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Keir
6th Dec 2010, 14:52
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Links to important forum threads and popular topics:

Complete Archive of Tomb Raider PC Saved Game Files (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=135407) (Big database of PC game saves)

Official Player Tips & Tricks thread (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=134219) (handy combat and other tips)

Console or PC? (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=133434) (Can't decide between buying the PC or a console version? Look here for opinions.)

PS3 or Xbox 360? (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=131698) (Can't decide between buying the PS3 or 360 version? Look here for opinions.)

Official Re-playability thread (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=126899) (Discuss what to do after completing the main story)

The official pre-order questions & comments thread (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=129866) (All discussions on pre-ordering TR9. Look here for info on which editions there are and where they are available. You'll also find user experiences with retailers here.)

Tomb Raider: The Countdown & Launch Party Thread (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=132162&highlight=official) (Fangasm thread! Express your excitement for the launch of TR9. How will you celebrate the release of Lara's latest adventure? Mods will be more lenient on spam and double posts in this thread :))

The official forum members birthday thread (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=132341) (Is it your birthday today? Post here!)

Official Show Your Appreciation Thread (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=129602) (A one-stop for all thank-you's and kudos to the dev team)

Post your Steam / PSN / XBOX Live usernames here (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=132155) (Find and share handles for playing TR9 Multi Player with your fellow forum buddies)

Official Ambassadors Q&A links (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=126385) (TR community Q&A articles, videos and audio recordings from E3 2012)

Quick Note to All Members (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=126318) (Short message from the staff about the forum's post report feature)

Tomb Raider Tours (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=125414) (Check out some of the impressive fan collections)

Game Expo & Community Events (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=123366) (Photos of events, including a lot of cosplay!)

TR9 Demo Discussion Thread (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=116898) (Discuss what you would like to see out of a demo)

CrystalD officials introduction and welcome thread (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=119281) (talk with the TR devs!)

New Lara voice actress (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=115842) (Discussions about the actress who voices Lara in the new game, Camilla Luddington.)

Lara's new look & body (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=116317) (From head to toe - discuss Lara's new physical features. Warning: boob discussions always lurking around a corner :D)

Official wishlist for the TR9 development team (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=118311) (Got some ideas for the new game? Share it in this thread or vote for wishes already posted. THE DEVS ARE READING THIS THREAD!)

Tomb Raider (2013) Hollywood movie (confirmed!) discussion thread (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=116971) (Talk about the upcoming Hollywood Tomb Raider film)

Message about scans (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=115222) (Important notice about copyrighted material)

A message from Karl Stewart – Global Brand Director – Crystal Dynamics/Tomb Raider (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=116004)

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UPDATES! Note: Updates appear with the newer ones at the top in this thread.

Update September 29, 2011 - New Q&A with the devs:

On the franchise and the game
- Will there be an entire franchise built after this game ?
With this reboot, Crystal Dynamics is of course thinking globally. The idea is to reboot the entire franchise and not just this one game, but this is step number one and the studio wants to make sure that this experience is perfect and well-received by players before thinking to a sequel.

- When will we see a gameplay trailer ?
Not before 2012. Crystal Dynamics intends to send newsletters, to produce podcasts and to update the blog, but, except for these community events, there won’t be any wave of new infos before 2012. Patience…

- Are there any news of a third movie ?
Yes, it’s been officially signed. That movie will most likely be about this rebooted Lara Croft as well, to stay consistent with the rest of the franchise.

- What’s the completion level of the project ?
The completion of the first section is around 70%, but the village section is less advanced. There’s no official state of completion for the global project.

- What’s the game duration ?
It is still too early to give a definitive figure, but the idea is to stay competitive with the other games of the genre, the action/adventure games of today.

- Will there be any game extension or DLC ? If so, on which platform ?
Crystal Dynamics is obviously not ready to talk about DLCs, but they are aware that exclusive DLCs, such as Beneath The Ashes and Lara’s Shadow can make a lot of players unhappy. They would like to have feedback about that, on Twitter (http://twitter.com/tombraider), Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/TombRaider) or the official forums (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=118311).

On the gameplay
- Will there be several levels of difficulty in this game ?
It has become a rule in action/adventure games nowadays. Besides, Crystal Dynamics are really working on the calibration for each player. Those who want to really struggle should be able to do so.

- Will the help icons be optional ?
It is hard to answer at the moment, but this is another thing Crystal Dynamics would like to know your opinion about. If you think that help icons should be optional, then speak about it.

- Will Survival Instinct be optional ?
Yes, absolutely. It is just an ability that the players can trigger whenever they want. It isn’t mandatory.
(I actually tried not to use it, and I got lost in that very same demo that was shown at E3)

- Will we be able to explore really extensively ?
Yes BUT this is not an open world. The players will have to discover the island in a specific order for the narration to make sense. But yes, the idea is that the player should be able to reach whatever they see, with the appropriate gear and abilities.
Let’s take the example of the abandoned village : for starters, she can only reach the wolf cave, she doesn’t have the gear or the abilities to get to the radio tower. When she leaves Roth, she has the climbing axe and it seems that she’s heading towards a base camp to get new abilities. She will then be able to reach the radio tower. Later in the game, it seems that she’ll also be able to climb even higher to the giant Buddha statue that can be seen on some concept arts. Oh yes, it also seems that there will be secrets to discover (but we couldn’t go into the specifics) !

- What are base camps for ? How are they meant to be used ? How will we travel from one to another ?
The studio won’t unveil too much about the base camps. We already know that Lara learns new abilities there but we couldn’t go into the specifics, such as the way the abilities are unlocked. We also know that, once a base camp has been discovered, it can be used to fast travel from one camp to the other. And it probably won’t be a cinematic cutscene * la Myst or Riven.

- Will the QTE be more organic than in the last 3 games ?
Yes, the controls are designed to be more natural in order to allow a better immersion in the game.

- Will the weather change throughout the game ? If so, will it be random or scripted ?
The weather will change, yes. For the demo, it is scripted for mood purposes but, at this moment, Meagan couldn’t specify if it would be random or scripted. She said she will include that question and the development in that field in one of the next podcasts.

- What are Lara’s new moves ?
There are several new moves, i.a. for climbing and exploring. The course-corrected jumps are new, such as the wall scramble… We can also count on new moves for the combats, although Crystal Dynamics aren’t ready to unveil them.

- Do you use the motion capture ?
Not for the game itself, most of the animations are created by the Animation team. It is the case for the cutscenes though : the actors are doing motion capture and voice capture at the same time, so that the cutsecenes are more consistent between expressions, movies, and lines. For example, when Lara pulls Roth under the temporary shelter, the actress recording the voice capture was really pulling someone on the ground.

- How does climbing work ? Is it free climbing ?
While we didn’t see Lara climbing her way up to the radio tower with the axe, we heard that climbing is more organic than before. That wall scramble move can be performed anywhere, but does that mean that Lara will be able to climb on any surface ? We’re not sure. She can reach the shacks roofs by wall scrambling then jump up.

- Will Lara have the twin pistols ?
No comment. Like Karl said in one of the last podcasts, there are some iconic parts of Lara Croft that Crystal Dynamics intends to keep, but they’re not saying which ones.

- Will Lara be able to shoot arrows with the bow ?
Yes. She collects some arrows in the shacks of the abandoned village.

- Will Lara have to feed to stay alive ?
It doesn’t look like it. Although food will play a role in the healing system, this won’t be a game where you have to pick up berries to keep Lara alive.
Note that she also finds food items in the abandoned village.

- What is the savegame system ?
Checkpoints.

Scenario
- Are there more characters to reveal ?
Yes.

- There were some deleted scenes in Underworld, which made the game look somehow unfinished. Will there be any deleted scene in this one ?
The goal with such a long production period is, on the contrary, to make a complete and finished game. Nevertheless, there are some ideas, included in early artworks, that didn’t make it into the game itself. We don’t know what ones yet, and we might never know.

Lara Croft
- Has Lara’s biography been completely changed ?
Yes. She’s 21, fresh out of the university. Her motivations, her life, her biography are playing a role in this story, so it is probable that we won’t learn more about it before the release. This is a reboot of the entire franchise, and of her entire biography. So there won’t be Von Croy, Kurtis nor Natla in Lara’s past.

- Most of the fictions quoted as inspirations behind the game have a masculine leading role (Batman, AC, UC, 127 Hours). Are there women that are role models or inspirations for building this adventure or rebuilding Lara Croft ?
Meagan wasn’t there for the beginning of the concept, so she couldn’t answer that question. Nevertheless, she thought that it is less a matter of gender than a matter of spirit : movies and games quoted as inspirations fit the spirit that Crystal Dynamics wants to set.

- Who is Lara’s English voice ?
No comment. Expect an announcement in early 2012.

- Who’s Lara’s French voice ?
She hasn’t been chosen yet. There was a huge debate whether it should be Françoise Cadol, the woman who’s been voicing Lara since 1996 (and in the movies), or a voice that is fresh new. Most of players would like to have her traditional voice back.

- We know that there’s no an official Lara Croft model for this game, but will there ever be models again ?
No, never. With this game trying to be more realistic and a third movie in the works, Crystal Dynamics doesn’t think there’s a need for another Lara out there. It would just be more confusing.

Tomb Raider goodies
- Will there be a Collector’s Edition and what will it content ?
Crystal Dynamics will try their best to make a valuable Collector’s Edition as well as an official soundtrack. They will see that both of them will also be available in Europe. They also know that sometimes the goodies included in a CE can be a problem (the batarang included in the CE of Batman : Arkham Asylum was forbidden in some country).

- What are the other goodies planned ?
There will be more than just the CE, and this is once again a topic on which Crystal Dynamics wants feedback. They also want to avoid cheap but ugly stuff, such as some recent figurines that we won’t mention :D They want good goodies ! :p

Courtesy of Clara (source (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?p=1691444#post1691444))

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Update July 22, 2011 - What We Know About the Game So Far:

Although the intriguing tagline "A Survivor is Born" is being used to promote it, the publishers stress that the ninth game in the series will be titled simply: TOMB RAIDER *



Planned release date: Fall 2012
TOMB RAIDER is currently in development by Crystal Dynamics, the same studio that created Tomb Raider: Legend, Anniversary and Underworld, as well as Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light, and will be published by Square Enix.
The game begins with a 21-year-old Lara Croft shipwrecked on a mysterious island in the so-called "Dragon's Triangle" off the coast of Japan.
Before the accident, Lara is part of a group searching for Kublai Khan's lost fleet. The leader, an older man named Conrad Roth, can be seen in the game trailer and some of the screenshots. He serves as Lara's mentor, and she must help him survive when he becomes injured.
In retelling Lara's origin story, the developers have said they hope to make her a more complex, human and culturally relevant hero, in part by putting her in an extremely dangerous and challenging situation through which she will ultimately prevail.
This time around there will be no real-life model representing Lara for promotional events; however, the game will employ extensive use of motion-capture technology.
The voice actor who'll play Lara has not yet been announced, but Keeley Hawes will not be voicing Lara this time. To hear a bit of the new voice, watch the trailer video above.
The game is being built using an updated version of the Legend-Underworld engine with more realistic, physics-based interactions within the game world.
Tomb Raider staples like puzzles, combat, exploration and action will still be the foundation of the game but will be more realistic and more fully integrated into the basic survival storyline.
The auto-targeting feature used in previous games will be replaced by a free-aim system.
Weapons may include a bow, pistol and shotgun (shown in various game art), as well as tools and objects Lara discovers in the course of her explorations.
While not strictly "open world," the game is non-linear. Players can explore the island freely and can revisit locations as Lara's skills and equipment improve. However, there will be some scripted sequences that advance the story.
It will be necessary to gather food, water, medical supplies and other items for survival.
Details of the injury/healing system are still being worked out, but taking damage will affect Lara's abilities and, unlike past games, she will show pain and emotion.
A system of "base camps," including an abandoned monastery, allow players to fast travel among various points on the island. Base camps also allow players to examine and combine inventory items and access a skill system to enhance Lara's abilities.
Changing weather conditions, Lara's improved gear and abilities, and the player's influence on the game world are intended to keep locations fresh when revisited.
The game will include a hint system called "survival instinct," in which players can highlight clues and interactive elements in the game world by pressing a button.
Buddha statues are visible throughout the game. These may function as save points but their actual purpose has not yet been revealed.
There will be no swimming and no vehicles for Lara to drive.
Yes, tombs will be raided, but Lara's reasons for venturing into them will be a bit different than in past games. Crystal Dynamics' Karl Stewart quipped, "Unlike before, when she used to go in on purpose, now it's all about getting the hell out."
At the heart of it all is a mystery reminiscent of the TV show LOST. What is this island all about? Who are its strange inhabitants? Why is it seemingly impossible to escape? Lara—and the player—must discover the truth.
TOMB RAIDER will be rated 'M' (Mature).
It will be available for Windows PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. The developers have said they are looking into producing a Macintosh version as well, but that has not yet been finalized.

*TOMB RAIDER will be the ninth major installment in the series, not including Tomb Raider: Anniversary, which was technically a remake of the original Tomb Raider.

Thanks to Stellalune for compiling this list. (source (http://tombraiders.net/stella/tomb9.html))

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Update May 11, 2011 - new info on the game:


If you walk into this game expecting Lara Croft from the previous Tomb Raider games, you’ll be disappointed. This Lara is human; she bleeds and suffers and will have to fight for her survival.
You’ll have to get used to seeing fear and pain in Lara’s face. Her expressions and even the camera movements have been generated using motion capture.
The new game, titled just Tomb Raider, will be a complete reboot. The developers decided to re-imagine Lara Croft, who’ll have very little in common with the woman from earlier titles, who had an enviable body and could perform super-human acrobatics at will. The main story, development, and even the main character will re-start from scratch in this game.
The story revolves around a young Lara Croft, who’s shown as a teenager just out of university. A rational and analytical young lady, she goes on a expedition in a ship called Endurance, which sinks next to an island close to the coast of Japan. She’s the sole survivor of the shipwreck.
Helping hands and UI will be kept to a minimum, even though the game will show things like what can be burnt, or which buttons to press in Quicktime events.
The island’s central area will serve as the main headquarters. In the main camp, you’ll be able to “buy” abilities, make new tools or get back to missions you’ve already finished. The remaining area will be used to climb or search for new missions.
Lara has a “Survival Instinct”. By pressing a button you can activate a special view which will put a different colour to “interesting” elements in the environment: the background and non relevant objects will be shown in shades of grey and the clues in yellow. That way you’ll be able to follow traces normally invisible to the eye. For example, wolf footprints could lead you to a med-kit. When you reach it, one of those animals might attack you.
Puzzles will be more complex than in previous installments. They won’t be just about observing the environment, but about thinking about how water and fire interact, the importance of gravity, explosives, and so on.
The camera will use innovative framings to add to sensations of anguish or claustrophobia. The game has a renewed graphics engine known as Crystal Engine.
Physics from Half Life 2 – The usage of gravity or water currents was already explored in this classic game. Here such concepts will be put to use with boxes and barrels.
Atmosphere of Uncharted – Nathan’s soliloquies will be “limited” by Lara, as well as the extreme situations for the main character.
The “vision” of Assassin’s Creed – Ezio’s Eagle Sight isolates different objectives using colours. Lara will be able to do something similar using her Survival Instinct.
The origin story of Batman Begins – The first act in the film showed Bruce Wayne’s hard path to become Batman. That “hero’s journey” will guide Lara’s first steps.
The suffering of 127 Hours – In that movie, the main character has to punish his body to survive. The most famous scene in the film inspired the guys at Crystal Dynamics to force Lara’s resistance to the limit.
The mysteries of Lost - Strange wrecked ships? An remote island full of mysteries? Lost’s plot has been acknowledged by Crystal Dynamics.
The adventure is divided into three big “episodes”, each one corresponding to a part of Lara’s transformation into an adventurer: survive, rescue and escape.
The laws of gravity and centrifugal force allow Lara to go through her obstacles.
The transition between cinematics and game is almost invisible.
Lara’s grief is accentuated by effects like close-to-face cameras, on-screen blur.
Lara changes throughout the game. She will evolve from a young, inexperienced woman to an adventurer. It will be apparent from her equipment (the article says that it might be possible to see her double pistols), for example.
Lara can only use Survival Instinct when she’s standing still.
There are many ways to solve puzzles, and sometimes you’ll have to try multiple times thanks to the use of physics.
Buddha statues are visible throughout the game. Although it’s speculated these are save points, their exact role is unknown for now.
Some elements of the world fall when Lara stands on them for too long.


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[end edit by Driber]

Original post by Keir:

Exciting times.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/12/06/january-cover-revealed.aspx

BlueSkiesXXV
6th Dec 2010, 15:06
Wow!!! Fantastic render. Consider my curiousity piqued :)
Looking forward to hearing MORE!!!

n4Play
6th Dec 2010, 15:16
YEAH, Lara is coming back :)

Raider126
6th Dec 2010, 15:27
AWESOME! And it's a really pretty cover too!

I can't wait to hear more!

Sam_kain
6th Dec 2010, 15:34
Judging from the art style, it looks like this will be my 1st Tomb Raider game to play, i knew about Lara Craft all along, i just was kinda young, and not so interested, but this poster really does the trick for me, I hope it comes out great, on 2nd though i am sure it will be, Edios is well known for its great games, also i wish for a Legacy Of Kain announcement :), that would make my day

raz-
6th Dec 2010, 16:46
"forget all you know about tomb raider"

meh, not gonna happen. They can't just completely forget about all of the adventures so far because theyre so publicised, if the stories start to clash then people will notice and not be too happy... what i'm saying is that its a bit too early for a reboot of the whole franchise.

angelus0901
6th Dec 2010, 17:04
Looks fantastic!!! I'm so happy!! I hope it's good!!! You hear me, Keir!? Tell Eidos not to mess it up!! ;) :D

P.S. Lara is hot!!!!

jamesrsutton
6th Dec 2010, 17:07
what i'm saying is that its a bit too early for a reboot of the whole franchise.
What are you on about? Too early for a reboot after almost 15 years and 10 games?! Come on now. This is perfect time for this and it's desperately needed.

goofy
6th Dec 2010, 17:59
Yayyy !! I can't waittt :O !

Aceyalone7777
6th Dec 2010, 19:12
Ok, question...

Will the new Tomb Raider be a TOTAL reboot or just a gameplay reboot but on par with the same story?

Because I really want to erase many moments of the old Lara and embrace this one a whole new franchise....

Rockn-Roll
6th Dec 2010, 19:20
Better Graphics won't help this game imho, especially if it's going to be ported to the PC. Movement, View, and Aiming need to be restored so that a mouse & keyboard can be used in a comfortable manner and the game more immersive. The view used for GoL made the game world look tiny and uninteresting...movement with mouse & keyboard was awkward and anti-instinctive...more like a 2 decades old scrolling game than the 3D world exploration effect that I would expect from a AAA title...aiming was a 2D point & click mechanism and lacked any 3D aspect...there was no aiming fun.

I have no incentive to anticipate any Tomb Raider game unless the GoL View, Movement, and Aiming mechanisms are trashed and the fun and popular Anniversary & Underworld mechanisms restored. However, I have not seen any evidence of this...so for me and thousands of PC gamers the Tomb Raider series has fallen down to be a game only played on the consoles where grandmothers and grandchildren with absolutely no skill can actually have some fun.

CoDEllite
6th Dec 2010, 19:27
Why does Lara look so young, dirty and scratched up? Has she been in a bikini-mudwrestling-cat fight? Or is Eidos going for a more edgy, teen-friendly approach with this one? While I find dirty hot girls very hot, I really don't know any hot girls that smear themselves liberally with mud like that. So I really don't know what to make of this... except finding it very arousing in a weird geek way.

GeorgeMaciver
6th Dec 2010, 20:13
I'm excited. Do we have a time line for release yet?

:)

_Love2Raid_
6th Dec 2010, 21:35
:eek::eek::eek::eek::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::nut::nut::nut:

:D:cool:

Treeble
6th Dec 2010, 21:39
OMG Can't wait to learn more, this is so exciting. :thumb: :thumb:


I have no incentive to anticipate any Tomb Raider game unless the GoL View, Movement, and Aiming mechanisms are trashed and the fun and popular Anniversary & Underworld mechanisms restored.

Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light is not part of the main Tomb Raider series, so the isometric camera and awesome gameplay is definitely not having any impact on the upcoming game.

Arctic
6th Dec 2010, 21:53
This is crazy. I haven't been on the forum for ages ..or something. Then today I suddenly thought of it and decided to just check in on how things were going and, well, it turns out that today was the day the new Tomb Raider game was announced. Quite a coincidence :)
But anyway, I'm not really planning on coming "back" to the forum. I doubt anyone even remembers me, but it is cool to see things are still pretty much the same in here :D

Danielsun_
6th Dec 2010, 22:51
woohoo, im kinda caught up in hype at the moment just finding out now, but woo, get my negative thoughts out the way first, it doesnt resemble lara much, but just reading up im liking the sound of this

she is younger, from what ive read thus far, and by rights as an experienced poster i shouldnt post prematurely but cant help it

looking forward to more news and gameplay or even a trailer for that matter if there is one :D

Fox89
6th Dec 2010, 23:51
Excited about this. Is this an origins story for the Lara we know and love? Or an origins story for a Lara that will take an entirely new path?

I hope for the former, but I can live with either. As long as she is still essentially the same person, just younger and inexperienced, I will be happy. Also: Keeley Hawes. Keep her, Crystal Dynamics, k? :)

Pulse
7th Dec 2010, 01:27
I wonder if her necklace has anything to do with the story. It doesn't look like the type of thing a 21 year old woman would wear as a fashion statement..

Fox89
7th Dec 2010, 03:12
I wonder if her necklace has anything to do with the story. It doesn't look like the type of thing a 21 year old woman would wear as a fashion statement..

Looks kind of similar to her mother's broach first seen in Legend.

Pic (http://trwiki.de/index.php?title=Bild:Richard_und_Amelia_Croft.jpg)

Very hard to tell how much so from these pictures, perhaps just a similar shape.

Pulse
7th Dec 2010, 06:31
Looks kind of similar to her mother's broach first seen in Legend.

Pic (http://trwiki.de/index.php?title=Bild:Richard_und_Amelia_Croft.jpg)

Very hard to tell how much so from these pictures, perhaps just a similar shape.

But she didn't find that until she was 28 in Ghana...

josh1122
7th Dec 2010, 09:16
But she didn't find that until she was 28 in Ghana...

but thats also now considered the ''OLD'' storyline

This is a reboot, were going to have a completely different lara with a completely direction storywise

hermana
7th Dec 2010, 09:36
Looks kind of similar to her mother's broach first seen in Legend.

Pic (http://trwiki.de/index.php?title=Bild:Richard_und_Amelia_Croft.jpg)

Very hard to tell how much so from these pictures, perhaps just a similar shape.

This broach has absolutely different design. Looks like some ancient symbol... it should be connected with the story in some way ;) and forget all about that Legend-Underworld, it's a Reboot, guys!)

hiMe
8th Dec 2010, 14:51
Oh so not cool, I was on the TombRaider.com site and it locked me out as "not old enough" just because my computer closed tabs. GAYYYY. Have to keep using different browsers to go on it ;~;

Anywho..So cool. I think I might drool.

dark7angel
8th Dec 2010, 14:58
I'm loving this new Lara! Can't wait to see more about the game!!!

Danielsun_
8th Dec 2010, 16:22
Question: as this is a completely new reboot everything being different, does Lara still stay British or are they changing that aswell ?

ff8fan12345
8th Dec 2010, 16:24
I never liked the tomb raider games

Darth Ryu
8th Dec 2010, 16:33
I never liked the tomb raider games

You registered to this board only to say this?

You are entitled to your opinion but why come to a TR board just to say that?

Nevermind.

hiMe
8th Dec 2010, 17:27
Don't feed the troll dude.

I'm sure Lara will stay British. Can't take that away from us. Or we'll do a riot. Like all those students. ARGHH burn sofas and stuff rofl

kauri
8th Dec 2010, 17:51
I'm so excited!

Danielsun_
8th Dec 2010, 19:19
Don't feed the troll dude.

I'm sure Lara will stay British. Can't take that away from us. Or we'll do a riot. Like all those students. ARGHH burn sofas and stuff rofl

haha! brilliant, ironically im watching the news right now about the student protests :p

i do hope she stays british keeps a nice english accent, hope they dont take that away

RoombelinaUK
8th Dec 2010, 20:15
I never liked the tomb raider games

pssst, troll! have a cookie! :) *evil smirk*

LARALOVERnr1
8th Dec 2010, 20:32
I never liked the tomb raider games


You registered to this board only to say this?

You are entitled to your opinion but why come to a TR board just to say that?

Nevermind.


Don't feed the troll dude.




pssst, troll! have a cookie! :) *evil smirk*

:lol::lol::lol:
OMG, that made me laugh so hard! :D:lol::lol::lol:

Nemesis296
8th Dec 2010, 21:05
Don't feed the troll dude.

...except after midnight!

josh1122
8th Dec 2010, 22:24
...except after midnight!

wait DONT do that! after midnight if they get fed they'll spawn dozens of other trolls that we'll have to deal with :mad2:

EmmAnuelTR
9th Dec 2010, 00:40
"forget all you know about tomb raider"... i dont like those words, im a really BIG fan of TR since 1996 and im in love of this Lara, its ok that lara have a new look beacuse maybe more gamers want to play and Tomb Raider will be again the same outstanding game that was some years ago... im really happy for this, i grow up with Lara and hope that this game be the best!

Nemesis296
9th Dec 2010, 13:33
wait DONT do that! after midnight if they get fed they'll spawn dozens of other trolls that we'll have to deal with :mad2:

Oh, I thought it was gremlins that did that. Trolls usually fall asleep if you feed them after midnight ;)

Kirsten-Marie
9th Dec 2010, 13:36
Wow! Lara looks amazing! I've grown up with the series and played every game, and I can't wait to play this one! I hope they bring a trailer out soon.. :)

LamaMode
9th Dec 2010, 15:49
So is this a second reboot or not? :scratch:

LARALOVERnr1
11th Dec 2010, 00:08
So is this a second reboot or not? :scratch:
Well, technically it is, though I think it's going to be a lot better than AoD(though I don't think it was that bad, actually... :scratch:)

AlanqtrMain
11th Dec 2010, 12:21
the game direction sounds a lot like forbidden siren, trapped on a japanese island with crazy murderous locals, with a group of people trying to survive?

i love the new look and cant wait to play it.

mikey716
11th Dec 2010, 16:56
Hello! Found this on youtube of the game images look real

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAy0QjUzSRU&feature=related

Also found this on this website i came across http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/official-tomb-raider-origins-t/1002317?page=7

mad825
13th Dec 2010, 00:57
what's going to happen to the official Lara Croft member here on the forums?

prince of angels
13th Dec 2010, 16:10
i'm not gonna sleep tonight.......i wish that the adventure won't be like the style of "lara croft and the gardian of light " an contain egypt too

DamianGraham
13th Dec 2010, 21:16
"forget all you know about tomb raider"

meh, not gonna happen. They can't just completely forget about all of the adventures so far because theyre so publicised, if the stories start to clash then people will notice and not be too happy... what i'm saying is that its a bit too early for a reboot of the whole franchise.

while I slightly agree, i also disagree.. because fans are getting tired, they complained about underworld.. and maybe legend.. so i think this reboot will breathe some life back into the series for both old fans.. and new ones alike. i cannot wait!!!!

(s)aint
14th Dec 2010, 00:53
woooohhhooo i just can't wait!!!!!!

beretta
14th Dec 2010, 10:11
Hello
Wahouuuuuuuuuuu:lmao:

tombmaster54
21st Dec 2010, 23:34
hi

i does anyone know if the new tomb raider game is for ps3

Danielsun_
21st Dec 2010, 23:45
hi

i does anyone know if the new tomb raider game is for ps3

previous ones were, this one will be, and on xbox, ;) and i think PC but not sure about PC

tombmaster54
22nd Dec 2010, 00:18
previous ones were, this one will be, and on xbox, ;) and i think PC but not sure about PC


so the new tomb raider is mult platform ok cheers

Rockn-Roll
22nd Dec 2010, 01:42
Well...it looks like Game Informer has satisfied my need. Survivor is going to have a standard 3rd person view + aiming = fun and everything that brought me to the TR series will be back. If they don't mess it up I'll try the demo. But, I won't be buying it without a demo due to the damage they did with the last game. It really hurts to be excluded from a game...making it unfriendly to players who were enjoying the franchise damages credibility and makes me doubt that they can do what is required to make a game that is fun for the fan base.

Blind Intentions
22nd Dec 2010, 08:11
Even though I'm not crazy about a reboot, I think she looks great. It's a little strange that her eyes aren't bloodshot in the least while the rest of her is disheveled.. but whatevs. Maybe she had a small bottle of visine that survived the wreck lol

Why cant Crystal Dynamics just put out a Tomb Raider video game that doesn't involve retelling and now revamping Lara? This rebooting of everything trend lately has really started to piss me off. Its almost like my previous adventures with Lara never happened. I believe a prequel would have sufficed much better than a reboot because 1) Tomb Raider Legends is still fresh and 2) They need to learn to tell a satisfying, self contained story first

LARALOVERnr1
22nd Dec 2010, 14:58
No offense, but why is this called a FAQ when none of the questions get answered?

I don't care about questions getting answered or not, but I just think the name FAQ is misleading.

Kyru
28th Dec 2010, 07:58
...nevermind that thought (speaking to myself). oh and by how the cover looks i just hope their isn't dissappointment in the game when it does come out

Stacey Robertson
8th Jan 2011, 22:14
I think lara looks young here, not like the rest of the games, the change is good i thinks ;D

maramsp
21st Jan 2011, 01:13
This is great news! Great news indeed! But..
Something i cannot find is this, and hopefully some of you will be able to answer it.
The legend, underworld games were part of a trilogy. And so the story wasnt done after beating underworld.
Does this new tomb raider game continue with the story, or will they never give us the answer if lara's mother is in avalon or not?
But nevertheless, the cover looks amazing, and hopefully the game will be as well, but i really hope that someone can give me info for the fact if they continue the story..

Greets from mara

Edit: never beaten underworld though, but for what i know is that legend and underword were part of the trilogy, so i can not say safe for me that laras mother is in avalon, and the story is finished. If someone can tell me so, plz dont hesitate to do so, cause i want to know..

Rachie
22nd Jan 2011, 11:04
This is great news! Great news indeed! But..
Something i cannot find is this, and hopefully some of you will be able to answer it.
The legend, underworld games were part of a trilogy. And so the story wasnt done after beating underworld.
Does this new tomb raider game continue with the story, or will they never give us the answer if lara's mother is in avalon or not?
But nevertheless, the cover looks amazing, and hopefully the game will be as well, but i really hope that someone can give me info for the fact if they continue the story..

Greets from mara

Edit: never beaten underworld though, but for what i know is that legend and underword were part of the trilogy, so i can not say safe for me that laras mother is in avalon, and the story is finished. If someone can tell me so, plz dont hesitate to do so, cause i want to know..

Welcome, Mara! :D Great time to become a part of the community!

I'd hate to ruin the end of Underworld for you since you haven't completed it yet, but I can assure you that those questions you asked will most definitely be answered. ;) The story from Legend does become concluded at the end of Underworld, though the ending is left somewhat open so that CD could have chosen to create a sequel to those events or not - the ending left either option available. Since they are not continuing that storyline because of the reboot and the origin story, it does not affect the Avalon trilogy in any way - but do not be concerned, because it does have a conclusive ending. :thumb:

maramsp
23rd Jan 2011, 03:17
so you are telling me that we have to wait for a final conclusion to the avalon trilogy?
Anyway, the concept art is awesome, the screenies too, escpecially the one on the most right at page 1.. Lara there is so sweet :) hehe :D
Really looking forward to this one :D

Pulse
27th Jan 2011, 23:18
Trilogy: 3

Legend
Anniversary
Underworld

The Legend trilogy is done with. Tomb Raider is completely different than any of those three and jumping from one continuation to the next is irresponsible and messy, so no, there will not be a final conclusion. Underworld was that game.

Pietras
29th Jan 2011, 02:14
What final conclusion? Legend story's finished. Lara found out what happened to her mother, Natla's dead, Doppelganger got her revenge, Lara and Amanda got past their problems enough to not kill each other. Not everything needs perfect happy ending.

LaraCroft Fan
29th Jan 2011, 10:51
well i just feel that underworld needs a continuation :p

Studded*Belt
4th Feb 2011, 01:28
To be honest, Eons ago when there was talk and gossip about Lara taking this direction in her games, I was outraged, and not happy about it. But now seeing Concepts and Screen shots... Well lets just say the proof Is in the pudding. And I am ecstatic, and this looks promising... But what it comes down to, I'm just happy Lara is finished with her mommy business. >:P

jtr7
4th Feb 2011, 02:12
No offense, but why is this called a FAQ when none of the questions get answered?

I don't care about questions getting answered or not, but I just think the name FAQ is misleading.

Well, it's marketing-speak to use terms that have strong connotations but to use other meanings than the ones that leap to mind. In this case it's more Frequently Asked Questions, right? Even though FAQ implies answers, it's literally asked questions. But really, the questions need to be frequently asked by different people for them to qualify, so it's too soon.

mr croft lopez
8th Feb 2011, 14:27
sexy hot :)

xXTombRaiderXx
5th Mar 2011, 14:01
i love the render xxxx

Rhanyan
15th Mar 2011, 06:53
I just signed onto these forums. I have, of course seen a few TR movies, but never played any games. The Game Informer cover caught my eye, and I read the article. I was impressed, and will most definately get the game.

That cover is one of the best PR events for a game I have seen for quite a while.

Mine will be framed.

dark7angel
15th Mar 2011, 15:21
I just signed onto these forums. I have, of course seen a few TR movies, but never played any games. The Game Informer cover caught my eye, and I read the article. I was impressed, and will most definately get the game.

That cover is one of the best PR events for a game I have seen for quite a while.

Mine will be framed.

Welcome to the forums!!! :D

It's great to hear that the Game Informer cover got you interested in Tomb Raider! :cool:
I can't wait to get more news about the new game. It sure looks good!

Jaheria
15th Mar 2011, 16:21
No offense, but why is this called a FAQ when none of the questions get answered?

I don't care about questions getting answered or not, but I just think the name FAQ is misleading.

I was thinking this too. :)

Anyways, has there been any news at all on a rough release date or is it all just us having to guess when it will be?

KasigiYabuSama
23rd Mar 2011, 05:14
I confess to hating change generally and everybody hates thumbs-down posts so this likely ain't gonna be a popular view, but... When did Hilary Swank kill Lara Croft and take her name? I haven't been back to Eidos' forums in awhile, but...geez.

An installment focusing on Croft in her youth (as if the LC we know & love were too old,) could be plausible and interesting, but not if you completely replace a well-known character with one that's totally different. I mean, there's just no similarity there - this is Hilary Swank, not Lara Croft. I don't mean that as a dig on Hilary, rather that if you're going to create an entirely new character, call her something else. "Lara's equally-gnarly sister Lisa" or something.

It's also painfully obvious that the "PC" uglying-down of Lara's curves continues apace... Granted this is just a few screenshots, but while the face is as hot as Swank's (which is to say: very,) otherwise this rendering has all the sex appeal of a Soviet-era chambermaid after a long day cleaning the restrooms at Gorbachev's dacha.

I skipped buying Underworld entirely because the computer specs required to run it were too high and I wasn't going to spring for a new system just to play a game - but since I'm finally in the market, I'll likely wait to buy a new system until the new game specs are published and I can configure it to exceed them. Which means I'll play the game, but from what I've seen so far, I'll be playing a Tomb Raider from which Lara has been replaced with a drab, masculine stand-in with someone else's beautiful face. Veddy, veddy odd, Keptin.
:hmm:

KasigiYabuSama
30th Mar 2011, 05:06
That's a straw man argument and a false alternative. I never said that she shouldn't be gritty and realistic, nor did I comment on the size of the character's breasts - that seems to be something that's on your mind?

Let me turn this around, by way of illustration:

- Why should femininity be automatically considered as incompatible with grittiness and realism? Again, "masculine woman" is a self-refuting concept IMO - and isn't the presumption that "femininity equals weakness, of necessity" the textbook definition of sexism? Have you ever seen Gao Jiamin wield a sword (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_apJ1xFlnt4)?

- On a more general context, why should the attribute of sex appeal be considered "unrealistic," much less "shallow"? Sorry to break the news, but sex appeal is a fact of reality and an inescapable attribute of human beings whether male or female. To presume it's somehow jaded or pretend it doesn't exist is to evade reality, not embrace it. To pretend it's not integral to the entire Lara Croft persona, franchise and appeal - to both male and female players - is absurd.

I've had this same debate with people before; I'm sure I'll have it again, and my point is always the same: I'm happy that advances in technology have allowed for an evolution of the Croft character to a more physically-realistic character than the now-comical (yet no less loved) original Lara.

But she needn't be given a graphic sex-change to satisfy people uncomfortable with strong, assertive women who are also intensely feminine.


/rant
#include <beer.h>
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Silvermoth
30th Mar 2011, 08:04
I don't get straight guys really. I mean not everything has to be about boobs. I'm capable, for example, of playing Halo without saying "WHAT! How dare they! There isn't any $%^&!"

larafan25
31st Mar 2011, 17:34
[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]I confess to hating change generally and everybody hates thumbs-down posts so this likely ain't gonna be a popular view, but... When did Hilary Swank kill Lara Croft and take her name? I haven't been back to Eidos' forums in awhile, but...geez.



An installment focusing on Croft in her youth (as if the LC we know & love were too old,) could be plausible and interesting, but not if you completely replace a well-known character with one that's totally different. I mean, there's just no similarity there - this is Hilary Swank, not Lara Croft. I don't mean that as a dig on Hilary, rather that if you're going to create an entirely new character, call her something else. "Lara's equally-gnarly sister Lisa" or something.

Yea, Lara resembles Hillary swank here. She also resembles Justin Bieber, Clifford the Big Red Dog, and low and behold Lara Croft! D:

You are not going to tell me the past Lara Croft incarnations bared no resemblance to celebrities? The fact is more work went into the facial construction of this model than time you have spent looking at her. For realism she's based off of two human female faces and proportions scanned into a computer. For recognition her features have been adjusted to resemble Lara Croft, makes sense given that is who she is.

Clearly CD put a lot of effort into this model, making her modern without loosing the vision of Lara Croft.



It's also painfully obvious that the "PC" uglying-down of Lara's curves continues apace... Granted this is just a few screenshots, but while the face is as hot as Swank's (which is to say: very,) otherwise this rendering has all the sex appeal of a Soviet-era chambermaid after a long day cleaning the restrooms at Gorbachev's dacha.


Uglying. Hmmm. Ok. Mind you we seem to have only seen a painting of Lara's body with the rendered face pasted on. What is so un-sexy about this? Can't see her bare legs? Shirt not tight enough? Pants too baggy?

None of that ever made Lara Croft sexy. I'm sure like everyone else you have been starring into her eyes which are alive and piercing. You won't realize how sexy this Lara is until you see her in motion, you need to experience her alive. Not a body in still images, even though CD does very well as making her more than that. It's Lara Croft who has the sex appeal, not the body.

KasigiYabuSama
2nd Apr 2011, 02:49
@larafan-25

Fair enough - perhaps I jump to conclusions based on insufficient data. I like a good debate as a general rule; add to that the somewhat paranoid yet traditional context of longtime TR fans worrying with virtually every new release in the series about the dilution of a game they love. (But the render at the top of this page is a dead ringer for Hilary Swank, dammit.:rasp:)

Something else I should hastily add is that by definition, Lara Croft (in any iteration) and the TR game as a whole are works of art. Since every work of art is the product of one or more artists, they, not I nor anyone else, retain the absolute right to produce that art in any way they see fit. So while I stand by every word I've said, ultimately we all have to defer to the artists. This is all "Dear Santa" mode, and I'm hoping I'm making points that have some validity to them...

It appears the post to which I replied on the 29th has been deleted, but there's another angle to look at in relation to the poster's implied question of "Why does everything having female characters have to be cheapened by sex appeal?" ['Have to paraphrase for obvious reasons.]

What struck me when I read that post was that that sentiment has become so common in contemporary culture (ubiquitous, really,) that that whole aspect of humanity - what the French famously call "la différence" - has been all but driven out of visual media, with the obvious exception of advertising. So the exact opposite is becoming the case: We're so frightened about being labeled "sexist" that our culture has adopted a weird, drab, asexual uniformity, and anybody expressing objection to that stylistic washout is labeled with some ad hominem variant of "lech" or "adolescent." Whatever.

I'm just worried that if present trends continued, a future Lara would show up wearing the red sash of Orwell's Julia and the general appearance of Rand's Comrade Sonia... :eek:


P.S. - D'OH! I really should have started this train of thought on the "Lara's Look" thread. My bad...

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Silvermoth
2nd Apr 2011, 04:14
I think you might be overstating things a bit. I mean, surely there's more to Lara than looks.

And surely, it's not like there's a lack of sex symbols out there. If you want sex, there's places for that. But for the same reason an all naked version of Moby Dick starring Zac Efron as Ahab would be sneered at, oversexualising heroines is easily as much of a joke.

KasigiYabuSama
2nd Apr 2011, 04:31
But Silvermoth, you've just walked right past my point, or rather, two of them.

You are repeating a sentiment that's become virtually mandatory, and which has been acted upon throughout a broad swath of media: The notion that sex appeal per se is "oversexualizing," with the result being the undersexualizing - or more precisely, asexualizing - of characters.

Secondly, you're evading one simple fact: Like it or not, sex appeal has been integral to the Lara Croft character from Game One, Level One.

- I'm not arguing for "oversexualizing,"' I'm arguing for consistency.

- You are arguing that a long-running character should be changed - undersexualized - for the sake of a momentary political/cultural fad. Political attitudes change; the essence of humanity, including gender differences and appeal to one another, don't.

Lastly, if "surely there's more to Lara than looks," why does anything I'm saying concern you so much?

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Silvermoth
2nd Apr 2011, 11:55
But Silvermoth, you've just walked right past my point, or rather, two of them.

You are repeating a sentiment that's become virtually mandatory, and which has been acted upon throughout a broad swath of media: The notion that sex appeal per se is "oversexualizing," with the result being the undersexualizing - or more precisely, asexualizing - of characters.


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No I'm not. I'm saying that sex doesn't have to consume everything. Casablanca will always be great not because of Ingrid Bergman's breasts but because of the story taking precedence. Where did I say sex is outlawed? It just doesn't have to be all there is to a character.




Secondly, you're evading one simple fact: Like it or not, sex appeal has been integral to the Lara Croft character from Game One, Level One.

- I'm not arguing for "oversexualizing,"' I'm arguing for consistency.


The first Tomb Raider game came out 15 years ago. There was a very different market then and most gamers see Lara as "out of touch". It's time for reinvention.

Trying new things is a good thing. For example, when we first saw Donkey Kong he was a villian who had kidnapped Princess Peach. Now he has his own series of very successful and fun games.

Tomb Raider is not just about sex as you seem to think. It was about the puzzles and the action and the fun of fighting a T-rex all of which I'm sure will remain consistent




- You are arguing that a long-running character should be changed - undersexualized - for the sake of a momentary political/cultural fad. Political attitudes change; the essence of humanity, including gender differences and appeal to one another, don't.



Empowerment is a fad?

Do you really think Lara is not sexy because she also happens to look a bit rough after living on a desert island for god knows how long. She is still quite a beautiful woman.




Lastly, if "surely there's more to Lara than looks," why does anything I'm saying concern you so much?

This sentence doesn't even make sense. You posted an opinion on a forum. We all care about the game. I care because I want to see great action heroes of all different kinds of people not just hypermasculine males versus petite, helpless, big boobed damsels. I'm excited for change and post modernity. I'm excited to play a game with a great story that could be lots of fun that doesn't make me feel like I should take a shower afterwards.

Finally, if you really believe that sex is being elimanated or replaced with asexual figures you've got to be blind. You just need to go to the movies (Sucker Punch) or listen to music (Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry) to see that sex is prospering and very much front and centre of the world. Even the internet is stocked healthily with porn. I'm saying that surely a cool character is a cool character and doesn't need to wear makeup in a jungle every day to be seen as cool.

KasigiYabuSama
3rd Apr 2011, 03:04
Finally, if you really believe that sex is being elimanated or replaced with asexual figures you've got to be blind. You just need to... listen to music (Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry) to see that sex is prospering and very much front and centre of the world.

Well, different bites to different likes and all, but if I ever find "Lady Gaga" or Katy Perry the slightest bit sexy, someone please just come and shoot me dead. :mad2: Please. Yeek. In my mind there's a kind of graduated, linear scale on aesthetics, and on that scale sleazy is the precise, polar opposite of sexy.

Rihanna? Now in her case you'll get zero argument from me.:D


I'm saying that sex doesn't have to consume everything. Casablanca will always be great not because of Ingrid Bergman's breasts but because of the story taking precedence. Where did I say sex is outlawed? It just doesn't have to be all there is to a character.


Here you're engaging in the classic Straw Man. I never said that "sex has to consume everything," rather that we've become so frightened of sex appeal per se, via "postmodern" intimidation, that we've moved to the opposite extreme - and the kind of strident opposition to that one aspect of Lara Croft's identity is a great example of it. You're putting words in my mouth here, and again, deftly sidestepping right around the point I made in my previous.

Similarly, you're also stuffing into my mouth the presumption of some kind of dichotomy between sex appeal and storytelling. Lara's appearance is background. Important background, since she's the main character, but...background. I haven't said that appearance takes precedence over story, but you have. And oddly enough, in all the times I've watched Casablanca, I don't remember ever noticing Bergman's breasts - but I probably would have if they weren't there.


Tomb Raider is not just about sex as you seem to think.

Again, how can you just make this stuff up and attribute it to me? This is a level of misrepresentation that borders on the unethical. I think it's clear in both direct comment and in context that this entire discussion about Lara's appearance is just that: a discussion within the limited context of Lara's appearance. As I said a coupla paragraphs ago, her appearance is one attribute of the game as a whole. My argument is that Lara's sex appeal is (and always has been) an important part of her appearance. You're saying that it not only isn't, but that it should be intentionally de-emphasized to conform to some external, faddish political viewpoint.


Empowerment is a fad?
Do you really think Lara is not sexy because she also happens to look a bit rough after living on a desert island for god knows how long. She is still quite a beautiful woman.

Here you're engaging in blatant sexism (read on,) and going off on a political tangent. But to respond to that tangent, the converse question is more valid: Ditching one's femininity is "empowerment?" On your second statement here, I admit I should be more clear: It's not the rendering of grit and grime and blood and injury that makes this visualization of Lara more masculine - those things are definite pluses and excellent applications of improved technologies to enhance realism. What makes this visualization of Lara masculine to my mind, more than anything else, is the tree-trunk straightening of her physique. Hip-waist ratio is a rather important part of the physical difference between genders.

What you're doing here is replacing an identity-specific context - a game character whose identity, just like that of a real person, is directly tied to physical appearance - with a generality based on an external, politically-laden set of mores. In so doing, you are arguing for the alteration of that character's appearance - therefore of her identity - for the sake of some bizarre, external, propagandistic purpose that has nothing to do with the game's integrity nor its marketability.


...I want to see great action heroes of all different kinds of people not just hypermasculine males versus petite, helpless, big boobed damsels... I'm excited to play a game with a great story that could be lots of fun that doesn't make me feel like I should take a shower afterwards.

Again with the Straw Man and the presumption, and again I covered this previously. Who, other than you, says that "petite, big boobed" women are ipso facto "helpless?" This is an example of the real sexism that the "post modern" / "PC" folks are engaging in with impunity these days. The definition of bigotry is when one engages in contemptuous stereotyping of someone else based on attributes they're born with and therefore have no conscious control over (e.g., one's ethnicity, one's being petite, one's being "big boobed.")

In a way you're engaging in the very thing you're ostensibly attacking: Arbitrarily ascribing negative traits based solely on physical appearance. A game character doesn't have the same capability for detailed character development as a film character or a character in a novel, but Lara Croft, regardless of her physical appearance over the years, has never been "a helpless big boobed damsel," nor will she suddenly become one if her latest iteration retains an updated version of her original sex appeal. You apparently think that if Lara retains the busty identity that's been an iconic part of her character from day one, then she automatically becomes a bimbo. Check your premises - if you look at them dispassionately you'll see that they're flawed.

Clearly we're not going to agree on much of anything, so I'll just leave this as an illumination of differences. Clarity is more important than agreement anyway, and "The truth is written all along the page," as the Yes boys put it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WunYz7Io-68) in their famous dip into Asimov's universe.

larafan25
3rd Apr 2011, 18:29
@larafan-25

Fair enough - perhaps I jump to conclusions based on insufficient data. I like a good debate as a general rule; add to that the somewhat paranoid yet traditional context of longtime TR fans worrying with virtually every new release in the series about the dilution of a game they love. (But the render at the top of this page is a dead ringer for Hilary Swank, dammit.:rasp:)

Something else I should hastily add is that by definition, Lara Croft (in any iteration) and the TR game as a whole are works of art. Since every work of art is the product of one or more artists, they, not I nor anyone else, retain the absolute right to produce that art in any way they see fit. So while I stand by every word I've said, ultimately we all have to defer to the artists. This is all "Dear Santa" mode, and I'm hoping I'm making points that have some validity to them...

It appears the post to which I replied on the 29th has been deleted, but there's another angle to look at in relation to the poster's implied question of "Why does everything having female characters have to be cheapened by sex appeal?" ['Have to paraphrase for obvious reasons.]

What struck me when I read that post was that that sentiment has become so common in contemporary culture (ubiquitous, really,) that that whole aspect of humanity - what the French famously call "la différence" - has been all but driven out of visual media, with the obvious exception of advertising. So the exact opposite is becoming the case: We're so frightened about being labeled "sexist" that our culture has adopted a weird, drab, asexual uniformity, and anybody expressing objection to that stylistic washout is labeled with some ad hominem variant of "lech" or "adolescent." Whatever.

I'm just worried that if present trends continued, a future Lara would show up wearing the red sash of Orwell's Julia and the general appearance of Rand's Comrade Sonia... :eek:


P.S. - D'OH! I really should have started this train of thought on the "Lara's Look" thread. My bad...

.

I can obviously understand some of the shock about her look but maybe read this (if you have not already) to better understand what the devs are thinking about Lara.

Many people thought Lara looked like a man at first, the only response to that is simply this. She has been made more realistic, chances are a real women compared to an exaggeration of the female form will closer resemble a man. There is a slight boyish quality about her, it suits her IMO.

zariann
10th Apr 2011, 01:18
i think it looks awesome except the fact that she looks scared. i hate the fact that the face of tomb raider has changed but as long as it has no bearing on how she performs then looks wont kill me lol

aragorn2
13th Apr 2011, 10:33
Take a look at this
http://twitter.com/#!/jaywalker2309

They are watching the new Tomb Raider with some beers or something, and they are laughing for letting us in the dark. I want to send some Ninjas at their office...:mad2:

PS3 Deb H
9th May 2011, 21:12
Over the years, I've come to know Lara as a tomb raider and a young woman with a wee bit of a chip on her shoulder ;). I was not impressed with the first 'reboot' (Angel of Darkness I think it was called.) Many thanks they went back to the tomb raiding stuff!

From what I have read so far on this thread about the upcoming franchise instalment, there are still a lot of uncertainty! And for what I have read elsewhere about this new Tomb Raider, it seems to be quite a departure from the original series. I admit to having mix feelings about that. But anyway...

From the pictures I have seen so far, I hope she'll have opportunities to clean herself up and change clothes once in a while ( at the various base camps they mentioned perhaps? ). A permanent bloody, muddy look throughout the entire game is gonna become very tiresome, very quickly for me! Being stranded on an island doesn't mean entirely neglecting one's hygiene!

I'm still very much looking forward to play it though.

Before the game starts, or at the end when she prevails and possibly escapes, has Eidos thought about making us re-visit her 'humble abode' ( her manor )? That may be a good legacy move on their part.

And yes, the pendant in the picture look somewhat like her mother's broach. It could simply means that Lara had similar taste than her mom. You know what they say: Like mother, like daughter...

One last thought: I sure miss those large, beautiful... eyes. My first gaming experience ever was Tomb Raider 3. That may not be so relevant today or it might - that's my story and I'm sticking to it OK! But those 'eyes' sure got me hooked back then! :D

Cheers!

Deb

PS3 Deb H
9th May 2011, 22:37
Since this is an FAQ section, I thought I'd share this article with you:

It's called "Tons of details on new Tomb Raider arrive". It's from Fragland.net and here's the link:

http://www.fragland.net/news/Tons-of-details-on-new-Tomb-Raider-arrive/25844/

Enjoy!

Driber
11th May 2011, 05:40
That's a very handy bulleted list, I've added it to the first post.

Thanks for finding that, PS3 Deb H :thumb:

Natla
11th May 2011, 06:35
Take a look at this
http://twitter.com/#!/jaywalker2309

They are watching the new Tomb Raider with some beers or something, and they are laughing for letting us in the dark. I want to send some Ninjas at their office...:mad2:

The self importance of this person is the inverse of their actual importance to the TR fanship.

Natla
11th May 2011, 06:36
Since this is an FAQ section, I thought I'd share this article with you:

It's called "Tons of details on new Tomb Raider arrive". It's from Fragland.net and here's the link:

http://www.fragland.net/news/Tons-of-details-on-new-Tomb-Raider-arrive/25844/

Enjoy!

"You’ll have to get used to seeing fear and pain in Lara’s face."

My FAQ is "Why?"

Driber
11th May 2011, 06:56
Natla, don't double post, especially not only seconds after your previous post.

Edit your previous post to include your new text or use MULTI QUOTE.

mrskurtistrent
31st May 2011, 18:20
Well, technically it is, though I think it's going to be a lot better than AoD(though I don't think it was that bad, actually... :scratch:)

Me too! HIgh five!!!:nut:

Cheeky_Charlie
20th Jun 2011, 08:02
I just think that this new game seems to evolve along with the times of these days. Remember, this series of games has been made for many years, an REAL reboot was inevitable anyway. Look at james bond films, daniel craig and casino royale rebooted james bond series totally! Some people liked it some didn´t. Lara Croft from the previous games --> Busty, sexy, beautiful, intelligent, gunplaying heroine is beeing rebooted to--> scared, young, unexperienced, just graduated adventurer. And at the same time her sexuality is downsized.

Thats good, because nowdays you can´t really rely on game sales just that teenage boys with hormones doing flips are going to buy a game because of big titted heroine on the cover, I can for sure guess that 90% of gamers back 1995-1996 were young/teenage boys. The trend that "people of any ages can play" hasn´t come around before playstation2 was in the scene for a few years.Since the mid 90´s games have become smarter and gamers have become more demanding for a good story, great gameplay, great graphics, EXCELLENT main hero and a game that just has that special "something". I Hope that this new TR is going to satisfy all of our true fans needs.

Driber
6th Jul 2011, 10:51
OP updated

iloveyouXWORLD
22nd Jul 2011, 07:19
The only games with guns i could ever stand that had the full auto-aim feature was TR 1, 2 & 3. it could be easily implemented for the player to manually aim even whilst doing acrobatics. even duke nukem:time to kill on ps1 it was possible. for those who want the game to aim for them could change it in the menu screen-options.

Oh and did i mention swimming? it better be in the game.

i dont wanna sound like a douche here but most old franshises re-booted are garbage. incompetent developers. although crystal dynamics did ok with guardian of the light. was quite good actually, for an arcade game. BUT I STILL COULDNT SWIM!

Driber
22nd Jul 2011, 10:13
There won't be any fully submerged swimming in this game.

I agree with the option for manual aim. You should add it to the wishlist if it's not there already :)

dark7angel
22nd Jul 2011, 10:35
I think manual aim has been confirmed already! In the GameInformer magazine, it says:


Addressing Combat

(...) The biggest change is a concession: removing the archaic lock-on system. (...) "The free aim system will help to make Tomb Raider competitive amongst our peers in the genre, while maintaining a unique flavor."

Driber
22nd Jul 2011, 10:59
Well there ya go then, case (I mean thread) closed. :D

dark7angel, do you have a link to that article? I'll add it to the FAQ thread then.

dark7angel
22nd Jul 2011, 11:16
Well there ya go then, case (I mean thread) closed. :D

dark7angel, do you have a link to that article? I'll add it to the FAQ thread then.

I have the scans from the magazine but we can't post them, right?!?!?

Elliot Kane
22nd Jul 2011, 12:41
Game Informer article is here (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/12/09/a-survivor-is-born_3a00_-the-new-lara-croft.aspx?PostPageIndex=1).

Easy for me to find, as I added a ton of links to Chaos' 'New Lara' thread (http://chaoscascade.yuku.com/topic/1028/The-New-Lara-Croft) :)

dark7angel
22nd Jul 2011, 12:55
^That's not the article I quoted... my quote is from the GI Magazine! I can post a link to the scan but I'm really not sure if I'm allowed to do that... so I'll wait for Driber to say something...

Anyway, there's a compilation of information about the new game at Stella's Tomb Raider Site (http://tombraiders.net/stella/tomb9.html)

Elliot Kane
22nd Jul 2011, 13:02
Dark7angel,

Oops! I remembered reading about the lack of auto-aiming and assumed it had to be that article! Mea culpa...

d1n0_xD
22nd Jul 2011, 13:08
Game Informer article is here (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/12/09/a-survivor-is-born_3a00_-the-new-lara-croft.aspx?PostPageIndex=1).

Easy for me to find, as I added a ton of links to Chaos' 'New Lara' thread (http://chaoscascade.yuku.com/topic/1028/The-New-Lara-Croft) :)


Anyway, there's a compilation of information about the new game at Stella's Tomb Raider Site (http://tombraiders.net/stella/tomb9.html)

Thanks for those links, guys :D

So, clothes will tear during the game, as someone proposed. Weather will have an impact too. They thought of braking her bones, but they gave up on that, as I understood.
Hahaha and no unlockable bikinis :p

This gave me goosebumps again, this game is going to be legen... wait for it... DARY! :D

Driber
22nd Jul 2011, 14:56
I merged iloveyouXWORLD's thread with this one and updated the first post here.


I have the scans from the magazine but we can't post them, right?!?!?

Correct, no scans containing copyrighted material allowed. But you can send me the link via PM and I will see if there is any info which will be useful for this FAQ.


Anyway, there's a compilation of information about the new game at Stella's Tomb Raider Site (http://tombraiders.net/stella/tomb9.html)

That's a nice compilation, I've added it to the first post, thanks :)

dark7angel
22nd Jul 2011, 15:09
I merged iloveyouXWORLD's thread with this one and updated the first post here.

Correct, no scans containing copyrighted material allowed. But you can send me the link via PM and I will see if there is any info which will be useful for this FAQ.

That's a nice compilation, I've added it to the first post, thanks :)

I thought so! Anyway, I just sent you a PM with the link!

And you welcome! :D

iloveyouXWORLD
22nd Jul 2011, 23:38
thank you. i want a new tomb raider based on the old ones. globe trotting, varied levels. minimal yet interesting story. some creepy levels(like 40 fathoms, area 51) great music, great atmosphere. hard puzzles. secrets. SWIMMING!
what i want to see added- manual aim, weapon customisation.

what i want to see removed- NO AUTO AIM GRAPPLING HOOK! if its manual aim, then great, but i suppose that would destroy the platforming elements of the game. just remove it completely. the only game i can remember with a decent grappling hook was tenchu 1.

also is this game open world? because if it is then it wont feel like tombraider at all.
i could be wrong, but i hardly ever am :cool:

si1verdrag0n
10th Aug 2011, 01:13
This new TR game looks thrilling and I can't wait for it.

Lara_Fan_84
18th Aug 2011, 21:57
I have a question about the elements of the world falling if you stand on them for too long? OK so if you are standing on something and you need it to get from point A to point B and it falls will you have other options to get from point A to point B? I don't want to start a level over because the device I was on broke and I can't get to point B basically.

Magicallioness
7th Sep 2011, 08:51
The game is being built using an updated version of the Legend-Underworld engine with more realistic, physics-based interactions within the game world.
Tomb Raider staples like puzzles, combat, exploration and action will still be the foundation of the game but will be more realistic and more fully integrated into the basic survival storyline.
The auto-targeting feature used in previous games will be replaced by a free-aim system.
While not strictly "open world," the game is non-linear. Players can explore the island freely and can revisit locations as Lara's skills and equipment improve. However, there will be some scripted sequences that advance the story.
It will be necessary to gather food, water, medical supplies and other items for survival.
Details of the injury/healing system are still being worked out, but taking damage will affect Lara's abilities and, unlike past games, she will show pain and emotion.
A system of "base camps," including an abandoned monastery, allow players to fast travel among various points on the island. Base camps also allow players to examine and combine inventory items and access a skill system to enhance Lara's abilities.
Changing weather conditions, Lara's improved gear and abilities, and the player's influence on the game world are intended to keep locations fresh when revisited.
The game will include a hint system called "survival instinct," in which players can highlight clues and interactive elements in the game world by pressing a button.
Helping hands and UI will be kept to a minimum, even though the game will show things like what can be burnt, or which buttons to press in Quicktime events.
The island’s central area will serve as the main headquarters. In the main camp, you’ll be able to “buy” abilities, make new tools or get back to missions you’ve already finished. The remaining area will be used to climb or search for new missions.
Lara has a “Survival Instinct”. By pressing a button you can activate a special view which will put a different colour to “interesting” elements in the environment: the background and non relevant objects will be shown in shades of grey and the clues in yellow. That way you’ll be able to follow traces normally invisible to the eye. For example, wolf footprints could lead you to a med-kit. When you reach it, one of those animals might attack you.
Puzzles will be more complex than in previous installments. They won’t be just about observing the environment, but about thinking about how water and fire interact, the importance of gravity, explosives, and so on.

All of these things make me think the reboot will be more realistic and basically moving more in the direction of RPG. Both of these things make me very exicted to play the game. Combined with the M rating, I get the feeling Tomb Raider is aiming for a more mature audience, possibly trying to 'grow up' with Lara's fans. I think that's a smart choice.
Of course I have my doubts, or questionmarks. Things like building Lara's abilities didn't work out at all in Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness, for example.
Making the game more realistic includes the very real risk that the game will be a lot harder and while I love a challenge, I mainly play the game to get through the story and getting stuck at a particularly difficult puzzle can frustrate me to the point where I will throw the controller (or keyboard) aside.
The possibility of revisiting the same places can be a good thing, but I honestly don't use it much in other games and it can become rather tedious if you have to go back 5 times to the same level. I hope the things mentioned that are supposed to keep the levels interesting actually work out well, because going back to the same place because you've finally managed to find a rope to get across the bridge where you can pick up that knive you need, is just plain annoying.
The same goes for gathering water, food and medical supplies. It can be a very good addition that makes the game feel more realistic and engaging, or it can become a tedious, repetetive task that needs to be completed at certain times.

In short, I'm very, very excited about the reboot, about the new things that are being revealed about the game. But - like with most things - a lot depends on how these concepts are worked out and integrated into the game. On those parts, I will hold my peace until I've actually experienced the game.

I apologize for the lack of lay-out in this post, but the text editor doesn't seem to be working for me.

d1n0_xD
7th Sep 2011, 10:14
^ That's a very nice review of the TR features and your own feelings and wishes for the upcoming game :D It was a joy reading it and I am, like you, very excited about the new TR and eager to find out how will they handle backtracking and stuff ^^
:thumb:

Magicallioness
7th Sep 2011, 10:39
Thanks! Let's hope it all works out well and the game will turn out fantastic ;)

Driber
14th Nov 2011, 08:17
*bump* (first post updated)

Lord Martok
8th Dec 2011, 21:00
Everything Magicallioness just pointed out, I would LOVE to see. Not "open-world" yet "non-linear" with side quests and elements like that....I am completely in tune. :)

Reven
18th Jul 2012, 01:49
Despite having some very strong...misgivings about some of the directions CD are taking and being unwilling to search through months of information that I haven't been keeping up to date on, I have to ask. Will the game actually live up not only to its legacy but it's title by there being tombs to raid ?.

d1n0_xD
18th Jul 2012, 04:33
^ Karl said they will certainly be tombs, and Brian said the game is Tomb Raider, of course there's gonna be tombs... Yesterday I read an article where Karl said they didn't show off any tombs because the first tomb she encounters, they wanna make it memorable. He compared it to Batman Begins, when he first puts his mask on... Up to that, you know he's Batman, you know he's gonna become Batman, but you didn't see it yet, Bruce first needed to overcome his fears and stuff, and then, when you get to see him putting the suit and mask on, it's memorable :D That's what they wanna do with TR too :D And I think they will show something in coming months, but don't quote me on that :D As for me, I don't want any spoilers, especially since he's saying they wanna make it special :D

Reven
18th Jul 2012, 21:12
I hope so because right now I am having a VERY hard time imagining the blood stained woman at the top of this forum becoming the badass tomb raider as shown in your banner.

Driber
18th Jul 2012, 22:54
Well that sort of is the point of playing the game, isn't it? ;)

Reven
19th Jul 2012, 01:37
Well that sort of is the point of playing the game, isn't it? ;)

True Driber but it's much more than that. I see these gameplay videos on YouTube and I can't stop asking myself. where is the puzzle solving that keep me and my mother stumped for days on end ?. Where is my tricky wall climbing and lever pulling ?. I don't see this Lara doing any of that and I can't and don't see this Lara killing T-rex's or diving to the bottom of the ocean without oxygen in her search for clues to the dagger of Xian. CD would have to deliver 110% to convince me of this and so far I am sadly not. Or perhaps I am just too much of a in denial Core design fanboy with an unshakable attachment to MY Lara, the one I grew up with, the one who once killed a god.

Driber
10th Apr 2013, 14:28
I'm merging the forum navigation part in the OP with the welcome thread, so I'm unsticking this thread to unclutter the list of stickies :)

Shaikh
10th Apr 2013, 15:32
I'm merging the forum navigation part in the OP with the welcome thread, so I'm unsticking this thread to unclutter the list of stickies :)
Good decision. There is way too much sticky threads. :thumb: