a slig (http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/718/sligwip.jpg) I made I while back

Very cool.

CoDEllite
20th Feb 2011, 16:51
Bioshock: 25
Red Dead Redemption: 15
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2: 15
Assassin's Creed 2: 20
Halo 3: 15
Fallout 3: 10
Splinter Cell Conviction: 10
Rainbow Six Vegas 2: 10
GTA IV: 15
Mass Effect 2: 15

mahmoudd
20th Feb 2011, 19:55
Deus Ex 35
Morrowind 35
Rome: Total War 25
Unreal Tournament 2004 20
Mafia 10
Age of empires 2 10
FEAR 10
Resident evil 4 5

dxb
20th Feb 2011, 20:44
Bioshock: 25
Red Dead Redemption: 15
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2: 15
Assassin's Creed 2: 20
Halo 3: 15
Fallout 3: 10
Splinter Cell Conviction: 10
Rainbow Six Vegas 2: 10
GTA IV: 15
Mass Effect 2: 15

Dude, every game on your list is under 4 years old.

You should definitely give older games a try. Deus Ex, Baldur's Gate, the Thief games, Knight of the Old Republic...these games are amazing.

Pinky_Powers
20th Feb 2011, 21:16
Dude, every game on your list is under 4 years old.

He doesn't call himself CodElite for nothing.

dxb
20th Feb 2011, 21:41
He doesn't call himself CodElite for nothing.

He doesn't call himself CodElite at all.
:whistle:

biofuel
20th Feb 2011, 21:49
Rather than simply list our "favourite" games (some of us putting numbers next to them) we should have a thread akin to a "fun-scale" where people post descriptive indications as to the following:

1) what game(s) gave them a particularly "high" level of fun
2) why and how the game(s) did this to them
3) whether that "strain" of fun is still achievable today in that game(s)
4) the type of "high" fun that that game(s) allowed for, e.g. adrenaline, accomplishment, awe, immersion etc

I feel this type of thread would actually enhance all our lives. No joke. If people can succinctly inform others as to their gaming "highs" then its easier for the new people to experience those same highs, rather than list names of games and numbers.

That is all... (takes a bow).

biofuel
20th Feb 2011, 21:50
Bioshock: 25
Red Dead Redemption: 15
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2: 15
Assassin's Creed 2: 20
Halo 3: 15
Fallout 3: 10
Splinter Cell Conviction: 10
Rainbow Six Vegas 2: 10
GTA IV: 15
Mass Effect 2: 15

Props for Halo man, nice to see that game getting some love here.

dxb
20th Feb 2011, 22:29
Props for Halo man, nice to see that game getting some love here.

I stinkin' love Halo...except Halo 3 was hands-down the worst one (unless you count ODST).

MrFoxter
20th Feb 2011, 23:13
This is going to be long... as you can see, I love immersive, atmospheric games, puzzle games, original and weird games, sci-fi games, humour and any combination of mentioned. I tried to write down some things that I most liked about each game as Biofuel proposed. These games have sure their flaws, but I focused only on what I liked.

9 Deus Ex - Awesome atmosphere, immersion, many gameplay options, different playstyles.
9 Grim Fandango - Great atmosphere, visuals, jazz music, setting (Land of the Dead), humour.
9 Blade Runner - Atmosphere, level of detail, non-linear adventure gameplay, I love BR.
9 Braid - Brilliant puzzles, poetic visuals and music, interesting storytelling and stunning end scene. Art.
9 System Shock 2 - Atmosphere (again), immersion, flexibility of RPG system, free access to the whole ship (non-linearity).
9 Psychonauts - Originality, great leveldesign, bosses, beautifully weird, nice music, humour.
9 Portal - Atmosphere, immersion, original puzzles, Glados.

8 Mass Effect - Deep sci-fi world, epic story, good mixture of RPG and Shooter.
8 Mass Effect 2 - Deep sci-fi world, epic story, good mixture of RPG and Shooter.
8 SW: KOTOR - Deep sci-fi world, epic story, classic RPG.

7 Beyond Good and Evil - Good gamedesign (open world with mission locations), cuteness.

6 The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay - Varying gameplay, atmosphere, mixture of genres.
6 Thief - Sometimes, I just wanna lurk in the dark.
6 Batman: Arkham Asylum - Great varying arcade gameplay, good background, sequences of insanity.
6 Machinarium - Cuteness, beautiful visuals and music, classic point'n'click adventure, atmosphere.

5 Half Life - Hardcore sci-fi setting, unique immersing atmosphere, linear game done right.
5 The Neverhood - Hilarious, mad and crazy. Loads of clay.
5 Metal Gear Solid - Thought-provoking, great story, cutscenes, original bosses.

4 Mirror's Edge - Atmosphere, art direction, body awareness, immersion, adrenaline.
4 Freespace 2 - Only sim that I finished, the best space combat game around.

3 Full Throttle - LucasArts classic, good story and combination of metal/motorbike/sci-fi themes.
3 Dead Space - Sci-fi, immersive, scary, sometimes epic.
3 MDK - Weird, original, hilarious and WTFesque classic.

MaxxQ1
20th Feb 2011, 23:19
Dude, every game on your list is under 4 years old.

IOW, they're only a year or so younger than him. :rasp:

TrickyVein
20th Feb 2011, 23:36
Mr. Foxter! MDK!!! YES!!!!!

The game that got me hooked on headshots. I can still hear that low, wet, rubber-ish, raw, "popping" sound.

The world's smallest nuclear explosion, the decoy dummy, and most interesting box...how bizarre. And then the swimming cows. How utterly bizarre.

Sotsiak
21st Feb 2011, 16:55
I have only played MDK 2 some time ago, it was awesome :cool:

AlexOfSpades
21st Feb 2011, 18:03
MDK was very fun.

I just hated the helmet

ZakKa89
21st Feb 2011, 18:21
I would just like to say you guys have great taste in games :thumbsup:

68_pie
21st Feb 2011, 22:17
Interesting picks by everyone, certainly some stuff that I'm going to have to check out.

I won't put up the names of the current top 10 again in case it influences people's votes. However, so far the top ten are from the years:

1 - 2000
2 - 2004
3 - 2002
4 - 1998
5 - 2004
6 - 2003
7 - 2007/2008
8 - 2000
9 - 1999
10 - 2004

sonicsidewinder
21st Feb 2011, 22:41
1998? Good vintage. :D

MrFoxter
22nd Feb 2011, 00:04
1998? Good vintage. :D

I wouldn't call 1998 a vintage :D

Day of the Tentacle is from 1993 and still brilliant after all those years. Same with Sam & Max: Hit the Road.

http://aspeb.com.ar/principal/images/stories/Notas/lucasarts/2/dott4.gif

Lady_Of_The_Vine
22nd Feb 2011, 07:50
There is nothing else like Oddworld. I know of no other game that so seamlessly integrates artistic vision and creativity with playability.

Absolutely. There is a rumour regarding a remake of Abe's Oddysee... I hope this is true.

Donvermicelli
22nd Feb 2011, 14:07
15 Deus Ex
13 System Shock II
12 Half-life
12 Duke Nukem 3D
10 Diablo II
10 Call of Cthulhu: The dark corners of the Earth
8 Homeworld II
8 UnrealTournament
8 Tiberian Sun
8 Starcraft II
8 Portal
5 Warcraft II
5 Amnesia: The Dark Descent
5 Mafia
5 Republic Commando
5 Natural Selection (this is more of a mod for half life but the unique belnd of RTS and FPS is just awesome)
4 Dungeon keeper
3 Oni
3 Tomb Raider
3 Max Payne


As far as I could remember epic PC games.. adding consoles in would change this list obviously.

Shralla
22nd Feb 2011, 18:13
I stinkin' love Halo...except Halo 3 was hands-down the worst one (unless you count ODST).

But ODST had the best campaign... Reach had the best multiplayer.

Piflik
22nd Feb 2011, 19:59
Tons of Halos and Mass Effects, but only two who even mention Beyond Good & Evil? Just how young are yu people?

Beyond Good & Evil - 150

ZakKa89
22nd Feb 2011, 20:40
Not really fair if somebody can name 1 game and assign 150 points to that isn't there? Shouldn't everybody name 10 games so we can have a realistic list of what the forumbrethern around here think? Because to be honest, I am quite interested in seeing that because I respect the tastes and opinons of people around here a lot.

Mindmute
22nd Feb 2011, 20:48
Not really fair if somebody can name 1 game and assign 150 points to that isn't there? Shouldn't everybody name 10 games so we can have a realistic list of what the forumbrethern around here think? Because to be honest, I am quite interested in seeing that because I respect the tastes and opinons of people around here a lot.

The OP did say between 5 and 15 games, which I think leaves reasonable space for manuever. I'd say we don't count entries that are grossly uneven (like giving one game 145 and every other game a 1) or have less than 5 games :hmm:

Pinky_Powers
22nd Feb 2011, 20:48
I give 150 points to Daikatana.

Irate_Iguana
22nd Feb 2011, 20:53
I give 150 points to Daikatana.

Didn't the courts in The Hague rule that a crime against humanity?

Pretentious Old Man.
22nd Feb 2011, 22:19
I give 150 points to Daikatana.

http://www.kotaku.com/images/2006/07/john_romero_hot_dog.jpg

LOLWHUT

dani
22nd Feb 2011, 22:32
Deus Ex -- 30
Fallout 2 -- 30
Fallout -- 30
Thief 2 -- 20
Max Payne -- 10
Quake 2 -- 10
Quake 3 Arena -- 10
Postal 2 -- 5
Mafia -- 5

I love Deus Ex. I want to install and play it again. I really hope for a remake.

Gizmostuff
22nd Feb 2011, 23:03
Deus Ex - 20
Starcraft Brood War - 15
Marathon 2: Durandal - 12
Unreal Tournament - 12
Knights of the old Republic - 12
Warcraft II - 10
Warcraft III - 10
Mass Effect - 10
Mass Effect II - 10
Halo - 9
Half Life 2- 8
Assassins Creed 2 - 6
Diablo - 6
Homeworld 2 - 5
Sins of a Solar Empire - 5

Eh, a lot of Halo fans but no Marathon fans...Yikes!

MrFoxter
22nd Feb 2011, 23:23
Didn't the courts in The Hague rule that a crime against humanity?

I think that now it's the right time to use a quote "This game sucks so hard not even photons can escape." ;)

Wunderbar_007
22nd Feb 2011, 23:41
My "best of all time" list. I just can't get enough of these games and replay all regularly.

12.5 Deus Ex
12.5 System Shock 2
12.5 Thief 1
12.5 Thief 2
12.5 Thief 3
12.5 Unreal Tournament
12.5 Unreal Tournament 3
12.5 Supreme Commander Forged Alliance
12.5 Sins of a Solar Empire
12.5 STALKER Shadow of Chernobyl
12.5 STALKER Clear Sky
12.5 STALKER Call of Pripyat

Cronstintein
26th Feb 2011, 19:36
I already put up my list but I want to bring up two old classics from the genesis era.

Toe Jam and Earl
Mutant League Football

TJ&E has some of the most fun local co-op I've ever played in my life. The presents system was awesome (kind of like potions in nethack. If you have a white present with a red bow it's a mystery until you open it. But until you open a randomizer every white present with a red bow will be the same.) It was silly, but amusing. The abilities were so much fun to use. I wish this game had a worthy sequel.

Mutant league football. I don't like sports games very much. Football least of all. But this game was sweet. Monsters, robots, skeletons, trolls all playing football. Each team had 3 specials that could be used once each half. So if you really need the last 10yards you could use your special jetpack play and grab 'em. You could bribe the ref. Rip the ref to shreds (the only way of countering the bribe). Throw a pass where the football is actually a bomb and intentionally allow an interception, blowing up the catcher. So much awesomeness.

JCpies
26th Feb 2011, 20:24
Deus Ex -150
Mirror's Edge -70
KOTOR - 99
Batman: Arkham Asylum - 60
Castlevania - 40
MGS4 - 80
Robin Hood, legend of Sherwood - 44

MrFoxter
26th Feb 2011, 20:40
Deus Ex -150
Mirror's Edge -70
KOTOR - 99
Batman: Arkham Asylum - 60
Castlevania - 40
MGS4 - 80
Robin Hood, legend of Sherwood - 44

I believe your math unit is faulty.

Pst! Total should be 150.

Serendipitous
26th Feb 2011, 21:00
Deus Ex -150
Mirror's Edge -70
KOTOR - 99
Batman: Arkham Asylum - 60
Castlevania - 40
MGS4 - 80
Robin Hood, legend of Sherwood - 44

If you divide each score by 3.62 (which keeps your ratios intact), you get this list:
Deus Ex - 41 (+2=43?)
Mirror's Edge - 19
KOTOR - 27
Batman: Arkham Asylum - 16
Castlevania - 11
MGS4 - 22
Robin Hood, legend of Sherwood - 12
Then you have 2 remaining points to assign. For now I'll give them to Deus Ex since you gave it the highest rating.

Yzerman
26th Feb 2011, 21:41
Deus Ex - 20
Legend of Zelda: OoT - 20
Tribes - 10 (still the best multiplayer shooter I have played).
Goldeneye - 10
Jagged Alliance 2 - 10
Fallout 2 - 10
Mass Effect 2 - 10
Total Annihilation - 10
Dawn of War - 10
Resident Evil 4 - 10
F-Zero X - 10
Metroid Prime - 10
GTA 4 - 10

I think those are the games that have impressed me the most. But it is impossible to list all my favorite books, movies and games.

ZakKa89
26th Feb 2011, 22:08
Jagged Alliance 2 - 10


<3 :thumb:

Tverdyj
27th Feb 2011, 06:06
DX-25
Vampire: Bloodlines-20
The Witcher Enhanced Edition 20
Legacy of Kain series -15 (WHole Franchise, if not, then the Original '97 Blood Omen gets all the love)
Medieval II - Total War 15
System Shock 2--10
Warcraft 3 - 10
Starcraft - 10
Diablo II - 10
Tetris -10
Monster Truck Madness (my first ever PC passion) -5

Pinky_Powers
27th Feb 2011, 06:47
Monster Truck Madness (my first ever PC passion) -5

I played the ever-living hell out of Midtown Madness back in the day. :D

Donvermicelli
27th Feb 2011, 11:36
Deus Ex -150
Mirror's Edge -70
KOTOR - 99
Batman: Arkham Asylum - 60
Castlevania - 40
MGS4 - 80
Robin Hood, legend of Sherwood - 44

I thought this was just PC games... I would have put a Castlevania title up too :( What Castlevania are you referring to? because there are quite a lot of them.

Cr4sh
28th Feb 2011, 11:34
Gothic 35
Gothic 2 with addon 30
Deus Ex 25
Minecraft 20
Anno 1404 15
Company Of Heroes (with Opposing Fronts) 15
Mafia 10

GepardenK
28th Feb 2011, 11:44
Thief - All of them
Age of Empires - 1 and 2
Riven
Monkey Island - 1 and 2
Freespace 2
Homeworld - All of them
VampireTM: Bloodlines
Arcanum
Deus Ex
Arma 2 + OPflash 1
Psyconauts
Grim Fandango

As you can see I like all genres as long as the game is win. Also Im a pc gamer, with psyconauts being the only slightly console related game. There is a lot of other games to mention like Commander keen, IL2, Decent etc but then the list would get way too long...

Knoted
28th Feb 2011, 13:05
Ico 40 points | transcends gaming as a medium & features BEST kinetic character movement

Splinter Cell series 35 points | amazing kinetic character movement & NVG gameplay

Silent Hill 2 35 points | Creepiest atmosphere and most heartwrenching story

Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence 30 points | The least serious MGS story, but the Best MGS gameplay

F1 World Grand Prix N64 10 points | an incredibly nice Formula 1 racing game

MrFoxter
28th Feb 2011, 15:42
Thief - All of them
...
Monkey Island - 1 and 2
Freespace 2
Homeworld - All of them
...
Deus Ex
...
Psychonauts
Grim Fandango

Nice taste :thumb:

xaduha
28th Feb 2011, 17:05
Last call.
We got to choose a deadline. Tomorrow?

vault_overseer
28th Feb 2011, 17:11
Planescape: Torment - 40
Fallout 2 - 20
Fallout 1 - 20
Fallout: New Vegas - 20
Arcanum - 10
Vampire Masquerade: Bloodlines - 5
Deus Ex - 10
The Witcher - 5
Kotor 2 - 5
Mask of the betrayer - 5

biofuel
28th Feb 2011, 20:49
I think its interesting we are defining our 'greatest games' list, as a community based on Deus Ex. Coming off the back of a solely "PC gamer" upbringing with occasional console asides (goldeneye, halo etc), I recently got a 360... Obviously we appear to be 'PC-intensive' as a forum; our scores/rankings will reflect our vision of the 'best games out there' from a PC gamer viewpoint, albeit this list considers all platforms. Interesting paradox.

JCpies
28th Feb 2011, 21:13
I played the ever-living hell out of Midtown Madness back in the day. :D

I like that game, you can drive around on the walls of the Tower of London in a mini. Like the Italian Job but in London.

Ninjerk
28th Feb 2011, 21:33
20, Deus Ex
17, Fallout
16, Legend of Zelda: OoT
17, Final Fantasy VII
15, Kirby's Adventure
10, Final Fantasy Tactics
10, Unreal Tournament (UT99)
10, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
10, Metal Gear Solid
5, Jagged Alliance 2
5, Planescape: Torment
5, Star Wars: Jedi Knight
5, DOOM
5, Soul Calibur

Honorable Mentions: Sonic 2, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy IX

I took Fable off my list at the last second to free up some points. I don't think I can ax any of the rest.

Reven
28th Feb 2011, 21:39
I think it would be easier to make a list of the worst games of all time rather then the best.

vault_overseer
28th Feb 2011, 21:49
I think it would be easier to make a list of the worst games of all time rather then the best.

That's easy, pretty much everything that's been released since 2000, with the exception for Troika and Obsidian games.

mahmoudd
28th Feb 2011, 22:26
That's easy, pretty much everything that's been released since 2000, with the exception for Troika and Obsidian games.

man this kind of posts is good for RPG codex

68_pie
28th Feb 2011, 22:27
Last call.
We got to choose a deadline. Tomorrow?

Sounds cool to me assuming everyone else is fine with it.

You gonna add them up or do you want me to do it - I have all but the last few in a spreadsheet already.

Also how long a list do people want? Top 100, top 50, top 20?

MrFoxter
28th Feb 2011, 22:52
Sounds cool to me assuming everyone else is fine with it.

You gonna add them up or do you want me to do it - I have all but the last few in a spreadsheet already.

Also how long a list do people want? Top 100, top 50, top 20?

I'd like to see Top All. Just make the first ten bigger size and the rest smaller size.

xaduha
1st Mar 2011, 03:34
You gonna add them up or do you want me to do it - I have all but the last few in a spreadsheet already.

You and me, hoss.

I'll show you mine if you show me yours :lol:

I say we post Top 50 here and dump Top 100 or full list elsewhere.

AxiomaticBadger
1st Mar 2011, 15:37
In no particular order:-
10 Baldurs Gate 2
10 Mass Effect 2
10 realMyst
10 Dragon Age: Origins
10 The Witcher
10 Homeworld 2
10 Command & Conquer 3
10 Dawn of War 2
10 Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines
10 The Longest Journey
10 Half Life 2
10 Portal
10 Ultima 8: Pagan
10 Planescape: Torment
10 Deus Ex

Series are grouped under thier best incarnation.

Nyysjan
1st Mar 2011, 16:22
in no particular order (except for Deus Ex that is The Best Game EVER, no exceptions)

Deus Ex
Baldur's gate (1 & 2)
Sid Meyer's Pirates (was awesome on Commodore 64, is awesome on PC, and remains awesome on PSP)
Batman: Arkham Asylum (story is basic, graphics are nothing to brag about, can´t say anything about combat system as i suck at it and Gordons seems to be on steroids, but the ability to sneak about and take out jokers goons one by one as Joker keeps screaming at them while they panic is awesome)
Tetris
Final Fantasy VII "ducks behind the table before angry nerd rants about how much FFVII sucks start flying"
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 1

Honorary mentions:
Jade Empire: for trying (if not entirely succeeding) something new and bold.
Fable: for having dared to dream (but failing, wich is why it only has a honorary mention)
Mass Effect 1 & 2: for bringing us Tali, an giving us a change to punch annoing reporters to the face (i never did, but i did appreciate the option to do so).
Neverwinter Nights 2: oh if they just had taken the time to do it properly (i loved the red dragon though, pity there was no option to bargain with it succesfully), as well as giving us a bald female love interest in its expansion.
Dragon Age: for having a barest shadow of the awesome that Baldur's Gate gave us, even if Morrigan dissaproves of it.
The Witcher: Dwarven bankers, Elven terrorists and Vampire hookers, need i say more? Fine, also a werewolf copper.
(somewhat annoying combat and occasionally disjointed storytelling (personal opinion wich in no way bears any actual fact) keep it from being one of all time greats)
Fallout 2: not quite as good as 1)

The Hall of Shame:
Final Fantasy XIV: Seriously, WTF o.O
Deus Ex: Invisible War: otherwise unremarkable shooter/rpg hybrid, but it dared to use the name Deus Ex.
Fallout 3

Reven
1st Mar 2011, 16:32
I hereby award 150 points to shaq fu.

KoStA
1st Mar 2011, 22:22
My list

Baldurs Gate 2 -30
Thief the Metal Age -25
Planscape Torment -25
Thief Gold -20
Deus Ex -20
Fallout 2 -15
Half Life - 15

pha
2nd Mar 2011, 02:40
I played the ever-living hell out of Midtown Madness back in the day. :D

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

I didn't even care about the race modes, I played the Cruise mode for hours and hours, listening to a random Priest or Maiden album on its built in audio CD player.

Fun times.

Pinky_Powers
2nd Mar 2011, 03:25
<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

I didn't even care about the race modes, I played the Cruise mode for hours and hours, listening to a random Priest or Maiden album on its built in audio CD player.

Fun times.

We brought it back to my friend's house and played it 9 hours the first day.

My favorite thing to do was take the F350 and cause massive pile ups on the freeway. I also loved turning Snow on in the weather options.

xaduha
2nd Mar 2011, 06:52
Results:

Full list (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21787303/Release/BGL.xhtml)
Participants (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21787303/Release/Authors.xhtml)
Titles (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21787303/Release/Titles.xhtml)

Source XML file (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21787303/Release/BGL.xml)
XQuery query (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21787303/Release/BGL.xqy)

First post updated too.

That's it, release 1.0

xaduha
2nd Mar 2011, 15:48
Confession time.
Notable games I haven't played

Thief
System Shock
Mass Effect
Chronicles of Riddick
Beyond Good & Evil
Civilization
No One Lives Forever
S.T.A.L.K.E.R
Hidden & Dangerous
Any console game

Jerion
2nd Mar 2011, 15:49
Oh man, I need to dig up NOLF. Been far too long since I enjoyed that marvel.

CoDEllite
2nd Mar 2011, 16:06
Great summary xaduha :) . But Just curious. I see you guys chose Morrowind for top ten but Oblivion is closer to bottom. I realy liked Oblivion but havent tried Morrowind yet. Is Morrowind actualy that much better than Oblivion? I think Morrowind's graphics still look passable today, not that much worse then something like Warcraft. But I heard how Oblivion's combat was much improved over Morrowind's and was kinda wary of trying it. But the number of votes that it got realy makes me want to try it. So any reasons why someone whose first Elder Scrolls game was Oblivion should give Morrowind a try?

xaduha
2nd Mar 2011, 16:19
To be honest I truly finished Morrowind like once. But I played Morrowind many times, started anew many times, trying different races, classes, going to different places from the start and so on.
I haven't finished Oblivion at all and have played it very little. Game hasn't captured me, that's all.
You should try Morrowind, damn the reasons.

CoDEllite
2nd Mar 2011, 16:24
You should try Morrowind, damn the reasons. Good enough reason for me :D

xaduha
2nd Mar 2011, 16:33
http://morroblivion.com/
Haven't tried myself yet

biofuel
2nd Mar 2011, 16:48
Wow. Vampire Bloodlines took second spot? I've never played it. What makes it so good?

xaduha
2nd Mar 2011, 16:49
Deusexyness

MaxxQ1
2nd Mar 2011, 17:00
Wow. Vampire Bloodlines took second spot? I've never played it. What makes it so good?

The only game that comes closest to Deus Ex in similar gameplay is Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines.

pha
2nd Mar 2011, 17:12
The only game that comes closest to Deus Ex in similar gameplay is Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines.

Zing!


Wow. Vampire Bloodlines took second spot? I've never played it. What makes it so good?

1. One of the spookiest levels in any game which will keep you on your toes without one single enemy.
2. Amazing music, dialogues, design, and voice acting.
3. Malkavians.
4. Everything?

MaxxQ1
2nd Mar 2011, 17:36
1. One of the spookiest levels in any game which will keep you on your toes without one single enemy.
2. Amazing music, dialogues, design, and voice acting.
3. Malkavians.
4. Everything?

Agreed on all counts, especially the spooky level, double-especially when you play it as a Malk.

Mindmute
2nd Mar 2011, 17:44
1. One of the spookiest levels in any game which will keep you on your toes without one single enemy.
2. Amazing music, dialogues, design, and voice acting.
3. Malkavians.
4. Everything?

5- Jeanette ;)

pha
2nd Mar 2011, 18:04
I said Malkavians. And VV > Jeanette. :p

Mindmute
2nd Mar 2011, 18:06
I said Malkavians. And VV > Jeanette. :p

Fair enough on both counts, I just think she deserves her own point ;)

Reven
2nd Mar 2011, 18:18
Did anyone ever use guns in Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines ?. i found it near impossible no matter the training. it always seemed more effective to use the Katana and rip everyone to shreds.

Mindmute
2nd Mar 2011, 18:22
Did anyone ever use guns in Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines ?. i found it near impossible no matter the training. it always seemed more effective to use the Katana and rip everyone to shreds.

They were decent at higher levels (7 or so in the skill), especially against enemies with strong Melee/Celerity/Potence. The Camarilla Eddition Mod and a few others balanced them out a bit more.

With the CE mod they work great with a Toreador because of Celerity and Presence and their lack of damage-Disciplines.


Honestly, VTM:B's main problem and the main reason why guns never seem as powerful as melee/unarmed is because of the enemy's inability to effectively use their Disciplines.

MaxxQ1
2nd Mar 2011, 18:22
Did anyone ever use guns in Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines ?. i found it near impossible no matter the training. it always seemed more effective to use the Katana and rip everyone to shreds.

I used them, and quite effectively, I thought, considering it's not primarily a shooter. I tended to use the Katana more, though, just because it was more fun trying to get in close enough to actually use it.

It's been awhile since I've gone through the game, but I don't recall ever having real trouble with guns.

xaduha
2nd Mar 2011, 18:27
Did anyone ever use guns in Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines ?. i found it near impossible no matter the training. it always seemed more effective to use the Katana and rip everyone to shreds.
Maybe one of the community patches got a fix for it
I had the same opinion, but on my last playthrough I found them usable enough.

Reven
2nd Mar 2011, 18:39
Thanks everyone. the problems i found were that guns never seemed effective and took forever to level to anything that could pass for effective were as the katana was easy to use and could kill almost anything. its just a pity it took them so long to patch the game as that damn raft bug killed it for me.

Mindmute
2nd Mar 2011, 18:41
Thanks everyone. the problems i found were that guns never seemed effective and took forever to level to anything that could pass for effective were as the katana was easy to use and could kill almost anything. its just a pity it took them so long to patch the game as that damn raft bug killed it for me.

Try to replay it with the some major mods (CE 1.2 is my favourite). Without any bugs and the original planned content/additional fan content that they provide the game's seriously unforgetable ;)

Reven
2nd Mar 2011, 19:24
One another thing i found odd was the different vampire types you could be didnt really seem to have much to tell them apart. (but it was a long time ago i played it) what types were good for what ?

Mindmute
2nd Mar 2011, 19:52
One another thing i found odd was the different vampire types you could be didnt really seem to have much to tell them apart. (but it was a long time ago i played it) what types were good for what ?

How much did you play? :scratch: The several clans are rather different, even more so after the unofficial patches restored the history/bloodline at character creation.
At the extreme, Malkavian and Nosferatu offer a completely different experience. Malkavians will be insane and this'll affect your dialogues and how people interact with you, aswell as some non-sensical but funny moments (like argueing with a stop sign).
Nosferatu can't wander around in places where the Masquerade and have to remain hidden and travel through different means (like the sewers).


Any clan can be good at anything, but their Discipline sets means you'll likely end up playing them differently to be effective. Example: A Gangrel is always a Gangrel, you can play them effectively with firearms, but the Protean and Fortitude Disciplines make them terrifyingly powerful with their claws (dealing vast ammounts of lethal damage against everything and agravated damage to other Kindred).

St. Mellow
2nd Mar 2011, 20:59
Deus Ex - 1288

Damn our list is f'ing awesome. :D

AxiomaticBadger
2nd Mar 2011, 21:11
...Why did we even put DX in there? It was obvious it was going to win.

Vampire rocks, except for the combat dungeons. They're simply too long, the sewers especially. And you can't do a complete social playthrough, you really need some form of combat ability or you're screwed at the end.
It's tragic, because it was so close to being perfect, it only needed a few more months in development to iron out the last few wrinkles. Really sad.

Best parts?
Deb of Night
Heather Poe
Breadlust
That one dungeon. You know the one.
You have an apartment.
The TV
The TV as a malkavian
Not having to choose between the sisters and VV :naughty:

vault_overseer
2nd Mar 2011, 21:29
Just looked over the list. It's sad that F3 is rated way above F:NV and that Arcanum got so few votes.

SageSavage
2nd Mar 2011, 21:46
Wasn't sure which one to put on the list myself. I liked NV and FO3 equally but for very different reasons. Somehow FO3 left the bigger impression on me, probably because it was the first with that engine, I loved the soundtrack and because the setpieces were a bit more bombastic - and it had the subway system. On the other hand, NV's characters and writing was better, the gameplay was tweaked and expanded for the better and some of the quests offered more choice.

Reven
2nd Mar 2011, 21:51
How much did you play? :scratch: The several clans are rather different, even more so after the unofficial patches restored the history/bloodline at character creation.
At the extreme, Malkavian and Nosferatu offer a completely different experience. Malkavians will be insane and this'll affect your dialogues and how people interact with you, aswell as some non-sensical but funny moments (like argueing with a stop sign).
Nosferatu can't wander around in places where the Masquerade and have to remain hidden and travel through different means (like the sewers).


Any clan can be good at anything, but their Discipline sets means you'll likely end up playing them differently to be effective. Example: A Gangrel is always a Gangrel, you can play them effectively with firearms, but the Protean and Fortitude Disciplines make them terrifyingly powerful with their claws (dealing vast ammounts of lethal damage against everything and agravated damage to other Kindred).

I almost completed it as i was at the taxi with caine (kaine?). i first tried a toreador but even Edward cullen makes this guy look weak, (twilight ! SPIT) the rest of the time i was a Gangrel (?) wolf guy since guns were bad and katana makes great sushi. its a pitty i lost my game Steam want 15 credits and thats steep for me at the moment.

vault_overseer
2nd Mar 2011, 22:04
Wasn't sure which one to put on the list myself. I liked NV and FO3 equally but for very different reasons. Somehow FO3 left the bigger impression on me, probably because it was the first with that engine, I loved the soundtrack and because the setpieces were a bit more bombastic - and it had the subway system. On the other hand, NV's characters and writing was better, the gameplay was tweaked and expanded for the better and some of the quests offered more choice.

Some of the quests offered more choice? almost every quest(which there are 10x) in F:NV offered choice. Only two quests offered any type of real choice in F3. Bah, don't even get this one started on the ludicrousness that is F3. F:NV was like an unreachable dream coming true. F3 was like a brute with gay lumberjack's gait auditioning for a role of Odette

SageSavage
2nd Mar 2011, 22:11
...I don't think I wanna argue with that.

Cronstintein
2nd Mar 2011, 22:16
I did prefer the setting in FO3. Wandering the wasteland seemed to have more in it and was more interesting to wander in. I liked the busted up cityscape compared to the mostly empty desert.

But quest-wise, F:NV wins hands down. And the combat felt a bit tighter. Still weak for a shooter, but decent for an RPG.

vault_overseer
2nd Mar 2011, 22:24
I did prefer the setting in FO3. Wandering the wasteland seemed to have more in it and was more interesting to wander in. I liked the busted up cityscape compared to the mostly empty desert.

But quest-wise, F:NV wins hands down. And the combat felt a bit tighter. Still weak for a shooter, but decent for an RPG.

F3's setting fell apart moment you stumbled upon yet another settlement with no means of sustaining itself. Bethesda thought a lot about little things, like where to put yet another empty can, but not nearly enough about verisimilitude of the game world.

And then there was that whole "Steel be with you" and "[Intelligence] So you fight the good fight?" crap
*use loaded gun on Vault_Overseer's head*

GepardenK
2nd Mar 2011, 22:47
Confession time.
Notable games I haven't played

Thief
System Shock
Mass Effect
Chronicles of Riddick
Beyond Good & Evil
Civilization
No One Lives Forever
S.T.A.L.K.E.R
Hidden & Dangerous
Any console game
You sir are seriously missing out!!

Especially Thief, thats just... I dont know what to say

Cronstintein
3rd Mar 2011, 00:30
They just released Beyond Good and Evil HD for XBL and with it being on so many lists it's kinda tempting.

bloodyfall
3rd Mar 2011, 04:19
Chrono Trigger (hated cross)
Front Mission (any)
Deus Ex
Final Fantasy (from X and below)
Knights of the Old Republic
Mario Kart Double Dash
Tekken 5
Dragon Age
Mass Effect 1 & 2
Warcraft 3
Metal Gear Solid (all)
Valkyrie Profile

that doesnt look like a list coming from a 25 year old i know, but what can i say? http://forums.eidosgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

bloodyfall
3rd Mar 2011, 04:23
F3's setting fell apart moment you stumbled upon yet another settlement with no means of sustaining itself. Bethesda thought a lot about little things, like where to put yet another empty can, but not nearly enough about verisimilitude of the game world.

And then there was that whole "Steel be with you" and "[Intelligence] So you fight the good fight?" crap
*use loaded gun on Vault_Overseer's head*

I loved FO3 but FO:NV was so buggy that i literally sold it after 3 days because i couldn't take the freezing and glitches. That game should have been delayed. There is no excuse for that kind of sloppiness. :mad2:

Nyysjan
3rd Mar 2011, 04:32
one of my biggest issuesbout FO3 was how the waste land was so bloody full at all times, it´s like a jungle out there, more life per squaremile than most forests (also, timeline and the ruins don´t mix, the buildings look too new).

Also, VATs was badly implemented at times, and constant decapitations (with bullets) got downright silly, but that´s another issue entirely.

Pinky_Powers
3rd Mar 2011, 05:52
I was so bored with Fallout 3 after about an hour. New Vegas however, I explored every nook and cranny and did everything I could find. I loved the world, the characters, the design, the gameplay, and even the graphics. Apart from its buggyness I have no complaints.

MaxxQ1
3rd Mar 2011, 05:58
I was so bored with Fallout 3 after about an hour. New Vegas however, I explored every nook and cranny and did everything I could find. I loved the world, the characters, the design, the gameplay, and even the graphics. Apart from its buggyness I have no complaints.

Have there been any patches to fix the bugs? Reason I ask is that I have several people telling me it's a good game and I should get it, but I've so far heard nothing about it that makes me want to.

As it is, I haven't played FO3 in a couple years - completed it once, vanilla, then added some mods and had a little fun with it. I also never got any of the DLC or other add-ons for it either.

Cronstintein
3rd Mar 2011, 06:24
I'm sure it's been patched, whether or not all the bugginess is gone, I have no idea. I played on the 360 and barely saw any bugs at all in my playthrough. (at one point my follower disappeared and I had to go back to my last save, but since I save in a paranoid fashion it wasn't a big deal)

mentalkase
3rd Mar 2011, 06:47
Some of the quests offered more choice? almost every quest(which there are 10x) in F:NV offered choice. Only two quests offered any type of real choice in F3. Bah, don't even get this one started on the ludicrousness that is F3. F:NV was like an unreachable dream coming true. F3 was like a brute with gay lumberjack's gait auditioning for a role of Odette

Wow it really is you Vault Dweller? From RPGCodex? Allow me to hand you an axe to grind and a dead horse to flog.

Pinky_Powers
3rd Mar 2011, 07:12
Have there been any patches to fix the bugs? Reason I ask is that I have several people telling me it's a good game and I should get it, but I've so far heard nothing about it that makes me want to.

There have been five official major updates to the PC version. I personally hadn't seen a single bug since the first update. :)

AlexOfSpades
3rd Mar 2011, 07:30
I was so bored with Fallout 3 after about an hour. New Vegas however, I explored every nook and cranny and did everything I could find. I loved the world, the characters, the design, the gameplay, and even the graphics. Apart from its buggyness I have no complaints.

Fallout 3 got me more excited than New Vegas.

First, because i like more the "army" theme Fallout 3 has over the "cowboy" New Vegas.

Second because it was brand new. No other game was ever like that, with the vats system and whatnot. I loved it!

Why do you rather New Vegas over the original Fo3?

BigBoss
3rd Mar 2011, 08:12
Apart from its buggyness I have no complaints.

Well I couldn't finish the damn campaign because of a glitch in alliances that two of my friends also got, so I'd say that the buggyness makes up for any other lack of complaints. It has never happened to me where I can't finish a game because of a glitch that was squarely the games fault. Mercs 2 came close, but it has never happened.

Ninjerk
3rd Mar 2011, 08:33
Wow it really is you Vault Dweller? From RPGCodex? Allow me to hand you an axe to grind and a dead horse to flog.

It's ok, kase. Allow me to give you half a brain to understand why FO3 doesn't make any sense on a dizzying array of levels.

Senka
3rd Mar 2011, 08:38
Yeah, I'm sorry, Fallout 3 is terrible.

BigBoss
3rd Mar 2011, 08:39
FO3 doesn't make any sense on a dizzying array of levels.

That is a reeeeal stretch to say it 'didn't make sense' what the hell do you even mean by that?

ZakKa89
3rd Mar 2011, 08:40
that doesnt look like a list coming from a 25 year old i know, but what can i say? http://forums.eidosgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Yes it does :)

vault_overseer
3rd Mar 2011, 14:03
Wow it really is you Vault Dweller? From RPGCodex? Allow me to hand you an axe to grind and a dead horse to flog.

I'm not VD, I don't really post on Codex I'm mainly on NMA where I'm known as Incognito.

spiderferi
3rd Mar 2011, 14:08
Warcraft III - 1 billion
WoW - .5 billion
Deus Ex : 10 ^ 5 * 2
HL2: 10 ^ 5
Diablo : 10 ^ 4 *5

AxiomaticBadger
3rd Mar 2011, 15:05
One game I was tempted to put on my list was Final Fantasy IX. Anyone else enjoy that one? It's hardly ever mentioned.
I always thought it was kinda sweet.

ZakKa89
3rd Mar 2011, 15:49
I liked the art style of that one. One of the few FF games I tried, it's not really my cup of tea. Played it on a psx emulator a bit untill I was bored with it. I was kind off surprised in the scene where the kid gropes the girls ass when they are climbing up a zappelin or something. Did not expect that.

Ashpolt
3rd Mar 2011, 16:19
One game I was tempted to put on my list was Final Fantasy IX. Anyone else enjoy that one? It's hardly ever mentioned.
I always thought it was kinda sweet.

FFIX was a wonderful game. I bought it again last year when it came out on PSN, and played it on my PSP on the train to work for quite a while, and it's still great fun (same as FFVII.) It's also a really good example of how a great art style can overcome technical limitations to produce a beautiful game. (See also: Vagrant Story.)

xaduha
3rd Mar 2011, 16:33
Under-appreciated game list?
Cant name one right now, but...

How many of you played Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale series in co-op mode?
Icewind Dale is not that great on RPG side but as co-op adventure to play with friends - very much.
Baldur's Gate in 1.5 times better with co-op too.

There was no co-op in PS:T sadly.

vault_overseer
3rd Mar 2011, 17:09
Co-op reading?

xaduha
3rd Mar 2011, 17:17
Maybe it's not that bad? :)
Engine supported co-op, why cut it out?

AxiomaticBadger
3rd Mar 2011, 17:34
Playing BG2 co-op would mean having to leave one of the NPCs behind.
That's a price I'm not prepared to pay :D

68_pie
3rd Mar 2011, 20:55
Playing BG2 co-op would mean having to leave one of the NPCs behind.
That's a price I'm not prepared to pay :D

I tend to play BG1+2 in multiplayer mode. I create 5 characters so that I get the party I want but I can still recruit an npc so I can do their specific quests (and get the Viconia romance ;)).

Pinky_Powers
3rd Mar 2011, 21:59
Why do you rather New Vegas over the original Fo3?

I've explained this in the past, ad nauseum, so I'll just summarize by saying this: The Bethesda syndrome. They're great at making big-ass worlds, but terrible at giving me any reason to explore them. Shallow characters. Poor writing. Uninteresting quests (with few exceptions). Absolutely no emotional connection to anything in the world.

See? I already went into more detail than I wanted to. The new Bethesda makes games I can't get into. Oblivion and Fallout3 had a lot going for them, but in the end they felt pointless and hollow.

Bethesda needs new writers if I'm going to buy another one of their games. I cannot get into an RPG where 99% of the characters are boring and lifeless.

Mass Effect 1&2 might be more Shooter than RPG, but BioWare makes games that enthrall me from start to finish. The social gameplay feels as rich and exciting as the combat.

Reven
3rd Mar 2011, 22:06
I've explained this in the past, ad nauseum, so I'll just summarize by saying this: The Bethesda syndrome. They're great at making big-ass worlds, but terrible at giving me any reason to explore them. Shallow characters. Poor writing. Uninteresting quests (with few exceptions). Absolutely no emotional connection to anything in the world.

See? I already went into more detail than I wanted to. The new Bethesda makes games I can't get into. Oblivion and Fallout3 had a lot going for them, but in the end they felt pointless and hollow.

Bethesda needs new writers if I'm going to buy another one of their games. I cannot get into an RPG where 99% of the characters are boring and lifeless.

Mass Effect 1&2 might be more Shooter than RPG, but BioWare makes games that enthrall me from start to finish. The social gameplay feels as rich and exciting as the combat.

What did you think of Morrowind ?

ZakKa89
3rd Mar 2011, 23:03
New Vegas had more interesting quests, world, characters and story.

Fallout 3 looked better on a technical level yes, but the world was bland at times. Sometimes the game was waay too gray. New Vegas actually has interesting places to explore and find. I still don't like the dungeons/vaults though. Also, New Vegas comes closer to give you the feel you are actually in some kind of city when in vegas.

I absolutely hated oblivion.

AlexOfSpades
3rd Mar 2011, 23:27
Ah, i see.

Well, Charon was the top Fallout companion for me, perhaps losing only to that bald-man in Fallout 2 (that sometimes screamed "i'll use my limit breaker" during combat)

Oblivion was my first Elder Scrolls experience, so i just loved it.

And after that, all of that, when i tried Morrowind i couldnt stand it for more than two minutes. Sorry guys. Its just impossible to play some series in the opposite way.

ZakKa89
3rd Mar 2011, 23:34
Well, Charon was the top Fallout companion for me, perhaps losing only to that bald-man in Fallout 2 (that sometimes screamed "i'll use my limit breaker" during combat)

Uhm... Marcus? No love? ;)

vault_overseer
3rd Mar 2011, 23:36
Ah, i see.

Well, Charon was the top Fallout companion for me, perhaps losing only to that bald-man in Fallout 2 (that sometimes screamed "i'll use my limit breaker" during combat)

Oblivion was my first Elder Scrolls experience, so i just loved it.

And after that, all of that, when i tried Morrowind i couldnt stand it for more than two minutes. Sorry guys. Its just impossible to play some series in the opposite way.

Bald man from F2? Cassidy? Did you know that Cass from F:NV is his daughter and was written by the same person(one and only MCA)

Ninjerk
4th Mar 2011, 00:04
That is a reeeeal stretch to say it 'didn't make sense' what the hell do you even mean by that?

The objective of the main characters' father doesn't make sense, none of the settlements make sense on their own or in connection with one another, the character building system hardly has any impact, the ending doesn't make sense if you have a certain sidekick with you, and probably more I can't remember because I haven't played that godforsaken game since it came out.

Pinky_Powers
4th Mar 2011, 00:35
What did you think of Morrowind ?

I never really played Morrowind. I tried it a few months back, but modding it up to the 2009 build broke the game, and I could never fix it.

The moment someone packages a fully modded Morrowind, where all I have to do is copy one set of files over... once... and the game works, I'll be happy to play it. But I don't have the patients to mod it up one mod at a time and then troubleshoot it when it's utterly broken.

luminar
4th Mar 2011, 16:49
I have to say I prefer fallout 3 over new vegas. (I know I put vegas on my top list.) New vegas makes so many promises and doesn't really follow through. Perception and agility are supposed to affect your accuracy and your movement speed respectively, but they don't. Sneak only affects anything up to 50 and then is useless. The maintance ability linked to repair is broken. In order for new vegas to surpass FO3 it will need a massive patch. Even the quests and exploration were more fun in FO3. Not to mention the fact that most armor is unwearable since it will get you killed by the opposing factions.

AlexOfSpades
4th Mar 2011, 18:24
That's true.

The faction system was actually a problem ;

If i disguised myself as a Powder Ganger, for example, the Powder gangers would still attempt to kill me .

However, all of the Powder Ganger enemies (such as the NCR) will also target me, so the disguise actually just makes everyone hate you instantly.

handgriffsorgfaeltig
4th Mar 2011, 18:48
I never really played Morrowind. I tried it a few months back, but modding it up to the 2009 build broke the game, and I could never fix it.

The moment someone packages a fully modded Morrowind, where all I have to do is copy one set of files over... once... and the game works, I'll be happy to play it. But I don't have the patients to mod it up one mod at a time and then troubleshoot it when it's utterly broken.

dear pres pinky! you really should give it another try ^^ i lost a big chunk of lifetime in this game and never regret it...i modded it with the actual overhaul project lately, only probs so far: two different laguage versions - i had to repair the scripts manually...haven't burned all thrusters yet, but looks nothing like the game i played years ago:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8817/mgescreenshot004.th.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/mgescreenshot004.jpg/) http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/39/mgescreenshot013.th.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/mgescreenshot013.jpg/) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7397/mgescreenshot017.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/mgescreenshot017.jpg/)


@CODelite - try it too; it's marvelous

sonicsidewinder
4th Mar 2011, 19:08
I only just started playing morrowind. I decided not to mod it as i think i owe it to the game and myself to play it as originally intended, at least at first. It's a very detailed and lore-saturated world; just makes it exellent when you get into it. Mods can't change that.

But i have to say those modded images are very nice.

handgriffsorgfaeltig
4th Mar 2011, 19:26
... I decided not to mod it as i think i owe it to the game and myself to play it as originally intended...

you truly earned my respect, sir!


...but now i feel the need for diggin after old shots ^^

Mindmute
4th Mar 2011, 19:52
That's true.

The faction system was actually a problem ;

If i disguised myself as a Powder Ganger, for example, the Powder gangers would still attempt to kill me .

However, all of the Powder Ganger enemies (such as the NCR) will also target me, so the disguise actually just makes everyone hate you instantly.

Don't blame the tools, mate ;)
Some guards are able to see through disguises and that was intended in the way they designed the factions. That way, supposedly, the player'll have to try to remain as neutral as possible to experience all the factions properly.


Perception and agility are supposed to affect your accuracy and your movement speed respectively, but they don't.
I noticed slower reloading and gun-associated actions playing with low agility, actually. Never knew it was supposed to affect your movement speed... Wasn't it just the weight of the armour that was supposed to do that?



Sneak only affects anything up to 50 and then is useless.


Wait what? I played my last playthrough with a high-sneak + revolver character and I didn't find it useless at all. I was significantly harder to notice with 50+ sneak then I was with 50.


Even the quests and exploration were more fun in FO3.
Subjective, to be honest. At least the quests in NV were more varied, allowed you different types of approaches and actually mattered to the world. How many quests other than Megaton ended up having the slightest impact on the world in Fallout?



Not to mention the fact that most armor is unwearable since it will get you killed by the opposing factions.


And that is just not true. There was far more non-faction armour than there was faction. And since when is having to pick a side bad? Doesn't that actually let you RP a faction if you want?

luminar
4th Mar 2011, 22:07
Don't blame the tools, mate ;)
Some guards are able to see through disguises and that was intended in the way they designed the factions. That way, supposedly, the player'll have to try to remain as neutral as possible to experience all the factions properly.


I noticed slower reloading and gun-associated actions playing with low agility, actually. Never knew it was supposed to affect your movement speed... Wasn't it just the weight of the armour that was supposed to do that?



Wait what? I played my last playthrough with a high-sneak + revolver character and I didn't find it useless at all. I was significantly harder to notice with 50+ sneak then I was with 50.

Subjective, to be honest. At least the quests in NV were more varied, allowed you different types of approaches and actually mattered to the world. How many quests other than Megaton ended up having the slightest impact on the world in Fallout?



And that is just not true. There was far more non-faction armour than there was faction. And since when is having to pick a side bad? Doesn't that actually let you RP a faction if you want?

Yes I think I read it in the manual that agility is supposed to affect movement. To be honest with the sneak deal I'm going off a list of bugs on the vault wiki for new vegas. You have a point on the effect the quests have on the world but I still found the FO3 quests and locations more interesting. Sure their was plenty of nonfaction armor but who didn't want to wear the legions armor. Also if you wear faction armor it changes your rep with each faction which can mess with quests not to mention your mind. (Example: I once wore legion armor into the crimson caravan base and was killed so I assumed my game was glitched and started over not realising my armor was the cause.) As for picking a side its fine but you cut out a ton of quests and even any relations with the opposing faction at all.

vault_overseer
4th Mar 2011, 22:14
Omg real c&c kill it with fire!!!!

68_pie
5th Mar 2011, 02:37
Omg real c&c kill it with fire!!!!

haha :D qft

handgriffsorgfaeltig
5th Mar 2011, 04:53
don't wanna kill your patience, but maybe this pic will compare the difference between all these years...

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5253/compal.th.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/compal.jpg/)

sonicsidewinder
5th Mar 2011, 16:25
Patience - Killed

But i'll live lol

dxb
5th Mar 2011, 16:49
Ok, I just decided I want to play through Morrowind again. After I download it, what mods should I get if I just want to improve it aesthetically?

68_pie
5th Mar 2011, 18:01
Ok, I just decided I want to play through Morrowind again. After I download it, what mods should I get if I just want to improve it aesthetically?

Start with this: Overhaul Mod (http://morrowindoverhaul.net/blog/)

Then check Cloud Zephyr (http://cloud-zephyr.atspace.com/morrowind_modlist.html) for a list of recommended stuff.

dxb
5th Mar 2011, 18:43
Start with this: Overhaul Mod (http://morrowindoverhaul.net/blog/)

Then check Cloud Zephyr (http://cloud-zephyr.atspace.com/morrowind_modlist.html) for a list of recommended stuff.

Thanks.

handgriffsorgfaeltig
5th Mar 2011, 18:51
yeah, what 68_pie said...overhaul is very easy to handle and provides good documentation...there are tons of good mods and conversions, but some of those are a bit tricky to keep track of things...

KoStA
6th Mar 2011, 02:12
Love the list! Of course Deus-Ex was "slightly" overrated, but that has to be expected :D
The top 20 of this list is right on the money, save for perhaps 2-3 games that i personally wouldn't consider amongst the greatest.

You should do a "best movie of all time" list aswell.
I'm quite a nerd when it comes to great films, and would love to see what the board comes up with.

xaduha
7th Mar 2011, 16:11
Don't know about movies, but I would like to see "Best Games No One Played" list, something like http://www.listal.com/list/best-games-no-one-played

SageSavage
7th Mar 2011, 16:53
You should do a "best movie of all time" list aswell.
I'm quite a nerd when it comes to great films, and would love to see what the board comes up with.

Hm, let's see...

Requiem For A Dream
Ratatouille
Godfather II
Goodfellas
Pulp Fiction
Sunset Blvd.
Love Exposure
The Wild Bunch
Amélie
Once Upon a Time in the West
The Mirror (by Tarkovsky)
Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind
Apocalypse Now
Oldboy
Bin-jip
Das Boot
Yojimbo
Cinema Paradiso
Amores Perros
Monday (Sabu)
Fight Club
No Country For Old Men
There Will Be Blood
Dark City
Trainspotting
Taxi Driver
Sin City
Ghost In The Shell
Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas
Fargo
American Beauty
Lola rennt
Natural Born Killers / Badlands
Leon, The Professional
True Romance
Million Dollar Baby
Das Leben Der Anderen
Memories Of Matsuko
Survive Style 5+
Mulholland Drive
Shawshank Redemption
Amadeus
LA Confidential
China Town
Fallen Angels
O Brother, Where Art Thou?
Head-On (Gegen Die Wand)
Edge Of Heaven (Auf Der Anderen Seite)
Aguirre
Fitzcaralldo
Pan's Labyrinth

I honestly can't condense this list any further I am also unable to rank them. Instead I guess there are countless other movie I just can't remember at the moment that also belong in this list.

MaxxQ1
7th Mar 2011, 17:12
Hm, let's see...

Shankshaw Redemption

*Shawshank* Redemption. :D

SageSavage
7th Mar 2011, 17:26
*Shawshank* Redemption. :D
Fixed. :o

MrFoxter
7th Mar 2011, 19:19
I haven't seen many movies, these are just the ones I love despite their (sometimes bigger) flaws:

Blade Runner
Minority Report
Matrix
Sunshine
Renaissance
Inception
District 9
Moon
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Pulp Fiction
Inglourious Basterds

Has anyone by the chance seen The Adjustment Bureau? Can you recommend it?

Blackbird SR-71C
7th Mar 2011, 20:50
I have to say that despise the praise it gets, there is one weak point to Deus Ex that somewhat breaks the game for me: Ammunition. I've gone through the first three levels and right now located the first of three Ambrosia barrels, and I'm out of non-lethal ammo. No tranquilizer darts, no prod charges, not even gas grenades. The only non-lethal options I have now are batoning enemies unconscious or spraying them with the pepper gun (which will last for three persons maximum). Every enemy I check has 10mm pistols and knifes, with occaisonal flamethrowers and sniper rifles in between. So what am I supposed to do? I really can't think of anything besides sneaking my way through somehow, which forces me to change my style of gameplay. Might as well start using the rocket launcher the last guard dropped, would at least be far faster.

KoStA
7th Mar 2011, 21:21
Hm, let's see...

.............A list of seriously great films.............

I honestly can't condense this list any further I am also unable to rank them. Instead I guess there are countless other movie I just can't remember at the moment that also belong in this list.


You have a point.
There are quite a few really good ones worthy of mention in a "greatest of all" list.

Dr. Strangelove
Pulp Fiction
Das Boot
The Godfather
The Good The Bad and The Ugly
The Usual Suspects
Paths of Glory
The Terminator
2001 A Space Odyssey
Talvisota
Shichinin no samurai
Blade Runner
Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
Reservoir Dogs
Almost Famous
Schindler's List
The Manchurian Candidate (the 60's version)
Casino
Full Metal Jacket
Oldboy
Raging Bull
Apocalypse Now
Cidade de Deus
True Grit (the one with John Wayne)
The Bridge on the River Kwai
Aguirre: The Wrath of God
Barry Lyndon
Citizen Kane
Millers Crossing
Once Upon a Time in the West
American Psycho
Pan's Labyrinth
The Big Lebowski
Solyaris
Man on the Roof

Jerion
7th Mar 2011, 21:22
I have to say that despise the praise it gets, there is one weak point to Deus Ex that somewhat breaks the game for me: Ammunition. I've gone through the first three levels and right now located the first of three Ambrosia barrels, and I'm out of non-lethal ammo. No tranquilizer darts, no prod charges, not even gas grenades. The only non-lethal options I have now are batoning enemies unconscious or spraying them with the pepper gun (which will last for three persons maximum). Every enemy I check has 10mm pistols and knifes, with occaisonal flamethrowers and sniper rifles in between. So what am I supposed to do? I really can't think of anything besides sneaking my way through somehow, which forces me to change my style of gameplay. Might as well start using the rocket launcher the last guard dropped, would at least be far faster.

I find that limited sneaking tends to go hand-in-hand with non-lethal. If you avoid unimportant guards, take important ones down swiftly from behind and be careful to scrounge for ammo from every source (including sellers), NL ammo becomes less scarce, even a somewhat plentiful option.

And hey, cameras, turrets and bots aren't people. When fighting against those contraptions, let the rockets fly!

KoStA
7th Mar 2011, 21:52
I have to say that despise the praise it gets, there is one weak point to Deus Ex that somewhat breaks the game for me: Ammunition. I've gone through the first three levels and right now located the first of three Ambrosia barrels, and I'm out of non-lethal ammo. No tranquilizer darts, no prod charges, not even gas grenades. The only non-lethal options I have now are batoning enemies unconscious or spraying them with the pepper gun (which will last for three persons maximum). Every enemy I check has 10mm pistols and knifes, with occaisonal flamethrowers and sniper rifles in between. So what am I supposed to do? I really can't think of anything besides sneaking my way through somehow, which forces me to change my style of gameplay. Might as well start using the rocket launcher the last guard dropped, would at least be far faster.

Yupp, resource management is a big part of the game. You have to conserve your ammo when you go non-lethal, only use your riot prod/tranq dart when you have to, and explore A LOT! there are stuff hidden in not so obvious locations. It´s mostly early game you will be short on ammo.

MrFoxter
7th Mar 2011, 22:14
I have to say that despise the praise it gets, there is one weak point to Deus Ex that somewhat breaks the game for me: Ammunition. I've gone through the first three levels and right now located the first of three Ambrosia barrels, and I'm out of non-lethal ammo. No tranquilizer darts, no prod charges, not even gas grenades. The only non-lethal options I have now are batoning enemies unconscious or spraying them with the pepper gun (which will last for three persons maximum). Every enemy I check has 10mm pistols and knifes, with occaisonal flamethrowers and sniper rifles in between. So what am I supposed to do? I really can't think of anything besides sneaking my way through somehow, which forces me to change my style of gameplay. Might as well start using the rocket launcher the last guard dropped, would at least be far faster.

Sorry, but that's the challenge. If you wasted all your non-lethal ammo so fast, then the problem is in your playstyle, not in the game. The game is very liberal in the matter of playstyle, but it lays some requirements on you too. Try to sneak past some guards without touching them, especially when you don't need to go through that place again. You will be surprised how easily you can get around some guards and save your ammo for later. Remember, when you can't see them, they can't see you. Even when you are hiding behind 20 cm wide stick.

Pinky_Powers
8th Mar 2011, 00:02
Pinky's The highly subjective, biased and flawed list of 100 best movies of all time. (http://www.imdb.com/list/U6Ooll454n0/)

Rindill the Red
8th Mar 2011, 00:50
Pinky's The highly subjective, biased and flawed list of 100 best movies of all time. (http://www.imdb.com/list/U6Ooll454n0/)

nice list

xeoncat
8th Mar 2011, 01:01
The Longest Journey - 25
Homeworld - 25
Thief II - The Metal Age - 15
Deus Ex - 10
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - 10
The Witcher - 10
Assassin's Creed II - 10
Mirror's Edge - 10
Starcraft - 5
Riven - 5
Unreal Tournament - 5
Fallout 3 - 5
Mass Effect 2 - 5
Mechwarrior 2 - 5
Chess - 5 (nobody said it must be videogames =] In spite of me not playing very much and in spite of me not being a very good player, this game have elicited in me some of the strongest emotional responses in a game and it achieves a gameplay of extreme complexity in spite of simple rules )

sonicsidewinder
8th Mar 2011, 02:16
Chess - 5 (nobody said it must be videogames =] In spite of me not playing very much and in spite of me not being a very good player, this game have elicited in me some of the strongest emotional responses in a game and it achieves a gameplay of extreme complexity in spite of simple rules )

Nothing beats the mental stand-off provided by a good game o' chess. Havn't played for AGES! Need to challenge my daddio sometime...but the poor fool succumed to WoW, so it aint likely to happen :(

And this is the best film ever made:
hNjbx_-BtP8

MrFoxter
8th Mar 2011, 06:29
Pinky's The highly subjective, biased and flawed list of 100 best movies of all time. (http://www.imdb.com/list/U6Ooll454n0/)

I love you Pinky! Or at least the part of you responsible for a sci-fi part of your list.

xeoncat
8th Mar 2011, 11:40
Nothing beats the mental stand-off provided by a good game o' chess. Havn't played for AGES!
I think it's a bit ridiculous that a game with such poor graphics can immerse you so much, at least, that's what I feel when I play it.


Need to challenge my daddio sometime...but the poor fool succumed to WoW, so it aint likely to happen :(

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

handgriffsorgfaeltig
8th Mar 2011, 11:49
movies ^^ ... nice shots so long...just want to add a few missing ones:

Nosferatu
Aktion Mutante
Dune
Naked Lunch
Lost Highway
Phantasm II
Two-Lane Blacktop
MachineGirl
Hellraiser
Der Name der Rose
Event Horizon

sonicsidewinder
8th Mar 2011, 15:36
Event Horizon

I saw that WAY before i should have been allowed to lol.

handgriffsorgfaeltig
8th Mar 2011, 18:18
I saw that WAY before i should have been allowed to lol.

...and it made you a better person; am i right ? :D

mentalkase
9th Mar 2011, 08:58
movies ^^ ... nice shots so long...just want to add a few missing ones:

Nosferatu
Aktion Mutante
Dune
Naked Lunch
Lost Highway
Phantasm II
Two-Lane Blacktop
MachineGirl
Hellraiser
Der Name der Rose
Event Horizon

The Name of the Rose is an amazing underrated movie. Nothing like the book, but it has a great grotesque visual sensibility. Definately my favourite Ron Perlman role.

AxiomaticBadger
9th Mar 2011, 09:57
Films, In no particular order....

Dune
Starcrash
Wall-E
The Emperor's New Groove
Ocean's 11
Stranger Than Fiction
Shawn Of The Dead
Star Wars 4, 5, 6
Aliens
Evil Dead
Fifth Element
Highlander
Blade Runner
The Princess Bride
The Court Jester
Tron
Serenity

And finally, my all time favourite ... Dark City.

Serendipitous
9th Mar 2011, 10:14
Pinky's The highly subjective, biased and flawed list of 100 best movies of all time. (http://www.imdb.com/list/U6Ooll454n0/)

This is probably the best list I've ever seen.

Here's my top five:
Last year at Marienbad (1961)
Persona (1966)
Nikita (1990)
Pi (1998)
Memento (2000)

mentalkase
9th Mar 2011, 10:22
Movies that i've enjoyed, in no particular order:

2001: A Space Odyssey
Rushmore
The Name of the Rose
Brazil
12 Monkeys
Blade Runner
Monte Python and the Holy Grail
Serenity
5th Element
Amelie
A Very Long Engagement
Aliens
Chungking Express
2046
Suzhou River
Blow Out
The Ipcress File

I'm missing a million movies I really love but this is all I can think of right now.

ZakKa89
9th Mar 2011, 10:35
I saw that WAY before i should have been allowed to lol.

I saw starship troopers when I was 8. First movie I've seen in cinema. Best movie experience I've ever had.

SageSavage
9th Mar 2011, 11:50
I saw Poltergeist when I was 8. Most terrifying movie experience I ever had. The nightmares kept coming for about 2 months.

St. Mellow
9th Mar 2011, 16:01
So it's on to movies... I'm too lazy to make a proper list now, but my all-time top five ten fifteen twenty (dammit I love movies too much to leave any of these out at least) would be:

1. American Beauty
2. Kagemusha
3. 2001: A Space Odyssey
4. Original Star Wars Trilogy (Return being my favorite.)
5. The Holy Mountain
6. The Godfather (A tie between parts 1 & 2.)
7. The Last Samurai
8. Waking Life
9. Mishima: A Life In Four Chapters
10. The Seventh Seal
11. Cinema Paradiso
12. Trois Couleurs Trilogy (Specifically Bleu.)
13. Blade Runner
14. The Maltese Falcon
15. La Vita È Bella
16. Being John Malkovich
17. Noriko's Dinner Table (Sono's masterpiece, surpasses and stands better on its own than as a prequel/sequel to Suicide Club, IMO. Subject to change as I haven't watched Love Exposure yet, and from what I've heard...)
18. The Shawshank Redemption
19. Office Space (Best comedy ever!)
20. Babel

And still so many are left out...

MaxxQ1
9th Mar 2011, 16:51
In my case, it's easier if I just list my all-time *worst* movies. I'm ordinarily pretty easy-going with regards to movies, but these are the ones that I would gather every copy in existence and press delete. While the rest are in no particular order, the first on the list is the worst of the lot.


Starship Troopers
Rollerball (remake)
War of the Worlds (Tom Cruise version)
Avatar
The Day the Earth Stood Still (Keanu Reeves version)


Yeah, it's a short list. I can usually find some kind of enjoyment out of most movies, even if it's something like Wolfen, where I was laughing through most of it. These films above (and have you noticed the trend?) I would have walked out of the theater had I seen them there. Well... admittedly, I saw Starship Troopers in the theater, but I have a hard rule that I never walk out on movies. The rest I've only seen on DVD that someone else bought.

handgriffsorgfaeltig
9th Mar 2011, 17:19
@MaxxQ1 hmm...i saw starship troopers in cinema too; also read the book of course...i thought verhoeven tried a kind of contemporary interpretation...ok, i like the little (sometimes subtile ) things you almost notice...but also the aggressiv surreal behavior; you maybe remember the windows-like-popup : would you like to know more? ... starship troopers was partly easy to read like cgildrens paint book...but that doesn't changed the statement...

@mentalkase your comment about tNotR; couldn't said it any better ^^

xaduha
9th Mar 2011, 17:27
Movies are short and many, and we are getting nowhere with this imho.
Let try to list books (preferably with audio editions), podcasts and radio series (like Radiolab).