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Di3oxide
9th Sep 2010, 02:29
Hey guys,

Just wondering what this formula, symbol, equation(whatever you call it) means, stands for or is for?

luminar
9th Sep 2010, 02:44
Hey guys,

Just wondering what this formula, symbol, equation(whatever you call it) means, stands for or is for?

H+ is a transhumanist symbol. Other than that I don't know.

Pinky_Powers
9th Sep 2010, 02:52
It means Human + ...but plus what? Technology? Magic? A weak definition of evolution?

hem dazon 90
9th Sep 2010, 02:56
humans plus 3 + sentient godlike floating question mark

there I solved it

TrickyVein
9th Sep 2010, 02:56
A hydrogen anion (or is it cation? It's positive, but not really "metallic") , the electron of which has been promoted "up" three levels by absorbing some particular band of electromagnetic radiation?

Or, maybe its a measure of acidity, the concentration of free hydrogen ions, promoted to the third power?

JackShandy
9th Sep 2010, 03:08
H+ is Humanity plus 1, which represents the whole WE SHALL BECOME MORE THAN HUMAN thing Human Revolution's got a boner for. The three is just for Deus Ex 3.

TrickyVein
9th Sep 2010, 03:47
Thanks, I'll begin to extract my head from where it did reside - up me bum for a little bit. :)

I apologize.

rokstrombo
9th Sep 2010, 06:15
H+ is Humanity plus 1, which represents the whole WE SHALL BECOME MORE THAN HUMAN thing Human Revolution's got a boner for.

Interesting imagery! I am a little curious yet seriously concerned about the logo for Human Revolution you might have created given the opportunity :D

K^2
9th Sep 2010, 07:10
[h+] is the congruence class of h-adjoint. I'm not sure why it is cubed.

What?

St. Mellow
9th Sep 2010, 18:01
[h+] is the congruence class of h-adjoint. I'm not sure why it is cubed.

For MOAR POWER!!!

Pretentious Old Man.
9th Sep 2010, 20:02
I read that as an ion of Hydrogen with one electron removed, cubed.

Dead-Eye
9th Sep 2010, 20:46
H+ is Humanity plus 1, which represents the whole WE SHALL BECOME MORE THAN HUMAN thing Human Revolution's got a boner for. The three is just for Deus Ex 3.

This is probably accurate.

...unless it's the equation we need to put in the computer at the end of the game.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
22nd Nov 2010, 10:08
Just some fun... ;)


I'm curious as to the references to bulls and bees we've noted in DX:HR so far. Perhaps it is no coincidence? There exists a close connection to mythology and symbolism that DX usually draws upon.

The Bee and Bull symbolism go hand-in-hand in Greek mythology - they believed that "bees were born of bulls". Zeus himself was raised by bees and Dionysus, the Bull God, was raised on honey, and is said to have assumed the form of a bull before being torn to pieces and reborn as a Bee. The Labyrinth was reported to resemble a beehive in layout....
The list goes on and on and I've added some further information below, sourced from various history websites.

If you find any further references to mythology in DX:HR, we can use this thread to share and discuss.

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UPDATES:


Adam Jensen, the game's hero, lives in a luxury apartment complex in downtown Detroit named the Chiron Building. This may turn out to be strangely prophetic: in Greek mythology, Chiron was considered to be the superlative centaur - intelligent, civilized, and kind.



For those interested in sacred geometry, perhaps watch BBC's "The Code".
This is a link to chapter two of the series which deals with shapes. Hexagons and bees galore.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01320wn/The_Code_Shapes/

Also some fantastic demonstrations using bubbles and the architecture of Frei Otto.





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Here is a list of the references to bulls and bees in game, so far known. I will update it with anything else that has been missed, or comes to light. Obviously, these references could mean nothing, or be completely coincidental, but perhaps they mean a great deal. You decide.


BEES/HONEY
Hexagons appear everywhere: on Adam's forehead, in architecture, design and fashion
One of the main points of focus in the game is a visit to "THE HIVE" nightclub
Faridah Malik pilots a VTOL aircraft named the "B-EE"
The game's palette is essentially gold and black; the colour of bees.

BULLS/HORNS
Barrett and Fedorova (and most likely others in their group) sport a nose-ring in their nostrils.
Barrett is wearing a buckle on his belt that shows the head of a Bull.
At the underground terminal, a wall poster of a bull can be seen. Could it represent Herman The Bull?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_the_Bull

Other connections?
Will DX:HR tell us more about the origins of the Omar? Perhaps because:
VERSALIFE is back! The Omar were a Russian Versalife experiment.
The Beehive is said to represent the "collective" wisdom of mankind.


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BULLS & BEES - Mythological Trivia
Mycenae featured a Beehive shaped tomb style called thalamus. The choice of the Bee’s hive as the model for their most important tombs reinforces the significance that Mycenaean culture placed on the Bee in the afterlife, and suggests that its reputation as a symbol of resurrection may have been inherited from the Egyptians and Sumerians before them.

At Delphi, site of the most important oracle in the ancient world, legend asserts that the second temple was constructed entirely by Bees. In fact, the Oracle itself – the Omphalos Stone, resembles a Beehive and is designed with crisscrossing rows of Bee-like symbols, reminiscent of the ‘Net dress’ worn by Nut, the Egyptian goddess of the sky and keeper of the title "She Who Holds a Thousand Souls".

Not only did the Greeks believe that honey was ‘the food of the gods’ and that Bees were born of bulls, they believed that Bees were intricately entwined in the everyday lives of their gods. Take for example Zeus, the Greek ‘King of the Gods’ who was born in a cave and raised by Bees, earning him the title Melissaios, or Bee-man. Similarly Dionysus, the Greek god of ritual madness, ecstasy, and wine was called the Bull God and was fed honey as a baby by the nymph Makris, daughter of Aristaeus, the protector of flocks - and Bees.

Additionally, Dionysus was said to have assumed the form of a bull before being torn to pieces and reborn as a Bee. Intriguingly, the cult of Dionysus consisted of a group of frenzied female worshippers called Maenads’s (Greek) or Bacchante’s (Roman), who were renowned for their dancing and who were believed to have had wings. Might these bull worshiping maidens have been Bee priestesses?

Drawing upon the Daedalus/Icarus myth, descriptions of the labyrinth recall an image of a Beehive with winding passages.

In Knossos, jars called pithoi were used to store honey in preparation for the mid summer New Years celebration.

The Greek sea god Glaucus, the son of Minos and Pasiphae, was restored to life when buried in a jar of honey.

Honey was also a symbol of death and was frequently used as an offering to the gods. The dualistic quality of honey is no coincidence, as the nectar and its maker – the Bee, appear to represent the very cycle of existence. One could say that as the Bee returns to its hive, so the Melissa returns to its god in the afterlife; the beginning is the end and the end is the beginning.

Many gold rings of Minoan workmanship from Crete and Greece portray the bee-headed goddess or the same goddess holding bull’s horns above her head. An onyx gem from Knossos dating to approximately 1500 BC illustrates a Bee goddess with bull horns above her head.

In the story of Aristaeus', his bees sickened and began to die, so he went to the fountain Arethusa and was advised to establish altars, sacrifice cattle and leave their carcasses. From the carcasses, new swarms of bees rose.

The symbolic adoration of the Bee in Spain and other Latin America countries. Here, Bee veneration is perhaps unconsciously preserved in the popular, albeit controversial sport of Bullfighting; a spectacle that recalls the ancient mystery school of Mithraism and the ancient practice of ritualistically slaughtering bulls in order to regenerate souls in the form of Bees. In fact, many of Spain’s oldest bullrings are built on or near Mithras temples, confirming the association.

The Roman Bee goddess was named Mellonia and Marcus Aurelius, the Roman emperor, philosopher and some would argue the world's first Socialist, coined the phrase; "What is not good for the swarm is not good for the bee."

Lycurgus, founder of Sparta, built his model for the perfect Spartan government on the social strata observed in the Beehive.

Bees were depicted on coins throughout the ancient world, such as Sicily, where a Bee is featured on a 7th century BC coin. And in Rhodes – the ancient home of Poseidon, an 8th century gold plague depicts a decidedly Egyptian looking sphinx with a Bee headdress and sternum.

“The bee is more honored than other animals, not because she labors, but because she labors for others”
"Every saint has a bee in his halo"

A community of honey bees has often been employed by political theorists as a model of human society. This metaphor occurs early in Aristotle and Plato; and Tolstoy also compares human society to a community of bees in War and Peace.

Honey bees, signifying immortality and resurrection, were royal emblems of the Merovingians, revived by Napoleon. The bee is also the heraldic emblem of the Barberini.

In ancient Egypt, the bee was an insignia of kingship associated particularly with Lower Egypt, where there may even have been a Bee King in pre-dynastic times. After the unification of Upper and Lower Egypt, this symbol was incorporated in the title usually preceding the throne name of pharaoh and expressing the unity of the two realms, He of the Sedge and of the Bee.

Bees are a blessing from nature as they provide nutrition, medicine, wax (light), natural preservatives, cosmetics and pollination of fruit trees and other food crops.

The bees’ industrious organized behaviour has been a symbol of perseverance, unity and teamwork. The bee is also an ancient symbol of sacredness, associated with the Mother Goddess or Divine Feminine because bees are ruled by queens and the hive was likened to the womb of the Great Mother. In ancient cultures, Goddesses associated with nature and fertility are often symbolized with the honey bee. Some of these include: Artemis/Diana, Demeter, Persephone, Ma, Rhea, Ceres, Cybele and Aphrodite. Aphrodite, revered as the queen bee by her priestesses, was worshipped at a honey-comb shaped shrine at Mt Eryx. The hexagonal shape of the honeycomb was the holy geometric shape of cosmic harmony. The honeycomb represented the perfect union of the macrocosm with the microcosm.

In many ancient Egyptian, Indian and Greek cultures, bees represented the divine spirit or soul.
The bee was the symbol of the Goddess of Regeneration found in neolithic pottery.
In the ancient Minoan culture they were a symbol of immortality and rebirth. In Celtic myth, bees were regarded as beings of great wisdom and spirit messengers between worlds. Honey was treated as a magical substance and used in many ancient magical rituals. Honey made into mead was endowed with prophetic powers. Honey was called nectar of the gods. The term ‘blessed be’ can also be written as ‘blessed bee’; having strong connections to the ancient craft of the wise and the divine blessing of love, protection, & abundance.

The use of honey, royal jelly, bee pollen and beeswax is a truly ancient, sacred and magical act symbolically connected to the love, nurturance and divine blessing of our Goddess.

SageSavage
22nd Nov 2010, 12:31
Interesting, thanks.

Sotsiak
22nd Nov 2010, 12:45
In ancient Greece, the bull was the symbol of the Gods. The fathers of the Gods had the form of bulls. Bulls were the Gods of atmosphere, thunder, rain etc but then they lost their autonomy.

Bulls symbolized stamina, strength, independence and fertility. Especially the first two are characteristics of Barrett and Fedorova.

Source (http://www.e-zine.gr/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=74)

Fluffis
22nd Nov 2010, 13:03
And of course we have the minotaur, the man-bull hybrid, who Theseus fought to stop the sacrifices, and to free the captured Athenians.

mad_red
22nd Nov 2010, 14:46
Very well found, explored and researched! I think you've tracked Eidos' footsprints pretty well. However, I'm not a big fan of literary nor anthropoligical explanations of myth and symbolism. I feel they're often superficial and underestimate the sophistication of ancient cultures. To me it's just as unlikely for a modern scientist as it is for a ancient philosopher to use fairytales to fill up the gaps in his knowledge - unless of course, they were highly sophisticated fairy tales! Therefore I always assume these modern renditions of ancient mythology, cosmogeny etc are the exoteric version.

So here's what I would add.

Bees are sensitive to their electromagnetism. There is one other creature that enjoys widespread symbolic use to this very day because of this, who appears to share a very similar role. MyImmortal came very close to that creature (6 degrees and all that). I will let you discover for yourselves which creature I'm talking about! :rasp:

Also, it's interesting how bulls at times are caught within labyrinths, and at the same time they have labyrinths in their eyes. Sometimes they are gold, and at other times they have a golden (actually it's orange/red) sun between its horns. Did you know that cattle have earth's magnetic field on their mind while doing their grazing?

What am I getting at? Nothing :D Just painting a bullseye on my chest. Or on my muleta.

TheMorten
22nd Nov 2010, 19:58
Might the Bees thing refer to Heng Sha, the densely populated island that is featured in the Human Revolution demos so far? Since its built in two levels, making the beehive analogy handy...

H.D.Case
22nd Nov 2010, 20:56
Ok, so mine's here, a slightly post-Greek one. I think that Adam's blades is a Freudian phallic concept, a representation of sexual experimentation. :D So in the game Adam's so depressed after his girlfriend's death that he loses his mind and decides to set off for a blade thrusting spree. Way to go Adam! And shame on you, EM! ;)

TrickyVein
22nd Nov 2010, 21:13
The expression "I'm feeling horny" comes from bull-worship as a symbol of fertility. From what people and which beliefs I don't know off-hand. I'm sure Barret and Fedorova are not associated with a fertility cult.

Woah!!! Wait - I'm just reading through that mythological jargon stuff you've posted - where are you getting this information? Mycenaean tombs are not hexagonal, not the tumulus that you mention - they are circular and vaulted, and earlier incarnations of graves for warriors or local chiefs at the grave-circle B at Mycenae are shaft tombs.

I find myself throwing up objections to many of the "facts" that you've listed under trivia from the ancient world. I don't see the significance in listing that Minoan elite imported pithoi - which is just a vessel type - into Knossos to use for honey. They also exported fragrant oils to the rest of the Aegean and the Near East and this is certainly more significant archaeologically than their use of honey.

Furthermore, there is absolutely no way you could confidently "link" any of these ancient civilizations with regards to how each of them revered their gods and synthesized Bees and Bulls into their respective mythologies. I want some qualification.

TheMorten
22nd Nov 2010, 21:14
Ok, so mine's here, a slightly post-Greek one. I think that Adam's blades is a Freudian phallic concept, a representation of sexual experimentation. :D So in the game Adam's so depressed after his girlfriend's death that he loses his mind and decides to set off for a blade thrusting spree. Way to go Adam! And shame on you, EM! ;)

You have a twisted mind, sir... :P

H.D.Case
22nd Nov 2010, 21:40
You have a twisted mind, sir... :P

Aye...I mean, Nay!! ;) The truth is that I wanted to make this thread sound less serious ;) And as I had to read Freud recently, it was pretty easy. Like, if we want to refer to the Minotaur myth, you know what the guy said the myth about the monster and labyrinth was all about? It was about a post-anal birth (some strange birth-giving complication, or sth). So calling ME crazy now? :D

TheMorten
22nd Nov 2010, 21:56
Aye...I mean, Nay!! ;) The truth is that I wanted to make this thread sound less serious ;) And as I had to read Freud recently, it was pretty easy. Like, if we want to refer to the Minotaur myth, you know what the guy said the myth about the monster and labyrinth was all about? It was about a post-anal birth (some strange birth-giving complication, or sth). So calling ME crazy now? :D

I concur.

Back on subject. ;)

I think, in Neuromancer, William Gibson refers to Molly's eyes as reminding him of a bee or other type of insect. Molly's eyes, as described in the book, remind me a lot of Jensen's "my vision is augmented" glasses. :P

Refer to the picture below...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Shadowrunenr/e32c017b.jpg

H.D.Case
22nd Nov 2010, 22:28
I thought they were larger? Or at least it was the way I imagined those glasses.

TheMorten
22nd Nov 2010, 22:31
Me too, but a quick search on Google for "neuromancer molly" provides pictures of her with these eyes or smaller.

Fluffis
22nd Nov 2010, 22:34
Huh. I always imagined her specs as being big enough to be framed by her eyebrows and her cheekbones.

TheMorten
22nd Nov 2010, 22:45
I think that's the wording in the novel too...

Found this one, which is slightly better...

http://cailais.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/neuromancer_by_quicsilver.png

I'm trying to find an old Shadowrun illustration with a scene taken straight from Neuromancer, but for the life of me I cannot find it when I need it... :/

Fluffis
22nd Nov 2010, 22:48
I think that's the wording in the novel too...

Found this one, which is slightly better...

http://cailais.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/neuromancer_by_quicsilver.png


That's definitely closer. Though considering the time of release for the book, I always imagined something closer to pilot glasses. But that may just be my own delusions.



I'm trying to find an old Shadowrun illustration with a scene taken straight from Neuromancer, but for the life of me I cannot find it when I need it... :/


I think I know the one you're talking about. Unfortunately, I don't have the RPG myself, so I can't check.

H.D.Case
22nd Nov 2010, 23:03
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b322/amyroxs/NerdChicks.jpg
I found this looking for the perfect image :D

But lookie here, looks like a Molly-meets-a-trooper-from-DX:IW
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3042/3021877143_78e3532c2e.jpg

Edit: http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/68531342/13174144 ??

TheMorten
22nd Nov 2010, 23:32
Nice finds! :)

At any rate, back on topic I guess. We can all agree later that Molly is hawt.

The Hive might be named so because it is the head-quarters of some (dun-duuuun!) hidden underground group, sending out 'drones' (i.e. hackers) to bring back honey (i.e. money or goods) to the queen (???).

Lady_Of_The_Vine
22nd Nov 2010, 23:52
The expression "I'm feeling horny" comes from bull-worship as a symbol of fertility. From what people and which beliefs I don't know off-hand. I'm sure Barret and Fedorova are not associated with a fertility cult.
Woah!!! Wait - I'm just reading through that mythological jargon stuff you've posted - where are you getting this information? Mycenaean tombs are not hexagonal, not the tumulus that you mention - they are circular and vaulted, and earlier incarnations of graves for warriors or local chiefs at the grave-circle B at Mycenae are shaft tombs.
I find myself throwing up objections to many of the "facts" that you've listed under trivia from the ancient world. I don't see the significance in listing that Minoan elite imported pithoi - which is just a vessel type - into Knossos to use for honey. They also exported fragrant oils to the rest of the Aegean and the Near East and this is certainly more significant archaeologically than their use of honey.
Furthermore, there is absolutely no way you could confidently "link" any of these ancient civilizations with regards to how each of them revered their gods and synthesized Bees and Bulls into their respective mythologies. I want some qualification.

Relax. This thread is just for fun.
The trivia section is a selection of random information to browse through whilst you enjoy tea and biscuits - there is no attempt to link anything in particular in any serious way.

As for the points you question, did you read correctly? I can't see anything that says that Mycenaean tombs are hexagonal (it says beehive, as in beehive shape). Nor can I see anything about the Minoan elite importing honey - it just refers to them storing honey in preparation for the midsummer New Years celebration. Furthermore, it wasn't added to the trivia list for any archaeological significance with regard to the pithoi that you deem to be so important, it is just to example their reverence to honey as an important product for ritual.
Qualification? Hmm, I'm afraid I can't remember all the sites I found the information from, and I'm too lazy to go search them all out, sorry. But some links added below for what you have questioned.


Mycenae also featured a Beehive shaped tomb style called thalamus. The choice of the Bee’s hive as the model for their most important tombs reinforces the significance that Mycenaean culture placed on the Bee in the afterlife, and suggests that its reputation as a symbol of resurrection may have been inherited from the Egyptians and Sumerians before them.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Beehive_tomb
http://www.historywiz.com/beehivetombs.htm

Very detailed pages regarding ancient cultures and rituals:
Beedazzled, Beewildered, Beegotten,
http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/bee1_1.html



The expression "I'm feeling horny" comes from bull-worship as a symbol of fertility. From what people and which beliefs I don't know off-hand. I'm sure Barret and Fedorova are not associated with a fertility cult.
Hmm, I wouldn't discard this notion completely. I can definitely imagine a biopolitical agenda regarding cybernetic reproduction. After all, we have a fetus in DX:HR's teaser trailer... and a ballot box and public riots.

Fluffis
22nd Nov 2010, 23:58
Hmm, I wouldn't discard this notion completely. I can definitely imagine a biopolitical agenda regarding cybernetic reproduction. After all, we have a fetus in DX:HR's teaser trailer... and a ballot box and public riots.

I'm guessing they've already reproduced, and I think we've already seen the little bundle of joy. He tries to say "Hi" to his uncle Adam, at the warehouse.

Rindill the Red
23rd Nov 2010, 01:33
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3042/3021877143_78e3532c2e.jpg

Edit: http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/68531342/13174144 ??

I'm sorry, but all I see in that picture is Michael Jackson cross-dressing.

TheMorten
23rd Nov 2010, 01:42
I just realized Ashpolts avatar pic says 'BEES'...

Is he in on the conspiracy?

Serendip1ty
23rd Nov 2010, 02:50
Before i start ranting i want to say I can't wait get my hands on this game but for some strange reason the mythological references we have seen so far don't sparkle my interest at all (which is odd). They are so obvious, stereotypical & overused in a way it kinda destroys it's whole purpose for me. It gives the game a "false depth" imo. I hope the actual story behind the game is at least somewhat decent.

Rindill the Red
23rd Nov 2010, 03:09
Before i start ranting i want to say I can't wait get my hands on this game but for some strange reason the mythological references we have seen so far don't sparkle my interest at all (which is odd). They are so obvious, stereotypical & overused in a way it kinda destroys it's whole purpose for me. It gives the game a "false depth" imo. I hope the actual story behind the game is at least somewhat decent.

I would say it's more of an artistic inspiration than the actual depth of the plot(which we basically know nothing about at this point (as it should be)).

mentalkase
23rd Nov 2010, 03:37
I personally take it as a good sign that they've added some symbolism to the visual design of the game. It shows an overall aspiration towards depth. It doesn't mean much if it's a little heavy handed in execution because this originated in the realm of the artists not the writers. We're yet to really see the writers work.

cartridge
23rd Nov 2010, 03:54
"The Hive" isn't all that original, though. The name has been used by several organizations and in many forms of mainstream media. If I recall correctly, it's also the name of the Umbrella-operated facility below Raccoon City in RE2.

Rindill the Red
23rd Nov 2010, 04:06
"The Hive" isn't all that original, though. The name has been used by several organizations and in many forms of mainstream media. If I recall correctly, it's also the name of the Umbrella-operated facility below Raccoon City in RE2.

Almost nothing is original... what it does is work in terms of the games artistic, philosophical, and allegorical underpinnings.

cartridge
23rd Nov 2010, 04:14
I know, I just wished the could have used something more imaginative and a little less cliche. It's a f***ing nightclub. Nothing artistic, philosophical or remotely allegorical about it. It's easy to remember, because it's been used a million times. That's about all the name has going for it at this point.

cartridge
23rd Nov 2010, 04:36
Not entirely sure on all the details on the location, but if by any chance it's owned and operated by a criminal organization, naming it "The Hive" is totally not "organized." Lol. They may as well paint targets on their foreheads.

TrickyVein
23rd Nov 2010, 05:54
MyImmortal, thanksverymuch.

It's because I'm studying archaeology that I'm skeptical of the information you've presented. All too often people lump together ancient mythologies and beliefs as if they all belonged to the same corpus of civilization, like the "ancients have something to tell us," and nothing could be further from the truth.

I can say right now that the Minoan seal-stone impression that this guy talks about in the one link you provided shows an epiphany ritual and anything having to do with bees in the picture is paltry at best. Similarly, the "beehive" type-tomb is a term that modern scholars have applied to the tholos tombs and therefore not significant or representative of any Mycenaean beliefs.

Modern scholarship frequently dictates what is significant from archaeology; if you're looking for something, chances are you're going to find it or find some way to twist information into supporting your particular view which is why archaeologists should be particularly careful to interpret material culture.

TheYouthCounselor
23rd Nov 2010, 06:14
At the underground terminal, a wall poster of a bull can be seen. Could it represent Herman The Bull?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_the_Bull

Herrmann? I vant a cow not a booooll!

Oh and to add to your comments on honey and cows. Honey and milk are considered divine foods in religions besides the Greco-Roman pantheon. Ancient Egyptians kept honey in their tombs, that's still good to eat today. Cultures around the world fed a mixture of honey and mercury to their dead.

In the Judeo-Christian beliefs "milk and honey" was used to describe divine areas. The promised land was said to be the land of milk and honey. An offering of milk and honey was supposed to be a very generous thing for a host to offer.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
23rd Nov 2010, 08:33
^
Of course! "Milk & Honey"... a well-known combination. Thanks for reminding us of this. This has always been an inspiration for many a fine song too.

@TrickyVein: Fair shout. I understand where you're coming from.

coweater
23rd Nov 2010, 09:38
I think it proves that the ancient people had weird beliefs.

Pinky_Powers
23rd Nov 2010, 11:45
I know, I just wished the could have used something more imaginative and a little less cliche. It's a f***ing nightclub. Nothing artistic, philosophical or remotely allegorical about it. It's easy to remember, because it's been used a million times. That's about all the name has going for it at this point.

Why can a nightclub not have more meaning than its public purpose? We already know it's run by Tong, who is a big player in Hengsha, and operates directly out of this property. I see no reason to begrudge it any metaphorical underpinnings it may possess.

TrickyVein
23rd Nov 2010, 17:29
I wonder if honey-mixed drinks are The Hive's specialty.

Ilves
23rd Nov 2010, 17:35
Probably just a personal malfunction of mine, but dairy products combined with honey make me nauseous... Really, just now, thinking about it... :(

Pinky_Powers
23rd Nov 2010, 18:41
Probably just a personal malfunction of mine, but dairy products combined with honey make me nauseous... Really, just now, thinking about it... :(

You have my sympathy. Clover Honey poured into a cold glass of milk is one of my favorite things.

Fluffis
23rd Nov 2010, 21:32
Probably just a personal malfunction of mine, but dairy products combined with honey make me nauseous... Really, just now, thinking about it... :(

You're not alone.

I've tried it and had just about that reaction. It just doesn't work for me. Something about it, makes it disgusting to me.

Rindill the Red
23rd Nov 2010, 22:47
I just don't like honey... so milk with honey is a no-go.

Pinky_Powers
23rd Nov 2010, 23:20
You've never tried honey until you've eaten it off the bare skin of a beautiful woman.

Or at least until you've filled your shoes with it and gone for a jog.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
24th Nov 2010, 14:02
^
Too funny! :D


I think it proves that the ancient people had weird beliefs.
Modern people too, so nothing much has changed. ;)

Sorry for double-post, will merge later.

Another piece of "mythological information" found on IDMB.



Trivia
Adam Jensen, the game's hero, lives in a luxury apartment complex in downtown Detroit named the Chiron Building. This may turn out to be strangely prophetic: in Greek mythology, Chiron was considered to be the superlative centaur - intelligent, civilized, and kind. He had a unique lineage and, as a child, was taught by the sun god, Apollo. See more »

Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1319708/

jtr7
10th Feb 2011, 10:15
I wonder if honey-mixed drinks are The Hive's specialty.

Join your droogs at the milk bar, have some milk-plus to sharpen you up ,and ready yourself for a bit of the old ultra-violence...



Another piece of "mythological information" found on IDMB.

Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1319708/

:thumb:

Lady_Of_The_Vine
10th Feb 2011, 10:57
You're welcome. IMDB add this bit of info too:



Every street and district in the game's city hubs has been given a name, and many of the names have added layers of meaning. For example, "Daigong" - the name of the worker's district in the game's Chinese city - could be interpreted as "subcontract work" in one pronunciation, and as "deliberately lazy worker" in another.

Pinky_Powers
10th Feb 2011, 11:02
That write-up has a weirdly familiar taste to it. I think it was posted a few months back... :scratch:

Lady_Of_The_Vine
10th Feb 2011, 13:33
^
The last quote, do you mean?
I can't remember it myself, but I was away for a while, so my apologies if already posted. :)

Lady_Of_The_Vine
7th Aug 2011, 12:30
For those interested in sacred geometry, perhaps watch BBC's "The Code".
This is a link to chapter two of the series which deals with shapes. Hexagons and bees galore. :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01320wn/The_Code_Shapes/

Also some fantastic demonstrations using bubbles and the architecture of Frei Otto.

tDwtp
12th Aug 2011, 15:29
Okay... reading this is somehow quite bewildering. It's quiet easy what that means:

[h+] is transhumanism (It means the onset of technology to improve the body)
³ should be easy after knowing what [h+] is: It's just the use or improvement of [h+] (technology for body improvements).

iloveyouXWORLD
12th Aug 2011, 15:40
Okay... reading this is somehow quite bewildering. It's quiet easy what that means:

[h+] is transhumanism (It means the onset of technology to improve the body)
³ should be easy after knowing what [h+] is: It's just the use or improvement of [h+] (technology for body improvements).

nah im sure it is what Jackshandy says. just the transhumanism symbol with 3 for dx3. but why is it cubed?
or maybe it is what you say tDwtp, but still refering to dx3 aswell

Amitush
12th Aug 2011, 15:53
my..head..hurts...!

Kodaemon
12th Aug 2011, 16:00
but why is it cubed?

Same reason why Half-Life 2 has a squared lambda for a logo.

iloveyouXWORLD
12th Aug 2011, 16:07
Same reason why Half-Life 2 has a squared lambda for a logo.

which is?

Piflik
12th Aug 2011, 16:16
which is?

Deus Ex 3 maybe? :D

Darthassin
12th Aug 2011, 16:37
H = human
[H+] = more than human
3 = because it's third Deus Ex game :D

Romeo
12th Aug 2011, 18:18
Yeah, Jack and Darth have nailed it. A series about being more than human (Human = 'h'.Thus, human plus becomes h+). And this would be the third iteration of the series, thus I assume that being to the power of three (^3) is simply a manner of representing that.

IdiotInAJeep
12th Aug 2011, 23:03
It's pretty simple, H+ is transhumanist and represents Deus Ex, ^3 is to the power of 3 so Deus Ex 3 in a fancy way.

cartridge
13th Aug 2011, 00:00
You guys are silly. It totally means [He-Man+]3 companions = a frustrated as **** Skeletor.

jtr7
13th Aug 2011, 01:17
Yep, just like the Delta symbol--meaning "change"--is not an "A" but is used as one.