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Rindill the Red
6th Sep 2010, 04:52
Video Game Addiction:

Possible Symptoms:
"Excessive use of video games may have some or all of the symptoms of drug addiction or other proposed psychological addictions. Some players become more concerned with their interactions in the game than in their broader lives. Players may play many hours per day, gain or lose significant weight due to playing, disrupt sleep patterns to play and suffer sleep deprivation as an effect, play at work, avoid phone calls from friends and/or lie about play time. Relationships with family and friends and performance at work or school may suffer." - Wikipedia (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19354827/)

"Overuse": "In its report, the Council used this two-hour-per-day limit to define "gaming overuse", citing the American Academy of Pediatrics guideline of no more than one to two hours per day of "screen time." - Wikipedia (http://psychcentral.com/blog/images/csaph12a07.pdf)

While the APA decided that there wasn't enough evidence to include Video Game Addiction in the DSM to be released in 2012, I have found the "possible symptoms" very interesting.

Now, while it is my experience that people do not become addicted to video games in the way outlined above, (though they can become a habit), certain games, and if you've experienced them, you know what I mean, are just extremely addictive (in a good way).

I'm talking about games that you play to death, that you find yourself thinking about when you aren't playing them, games that as soon as you are done, you immediately start the game over and begin to play through again.

And so I wanted to see what games the Deus Ex forums have been essentially addicted to...
(besides Deus Ex, of course)

I believe the biggest factor for "addiction" is actually the quality that people around here praise the most: immersion.

For me, the winner is Morrowind, hands down: that game basically sucked away my life for a month during gradeschool.

Bradrakh
6th Sep 2010, 05:55
Ragnarok Online stole a part of my soul in high school. You level a character from 1 to 99, reborn into a powerful form of that character, and then grind away from lvl 1 to 99. Luckily, I recovered quickly from that addiction in due time for college, and I avoided a lot of mmos since then. Even when people told me to try a few of them, I usually quit by the end of the week when aspects of it reminds me of that game (like level grinding and strict death punishment such as loss of exp.).

I played some real fun games, but none had that addicting power that RO had on me years ago.

Red
6th Sep 2010, 08:09
- Ditto for Morrowind
- Titan Quest: Immortal Throne. Clocked in 370+ hours and still going. And that's only the official stat after Steam started stopwatching it. I think the number is closer to 500h.
- Lumines. Oh god, yes, LUMINES! And now its cousin is about to arrive, Chime.

The only multiplayer which had me in its grip is Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. There were times of 6+h per day in that one :)

Now, on the brink of graduating, I already have a job, there's less time for all the gaming I'd like to do, but hey - I still do game, just not so intensively as back in the days.

lithos
6th Sep 2010, 09:01
Tetris.

Doo doo-di-doot, doo-di-doot, doo-di-doot-

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT STOP! MAKEITSTOPMAKEITSTOPMAKEITSTOP!

II J0SePh X II
6th Sep 2010, 09:12
I'm seriously addicted to VGs, If I'm not playing them, I'm talking about them on the Internet. I even find myself trying to steer conversations towards gaming when I'm talking to non-gamers. Family and friends are being neglected, social intercourse is dwindling away and I just cannot keep a goddamn appointment.

It's like The Matrix has come true, we immerse ourselves in fantastical worlds like the Capital Wasteland or Liberty City or wherever but take a step back and look at yourself and you're doing nothing except interacting with a machine that's sucking all the time out of your life.

Even though I've been an owner of many platforms since 1979, it's only in this gen that I've become addicted. Before it was throwaway entertainment - just interesting enough to last a couple of hours - nothing that stopped me going out and finding much more interesting things. All that changed in late 2007. I had a small plot of land where I'd grow veg and fruit, went for long trips out always visiting family and I loved birdwatching and nature in general. I found being in a bit of a bore and decided to upgrade the N64 to a 360 and later I got GTA4.

This might sound strage, but I was tending my little plot of land and I got this feeling that thing were going on in Liberty City, and I wasn't there to witness them! It just felt that way. Then I went and did a crazy thing by hooking the 360 up to XBL and suddenly LC was full of "real" people. Within a few months the plot of land was abandoned and so was bird watching. Looking thru my stats yesterday, I've put 650hrs into GTA TDM and I don't think I've played it in earnest for just under a year, I've been heavily into Race since that time and probably put the same amont of hours in. Then there's FO3 and ME2 + 1 - I've played ME2 9 times and racked up 512hrs since its release.

I'd really like to see gaming addiction recognised, but it's so tough to nail down, and then what to do? Some of these games are like crack.

Red
6th Sep 2010, 09:33
Tetris.

Doo doo-di-doot, doo-di-doot, doo-di-doot-

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT STOP! MAKEITSTOPMAKEITSTOPMAKEITSTOP!

Holy SH* how did i forget to mention this one? I play tetris EVERY DAY. NO EXCEPTIONS. It's like coffee. No dose of Tetris for the day - all hell breaks loose :)

Rindill the Red
6th Sep 2010, 10:20
http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/62125/sid-meiers-civilization-v/videos/civilizationv_trl_civanon_62310.html?show=hi

--Relevant

xAcerbusx
6th Sep 2010, 10:36
The original Breath of Fire.

Nearly failed fifth grade because of that game. I would get up three hours earlier than I had to just to play it. It was my first RPG, and I still pop it in my old Super Nintendo from time to time. It's held up rather well.

Then there's Thief II.

The worst possible thing happened during my first playthrough in 2000... my computer fried. I was without a working computer for almost five months, in a state of limbo, stuck on 'Shipping... and Receiving' not knowing how the game ended. It was brutal.

lithos
6th Sep 2010, 12:17
Also, Win Solitaire.

TrickyVein
6th Sep 2010, 14:03
Most of my childhood - my time throughout middle-school and earlier - was spent playing Crash Bandicoot.

Before I played Fallout 3, I had really only casually pursued a game. Across all of the profiles I've begun, I'd say I've clocked in around, oh, 51 + 30ish + 50 again + 60 + 110 = around 300 hours? I think I'm forgetting a few profiles in there too. Never played a game like it before or since (with regards to my gaming habits).

*Immersion*

Oh, and I've been playing Unreal games for around 10 years now.

St. Mellow
6th Sep 2010, 14:30
Any Total War or Paradox Interactive game. I also had a terrible MMO addiction (started out lightweight, with RuneScape and Guild Wars, and, before I realized, I had progressed to hard stuff like World Of Warcraft and City Of Heroes) that I overcame in 2008. I've been clean since then, but it's a constant struggle. What keeps me from relapsing is both the thought of paying monthly for playing a game I already bought and that inescapable feeling of never really finishing anything. But the real test is going to be Star Wars: The Old Republic. Here's hoping for a flop. Seriously. I'm hoping it will suck just so it will be easier to keep clean.

Pretentious Old Man.
6th Sep 2010, 14:55
Ditto for Morrowind and the Total War series. Damn, I've sunk well over a thousand hours into Rome: Total War and its many mods since it's release. Empire and Napoleon left a sour taste, I must say, so that little trend is unlikely to continue.

http://dakkster.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/40116_full.jpg


http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3801/rometwbi201004010003331.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5057/rometwbi200905060053388.jpg

Deus Ex. (Would you ever have guessed?)
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/gs/rpg/deusex/deusex_screen003.jpg

Hidden and Dangerous 1&2. Without question the best first person shooter franchise ever made, still criminally under-appreciated to this day.
http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2003/pc/hiddenanddangerous2/1028/hidden_790screen002.jpg

Mafia I. Man, I was nearly crying when Paulie died.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/reviews/ps2/mafia/mafia-1.jpg

Stronghold I. Let's face it, who didn't sink hours and hours into Stronghold or Crusader once upon a time? This and AoE2 (Age of Empires 2), anyway.
http://i.d.com.com/i/dl/media/dlimage/18/17/39/181739_large.jpeg
http://blacksen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/age-of-empires-2.jpg

And now, for my latest craze:

The Hitman series. I only discovered this relatively recently, and I genuinely find Agent 47's story compelling. I'm playing both Contracts and Blood Money in parallel, they're both too good to put down! Blood Money is definitely the less demanding of the two, but it does allow you to get creative more and also has the better story. If you were like me and didn't play them then, play them now. Sadly, I haven't got the first two hitman titles. Not sure I will.

http://news.softpedia.com/images/reviews/large/HITMCONTIP_004-large.jpg
http://static2.videogamer.com/videogamer/images/ps2/hitman_blood_money/screens/hitman_blood_money_78.jpg

Mindmute
6th Sep 2010, 14:58
At it's golden (early-mid years) Freelancer MP stole a major portion of my life.

The game's multiplayer was sub-par, since the game was severly rushed (with it's hopes of being a fully dynamic universe ending up in a very static experience overall) but the community itself made the game a great experience providing creative meta-game mechanics and roleplay to it's (somewhat open-ended) world. They were effective to the point that on the Jolt FL server you had to wait and spam the Connect button for half an hour to try to get in at peak times. That server ended up taking 4 years of my life before it declined in population with the others.

Unstoppable
6th Sep 2010, 17:28
Final Fantasy 7 was great and wanted to keep me playing. Deus Ex and the Thief franchises where very immersive and just a blast to play.

Mass Effect 1 and 2 where great because they showed what exploring the galaxy could be like and the story was epic. Thievery the mod for Unreal Tournament a great multiplayer game.

Bushmonster
6th Sep 2010, 17:35
final fantasy 10 had loads of hours from me
morrowind did aswell

Donvermicelli
6th Sep 2010, 17:40
With the exception of Hidden and dangerous the entire list of games that Pretentious Old Man posted. Almost scares me o_O
EDIT: just for the record: Maffia II was garbage.

maddermadcat
6th Sep 2010, 18:01
I'm currently hopelessly addicted to minecraft. I feel like despite having very simplistic visuals, it's actually one of the best examples of the immersive simulations Spector likes to talk about. VtM: Bloodlines had me glued to my keyboard until I finished it. Same goes for Deus Ex and Thief I & 2. All super addictive for the same reasons.

Psychonauts had me playing my xbox non-stop until it ended. A friend that I'd usually game with and I were also very addicted to Metal Arms and Castle Crashers for long periods of time.

Rindill the Red
6th Sep 2010, 19:38
And now, for my latest craze:

The Hitman series. I only discovered this relatively recently, and I genuinely find Agent 47's story compelling. I'm playing both Contracts and Blood Money in parallel, they're both too good to put down! Blood Money is definitely the less demanding of the two, but it does allow you to get creative more and also has the better story. If you were like me and didn't play them then, play them now. Sadly, I haven't got the first two hitman titles. Not sure I will.



I highly suggest you pick up Hitman 2: Silent Assassin.

The original Hitman was good, but now-a-days is very dated; still worth a playthrough though if you find yourself with little else to do.

However, it was Hitman 2: Silent Assassin that really defined the series; and it's levels and storyline are still the best of the franchise IMO, definitely worth picking up. I found Hitman: Contracts to be a relatively sub-par Hitman experience, while Blood Money was awesome purely for the inclusion of "accidental" death scenarios; and if anyone assumes that violent videogames aren't bad for children; I can tell you that since playing my mind has automatically found itself thinking of ways to kill people I hate using undetectable methods like falling chandeliers and exploding grills.

Also: just beautiful: The Music by Jesper Kyd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZzK_mI3WvA)

mad_red
6th Sep 2010, 20:43
I guess I've had a whole bunch of addictive game experiences. This is just the stuff I can remember.

When I was a kid, games were a lot more difficult for me so I could spend months on stuff like:

Digger
Alley Cat
The original Flight Simulator
The original Prince of Persia
Police Quest 1, Space Quest 1, and King's Quest 3

Then when the industry really started rolling only a few games really managed to get me hooked:

Dune 2
X-Wing
One Must Fall 2097
Might & Magic 2
Master of Magic

Around that time I remember my friend got in trouble for being addicted to Syndicate.

I spend much less time on games more recently. Some games that I kept playing for quite a while:
Planescape: Torment
Civ: Call to Power
Alpha Centauri
Rome: Total War
Sins of a Solar Empire.

Every once in a while, I still go back to MoM, SoaSE, Rome, Planescape, and of course Deus Ex

MrFoxter
6th Sep 2010, 21:24
Talking about immersion, SYSTEM SHOCK 2!!!! Yeah, that game pwnd me so much, I was so lost, so alone and scared as hell, anyway I could not stop playing it! I even had this
http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/2006/06/shodan.jpg
as wallpaper on my mobile phone for six months!

Then there was Thief. Long, very long Thief. OK, it was long because I wanted a perfect playthrough and loaded frequently (just like in Deus Ex and pretty much every game I played :D). After playing, I was instinctively avoiding light, but now I am OK again :)
http://www.siggraph.org/publications/newsletter/v33n4/columns/images/rouse7.jpg

I have also strong weakness for LucasArts adventures. I was stunned by Grim Fandango (which has IMHO the best jazz noir soundtrack I've ever heard), followed by Full Throttle, The Dig and (in good way) insane Sam & Max: Hit the Road.
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/no_sequel-Grim-Fandango.jpg

Another brilliant adventure was The Neverhood, I just wanted more and more clay (in other words, I was in clay-more state of mind).
http://ohhaidamo.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/neverhood2.jpg

Blade Runner, BTW the best game by movie ever!
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00173/bladerunner_173990s.jpg

I won't forget Psychonauts, it's a shame that I did not collected all figments :(
http://firsthour.net/screenshots/psychonauts/psychonauts-raz-moon-forest.jpg

From recent games, it was Mass Effect 1/2 that kept me at computer. I had broken my leg, so I've had plenty of time for this awesome RPG's, which inherited so much from good ol' Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic.

The atmosphere of Dead Space reminded me my favorite SS2. Though linear and simpler, I really enjoyed it.

Now I play Borderlands in co-op 'till the morning, because it has so freakin' lot of guns and things to kill that I think I am gun-addicted. And it has truly great co-op!

Enough from me. I must convince myself to go to bed.

Irate_Iguana
6th Sep 2010, 21:26
The original Hitman was good, but now-a-days is very dated; still worth a playthrough though if you find yourself with little else to do.

Hitman: Codename 47 was hardcore. Like playing in Professional in the other games. Plus a few hyper vigilant guards. It can seriously get on your nerves. Took me ages when it first came out.



However, it was Hitman 2: Silent Assassin that really defined the series; and it's levels and storyline are still the best of the franchise IMO, definitely worth picking up.

SA does have a few annoying levels. Hidden Valley and At The Gates can make you wish you had an invisibility cheat. A few other levels can also be a bit annoying. Plus the guards that shoot as soon as you move faster than walking speed are a pain. But overall it is a fantastic game and really worth it.

Contracts was pretty decent. It had a few very interesting levels, but suffers due to the remade levels. Overall it feels tacked-on to the series instead of a decent installment. It doesn't really bring anything new to the series just a few very minor fixes. All in all it should have been an expansion pack to SA.

xAcerbusx
6th Sep 2010, 21:31
Blade Runner, BTW the best game by movie ever!
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00173/bladerunner_173990s.jpg


Couldn't agree more.
A brilliant game based off a brilliant movie. And it was released long before Blade Runner suddenly turned into every nerd's favorite film. Westwood was pretty ahead of the curve on that one.

TrickyVein
6th Sep 2010, 22:20
Mr. Foxter: I am currently making my way through The Neverhood. :)

I never could find out where to go after finding out that I was probably a replicant in Wwood's Bladerunner game however. :(

MrFoxter
7th Sep 2010, 05:23
Mr. Foxter: I am currently making my way through The Neverhood.(

Just be aware not to miss any of white bricks. Saves a lot of troubles. Also, try to pick up 3 apples from the tree in the backyard behind that room with TNT. After third apple, I truly ROFL'ed around for a while :D

pha
7th Sep 2010, 07:33
I've easily spent hundreds of hours each with the original Unreal Tournament, UT 2004, Diablo II, Arcanum, and Morrowind.

My favorite game is Omikron: The Nomad Soul, though. Quantic Dream's first game is a relatively short and linear action adventure released on PC and Dreamcast, and David Cage says he regrets ignoring Playstation, the most popular console of those times where the game would reach a far greater audience. Ironically he ended up making his last game Heavy Rain a PS3 exclusive.

Omikron has many blatant design flaws, and its combat mechanics are laughably bad, but for some mysterious reason it's "the" game for me.

http://i43.tinypic.com/egzjf7.jpg

There are also some games I haven't spent THAT much time playing, but still enjoy going back every once in a while for a bit of nostalgia. Like Undying,

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/797/undying43wu4.jpg

Knights of the Old Republic I and II,

http://insidergamersloop.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/kotor_header.jpg

GTA: Vice City and San Andreas,

http://img1.loadtr.com/b-345492-gta_san_andreas_k%C3%B6pr%C3%BC.jpg

and last but not least, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines.

http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Features/2009/02/Sneaky%20History%20of%20Stealth%20Games/Screens/vampire%20masquerade%20bloodlines--article_image.jpg

hem dazon 90
7th Sep 2010, 07:49
I'm seriously addicted to VGs, If I'm not playing them, I'm talking about them on the Internet. I even find myself trying to steer conversations towards gaming when I'm talking to non-gamers. Family and friends are being neglected, social intercourse is dwindling away and I just cannot keep a goddamn appointment.

It's like The Matrix has come true, we immerse ourselves in fantastical worlds like the Capital Wasteland or Liberty City or wherever but take a step back and look at yourself and you're doing nothing except interacting with a machine that's sucking all the time out of your life.

Even though I've been an owner of many platforms since 1979, it's only in this gen that I've become addicted. Before it was throwaway entertainment - just interesting enough to last a couple of hours - nothing that stopped me going out and finding much more interesting things. All that changed in late 2007. I had a small plot of land where I'd grow veg and fruit, went for long trips out always visiting family and I loved birdwatching and nature in general. I found being in a bit of a bore and decided to upgrade the N64 to a 360 and later I got GTA4.

This might sound strage, but I was tending my little plot of land and I got this feeling that thing were going on in Liberty City, and I wasn't there to witness them! It just felt that way. Then I went and did a crazy thing by hooking the 360 up to XBL and suddenly LC was full of "real" people. Within a few months the plot of land was abandoned and so was bird watching. Looking thru my stats yesterday, I've put 650hrs into GTA TDM and I don't think I've played it in earnest for just under a year, I've been heavily into Race since that time and probably put the same amont of hours in. Then there's FO3 and ME2 + 1 - I've played ME2 9 times and racked up 512hrs since its release.

I'd really like to see gaming addiction recognised, but it's so tough to nail down, and then what to do? Some of these games are like crack.


Dude...

St. Mellow
7th Sep 2010, 13:55
Nice seeing people mentioning KOTOR I & II, they're my all-time favorite games after DX. Which makes the TOR situation even worse. I am extremely p*$$*d off at the idea of turning this amazing series into an insipid MMO. What's even worse is the fact that, as a direct consequence of this retarded decision, the chances of KOTOR III being produced fall drastically.

Pinky_Powers
7th Sep 2010, 14:43
;1489548']Nice seeing people mentioning KOTOR I & II, they're my all-time favorite games after DX.

This exactly represents me as well. They are sooooo good. It's a great RPG set in my favorite universe.

However, I'm no longer mad at BioWare for The Old Republic. I was, but after reading up on it a year ago, my attitude has shifted. I'm no longer angry, but desperately afraid.

You see, I've never played an MMO; not a single one. They never seemed as refined in storytelling and characters as the best singleplayer games out there. But all this seems to be changing with The Old Republic. When words are spoken of this BioWare MMORPG, they tell of a potent story-driven experience and unique and engaging sidequests. They say it is not only the biggest game BioWare has ever worked on, but the biggest game ever made.

And so I am afraid. This could be the end of my life as I know it.

Rindill the Red
7th Sep 2010, 14:48
;1489548']Nice seeing people mentioning KOTOR I & II, they're my all-time favorite games after DX. Which makes the TOR situation even worse. I am extremely p*$$*d off at the idea of turning this amazing series into an insipid MMO. What's even worse is the fact that, as a direct consequence of this retarded decision, the chances of KOTOR III being produced fall drastically.

There was basically no chance of Bioware producing another KOTOR game anyway. KOTOR 2 wasn't even made by Bioware, it was made by Obsidian Entertainment... bringing you buggy unfinished games that goddammit have great RPG elements.

Basically, Bioware moved on.

I honestly think it was all about money.

Neverwinter Nights -- D&D licensing rights

KOTOR -- Star Wars licensing rights

...to...

Dragon Age -- Bioware owned IP that can be cross-media (books, movies?, etc.)

Mass Effect -- Bioware owned IP that can be cross-media (books, movies?, etc.)

SWTOR -- WoW clone based on the biggest franchise in history to bring in even more moolah!

Pinky_Powers
7th Sep 2010, 15:02
SWTOR -- WoW clone based on the biggest franchise in history to bring in even more moolah!

How is it a WoW clone?

MrFoxter
7th Sep 2010, 15:48
How is it a WoW clone?

I've read that basicaly it plays similar to WoW, if you played WoW that you would know where is what (similar HUD etc.), except that here won't be just quests, but whole stories and bunch of other new features...

EDIT: It is in PC Gamer UK September issue, page 36. You'll find it somewhere :D

Pinky_Powers
7th Sep 2010, 17:30
I've read that basicaly it plays similar to WoW, if you played WoW that you would know where is what (similar HUD etc.), except that here won't be just quests, but whole stories and bunch of other new features...

But without the grind gameplay. From what I've read, leveling-up your character is by far the smallest drive in the game.

The lead designer of this game was also the lead designer of the Baulder's Gate games and the first KotOR. He didn't just work on them, he was singularly responsible for the direction they want in.

The main writer of this game was lead writer for KotOR and ME1&2.

It's a story centric game where choice matters, even more so than in KotOR.

Each of the 8 classes has it's own, 100% separate story that is larger and more customizable than KotOR.
Not to mention, Lightsaber characters (Sith and Jedi) play and handle completely different than a Smuggler, who takes cover and kills with a baster. And a Soldier class, uses a blaster, but doesn't behave like a Smuggler at all. And so on and so forth.

World Quests are shared between classes, but dialog changes, characters react differently, and the general perspective of the quest adapts to your character and Class.

Multiplayer dialog. Meaning, when you are in-Group and you engage an NPC in dialog, all the players in your group will be able to make their own dialog decisions, as though it were a singleplayer RPG that each of them were playing. The NPC reacts to all of you as a group, and as an individual.

Here's what the Lead Designer has to say about The Old Republic vs. World of Warcraft. (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarstheoldrepublic/video/6270912/comic-con-2010-beyond-solo-crafting-the-multiplayer-story-in-star-wars?hd=1)
"The fact that when you get into the game, the characters feel like real characters. They have their own voices and cinematic animations. When you're talking to them it's like your in a movie and a TV show. It's not like you're just reading text or doing FedEx quests. You're actually on an epic Star Wars quest, with real characters and I can't stress how different that makes the game feel. It feels like you're playing a modern-day BioWare RPG... except Online with thousands of other players and much more vast than anything you could possibly imagine."

And also, let's not forget... customizable, upgradable spaceships (http://gamescom.gamespot.com/video/6273952/?hd=1)!!! :cool:

This is as different from WoW as you can get and still have to be an MMORPG.

Pretentious Old Man.
7th Sep 2010, 17:50
If I ever were to go on an MMO, it would be EVE. No doubt. But it would suck up my life.

Pinky_Powers
7th Sep 2010, 18:11
If I ever were to go on an MMO, it would be EVE. No doubt. But it would suck up my life.

Yeah, I know a few people who swear by it. But they swear from the lifeless husk of their formers selves.

luminar
7th Sep 2010, 19:10
I'm on my third playthrough of alpha protocol and am very impressed. Sure it has issue's but it's strengths far outweigth its weaknesses. There are so many way's the story can go based on choices and decisions and even gameplay. This is the only game thats done this so well aside from deus ex that I'm aware of.

Then theres Morrowind. Ohhh boy... (Sigh) I've literally bought and traded in this game around 20 or more times, no kidding! Of course deus ex is on the list. One more... hmmm... Well random but I thoroughly enjoyed bully and would love to see a sequel.

Decho
7th Sep 2010, 19:37
Going on games which I've just played and played, these are the ones:

Mass Effect 1&2 - Finished them and instantly started again, and then again after that, and then again after that...

Halo 3 - I have approximately 1600 hours in-game on Halo 3, and considering how often I've played Team Lobbies it is probably a lot more than that overall. I expect Reach to soak up an equal scary portion of my time.

Dawn of War (apart from Soulstorm) - Played so much skirmish on that game...

Time Splitters Future Perfect - Loads of offline play versus bots

Star Wars: Battlefront II - As TS:FP

Fallout and Fallout 3 (didn't really get on with Fallout 2 as much for some reason) - Played both to death, though with Fallout 3 normally stopped a playthrough about level 12, as it is so much better at lower levels with crappy equipment.

Cronstintein
7th Sep 2010, 20:00
The original civilization had me hooked very effectively. A very deep and interesting game.
Game I'm currently yearning to play is nhl 11 HUT mode since playing the demo. Very addictive! The action of a hockey game plus strategy and number boosting elements of an rpg with card collecting.

WoW takes the cake as the most addictive game ever imho, even though it's not really my cup of tea.

Pinky_Powers
7th Sep 2010, 20:07
I've played Arkham Asylum four times through so far. Mass Effect three times. ME2 only once, but I'm now on my second time with all the new and major DLC. KotOR three times. KotOR 2, twice. I spend a lot of time in Bioshock as well. I really like that game, despite it's flaws. Logged over 160 hours in Oblivion, but never beat it, cause I hated the monotonous Oblivion Gates. Splinter Cell series many times through...

But I've never really been addicted to video games. For instance, my favorite game of all time, Deus Ex, I've only actually played through... something like six times... maybe seven. And that's ten years worth of owning it. I've never played any game as often as I have that, but no reasonable mind could call that addictive behavior.

Cronstintein
7th Sep 2010, 20:18
Ah, love the combat in that latest batman entry. Looking forward to the next one. My best combo was taking out all 20 of joker's goons in party hats w/o getting hit once.

From your list, Pinky, it looks like you're more into story based games. Which by their nature are harder to get drawn into for super long periods of time because the story must eventually end.

Rindill the Red
7th Sep 2010, 20:25
If I ever were to go on an MMO, it would be EVE. No doubt. But it would suck up my life.

I've never liked MMO's, the world is too static (even if you play your own storyline, the world doesn't change because of it); completely ruins immersion for me... and the grinding... oh the grinding is so boring.

I tried EVE but didn't like it, because to really feel like your doing something in the universe it would take way too much time.

TrickyVein
7th Sep 2010, 20:27
^^ Then GTFO. :rasp:

Methinks that if said individual finds himself obsessively thinking about a game, drawing art for it, and engaging in other activities related to finding out more about its universe pretty much all of the time, than said individual may be said to be addicted if not at least preoccupied with a game.

After I finished my first play-through of ME, I spent days going through the online wiki (and then I started a new game immediately thereafter).

I s'pose one may also choose (perhaps more perfunctorily) to define one's addiction by how long one engages in above said habits. I haven't played ME since July, but I'm still playing FO3 after 3 years. I'd like to get into ME again, as well as purchase ME2. But there's this huge, gigantic thing called a university education (and corresponding tuition) that keeps getting in the way.

Frak you, world. I want my escapism.

Pinky_Powers
7th Sep 2010, 20:27
From your list, Pinky, it looks like you're more into story based games. Which by their nature are harder to get drawn into for super long periods of time because the story must eventually end.

It is true. I tend to desire the story aspects, even if they're sidequests and merely talking to interesting characters. It's one of the reasons I'm so excited over Human Revolution. There promises to be lots of that. I only hope the quality of the characters you interact with will be decent.

TrickyVein
7th Sep 2010, 20:32
The "GTFO" was for Powers's Pink hide, BTW.

I'm just saying, because I think I'm special and that other people care about what I have to say, that story games as well are primarily what "draw me in," and that yes, the ending is always bitter-sweet for me. Always has been. I get very much involved with a character/role playing and then it ends, and even if it's on a high note, I become depressed.

Pinky_Powers
7th Sep 2010, 20:44
^... I had a feeling it might've been aimed at me.

MrFoxter
7th Sep 2010, 20:59
If I ever were to go on an MMO, it would be EVE. No doubt. But it would suck up my life.

My words. If I just imagine how many hours I would waste improving my spaceship, I'd better write my own game instead.

TrickyVein
7th Sep 2010, 22:17
Just be aware not to miss any of white bricks. Saves a lot of troubles. Also, try to pick up 3 apples from the tree in the backyard behind that room with TNT. After third apple, I truly ROFL'ed around for a while :D

Believe you me, never, never again will I do that (picking those apples).

pringlepower
7th Sep 2010, 22:54
There was basically no chance of Bioware producing another KOTOR game anyway. KOTOR 2 wasn't even made by Bioware, it was made by Obsidian Entertainment... bringing you buggy unfinished games that goddammit have great RPG elements.

Basically, Bioware moved on.
...to...

Dragon Age -- Bioware owned IP that can be cross-media (books, movies?, etc.)

Mass Effect -- Bioware owned IP that can be cross-media (books, movies?, etc.)

SWTOR -- WoW clone based on the biggest franchise in history to bring in even more moolah!

Money's great and all, and yes they're making a killing off ME and DA, but you can't completely blame them. If you're an experienced studio that has spent your entire history making games based on other peoples' work, there's nothing wrong with wanting to go out and make your own universes and backstories, and do something completely new (keeping licensing rights for $$$ is nice too).

RandomJunkie
7th Sep 2010, 23:12
Morrowind was a hume time sucker for me.

While I absolutely hated the ending, I did play a lot to Fallout 3.

No one mentionned it. I'm a huge Shenmue fan.

Pretty much anything made by Bioware.

I might re-do Bloodlines soon as Malkavian. That game had some really, really great moments.

Of course Half-Life 1 and 2.

I did 6 full seasons of Grand Prix 2 (with practice sessions, qualifications, race). I spent a lot of time on other racing games (Project Gotham Racing, Grid, Forza Motorsport etc...)

I bought every NHL from 93-06, then I stopped because I got tired of it.

The only MMO that really, really got me playing a lot is World War II Online. It recreates the Blitzkrieg in one huge map, which includes Belgium, Northern France, parts of Netherlands, Germany and England. The really cool part is that a lot of serious players are ex-army guys who take this thing really seriously, and are very good at it.

I'm still playing SubSpace (Continuum), a free mmo that was released in the mid-90s. It's a 2 dimensional space combat game.


As of right now I'm playing.....Deus Ex Invisible War :P

JackShandy
9th Sep 2010, 03:41
I'm finding myself pulled deeper and deeper into these ridiculously complicated, deep strategy games. Yesterday, Armageddon Empires (http://www.crypticcomet.com/). Today, Acedemagia. (http://www.academagia.com/) Tomorrow... Dwarf Fortress? I don't know if I could ever be THAT hardcore.

Fluffis
9th Sep 2010, 09:26
I'm a complete sucker for those kinds of games that start out "simple" and then pull you into large and elaborate plots and conspiracies. Broken Sword, The Longest Journey, Deus Ex... That kind of thing. Counting their respective sequels, there is no telling How much time I've sunk into those.

I also got suckered into WoW. Several hundreds of hours wasted. Got out of that, though.

Sotsiak
9th Sep 2010, 10:01
I was addicted with WoW for some time, but then I got bored. Seriously though (except DX), my favorite and much addictive game is the masterpiece Sacrifice.

Yeah... masterpiece!

So terrifying, difficult, humorous, scary, oh very scary.

Or maybe it is my nostalgia..

http://www.futuregamez.net/special/shiny/sacrific1.jpg

http://i.d.com.com/i/dl/media/dlimage/88/48/2/88482_large.jpeg


EDIT: I was also addicted with Lionheart: Legacy of the Crusader and Trackmania Nations.

Angel-A
9th Sep 2010, 23:42
The only game I can say I was ever addicted to was a game called Starsiege. Ah, yes... (I'm not the only one; this game is 11+ years old and very little known and there's still a small pool of people who have yet to quit :eek:)
http://pcmedia.ign.com/media/reviews/image/starsiege017_640w.jpg
So, for about a year, I would play pretty much every chance I got. The day I discovered that it still had servers despite it's advanced age, hoo-boy, I played for hours on end...
Hmm, I definitely stayed up late often or neglected eat food just to goof around on it. The only time I really took a break from playing was for one month because certain players were non-stop jerkasses the whole time I'd been around. :mad2: I basically quit playing at all when my gaming comp died. Haven't been able to work up enough motivation (lol, jerkasses) to get on with any consistancy, now.

Coyotegrey
10th Sep 2010, 14:01
Just a few off the top of my head. I tried not to go TOO far back, partially because I don't know if I played some games when I was a kid because I was "addicted," or if I had nothing else to do, and just wanted to spend as much time playing games as possible. There's no way I enjoyed fishing games that much...right?

http://www.morrowind-oblivion.com/images/morrowind_complete_map_icon.jpg
http://philipphacker1.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/the-witcher-20050519014751713-000.jpg
http://unicornparty.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/img_100425.jpg
http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/street_fighter_4_video_game_image_blanka__1_.jpg
http://images.macworld.com/images/legacy/2006/07/images/content/civ4screen_rev.jpg
http://gogaminggiant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/dawn-of-war-ii.jpg
http://giantenemyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/11131.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/32683120.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1284127930&Signature=MDiBZIlwOEB9YFvwTwvr%2BoOQktA%3D(that's my character)

And absolutely this, its sequel, and all the mods.
http://cache.kotaku.com/gaming/half_life.jpg

Where's Deus Ex and its sequel? I feel like a tool putting them here. But it should go without saying.

hem dazon 90
10th Sep 2010, 15:14
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RoHtpYxrxWI/ReBJmef2F8I/AAAAAAAABAQ/3xJ6IEGDPu0/s400/9.jpg

make a blaxploitation crime game about him and i will never stop playing

Cronstintein
10th Sep 2010, 19:16
I haven't seen it mentioned yet so: civilization. The original. Wish I had a screenshot cuz it's oh so ugly :D
Spent many a late nights in junior high on that one.

AxiomaticBadger
10th Sep 2010, 20:40
The Old Republic gives me A New Hope.
I got the special edition of WoW when it first came out, simply because I was a sucker for the setting. I played it every day for a couple of years. And then, all at once, I realised I was bored.
There was no real progression: You'd kill skeletons for 10 hours, level up, get new kit, and go and kill more skeletons. There was no point to it... every activity in the game is based around repeating the same action again and again.
And then Bioware goes and announces ToR, with actual stories. I may be doomed.

Tried eve, had fun, lost everything when I bought a new ship, went through a gate, had conlos, and relogged just in time to see myself get reduced to slag.

I lost several months of my life to Baldurs Gate 2 (it even got to the point were I was trying to quicksave before taking exams. Very wierd feeling.)

Otherwise ME, ME2, Dragons Age, realMYST (prettiest game ever), The Witcher, the C&Cs, Kotor, Kotor 2, the Xs, DoW, DoW2 and Vampire the Masquerade.

It's a good thing I don't like multiplayer games. I'd never see daylight again.

-Edit-
Ooooh, forgot. Portal!

Pretentious Old Man.
11th Sep 2010, 10:12
Y6ljFaKRTrI

Pinky_Powers
11th Sep 2010, 16:49
^... a thousand times yes! :thumb:

Hammich
13th Sep 2010, 09:35
Concur with the above mention of Half-Life, It's sequels and the endless wealth of mods.

Endless playthroughs of DIABLO I & II sucked up my early teen years like a sponge, though the first game to result in obsessive amounts of screentime was
http://ui13.gamespot.com/588/miwally_2.jpg

Coyotegrey
13th Sep 2010, 12:48
http://zap-file.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/King-Arthur-The-Roleplaying-Wargame-RELOADED1.jpg

I couldn't put this down all weekend. Maybe I'm just a sucker for micro-management and Total War-style games, but I think this is done really well. This was my face when I got to a text-based adventure with one of my heroes: O_O. Very cool stuff.

Rindill the Red
13th Sep 2010, 18:03
My new addiction: Company of Heroes: Online. The open beta just started and it's a very interesting strategy game.
http://www.gameogre.com/reviewdirectory/upload/Company%20of%20Heroes.jpg

Coyotegrey
13th Sep 2010, 18:19
I can't WAIT to play Company of Heroes online. I'm a big fan of the originals (is that how we refer to them now?). I get the internet on Thursday! Woo!

MrFoxter
13th Sep 2010, 18:36
Sorry guys for bringing bad news, but you probably haven't heard of this yet... Brian R. Wood, lead designer of CoH, was killed in car accident last week. Very sad. :hmm:

Link (Kotaku) (http://kotaku.com/5630790/company-of-heroes-developer-killed-in-car-accident)

Coyotegrey
13th Sep 2010, 19:00
Sorry guys for bringing bad news, but you probably haven't heard of this yet... Brian R. Wood, lead designer of CoH, was killed in car accident last week. Very sad. :hmm:

Link (Kotaku) (http://kotaku.com/5630790/company-of-heroes-developer-killed-in-car-accident)

Yeah (http://twitter.com/Coyotegrey/status/24400030554). :( Such a terrible thing to happen.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
13th Sep 2010, 19:38
I'm a fan of CoH too. Alas, very sad news though.
R.I.P., Mr Brian R Wood.

Tverdyj
15th Sep 2010, 20:39
I am currently addicted to the Witcher, on my second playthrough.

It's tame, sorta. I get my schoolwork done, still, but I spend a lot of time playing. hours tend to blur.

I must add tetris to the list. at least untill I got my Windows 7. my good old old-school Tetris for Windows, with the original credits by its Muscovite developers did not survive the transplant to a 64 bit OS, :(

in the past, I loved Warcraft 2,l when I first got my 11 year old hands on it (back in '99).

aside from that, don't think there's been an actual addiction (aside from DX), though I the amount of time i've spent looking at blank loading screens trying to run Bloodlines on my old, old laptop would be considered a form of masochism in some countries, probably.

AlexOfSpades
16th Sep 2010, 12:02
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_L1znXUxJaOw/Rs1znvdPS3I/AAAAAAAABRE/VdDEkMqnf78/s320/One%2BMust%2BFall%2B20971.png

One Must Fall.

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/620/620454/darkstalkers-20050531090514008_640w.jpg

Darkstalkers

http://mycheats.1up.com/view/imageraw/66543/fight_.jpg

Devil May Cry IV

http://www.tweakguides.com/images/UT3_11.jpg

Unreal Tournament III
(I have JC Denton model as character there!)

Anu
30th Sep 2010, 19:14
For me, first was The Longest Journey. Point´n ´click classic, IMO; the story provided the first good impression of immersion that I had in a game. Still dust it off occasionally even nowdays.

Myst. And the continuations. To some degree.

Hitman series. Have the OST from Contracts and Blood Money for when I have long enough to drive. (Not to say I don´t play the old love occasionally:D )

Mass Effect, both ones (because, having not played too many games, I´m not so taken by the different wiews on the franchise and the directions it takes). Wonder how they implement the third though. God, it´s grownig on me:rolleyes:. Good thing was, I didn´t expect much from it. So it struck in a positive way.

And Deus Ex. Drove to the other side of my little country to find the bloody shop that still had one copy (wasn´t the internet-is-an-everyday-thing time). And in my opinion, all the more sweet it was. The sequel was... well, it was. A game that was made. Have to agree with some opinions here, minus the ´Deus Ex´ in the title, it would have been a not-so-bad experience in itself. Strangely enough, the soundtrack has kept with me for that long. The music somehow still has the feeling to me, though not so much when ingame.

Corpus
30th Sep 2010, 19:23
http://likegames.net/images/covers/stalker_call_of_pripyat.jpg
Continue to play it to this day. 2 years until the next game comes, and thats a damn good thing.

Blade_hunter
30th Sep 2010, 19:53
The only game I can say I was ever addicted to was a game called Starsiege. Ah, yes... (I'm not the only one; this game is 11+ years old and very little known and there's still a small pool of people who have yet to quit :eek:)
http://pcmedia.ign.com/media/reviews/image/starsiege017_640w.jpg
So, for about a year, I would play pretty much every chance I got. The day I discovered that it still had servers despite it's advanced age, hoo-boy, I played for hours on end...
Hmm, I definitely stayed up late often or neglected eat food just to goof around on it. The only time I really took a break from playing was for one month because certain players were non-stop jerkasses the whole time I'd been around. :mad2: I basically quit playing at all when my gaming comp died. Haven't been able to work up enough motivation (lol, jerkasses) to get on with any consistancy, now.

Hey I have this game, I have mechwarrior too and even earth siege 2, i think I'm one of those rare geeks to play mecha simulators and space shooters.

Facebyface
30th Sep 2010, 20:04
Diablo 2, WoW (shut up), the Source engine period, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Knights of the Old Republic, Ratchet and Clank (1 and 3), Zelda series, and Sonic Adventure 2.

TrickyVein
30th Sep 2010, 20:50
[IMG]
Unreal Tournament III
(I have JC Denton model as character there!)

Wait - you don't mean to say that you're claiming authorship of the model, are you? Is this (http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=715355) yours? I know this model. Never downloaded it myself (gotta love those Xeno-fem bots instead (http://img216.imageshack.us/f/xeno.jpg/)).

neoWilks
30th Sep 2010, 20:58
http://likegames.net/images/covers/stalker_call_of_pripyat.jpg
Continue to play it to this day. 2 years until the next game comes, and thats a damn good thing.
Absolutely agree! I've been trying to play Call of Pripyat, but the game will not start. Pops up in my process list, but nothing ever happens. :( None of the suggested fixes have helped.

Hopefully with the sequel, and some more deserved exposure, we'll see less bugs like this in the future. They really are the only downside to the series.

Coyotegrey
30th Sep 2010, 21:34
Has anyone tried this? I've been meaning to...

http://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-complete-2009

Mindmute
30th Sep 2010, 21:53
Has anyone tried this? I've been meaning to...

http://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-complete-2009

I have. It further improved the ambience by leaps and bounds for me, I don't think I'll ever play Stalker without it now.


It also has an addon you can apply for more realistic gunfights (for those people who complain that the combat in Stalker is awkward at times), but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone during their first playthrough or at any difficulty except Master.

AlexOfSpades
30th Sep 2010, 22:20
Wait - you don't mean to say that you're claiming authorship of the model, are you? Is this (http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=715355) yours? I know this model. Never downloaded it myself (gotta love those Xeno-fem bots instead (http://img216.imageshack.us/f/xeno.jpg/)).

Wow, wow, no i'm not, i'm very sorry, english isnt my mother language. ):

I'm not the author

TrickyVein
30th Sep 2010, 22:44
I envied you for a bit there.

Making models is hard. Hard work indeed. I started one a while back, but have since re-adjusted my priorities. It was going to be a slig from Oddworld. Finished the model, textures, and rigging. But the editor is a real puja to work with.

SquidPirate
30th Sep 2010, 23:54
I highly suggest you pick up Hitman 2: Silent Assassin.

The original Hitman was good, but now-a-days is very dated; still worth a playthrough though if you find yourself with little else to do.

However, it was Hitman 2: Silent Assassin that really defined the series; and it's levels and storyline are still the best of the franchise IMO, definitely worth picking up. I found Hitman: Contracts to be a relatively sub-par Hitman experience, while Blood Money was awesome purely for the inclusion of "accidental" death scenarios; and if anyone assumes that violent videogames aren't bad for children; I can tell you that since playing my mind has automatically found itself thinking of ways to kill people I hate using undetectable methods like falling chandeliers and exploding grills.

Also: just beautiful: The Music by Jesper Kyd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZzK_mI3WvA)



You said it. Hitman 2 has an incredible musical score, complete with cultural motifs and tense changeovers when things get exciting. It's my favorite of that series... though special kudos must go to the noir classic that is Contracts. That was the product of a very inspired art team.

As far as the OP's query... I'll limit this to just more recent games, since my history goes back to Asteroids and Swashbuckler...

Deus Ex - I play it once a year, as realistic as possible. Absolutely love the world and mythos they've created.

Fallout 3 - Immersive and chilling. When I first emerged from the vault at night and waited, confused and uncertain in the darkness, and then watched the sunrise break over a shattered world.... Wow.

Mass Effect 1 and 2 - Not since DX has any game had that spell on me.

Metal Gear Solid - Enough said.


Honorable mention goes to Cold Winter. At a glance it's really nothing special, but the storyline and cut scenes were so masterfully done that I was entirely sucked in. The writing (by Warren Ellis) is just outstanding.

FrankCSIS
1st Oct 2010, 00:54
Fallout 3 - Immersive and chilling. When I first emerged from the vault at night and waited, confused and uncertain in the darkness, and then watched the sunrise break over a shattered world.... Wow.

I'd say it's a game that pulls you in early on, but fails to keep you. The vault, and the emergence, is the only section which is both contained and scripted, with no alternatives and a fixed timeline of events, and it's also the only portion of the game which is nearly unanimously regarded as very a griping portion of storytelling, and a very interesting start. I'd say in fact that it's far better than the dreading dungeon experience of the first two games' intro. But my oh my does it fall apart once you gain full access to the sandbox.

Interestingly, the only other truly well developped portion of the game is the self-contained 50's neighbourhood level taking place within the geck simulation, very akin to Oblivion's painting sidequest. Those levels were very Deus Ex ish in structure, in the sense that while physically restricted, they offered possibilities. Contrary to the rest of the FO3's structure, which was deconstructed to a point of rendering interesting storytelling entirely impossible.

singularity
1st Oct 2010, 01:41
Tom Clancy titles did a number on me once upon a time. Rainbow Six, and Rogue Spear, the original Ghost Recon and Splinter Cell all held my attention and had me thinking about them for years on end. Still play them.

Deus Ex obviously sucked up an unhealthy chunk of my time, but so did the Hitman series (started at 2 -- went to contracts, then #1, then blood money...).

I think that Max Payne 2 hold my personal record for number of times completely beaten (somewhere around 7). Also, the Silent Hill and Resident Evil series hold me like a disease... I get sucked in and don't let go for a while.

More recently, Mass Effect 1 and 2 have found constant rotation in my console, along with Halo Reach.

Modern Warfare 2 and Rock Band 2 all have signifiacnt hours dumped into them because they are the party games of choice in this house... and they go well with beer.

Tverdyj
1st Oct 2010, 01:51
I recently installed Soul Reaver 1 back on my laptop

whilst not exactly the same type of "immersive", those games can also pull you in....the explorabilty, the basic control scheme, the haunting music....

Corpus
1st Oct 2010, 11:09
I recently installed Soul Reaver 1 back on my laptop

whilst not exactly the same type of "immersive", those games can also pull you in....the explorabilty, the basic control scheme, the haunting music....

Fantastic series, shame defiance felt a bit clunky gameplay-wise. Soul Reaver 1 will always be my favourite :) Well written story all by one woman too.

Kvltism
1st Oct 2010, 12:11
In total agreement with Blade Runner, Diablo, Hidden & Dangerous, Baldur's Gate, System Shock 2, Grim Fandango, Thief, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines, Civilization, Planescape: Torment and Morrowind. I've frittered away countless hours on each game.

Other titles that have been addictive include: Discworld series, Final Fantasy series, Star Ocean: Till the End of Time, Phantasy Star II, Flashback, Veil of Darkness, Resident Evil series (particularly 2&3), Splinter Cell 1-2, Road Rash, Zork: Grand Inquisitor, Bloodnet, Dragon Quest (mainly 3-5), Rainbow Six, Lufia 2, MDK, Fallout 1-2, Operation Flashpoint, Parasite Eve, Chrono Trigger and the Xenosaga series. All this tells me is that I have spent far too much time playing video games, hahaha.

AlexOfSpades
1st Oct 2010, 12:14
ROAD RASH!

*Air guitar in the theme song*

Holy crepe that game was awesome

Tverdyj
1st Oct 2010, 19:06
Fantastic series, shame defiance felt a bit clunky gameplay-wise. Soul Reaver 1 will always be my favourite :) Well written story all by one woman too.

best story ever--Blood Omen 1.

Defiance had nice combat, but way too many annoying jumps, and way too repetitive of a scenery.

Red
2nd Oct 2010, 01:36
But the cut scenes, and all of the story-wise content is rightout worthy of being translated into a movie, or even better - a stage play (drama).

Tverdyj
2nd Oct 2010, 17:54
Very true, i loved how they finally got around to implement a feature that would let you just load up any one of the important cutscenes.... unlike SR2, that would do the same thing but just give you dialogue....

Corpus
2nd Oct 2010, 19:38
best story ever--Blood Omen 1.

Defiance had nice combat, but way too many annoying jumps, and way too repetitive of a scenery.

How did you feel about the ending? The writer did tie up any loose ends afterwards on the forums but I thought it was a little depressing even for the series. Especially since they left a lot out.

Kodaemon
2nd Oct 2010, 19:52
Depressing? It was probably the most hopeful ending in the series!

BO1 had Kain either kill himself for the greater good or bring ruin to Nosgoth (of course, the later games proved it wasn't even that simple), SR1 had Kain escape and Raziel in the hands of Moebius the manipulator, SR2 ended with Kain terrified at the mysterious threat of the Hylden, BO2... can't remember right now, but I think it had the Sarafan Lord threatening to return.

Defiance had Raziel fulfill his true purpose, and Kain realize the existence of the Elder God, and hinted the latter may finally be defeated. "Hope..." Of course, Kain calls it a "bitter illusion", but that's Kain for you, ever the cynic.

Corpus
2nd Oct 2010, 19:57
Depressing? It was probably the most hopeful ending in the series!

BO1 had Kain either kill himself for the greater good or bring ruin to Nosgoth (of course, the later games proved it wasn't even that simple), SR1 had Kain escape and Raziel in the hands of Moebius the manipulator, SR2 ended with Kain terrified at the mysterious threat of the Hylden, BO2... can't remember right now, but I think it had the Sarafan Lord threatening to return.

Defiance had Raziel fulfill his true purpose, and Kain realize the existence of the Elder God, and hinted the latter may finally be defeated. "Hope..." Of course, Kain calls it a "bitter illusion", but that's Kain for you, ever the cynic.

I understand it being hopeful but Kane is fighting something that is essentially an architect of Nozgoth and can control anyone there. he turned the entire world against Kane and could just continue to do it. Now that Raziel is gone Kane is essentially alone, the only one left who can perceive the truth.

Oh god what is wrong with these spoiler tags.

Kodaemon
2nd Oct 2010, 20:14
Raziel's spirit still powers the Reaver, which hopefully allows Kain to successfully beat the Elder God. Also the way I see it, the EG is not actually the true god of the setting, but some sort of parasitic entity that has enslaved the land but is actually alien to Nosgoth.

Also, you asked for some explanations from the writers, here are some very nice Q&As:

http://thelostworlds.net/Defiance/Question_and_Answer_with_Amy_Hennig.html
http://thelostworlds.net/Defiance/Question_and_Answer_with_Jen_Richard_and_Kyle.html