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luminar
14th Aug 2010, 15:24
Is HR going to be a dating simulator, are they going to have more prominent female characters, can you flirt with women to get info from them, are women running the world? What's with the idea that women will play a larger role in the game? Speculations, elaborations, discussions all are welcome.

Sirviani
14th Aug 2010, 16:09
Go watch a porn movie.

Corpus
14th Aug 2010, 16:10
I think EM are going to treat them as they would any other character and IMO other developers should be looking this way to see how its done.

I hope they don't make Megan into a generic girl with a brain who doesn't use it in situations outside a lab. I hope shes going to be more like Ilona Tastuiev from Renaissance. Shes got brains and although not physically strong or the combative type she knows how to talk and deceive people.

luminar
14th Aug 2010, 16:17
Go watch a porn movie.

Way to contribute!

ThePrecursor
14th Aug 2010, 17:12
"Womens"? Seriously?

luminar
14th Aug 2010, 17:14
"Womens"? Seriously?

Yes women's. They make me uncomfortable so giving them a funny nickname makes it easier to talk about them.

Jerion
14th Aug 2010, 17:40
This a conspiracy adventure game, not a dating simulator (The hell? Why would that even come into play?). I don't care if AJ has an existing romantic relationship, as that makes him more interesting. I just see no need to build up a virtual one over the course of the game.


Yes women's. They make me uncomfortable so giving them a funny nickname makes it easier to talk about them.

http://forum.bacsi.com/images/smilies/skype/wondering.gif

luminar
14th Aug 2010, 17:48
This a conspiracy adventure game, not a dating simulator (The hell? Why would that even come into play?). I don't care if AJ has an existing romantic relationship, as that makes him more interesting. I just see no need to build up a virtual one over the course of the game.



http://forum.bacsi.com/images/smilies/skype/wondering.gif

I think people are misunderstanding, I want people opinions on what they think the new role for women is going to be. Those were merely examples albeit exaggerated ones.

scottith
14th Aug 2010, 19:05
whats ur problem with women ? theres just as good as men, u would want to walk to city and see men all around would u? 9 or would you? eh eh) its just to add relisem bah bha blah

K^2
14th Aug 2010, 20:01
Look on the bright side. He's not likely to reproduce.

Angel-A
14th Aug 2010, 21:42
Is HR going to be a dating simulator
This is the single most faceplaming line of text I have ever read in this forum from the single worst post ever to have been posted in the single worst thread to have unfortunately seen the light of day.

xsamitt
14th Aug 2010, 21:52
This is the single most faceplaming line of text I have ever read in this forum from the single worst post ever to have been posted in the single worst thread to have unfortunately seen the light of day.

Agreed.

luminar
14th Aug 2010, 23:00
Sarcasm my friends. That first line, was sarcasm. Again your missing the point. I know deus ex human revolution is not going to be a dating sim and I dont have anything against women. I merely wonder what the expanded role of women is going to be seeing as they mentioned that women will play a larger role. Is this going to be limited to just having more female characters or will women be key players in certain events or will it be something else?

Corpus
14th Aug 2010, 23:07
Sarcasm my friends. That first line, was sarcasm. Again your missing the point. I know deus ex human revolution is not going to be a dating sim and I dont have anything against women. I merely wonder what the expanded role of women is going to be seeing as they mentioned that women will play a larger role. Is this going to be limited to just having more female characters or will women be key players in certain events or will it be something else?

From what I'm seeing so far they've got diversity nailed down really well. Everyone is an equal pawn of equal value.

luminar
14th Aug 2010, 23:12
From what I'm seeing so far they've got diversity nailed down really well. Everyone is an equal pawn of equal value.

Really? Theres only two female characters I know of. Am I missing one?

Corpus
14th Aug 2010, 23:15
Really? Theres only two female characters I know of. Am I missing one?

They've said more to come/be expected. Malek, Eliza and the augmented chick makes 3 already.

luminar
14th Aug 2010, 23:19
Eliza being the scientist right? Ah yes I forgot about the lady with cloaking. Possibly anna navvare?

Corpus
14th Aug 2010, 23:20
Eliza being the scientist right? Ah yes I forgot about the lady with cloaking. Possibly anna navvare?

Eliza is the news cast girl. Malek is the pilot. Megan is the scientist and the Aug girl so its 4 not 3 actually. The aug girl is NOT Anna, Anna has human shaped legs in DX this Aug girl has stilts.

luminar
14th Aug 2010, 23:24
True but they've shown a willingness to change the aesthetic of tech, so it's not to huge a jump to say they'll change character appearances.

Corpus
14th Aug 2010, 23:27
True but they've shown a willingness to change the aesthetic of tech, so it's not to huge a jump to say they'll change character appearances.

Going from stilts to humanoid legs is brash, even for a last generation mech.

Not all of Anna was augmented and from what we can see this other character has a lot. Be honest, would Anna survive an encounter with Adam?

Spyhopping
14th Aug 2010, 23:28
Don't forget distressed chick. Or is that Megan? Don't remember reading that name before in relation to HR.

Bar any female boss fights, probably all of the grunts/troopers/guards Adam kills in this game are going to be male. Don't really know what my point was with that, I'm sure I had one when I started writing. Something to do with it maybe being more difficult to kill a woman in game, and that they will probably be more manipulative because of that.

Corpus
14th Aug 2010, 23:38
Don't forget distressed chick. Or is that Megan? Don't remember reading that name before in relation to HR.

Bar any female boss fights, probably all of the grunts/troopers/guards Adam kills in this game are going to be male. Don't really know what my point was with that, I'm sure I had one when I started writing. Something to do with it maybe being more difficult to kill a woman in game, and that they will probably be more manipulative because of that.

Man or woman they'll kill you just the same and you'll have to kill them. ME2 did good at diversity not just among the different races but the genders too.

Megan is the scientist.

luminar
14th Aug 2010, 23:54
Going from stilts to humanoid legs is brash, even for a last generation mech.

Not all of Anna was augmented and from what we can see this other character has a lot. Be honest, would Anna survive an encounter with Adam?

Right nix my earlier comment.

pringlepower
15th Aug 2010, 00:05
Going from stilts to humanoid legs is brash, even for a last generation mech.

Not all of Anna was augmented and from what we can see this other character has a lot. Be honest, would Anna survive an encounter with Adam?

I wouldn't mind a complete retcon of mech augs. They looked awful in DX

Corpus
15th Aug 2010, 00:30
I wouldn't mind a complete retcon of mech augs. They looked awful in DX

I assume this is because of:

A:
The great depression, not even the government could afford better stuff

B:
DX1 has different generation augs that are more about being practical than being socially acceptable. Either Anna or Gunther talk about giving up their social lives so that they could fully apply themselves to the mission, increasing their chances of success.

C:
The riots and the outcry against augs was so big it crushed the industry. Maybe an event that occurs in DX:HR will cause this, maybe Adam will decide how augmentations are going to be accepted by the public.

pringlepower
15th Aug 2010, 00:40
I assume this is because of:

A:
The great depression, not even the government could afford better stuff

B:
DX1 has different generation augs that are more about being practical than being socially acceptable. Either Anna or Gunther talk about giving up their social lives so that they could fully apply themselves to the mission, increasing their chances of success.

C:
The riots and the outcry against augs was so big it crushed the industry. Maybe an event that occurs in DX:HR will cause this, maybe Adam will decide how augmentations are going to be accepted by the public.

They weren't practical either. They're more or less rods and wires shoved into the muscle. It would've made much more sense to cut the arm off and replace it with Barrett's thing. Ion Storm went with looking scary instead of making sense with the mechs, since they were an afterthought compared to the infinite power of nano-augmentation anyways.

Invictus Sol
15th Aug 2010, 00:52
I'm just hoping that they get the balance right and that so-called "boss fights" are actually challenging. All the bosses in DX (Anna, Gunther and Simons) were severely underpowered and didn't use what abilities that had effectively. There is no way one should be able to GEP Simons, for example. That was one of the things in DX that really annoyed me.

Corpus
15th Aug 2010, 00:56
I'm just hoping that they get the balance right and that so-called "boss fights" are actually challenging. All the bosses in DX (Anna, Gunther and Simons) were severely underpowered and didn't use what abilities that had effectively. There is no way one should be able to GEP Simons, for example. That was one of the things in DX that really annoyed me.

Tech limitations. Plus the combat wasn't a primary focus (if it was then, ick).

Jerion
15th Aug 2010, 01:02
There is no way one should be able to GEP Simons, for example. That was one of the things in DX that really annoyed me.

That did make that particular fight seem cheap, but it was a by-product of pairing the "right tool for the job" idea with the multiple solutions style. Simons couldn't be touched by tranqs or flame, but ADS, explosions and melee could take him out.

Angel-A
15th Aug 2010, 01:37
Sarcasm my friends. That first line, was sarcasm.
Mmhm, no one would see that considering that it's common practice to put the sarcastic/jokey line at the end... It comes distinctly after the serious stuff which is the actual subject you wish to address (and if you put it first you'd be best to at least indicate it with a "Haha but seriously", or somethin').


Wrong: that is how you are doing it.

rokstrombo
15th Aug 2010, 10:19
luminar it seems your sarcastic flair has gone unappreciated! Perhaps this is because of your utterly stupid suggestion that Deus Ex: HR could be a dating simulator. It's clearly a first person shooter. Don't be daft! :D

Nyysjan
15th Aug 2010, 11:53
luminar it seems your sarcastic flair has gone unappreciated! Perhaps this is because of your utterly stupid suggestion that Deus Ex: HR could be a dating simulator. It's clearly a first person shooter. Don't be daft! :D

depressingly, i'd probably be positively surprised if it was a dating sim instead of a fps. :mad2:

DeusWhatever
15th Aug 2010, 12:18
So how about starting a family in DX? (needless to say after the DX-ingame-wedding) :lol:

Sotsiak
15th Aug 2010, 14:06
Boobs sell, that's why there are women in the game. Same with IW which had many chicks in high positions.

hem dazon 90
15th Aug 2010, 14:12
Boobs sell, that's why there are women in the game. Same with IW which had many chicks in high positions.

Wait so the only reason women are in any stories are because sex sells ?


Dude what are you, Greek ?

mr_cyberpunk
15th Aug 2010, 15:11
To be fair Alpha Protocol I felt benefitted from this feature.. and that's really where the benefits stopped. If Deus Ex 3 wants to do it in a challenging way, that's how I'd do it because depending on who you romanced actually impacted on the story as a whole in a very non-linear way I might add.

Shame the game itself is incomplete and buggy.

Sotsiak
15th Aug 2010, 17:00
Wait so the only reason women are in any stories are because sex sells ?


Dude what are you, Greek ?

Yes.

P.S. Boobs sell.

mad825
15th Aug 2010, 17:35
Yes.

P.S. Boobs sell.

I disagree.

killing people randomly sells than sexual content, "boobs".

the main problem by adding romance into a game is that it's considered more as a taboo in the gaming industry and not only that it most likely make story if added, seem like rather lame, pumping it full with clichés which most don't appreciate besides the cinematic/cut scenes are done very poorly no matter the developer.

Killing people (randomly) on the other hand is rather a unique feature even though it very common in today's games as many gamers like to relive their frustrations on killing innocent NPCs which has been shown in GTA (series),Fable and in the TES morrowind + oblivion/Fallout 3 than beating the *cough*

KSingh77
15th Aug 2010, 18:48
I would like to see one of the women Adam meets fight along side him,maybe Malik's aircraft could come in handy like firing missiles at the enemy.

Jerion
15th Aug 2010, 19:14
No, he's right. When it comes to the "under 24" demographic, particularly the "under 20" demographic, boobs sell in a lot of mediums. Don't confuse pure sex appeal with romance. When it comes to marketing they are very different.

That said...it's a very lonely demographic that actually goes for polygonal, rendered boobs. :hmm:

xsamitt
15th Aug 2010, 20:08
Wait so the only reason women are in any stories are because sex sells ?


Dude what are you, Greek ?

This man is for sure.Please don't all thank me at once,you may overload the servers.;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYCaoNOYxmU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-PIOoHEV2Y&feature=related

MaxxQ1
15th Aug 2010, 22:49
I wouldn't mind a complete retcon of mech augs. They looked awful in DX

Pretty much *everything* in DX looked awful. :D

Zokk
16th Aug 2010, 01:26
Well, if they're following the cyberpunk aesthetic like they are now, we're looking at at least one or two razor girls (think Molly from Neuromancer and Trinity from The Matrix) as major characters, I'm guessing.

luminar
16th Aug 2010, 02:11
Mmhm, no one would see that considering that it's common practice to put the sarcastic/jokey line at the end... It comes distinctly after the serious stuff which is the actual subject you wish to address (and if you put it first you'd be best to at least indicate it with a "Haha but seriously", or somethin').


Wrong: that is how you are doing it.

Really? I didn't know there were rules for sarcasm! I guess I learned a different dialect of sarcasm. That and I assumed it was fairly obvious since the suggestion was fairly ridiculuos, although yakuza included a similar feature and it was an action fighting game.

Pretentious Old Man.
16th Aug 2010, 21:29
People have too much of a downer on DX. It doesn't look that bad. For a 2000 game, I always thought the environments looked excellent. I always felt that the levels of interactivity with objects neutered the graphical imperfections.

luminar
16th Aug 2010, 21:59
People have too much of a downer on DX. It doesn't look that bad. For a 2000 game, I always thought the environments looked excellent. I always felt that the levels of interactivity with objects neutered the graphical imperfections.

Agreed. epic gameplay and characters trumps graphics anyday!

Angel-A
16th Aug 2010, 22:19
I agree, DX's graphics are not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. They're not current, obviously, but it's not like it's 8-bit resolution. To be honest, when playing the only thing that actively bothers me in that regard is how nobody has ears. All there are are some flat textures against their heads! So weird looking. :/



Really? I didn't know there were rules for sarcasm!
Yes, actually.


They're called things like "Sentence Structure" and "Most Likely Interpretation" and "Grammar"...

xsamitt
17th Aug 2010, 00:14
Agreed. epic gameplay and characters trumps graphics anyday!

Absolutely correct......And the prof is that even after 10 years there are many people out there,myself included who just can't forget the first time we played as J.C Denton,and the wonderful music and all the options we had.

Fluffis
17th Aug 2010, 01:05
I agree, DX's graphics are not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. They're not current, obviously, but it's not like it's 8-bit resolution.


Tell me you did not just diss 8-bit graphics... http://i.imdb.com/Photos/CMSIcons/emoticons/angry/angry7.gif

Jerion
17th Aug 2010, 01:11
DX's graphics are crap compared to what we have today. The sheer amount of interactivity makes up for it though. :)

pringlepower
17th Aug 2010, 01:15
DX's graphics are crap compared to what we have today. The sheer amount of interactivity makes up for it though. :)

I threw a potted fern at an NSF terrorist. It did not go well.

Fluffis
17th Aug 2010, 01:53
DX's graphics are crap compared to what we have today. The sheer amount of interactivity makes up for it though. :)

DX's graphics were not exactly state-of-the-art when it came out either but they were not crap, nor are they now; they are functional. (I.e., when you look at something you can see clearly what it is supposed to be.) That's all a game really needs, isn't it?

And with all the amazing graphics around these days, games are still getting progressively worse (imho, of course). It just shows how easy it is to distract peo... oooh... shiny.

ercpkr
17th Aug 2010, 03:24
What's with the womens? The mole people kicked them out because they don't like em.

^^
I wouldn't necessarily say that games are getting worse, but it's certainly going to be a lot harder to find good mods and reskins in the near future, gaming continuing this trend.

Nyysjan
17th Aug 2010, 03:25
I threw a potted fern at an NSF terrorist. It did not go well.

For you, the fern or the terrorist?

luminar
17th Aug 2010, 03:28
I agree, DX's graphics are not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. They're not current, obviously, but it's not like it's 8-bit resolution. To be honest, when playing the only thing that actively bothers me in that regard is how nobody has ears. All there are are some flat textures against their heads! So weird looking. :/



Yes, actually.


They're called things like "Sentence Structure" and "Most Likely Interpretation" and "Grammar"...

Ah well that is definetly my weak area! Lol!

Jerion
17th Aug 2010, 04:32
For you, the fern or the terrorist?

Yes.


DX's graphics were not exactly state-of-the-art when it came out either but they were not crap, nor are they now; they are functional. (I.e., when you look at something you can see clearly what it is supposed to be.) That's all a game really needs, isn't it?

And with all the amazing graphics around these days, games are still getting progressively worse (imho, of course). It just shows how easy it is to distract peo... oooh... shiny.

Understand what I say. I do not say they are bad, or nonfunctional, for they are neither. Relative to current graphical standards, they are blurry, boxy, and crap.

I think the trend of exchanging physics & interactivity for pretties is a poor one. It was a welcome discovery for example, when I realized that in Crysis damned near anything can be picked up and thrown. :cool: I think we're getting to a point where (on the PC at least) we can have both extensive form and function. Hopefully HR will be a step in the right direction regarding this.

Cronstintein
17th Aug 2010, 05:25
^ agreed!

The physics engine is what allows the innovative player to be creative in solving the games obstacles. If you took
the destructable environments from bad company +
physics of DX1 (preferably updated somewhat) +
first person immersion of bioshock +
alpha protocol email/rpg elements +
crysis graphics =

a helluva sequel.

Maybe someday.

xsamitt
17th Aug 2010, 12:04
^ agreed!

The physics engine is what allows the innovative player to be creative in solving the games obstacles. If you took
the destructable environments from bad company +
physics of DX1 (preferably updated somewhat) +
first person immersion of bioshock +
alpha protocol email/rpg elements +
crysis graphics =

a helluva sequel.

Maybe someday.


Now that would be GOTY for sure.
Also put Warren Spector and Alexander Brandon and the voice of J.C Denton(Forget his name)in there and you have the equivalent of a Deus Ex wet dream.:whistle:

Fluffis
17th Aug 2010, 12:36
Understand what I say. I do not say they are bad, or nonfunctional, for they are neither. Relative to current graphical standards, they are blurry, boxy, and crap.


I understood what you were saying. And I'm saying that as long as graphics are functional, they are not crap. Today's graphics are better but that doesn't make DX's graphics crap. Relatively or otherwise.

In a way (and bear with me here), I'd say that the graphics today are worse. Yes, they look cinematic, or whatever, so visually they are better. But conceptually they are worse, because they seem to distract a lot of developers from what is genuinely important in games: gameplay. They are treating games more and more like interactive movies. Unfortunately, I see this in the trailer for Human Revolution as well. Non-interactive, scripted, in-game cutscenes and non-interactive third-person takedowns. We're just supposed to watch action. That's not a game; that's a movie.

A lot of developers are going to great lengths to make things "realistic", visually, but the problem is that they are using movie sensibilities rather than actual realism. When you play modern games, you don't get the feeling that you are watching reality; you get the feeling that you are watching a movie because (intentional or not) that is the inspiration for most games. And when you're copying a medium that is (generally) about 60-70% purely visual, and 30-40% other experiences (sound, story etc), you end up with a game with roughly those proportions as well. The focus is visuals.

The problem, for me, when dealing with today's graphics is that I don't sit down in front of my computer to watch a movie. I do it to play a game. I'd rather play a game with functional graphics and great gameplay and story, than what is essentially an interactive movie (pretty to look at, but not much else). This is why Deus Ex is still almost completely unchallenged in my games library, which is fairly extensive. Very few games have even come close.

luminar
17th Aug 2010, 15:24
I understood what you were saying. And I'm saying that as long as graphics are functional, they are not crap. Today's graphics are better but that doesn't make DX's graphics crap. Relatively or otherwise.

In a way (and bear with me here), I'd say that the graphics today are worse. Yes, they look cinematic, or whatever, so visually they are better. But conceptually they are worse, because they seem to distract a lot of developers from what is genuinely important in games: gameplay. They are treating games more and more like interactive movies. Unfortunately, I see this in the trailer for Human Revolution as well. Non-interactive, scripted, in-game cutscenes and non-interactive third-person takedowns. We're just supposed to watch action. That's not a game; that's a movie.

A lot of developers are going to great lengths to make things "realistic", visually, but the problem is that they are using movie sensibilities rather than actual realism. When you play modern games, you don't get the feeling that you are watching reality; you get the feeling that you are watching a movie because (intentional or not) that is the inspiration for most games. And when you're copying a medium that is (generally) about 60-70% purely visual, and 30-40% other experiences (sound, story etc), you end up with a game with roughly those proportions as well. The focus is visuals.

The problem, for me, when dealing with today's graphics is that I don't sit down in front of my computer to watch a movie. I do it to play a game. I'd rather play a game with functional graphics and great gameplay and story, than what is essentially an interactive movie (pretty to look at, but not much else). This is why Deus Ex is still almost completely unchallenged in my games library, which is fairly extensive. Very few games have even come close.

You pretty much just summed up today's bad design choices! +1!

xsamitt
17th Aug 2010, 17:41
You pretty much just summed up today's bad design choices! +1!

Yes ...I agree with this as well......Sadly.:hmm:

Shadowdagger
17th Aug 2010, 18:24
Go watch a porn movie.

http://wifi-pirate.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/laughingelfmangw11-218x300.jpg

luminar
17th Aug 2010, 18:24
Yes ...I agree with this as well......Sadly.:hmm:

Sadly? Don't apologize for your opinion!

Angel-A
17th Aug 2010, 19:57
Tell me you did not just diss 8-bit graphics... http://i.imdb.com/Photos/CMSIcons/emoticons/angry/angry7.gif

Oh dear... Did I make a politically incorrect? :eek:

Fluffis
17th Aug 2010, 20:17
Oh dear... Did I make a politically incorrect? :eek:

No, it's just that I'm a bit protective of 8-bit gaming, C=64 in particular. The things programmers could do with, in total, 64kb of memory (about 35+ kb free)... it still staggers the imagination.

maikaal
18th Aug 2010, 18:10
Welcome to the internets: the shelter for socially challenged and sexually frustrated since 1995.

Fluffis
18th Aug 2010, 19:22
Welcome to the internets: the shelter for socially challenged and sexually frustrated since 1995.

I don't really feel like joining your little club, but thanks.

Pinky_Powers
18th Aug 2010, 19:49
Oh dear... Did I make a politically incorrect? :eek:

Your foul mouth has taken you over the edge this time! :eek:

Angel-A
19th Aug 2010, 04:13
Your foul mouth has taken you over the edge this time! :eek:
Noo! I can't help it, I'm a socially challenged and sexually frustrated teenager.
All I can do now is throw myself upon the mercy of the forum and ask not to be unforgivingly silently judged... :(

Red
19th Aug 2010, 07:53
I hope you can bang the pilot chick, or somehow get well acquainted with her, drowning your sorrow because your wife is dead. And THEN! Bang. They kill her too and you really go bat**** crazy and go on an augmented rampage and commit genocide upon all higher-up of all global companies like Sarif.

Amirite?

Ok, joking a bit, but still, it'd be nice that you could get closer with some characters than just "hey buddy, how ya doin".

Isterio
19th Aug 2010, 10:04
Back to the women(sssssss) ...

I do like games, in which you have something to look at. Women, guns, augs, blood, explosions, flying cars ... hrrrhrrr

If the alter ego builds up some kind of relationship during the game, he or she seems to be more real to me. Just killing people and listening to political monologs all the time is not tooooooooooo interesting. How about spicing it up?

And why do some of you act, as if you don't like watching some romance going on, eh? Aren't you interested in attractive women (even if they are artificial)? Of course, it is mainly a action game and one shouldn't loose track of that, but come on ... It's strange to play games like Gothic, where 99% of all characters are men. You start hoping that your protoganist never wants to take a shower (if you know, what I mean).

But yes ... a good game doesn't "need" women, but does it hurt to have them integrated? Is it bad to interact with them? Would it ruin your fun, if there would be some tention between the genders?

rokstrombo
19th Aug 2010, 10:54
I think it's good that there will be some scope for Adam to have some kind of emotional life, especially in a game where transhumanism will be a central theme. I felt that JC's philosophical monotone was distinctly luxurious in such a desperate and dystopian setting. It was cool because it was so insistent and geeky, but at the same time I think it limited the emotional depth of his interactions with other characters.

avenging_teabag
19th Aug 2010, 12:10
And why do some of you act, as if you don't like watching some romance going on, eh?
I think it's due mainly to 2 factors: 1) the overwhelming part of videogame audiences are teenage boys, hence the "girls are icky" mentality. 2) as for more adult people, the main stumbling block is that romance is incredibly hard to get right, especially when you take into account the current level of writing in games. I recently played DAO and god, having to bang Alistair was about as satisfying as having your way with a meat grinder. In parts it was downright embarrassing, and embarrassment is not an emotion I seek when I play games. So I's rather EM left that part out entirely, or at the very least, made it completely optional (and inconsequential).

Red
19th Aug 2010, 13:12
Hm, I'd say that movies tend to be more often cheesy than not when coming to romance and other complex (protagonist's) relations to other people.

But with the games, it's slightly different especially with the very immersive ones, because it's YOU who's interacting with people, it's YOU who is getting new friends, it's YOU who fall in love etc etc. and in the end it's YOU who lose these people over your or someone elses mistakes. The emotional impact is quite harder here. And I really wouldn't mind if you really could mess around with the pilot or some other woman in this game as long as it's tastefully presented/integrated into the game flow.

avenging_teabag
19th Aug 2010, 13:32
But with the games, it's slightly different especially with the very immersive ones, because it's YOU who's interacting with people, it's YOU who is getting new friends, it's YOU who fall in love etc etc. and in the end it's YOU who lose these people over your or someone elses mistakes. The emotional impact is quite harder here.
Yeah, and that's when you hit a false note, so to speak, it makes you grind your teeth even harder, because it's YOU and not some movie character who follows the ridiculous path set out by the writers. That being said, I'm really not opposed to the romance on principle - I'm just saying that in a videogame it's extremely hard (almost impossible) to get right. At least for me.

I agree though, Faridah looks mightily cool. I think my Adam wouldn't mind...

Pinky_Powers
19th Aug 2010, 14:14
the overwhelming part of videogame audiences are teenage boys, hence the "girls are icky" mentality.

You still found girls to be icky when you were a teenager? :confused:

That's suppose to end at around eleven or twelve.

avenging_teabag
19th Aug 2010, 15:12
You still found girls to be icky when you were a teenager? :confused:

That's suppose to end at around eleven or twelve.
Well, seeing as I'm a girl myself (or at least was a girl depressingly long time ago) - I did find boys icky until I was about 14.

Pinky_Powers
19th Aug 2010, 15:49
Well, seeing as I'm a girl myself (or at least was a girl depressingly long time ago) - I did find boys icky until I was about 14.

I always thought girls matured passed that even quicker than boys did.

On the other hand, at that age, boys are factually "icky", but still...

xsamitt
19th Aug 2010, 15:52
You still found girls to be icky when you were a teenager? :confused:

That's suppose to end at around eleven or twelve.


Get this guy some J.C Denton holy water,that should fix things pretty quick.:lol::whistle::D

K^2
19th Aug 2010, 18:07
Well, seeing as I'm a girl myself
You are a girl and you go by "avenging_teabag"? Maybe I'm experiencing a total failure of imagination, but how does that work?

avenging_teabag
19th Aug 2010, 18:37
Now wait just a second here... what's so inherently masculine about teabags? Am I not getting it?

pringlepower
19th Aug 2010, 18:41
Now wait just a second here... what's so inherently masculine about teabags? Am I not getting it?

The crouching teabags or the teabags you put in pots of water?

avenging_teabag
19th Aug 2010, 18:42
The water ones.

pringlepower
19th Aug 2010, 18:45
The water ones.

Nothing wrong with those.

Pinky_Powers
19th Aug 2010, 20:38
Now wait just a second here... what's so inherently masculine about teabags? Am I not getting it?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teabagging

:)

JCpies
19th Aug 2010, 20:41
They need to make a physical urban dictionary... for when you come into contact with 'peasants'. & knaves.

pringlepower
19th Aug 2010, 20:42
They need to make a physical urban dictionary... for when you come into contact with 'peasants'. & knaves.

And scallywags?

Pinky_Powers
19th Aug 2010, 20:47
They need to make a physical urban dictionary... for when you come into contact with 'peasants'. & knaves.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_8?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=urban+dictionary&x=0&y=0&sprefix=urban+di&ih=4_1_0_0_0_2_0_0_1_2.150_147&fsc=7

JCpies
19th Aug 2010, 20:51
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_8?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=urban+dictionary&x=0&y=0&sprefix=urban+di&ih=4_1_0_0_0_2_0_0_1_2.150_147&fsc=7


Excellent, when I go to that butters place around the hood I cant get jankie people pokin dere noses inta my business, there peak sumtimes.

Angel-A
19th Aug 2010, 20:56
Back on topic, I choose you!

This whole "girls are icky" thing makes no sense considering we're simultaniously talking about how lots of male gamers are drawn in by woah teh boobz. Romantic RPG elements and how good looking the distinctly human female shaped polygons are are two separate things.
Just hoping women will be playing signifigant roles throughout the game and things aren't going to be suffering from Most-Writers/Programmers/Designers-Are-Male syndrome (I'll be REALLY impressed if we see female guards and soldiers, which is so often overlooked).

At any rate, seeing as I'm a girl, I must say that the female appeal factor had better not be ignored... :hmm:
Adam yay.



I always thought girls matured passed that even quicker than boys did.

On the other hand, at that age, boys are factually "icky", but still...
Probably it is actually because boys mature more slowly. While girls are quickly looking like young women, boys still look mostly like children (and are still basically kind of disgusting and not attractive in any way).
And consider this along with the fact that 13-16 year olds have excessive fangirling and all will become clear...

JCpies
19th Aug 2010, 20:59
Hopefully you can do the 'Shut the hell up and fire a gep gun at the womans face before looking up her dress and throwing her body off of a skyscraper' thing.

DeusWhatever
19th Aug 2010, 21:06
Call me prude, but in which cultural environment is "inserting one mans sack into another persons mouth" a "prank" or "practical joke"? Are there really people actually doing this?! (and btw. i never heard this before)

Pinky_Powers
19th Aug 2010, 21:11
Hopefully you can do the 'Shut the hell up and fire a gep gun at the womans face before looking up her dress and throwing her body off of a skyscraper' thing.

These are indeed important concepts for a great game.

Pinky_Powers
19th Aug 2010, 21:13
in which cultural environment

It's called collage. Fraternity houses and dormitories.

It's where some folk go to excrete their very worst sensibilities.

Isterio
20th Aug 2010, 03:48
Already an outing of two women ...

I suggest you not to say that you are females. Because there are probably 80% men in these forums and because all of them are quite geeky, you might get a lot of unwanted attention. Unless you kind of like that ...

@ Teabag

I once looked like a teabag, but after 2 years of going to the Gym that changed to the better. I do hope that you have no similarities with one.

@ Topic

I agree that some romances are done/written very poorly. But in a game like DXHR it won't be cheesy. The atmosphere must stay depressing, so it can't be all butterflies and flowers. How about some kind of rivalery in certain quests, which leads to some kind of hate/love relationship?

I would like to see some kind of female agent, who uses you as a decoy (after previous encounters) to get something important herself. She continuously humiliates you and later you pay her back ("haha, now I showed you, who's the real puppet master"). Maybe you lure her in an even better trap with other enemies and then:

A) You curse/taunt her and let her be killed. (Just mean)
B) Kill her yourself and all the others with a bomb. All problems solved... (Quite pragmatic)
C) Save her, because you pitty her (or she makes an offer you can't refuse) and make sweeeeeet love to her. (My favorite)
D) Save her and forgive her. (Shiny knight version)

Well ... I like it!

pringlepower
20th Aug 2010, 03:53
Back on topic, I choose you!

This whole "girls are icky" thing makes no sense considering we're simultaniously talking about how lots of male gamers are drawn in by woah teh boobz. Romantic RPG elements and how good looking the distinctly human female shaped polygons are are two separate things

Those are not women. They are objects for our pleasure. They are devoid of personality, and exist only to OH GOD THOSE BOOBS!!!

luminar
20th Aug 2010, 04:04
Already an outing of two women ...

I suggest you not to say that you are females. Because there are probably 80% men in these forums and because all of them are quite geeky, you might get a lot of unwanted attention. Unless you kind of like that ...

@ Teabag

I once looked like a teabag, but after 2 years of going to the Gym that changed to the better. I do hope that you have no similarities with one.

@ Topic

I agree that some romances are done/written very poorly. But in a game like DXHR it won't be cheesy. The atmosphere must stay depressing, so it can't be all butterflies and flowers. How about some kind of rivalery in certain quests, which leads to some kind of hate/love relationship?

I would like to see some kind of female agent, who uses you as a decoy (after previous encounters) to get something important herself. She continuously humiliates you and later you pay her back ("haha, now I showed you, who's the real puppet master"). Maybe you lure her in an even better trap with other enemies and then:

A) You curse/taunt her and let her be killed. (Just mean)
B) Kill her yourself and all the others with a bomb. All problems solved... (Quite pragmatic)
C) Save her, because you pitty her and make sweeeeeet love to her. (My favorite)
D) Save her and forgive her. (Shiny knight version)

Well ... I like it!

I wouldn't mind a couple romance sidequest type deals. It'd be cool if at some point your "girlfriend" is taken by your enemies and you can choose to leave her to her fate or save her, but saving her isn't necessarily the "good" choice you could have alterior motives, and dialogue and gameplay should reflect that. This is probably the only good thing mass effect 2 did beyond the characters and I wouldnt mind if a similar system was implemented in HR. Especially considering I'm extremly socially withdrawn and dislike most people (until they talk to me, and then if their decent and respectful I reciprocate and if their douchebags I again reciprocate.) and thus have little to no chance at having another relationship. (Yes another, I did indeed have a girlfriend at one point but we both realised we were rubbish BF/GF.) So this is about as close I'm gonna get until I meet a woman who shares my hatred of everyone and everything (especially mainstream medias depiction of men as bumbling idiots who lose all intelligence at the slightest mention of boobs and the stereotypical "life" one must have to avoid being a loser. which is basically just a way of making you a slave to a system which doesnt reward you fairly. Thats my social comentary for the week) and yet simultaneously is very laid back like I am and laughs at essentially everything and thus can deal with my excentricities.

Angel-A
20th Aug 2010, 04:39
I suggest you not to say that you are females. Because there are probably 80% men in these forums and because all of them are quite geeky, you might get a lot of unwanted attention. Unless you kind of like that ...
Ah, yes, of course... There are not any girls on the Internet. And, you know, since even the possibility of a female being present on the Internet (as all guys are incorrigible, boob crazed, awkward nerdlings) unleashes fanbois and white-knighting to the max, it is actually best for everyone if women hide the fact that they are that other gender.




Those are not women. They are objects for our pleasure. They are devoid of personality, and exist only to OH GOD THOSE BOOBS!!!
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/funny-picture-lolcats-u-haz-no-girlfriend.jpg

rokstrombo
20th Aug 2010, 05:14
Since this will be an action game, we can safely assume Adam's love interest will be somehow turned on by his dutiful ultraviolence. Of course, that is after he saves her life against all odds.

Somewhere the robot arms will have to come into play as well. Be gentle, Adam honey!

avenging_teabag
20th Aug 2010, 05:15
This whole "girls are icky" thing makes no sense considering we're simultaniously talking about how lots of male gamers are drawn in by woah teh boobz. Romantic RPG elements and how good looking the distinctly human female shaped polygons are are two separate things.
Well, I speak from experience. I have a pre-teen son and a gaggle of teenage nephews, and while they might like to look at teh b00biez, they wouldn't be caught dead admitting that they're interested in girls or romance in any way. For sure they would balk at the notion of including romance in their Need for speed or whatever.


At any rate, seeing as I'm a girl, I must say that the female appeal factor had better not be ignored... :hmm:
Adam yay.
Quoted for truth

avenging_teabag
20th Aug 2010, 05:17
Already an outing of two women ...

I suggest you not to say that you are females. Because there are probably 80% men in these forums and because all of them are quite geeky, you might get a lot of unwanted attention. Unless you kind of like that ...

I feel oppressed now *sadface*

mad825
20th Aug 2010, 06:38
Already an outing of two women ...

I suggest you not to say that you are females. Because there are probably 80% men in these forums and because all of them are quite geeky, you might get a lot of unwanted attention. Unless you kind of like that ...

Correction, 80% of these people are lurkers,you might get a lot of unwanted attention.

I don't think stereotyping is going to help in any way other than dehumanising them (such as I), even so there are rules that goes against harassing as such and I'm sure that one of mods wouldn't mind using the almighty banhammer on [Trolls/lurkers] them if such things is going to occur.
_______________________

I dont really want (or like the idea) a game like Deus Ex having a quite considerable chunk of it's story devoted to pointless and rather gimmickry side of things.

Deus Ex has never been about any kind of Sim or a Dating Sim for that matter, the last thing I don't want to see happening DXHR is being known for it's sexual/relationship content even though SE/EM have most probably screwed over the main storyline (DX franchise).

Isterio
20th Aug 2010, 06:50
Ah, yes, of course... There are not any girls on the Internet. And, you know, since even the possibility of a female being present on the Internet (as all guys are incorrigible, boob crazed, awkward nerdlings) unleashes fanbois and white-knighting to the max, it is actually best for everyone if women hide the fact that they are that other gender.



Hehe ... I wonder, how you managed to get so p...d about my comment. Please let me explain:

1. Of course there are women on the internet. I didn't suggest otherwise. The question is, how they allocate to different areas.

It is no question that there are more male gamers, than female ones (worldwide). There might be more women using the internet for chatting and facebooking, than to lurke around the forums of an ACTION game?

Please prove me wrong, but I'm 100% sure that there are more men interested in DEHR, than women. So there are more men here in this forum. I guess 80/20 could be a quite accurate guess. Do you really suggest that it is the other way around?

2. This forum isn't modereated and the game isn't on the market yet. So it is fair to say that everybody here is a little bit geeky (and I don't say, this is a bad thing).

3. According to my observation in other forums similar to this one, the fact that there are more men, than women, directs more attention to the later.

I have read postings, where those women were complaining that they were treated differently. Like you are now complaining, because I did mention this experience and turned it into a suggestion... a friendly notification.

4. An advice is an adice. But please, do whatever you want. It's not like I care too much...

By all means ... I urge you to go through the forums screaming "I'm a woman! I'm a woman!". It won't hurt anyone, I guess. If that makes you happy and liberates you from my shameful suppression of all the women using the internet, so be it.


Seriously, let's be less serious! :P



[EDIT]
At mad825 .. it could also annoy some people, if others treat you too friendly, always agree with you, desperatly want to be your friend or if you have every day 20 messages from strangers in your PM-box. Others however like it...
What would the mods do about that?

mad825
20th Aug 2010, 07:34
At mad825 .. it could also annoy some people, if others treat you too friendly, always agree with you, desperatly want to be your friend or if you have every day 20 messages from strangers in your PM-box. Others however like it...
What would the mods do about that?
well there not much I can say about the *ahem* "faecal matter,tasting" due to my sadistic nature however adding them to the ignore list would be an idea.

as for the PMs I think this would cover Rule "#5:....don't keep sending them unwanted messages" but I think it would be best to PM a mod about that as they are there for a reason.

yea,there are people who do like it and the anonymity of the forums may even provoke it even futher.

Pinky_Powers
20th Aug 2010, 07:50
What the bloody hell are you guys talking about now? Women? Mods? Lurkers?

Befriend the women if you like their posts. Hate them if you don't. Just as you would any poster.

Put overly annoying posters on the Ignore list.

Go way down on the Mods with vigorous oral experimentation.

These are the rules for existing on the sticky web thing.

Isterio
20th Aug 2010, 08:41
What the bloody hell are you guys talking about now? Women? Mods? Lurkers?

Befriend the women if you like their posts. Hate them if you don't. Just as you would any poster.

Put overly annoying posters on the Ignore list.

Go way down on the Mods with vigorous oral experimentation.

These are the rules for existing on the sticky web thing.

Why so surprised? Doesn't the title of the thread speak for itself? ;)

But yes, what about women in DEHR?

I would like to see a beliefable representation of women in the game. It's only realistic, since the ratio is about 50/50. There could be a fair amount of female soldiers and guards too. It would be more interesting to interact with different NPCs.

I have spoken. The thread can be closed ...

Jerion
20th Aug 2010, 08:42
The forum is moderated, we just let people run on a looser leash than some. ;)

Pinky? No amount of vigorous oral experimentation is gonna change my mind about you.

Pinky_Powers
20th Aug 2010, 09:58
Pinky? No amount of vigorous oral experimentation is gonna change my mind about you.

Don't be so sure. I exercise a broad array of maneuvers that have been referred to as "eye opening". A young blind woman once claimed to see colours by the time I was through with her.

DeusWhatever
20th Aug 2010, 13:05
Wow, knowing there are women in this board now, makes it feel like i actually have contact with women in real life :eek:

Maybe i just have a strange circle of friends, but it seems like the geek -> no girls-cliche is pretty much "outdated". Beeing a "Geek" even has become some sort of trend (at least the "three-day beard" ones).

K^2
20th Aug 2010, 14:46
Pinky has a dream.


The water ones.
Oh. Wow. That possibility simply never occurred to me.

pringlepower
20th Aug 2010, 15:00
Pinky has a dream.


Oh. Wow. That possibility simply never occurred to me.

The internet has ruined us.

Pinky_Powers
20th Aug 2010, 15:06
Pinky has a dream.

A striking, fearful dream!

xsamitt
20th Aug 2010, 17:11
Don't be so sure. I exercise a broad array of maneuvers that have been referred to as "eye opening". A young blind woman once claimed to see colours by the time I was through with her.


Now that's the quote of the day for sure.:D

JCpies
20th Aug 2010, 19:12
A striking, fearful dream!

Pinky are you dreaming what I'm dreaming?

A dream where one day young little black boys and little black girls will be able to play with little white boys and white girls? (That is how it goes isn't it?)

Anyway, back on topic. Hopefully you can do karaoke with women like in Yakuza 3.

Pinky_Powers
20th Aug 2010, 19:45
Pinky are you dreaming what I'm dreaming?

My dreams are usually... well, here. Let me post a snippet of some monstrous story I wrote a while back.


I was standing amid a fabulous glade of beautiful trees and flowers. With me here were five or six exquisitely attractive young women dancing about wearing nearly nothing at all. Certainly, this was Shangri-la.

Suddenly I heard a hollow knocking sound from behind. When I turned to see who had disturbed this agreeable scene I saw a tiny, pink bunny rabbit with one hand beating vaguely on the trunk of a tree. And he had in his other hand a rather large hash-pipe, given his size. And yes, the pupils of this demonic creature’s eyes were dilated… this hare was stoned.

I gave him The Finger with a bit of a growl and locked him with a deadly gaze. But this little f**ker had the stones of a great ox, and started striking the tree even harder. The vibes in this wooded wonderland were turning ugly fast, and the ladies must have began to sober up, because their dancing slowed and a few of them were now just standing there looking around all confused. “Damn it, you $h1t-faced Nazi,” I yelled to him. But the knocking became more vicious, and the eyes of this pink devil were now glowing red. The banging was so awful to my ears I was sure it was reverberating through the entire wood and dive-bombing me from all directions. I fell to my knees in a crazed fury and screamed at the top of my rather delicate range “I HATE YOU, YOU HIDEOUS PUKE! I HATE YOU SO MUCH!”

JCpies
20th Aug 2010, 19:55
My dreams are usually... well, here. Let me post a snippet of some monstrous story I wrote a while back.

I don't know what Shangri la means, but I know it's a space colony featured in Gundam ZZ... :nut:

Anyway I'll give a snippet of my own dream, it's a real dream.

The continuity is a bit mixed up. I entered the waiting room of my local surgery, after a while of moving around I was led into the 'main hall' of my school, we proceeded to watch the first ever gameplay footage of Deus Ex 3. At first glance it seemed to be battery park of Deus Ex 1, but with excellent modern graphics. The character jumped from concrete post to concrete post whilst avoiding enemies, at the climax of the chase the focus of the amazing graphics shifted to the black helicopter... it had the exact same graphics as Deus Ex (1).

Pinky_Powers
20th Aug 2010, 19:58
I don't know what Shangri la means, but I know it's a space colony featured in Gundam ZZ... :nut:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangri-La

Angel-A
21st Aug 2010, 00:45
We are talking about DX dreams? Oh joy, I have those. Several, in fact.
One I can recall right now... Started out with Adam Jensen, being his usual badass self, in some level that looked like the shipyard in HR. He was running around on crates and platforms fighting grunts.
AJ proceeded to a very out-of-place looking glass door (I believe on the ship), which he then punched through as he caught on fire because, of all things, having Ghostrider powers. He went inside and was wreaking havoc on what looked like an HR incarnation of E3 inside the ship. While being Ghostrider Adam.
He seemed pissed.
And I'm not kidding about this...




Hehe ... I wonder, how you managed to get so p...d about my comment. Please let me explain:
You said we shouldn't mention being female, as if it were a negative thing. Uh, yeeeeah...


1. Of course there are women on the internet. I didn't suggest otherwise. The question is, how they allocate to different areas.

It is no question that there are more male gamers, than female ones (worldwide). There might be more women using the internet for chatting and facebooking, than to lurke around the forums of an ACTION game?

Please prove me wrong, but I'm 100% sure that there are more men interested in DEHR, than women. So there are more men here in this forum. I guess 80/20 could be a quite accurate guess. Do you really suggest that it is the other way around?
Ever heard of the Internet Rule "No girls on the Internet"? It's an age old meme that basically states all "girls" are just guys who are lying about their gender to get special treatment since "the Internet is only males". Often leading to annoying conflicts where any girl gets bombarded with "but girls don't use the Internet, lying liar". It can either be joking or serious, and... You see where I am going, yes?
I never said more girls than guys are on this forum, I didn't even suggest such, but I'm saying what you're doing just sounds like another guy saying "lol, no grls on the internets" when you say we should hide that we are female, like it's bad. Do ya see how that works...?


2. This forum isn't modereated and the game isn't on the market yet. So it is fair to say that everybody here is a little bit geeky (and I don't say, this is a bad thing).
What
Uh... It is moderated...
I'm sure lots of people here are at least a little bit geeky, but "geeky" doesn't equal shut-in, weirdo Internet pervert.


3. According to my observation in other forums similar to this one, the fact that there are more men, than women, directs more attention to the later.

I have read postings, where those women were complaining that they were treated differently. Like you are now complaining, because I did mention this experience and turned it into a suggestion... a friendly notification.
What I was talking about originally was that I didn't want to see HR designed with the mindset that men, and only men, will be playing it. Then you're saying it's a bad idea to being saying we're female...
I've never seen any guys here weirding out because "OMFG A GIRL IS IN TEH FORUMZ!!1!11". It's not an issue, here. TBH, I've been on forums where I'm literally the only girl and I don't have problems with people being bothersome or creepy.



4. An advice is an adice. But please, do whatever you want. It's not like I care too much...

By all means ... I urge you to go through the forums screaming "I'm a woman! I'm a woman!". It won't hurt anyone, I guess. If that makes you happy and liberates you from my shameful suppression of all the women using the internet, so be it.

At mad825 .. it could also annoy some people, if others treat you too friendly, always agree with you, desperatly want to be your friend or if you have every day 20 messages from strangers in your PM-box. Others however like it...
What would the mods do about that?
Incidentally, that's not good advice.
And it is kind of oppressing, it's like saying being a female gamer being around is extremely not normal and is a deviant thing with negative consequences. If we ever DID get harrassed, obviously the mods would be availible to help, being mods (report button: heard of it?). One of the mods here is a female, in fact... :p [/disgruntlement]

xsamitt
21st Aug 2010, 00:57
To all the girls who see this,I delicate this to yawl.Texas Style.:worship:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w17TsySaW-8

Jerion
21st Aug 2010, 01:06
I've never seen any guys here weirding out because "OMFG A GIRL IS IN TEH FORUMZ!!1!11". It's not an issue, here.

...

And it is kind of oppressing, it's like saying being a female gamer being around is extremely not normal and is a deviant thing with negative consequences. If we ever DID get harrassed, obviously the mods would be availible to help, being mods (report button: heard of it?). One of the mods here is a female, in fact... :p [/disgruntlement]

Very much so. It simply isn't an issue.

http://legclan.org/smf/Smileys/default/49.gif

Fluffis
21st Aug 2010, 02:25
AAAAAAAH! Ther R g1rlz in teh forumz?? Cooties! COOOOOTIES!!! *runs to the hills*

mad825
21st Aug 2010, 03:52
any way...back on-topic, this hating each other is now starting to bore me :poke:

I was talking about originally was that I didn't want to see HR designed with the mindset that men, and only men, will be playing it.
To answer your question:

you are wishing...you are wishing upon a star.

Given how the gaming industry runs today, there is little apathy for female gamers due to the fact that they think males are in the majority (Female dominance is supposedly softcore/causal games like bejeweled) among gamers, even so there is little evidence to prove or disprove.
There has been on gaming company (Activision) to admit that they think "Female leads don't sell games" (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=258641) which does just add to the sexism pot in the gaming industry.
also fact that SE may have influence over EM lowers the odds in your favour.

but If I'm wrong then I shall most certainly fall off my chair and land on my bottom

rokstrombo
21st Aug 2010, 05:13
My dreams are usually... well, here. Let me post a snippet of some monstrous story I wrote a while back.

Very nice :)

Can't help but feel a little mad at that rabbit myself!

Lady_Of_The_Vine
21st Aug 2010, 09:54
One of the mods here is a female, in fact... :p [/disgruntlement]

I think you're on to something here... :eek:

avenging_teabag
21st Aug 2010, 14:15
Oh. Wow. That possibility simply never occurred to me.
I believe we both experienced an instant of cognitive dissonance (also known as wtf).

avenging_teabag
21st Aug 2010, 14:19
any way...back on-topic, this hating each other is now starting to bore me :poke:


also fact that SE may have influence over EM lowers the odds in your favour.

but If I'm wrong then I shall most certainly fall off my chair and land on my bottom
I think you're selling them short here, they did add a floral pattern to Adam's trenchcoat, didn't they? Eidos Montreal is taking strides to make their games attractive to female audiences.

Angel-A
22nd Aug 2010, 00:02
To answer your question:

you are wishing...you are wishing upon a star.
:(
*tear*...

Given how the gaming industry runs today, there is little apathy for female gamers due to the fact that they think males are in the majority (Female dominance is supposedly softcore/causal games like bejeweled) among gamers, even so there is little evidence to prove or disprove.
There has been on gaming company (Activision) to admit that they think "Female leads don't sell games" (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=258641) which does just add to the sexism pot in the gaming industry.
also fact that SE may have influence over EM lowers the odds in your favour.

but If I'm wrong then I shall most certainly fall off my chair and land on my bottom
IMHO, it's all a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. They don't try to appeal to females, so they are ignored and things only focus on what guys like. It's designed to well appeal guys, while it lacks things that would specifically draw females in and then "See, girls don't play video games!".
How might I simply explain why there aren't more girl gamers? Okay... There's is a distinctly disproportionate ratio of attractiveness between those polygon men and women...
Well, maybe it's just me, but between all the entertainment media I've played/watched/read, there seems to be huge emphasis on making all women hawt, while just making guys look tough or cooler-than-thou (not the same as attractive or merely nice looking, nope). All I'm sayin' is that the visuals play a bit more important factor to girl gamers than you might think... :whistle:



I think you're on to something here... :eek:
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh22/mpreddy/its-a-conspiracy.jpg

Fluffis
22nd Aug 2010, 01:07
This is for those of you who don't know the games "The Longest Journey" and "Dreamfall: The Longest Journey". No real reason, other than to show a couple of good exceptions to the rule, and to promote one of the best franchises ever made (though Dreamfall is kind of lacking).

I'd just like to chime in with these two ladies who have sold, between them, about 1 million game copies (pretty good for a point-n-click, and a TP adventure game, both of which are more "Cult" than actual bestsellers - and it's probably even more by now) while still wearing a fairly decent wardrobe. And while they are both pretty, they are not really what I'd classify as typical "computer game hawt".

Apart from these outfits, there are (of course) scenes where they are in their underwear (tank top + panties - just getting out of bed, or in a "dream world", which is in fact real), but both are this covered up, or more (a lot more in the case of Zoe there at the bottom, and she's the one with the body closest to being "hawt") for about 97% of the game.

http://amito.freehostia.com/Images/April.jpg

http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/Dreamfall/Update%205/dreamfall%202007-06-17%2014-25-46-63.jpg

Though I have to say, that they are both a bit too skinny for my taste. :)

Anyway: If you are looking for games that will attract women; look no further than "The Longest Journey" and "The Longest Journey: Dreamfall". When a couple of friends (both girls) saw me playing The Longest Journey, they were, basically, falling over themselves to play it. They loved the imagery (very fairytale, about 50%), and the characters. Both went on to play Dreamfall as well. They both love it. They both thought Kian was pretty smoking as well (I'll include him below for good measure). ;)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1lf2G0IeKKo/SzS93Ydj3pI/AAAAAAAABKk/dJJw6nZZXjQ/s400/Karakterler2.jpg
(from left to right: Kian, Zoe, April (Dreamfall version))

Dead-Eye
22nd Aug 2010, 02:04
From what I'm seeing so far they've got diversity nailed down really well. Everyone is an equal pawn of equal value.

But in the end... we are all just pawns; regardless of equal rights and civil liberties.

rokstrombo
22nd Aug 2010, 04:26
Besides the sex of the player character, what specifically makes a game attractive to female gamers?

Personally I don't care about the sex of the character I control.

Rindill the Red
22nd Aug 2010, 04:45
Besides the sex of the player character, what specifically makes a game attractive to female gamers?

Personally I don't care about the sex of the character I control.

What makes movies attractive to females?

It's like the guy-flick action movie vs. the chick-flick comedy-romance.

Action movie:
1. Guns
2. Shooting
3. Car chases
4. Explosions
5. Hot girls

Comedy-Romance
1. Love interests (drama)
2. Dreamy guys
3. Comedy
4. Lots of talking

All a hard-core game really needs to do is catch the essence of Twilight in a game and there would be a huge influx of girl gamers.

I've got two sisters, and they both play browser games mostly, especially farmville but also other 2d scroller games.
Of console games they play...
Zelda
Rock Band
Dance-thingy
"Party-games"
Anything Wii.

JackShandy
22nd Aug 2010, 09:37
I don't think it's a matter of making games attractive to females. That kind of thinking leads to abominations like "Cooking mama" and "Barbie: Horse Adventures". It's more about stopping games that are so obviously made to be attractive only to males.

Really, all games need to do is stop being so stupidly over-the-top balls-out MACHO all the time. Just having a female protagonist, turning down the testosterone-pumped dialogue, not having huge limb-splattering gore all over the damn place all the time. We don't need to tone down the adventurousness of games: Just the testosterone.

Shralla
22nd Aug 2010, 19:22
I don't think it's a matter of making games attractive to females. That kind of thinking leads to abominations like "Cooking mama"

Which sold pretty excellent, so I'm not quite sure what you mean.


Really, all games need to do is stop being so stupidly over-the-top balls-out MACHO all the time. Just having a female protagonist, turning down the testosterone-pumped dialogue, not having huge limb-splattering gore all over the damn place all the time. We don't need to tone down the adventurousness of games: Just the testosterone.

I'm sorry, but if I'm gunning down hordes of bad guys, I want it to look great. At any rate, I think you're grossly overestimating the number of women who are in any way interested in playing a first-person shooter, regardless of its content. I've talked to a number of my female friends regarding video games, and the general consensus is that shooters are absolutely on the bottom of the list for women. It draws very little to no interest from the female psyche. I don't really know why, but so it goes.

Based on the same conversations, if they're going to play a game against/with other people, racing is up there, as are party games and Rock Band/DDR type stuff. Single-player experiences are usually Zelda-like in nature. Something relatively simple, but with a big world to explore and traverse. By the same token, Oblivion and those games can represent a big draw, but oftentimes the whole character system and leveling up can get in the way of enjoyment.

Women don't have the same brains as men. In general, they enjoy fundamentally different activities. I don't think that any amount of female characters or toned down testosterone is going to successfully sell a shooter to a lot of women.

xsamitt
22nd Aug 2010, 21:58
The physical difference are obvious,the psychological difference are there,but not so obvious.This is not a put down ladies,believe me I can't imagine a world without women.We are different and that's what so good about it.Instead of trying to pretend differences don't exist we should instead celebrate such differences.

DeusWhatever
23rd Aug 2010, 11:51
the psychological difference are there,but not so obvious.

Just put ponys, rainbows and an occasional heart-grafitti in the game -> problem solved :whistle:

luminar
23rd Aug 2010, 16:11
So what about women who do like shooters? Are they mentally unhealthy?

DeusWhatever
23rd Aug 2010, 16:23
So what about women who do like shooters? Are they mentally unhealthy?

Well i guess it depends ;)
Its like with male "ballet dancers", lets put it this way, at least the possibility for them to be "strange" is statistically increased ^^

Yet I dont know a single girl playing Ego-Shooters, yet its frighning it seems girls arent that disaffected to world of warcraft.

avenging_teabag
23rd Aug 2010, 16:30
At any rate, I think you're grossly overestimating the number of women who are in any way interested in playing a first-person shooter, regardless of its content. I've talked to a number of my female friends regarding video games, and the general consensus is that shooters are absolutely on the bottom of the list for women. It draws very little to no interest from the female psyche. I don't really know why, but so it goes.

All of my female friends who game, play mostly strategies, preferably turn-based (like HoMM, Disciples etc.), none of them would ever consider playing a shooter, you're right. Or an RPG, for that matter. The only female friend that I ever convinced to try an RPG (Torment) abandoned it 1/3 in, she said it was too much of a time sink and the Russian voicework was terrible (it was).

Ilves
23rd Aug 2010, 16:41
A friend of mine did a research paper on what drives female gamers a while ago and his main conclusion was that female gamers are less competitive, less inclined to enjoy violence, and gain satisfaction in nurturing aspects in gameplay.

As much as I hate to abide by cliché's, I can't deny that from all the different gameplay aspects recounted in the latest batch of previews the description of the social path made me happiest. :3

I can only speak for myself when I say that to some extent I can enjoy a good (testosterone fueled) action sequence as much as the next man, but if a game doesn't have credible human characters and the story doesn't revolve around their relationships on some level, I'm not interested.

Oh, and one particular example that comes to mind when discussing games explicitly geared toward a female audience is No One Lives Forever. The in game conversations and dialogs were full of sexist jokes that were comedy gold.

On the flip-side, a number of rather out-of-place-earnest and straight up feminist quotes were stuffed in there to make a point about women being perfectly capable to 'do a man's job'. It was actually those quotes that felt like slaps in the face. :hmm:

xsamitt
23rd Aug 2010, 18:00
A friend of mine did a research paper on what drives female gamers a while ago and his main conclusion was that female gamers are less competitive, less inclined to enjoy violence, and gain satisfaction in nurturing aspects in gameplay.

As much as I hate to abide by cliché's, I can't deny that from all the different gameplay aspects recounted in the latest batch of previews the description of the social path made me happiest. :3

I can only speak for myself when I say that to some extent I can enjoy a good (testosterone fueled) action sequence as much as the next man, but if a game doesn't have credible human characters and the story doesn't revolve around their relationships on some level, I'm not interested.

Oh, and one particular example that comes to mind when discussing games explicitly geared toward a female audience is No One Lives Forever. The in game conversations and dialogs were full of sexist jokes that were comedy gold.

On the flip-side, a number of rather out-of-place-earnest and straight up feminist quotes were stuffed in there to make a point about women being perfectly capable to 'do a man's job'. It was actually those quotes that felt like slaps in the face. :hmm:

Slapping can be quite fun.....Opps ...Wrong forums:nut::D again.

Shralla
23rd Aug 2010, 18:58
A friend of mine did a research paper on what drives female gamers a while ago and his main conclusion was that female gamers are less competitive, less inclined to enjoy violence, and gain satisfaction in nurturing aspects in gameplay.

Every time I think about this stuff, I end up wondering how it is that I like women so much (it occurs to me that that might sound slightly offensive, but I assure you it's not). It's just so weird to me that the gender divide is probably more apparent in taste in video games than in anything else, because all the girls I know who wouldn't play a first-person shooter would still go to see an action movie.

luminar
23rd Aug 2010, 21:59
So really noone knows of any hardcore rpg or shooter fans who are girls?

Jerion
23rd Aug 2010, 22:01
So really noone knows of any hardcore rpg or shooter fans who are girls?

RPG, no. I used to know a couple BF2142 and CoD 4 players who are girls (women now). One was pretty good too.

Fluffis
23rd Aug 2010, 22:42
So really noone knows of any hardcore rpg or shooter fans who are girls?

I know a couple of pretty hardcore RPG girls. They play more RPGs than I do - and that's a lot

jtr7
23rd Aug 2010, 22:47
A poll was taken at the Thief 4 forum:
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=95809

Pretentious Old Man.
23rd Aug 2010, 23:14
To continue from what Fluffis was saying, unless you are 14 years of age, pretty girls who are covered up are almost universally more attractive than girls who are not. Bikinis and their like are not only unnecessary, but are usually actually detrimental.

Pinky_Powers
24th Aug 2010, 00:11
Bikinis and their like are not only unnecessary, but are usually actually detrimental.

That's just silly.

Fluffis
24th Aug 2010, 00:19
That's just silly.

No, actually it's quite true. Seeing too much takes away the allure, and that's much hotter than all the skin in the world.
The right garments bring out the real beauty of a woman.

Pinky_Powers
24th Aug 2010, 00:36
No, actually it's quite true. Seeing too much takes away the allure, and that's much hotter than all the skin in the world.
The right garments bring out the real beauty of a woman.

If it's her "real beauty", then how come, once you see her really "in da fresh", it's no good? Either you don't understand the meaning of the word "real", or you're a closet queer who doesn't even know it. :D

Seriously though, I do appreciate what you're saying, and it's mostly correct. But I'll fight till my dying breath against sentiments that suggest women shouldn't show me the goods.

Fluffis
24th Aug 2010, 01:04
If it's her "real beauty", then how come, once you see her really "in da fresh", it's no good? Either you don't understand the meaning of the word "real", or you're a closet queer who doesn't even know it. :D

Seriously though, I do appreciate what you're saying, and it's mostly correct. But I'll fight till my dying breath against sentiments that suggest women shouldn't show me the goods.

Think back to when you were a little kid... what part of opening Christmas presents was more exciting: Waiting to open them, opening them or seeing them opened, and realizing that all you'd gotten was a pair of socks...? ;)

Edit: I don't mean that as sexist as I realized it could be interpreted. :D

Pinky_Powers
24th Aug 2010, 02:25
Think back to when you were a little kid... what part of opening Christmas presents was more exciting: Waiting to open them, opening them or seeing them opened, and realizing that all you'd gotten was a pair of socks...? ;)

Edit: I don't mean that as sexist as I realized it could be interpreted. :D

lol.

You dirty pig.

For me, I always liked late Christmas morning, after I'd opened my present and found it was a beautiful naked woman. :cool:

Fluffis
24th Aug 2010, 02:29
lol.

You dirty pig.

For me, I always liked late Christmas morning, after I'd opened my present and found it was a beautiful naked woman. :cool:

Yeah, right. :p

mad825
24th Aug 2010, 03:28
snip
the main levels of Sexulisation in the gaming industry was thanks to Eidos, Tomb Raider (#1) did try very hard to appeal to the males for the sex factor even more so, It succeeded big time (it sold almost 8 million units and #2 sold sold around 6-7 million) and like any other succession, everyone follows suite because it sells.
As Tomb Raider was such a great success the trend that appeals to "teenaged males" has continued to this very day.
there has been other "Sex" games before Tomb raider which has had little to no impact on they way that games were targeted
Well there is more to it than the Gaming industry, it's also a social factor. there is a lack of acceptance within the female side of society due to self-conditioning, this may not be due only to western culture , but becuase of Asian culture as well, Japan to be exact. Japan has very sexist content in their games compared to the modern world which has been popping-up in the last decade (2000s) as they are of course now infamous for exploiting females in games, such examples are:

Rapelay
final Fantasy (around 7-12 I would say)
Dead or Alive (series)

and so forth....

A poll was taken at the Thief 4 forum:
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=95809
Personally, If I were to judge that poll like any piece of research, I'd either dismissed it or noted heavily on my evaluation that most of the user that voted may have been temp/fake accounts (as there are some users with >50 posts and >4 months of being registered occurring with the poll's closure which now seemed to be inactive) which could indicate fabrication as it may be very inaccurate because lack of verification as well.

I think you're selling them short here, they did add a floral pattern to Adam's trenchcoat, didn't they? Eidos Montreal is taking strides to make their games attractive to female audiences.
I don't know however I dont really count any game that hasn't been classed as the "final product" due to the flexibility on changing very minor things like the skins also it's best to try to avoid the whole "pink is for girls and blue is for boys" thing as it's more of an individual trait, things like making AJ (males) containing "manly" and the females more feminine based on traits such as the body structure,voice, clothing types (material,length,tight/looseness, skin exposures, ect) and of course how they are treated via story/plot wise

avenging_teabag
24th Aug 2010, 04:28
I don't know however I dont really count any game that hasn't been classed as the "final product" due to the flexibility on changing very minor things like the skins also it's best to try to avoid the whole "pink is for girls and blue is for boys" thing as it's more of an individual trait, things like making AJ (males) containing "manly" and the females more feminine based on traits such as the body structure,voice, clothing types (material,length,tight/looseness, skin exposures, ect) and of course how they are treated via story/plot wise
Umm... I was joking. Apologies if it came out the wrong way. :)

neilthecellist
24th Aug 2010, 06:46
Seven pages and no screenies of beautiful women? Thread fail! :lol:

xsamitt
24th Aug 2010, 11:48
I agree......someone post some beauties.:thumb:

luminar
24th Aug 2010, 16:27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Miley_Cyrus_@_2010_Academy_Awards_(cropped).jpg Nooooo! Do not want!

JCpies
24th Aug 2010, 17:39
Well, I think I should start off, she's smoking!!! I don't know her name though, anyone care to share?


http://waste5minutes.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/ugly_person.jpg

What a babe!

Damn, was gonna do a spoiler, doesn't work though.

luminar
24th Aug 2010, 17:42
What a shame.

JCpies
24th Aug 2010, 17:45
What a shame.

What a rotten way to get turned on.

xsamitt
24th Aug 2010, 17:46
I will stay single forever after seeing this.I'm actually eating and started to feel like throwing up.

luminar
24th Aug 2010, 17:48
What a rotten way to get turned on.

Lol! Wookie fetish!

JCpies
24th Aug 2010, 17:50
I will stay single forever after seeing this.I'm actually eating and started to feel like throwing up.

Do a barrel roll!

Fluffis
24th Aug 2010, 18:02
Well, I think I should start off, she's smoking!!! I don't know her name though, anyone care to share?


http://waste5minutes.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/ugly_person.jpg

What a babe!

Damn, was gonna do a spoiler, doesn't work though.

What the hell? Did I just get castrated?

xsamitt
24th Aug 2010, 18:11
ladies Night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1oU9_hy3mA&feature=related

hem dazon 90
24th Aug 2010, 18:44
All I know is this game better have Arab women!

Ilves
24th Aug 2010, 18:51
But it does! :)

Shralla
24th Aug 2010, 19:17
Women are all very concerned that women in video games are all attractive with big breasts (or not, depending on the game).

Nobody ever realizes that every single male character in games is covered head to toe in flawlessly rippling muscles, often run around shirtless to show off this fact, and are in many other ways the visible representation of everything a stereotypical "man" is supposed to be.

I don't know about you guys, but I weigh 135 pounds and my nose is just a tad oversized.

Angel-A
24th Aug 2010, 19:24
^ Muscled does not necessarily mean attractive. Like I said before, there's a difference between being nice to look at and just appearing super tough or cooler-than-thou (scary looking guy=do not ever want).
As long as there isn't disparity between how nice the men and women look, it doesn't bother me. Just don't like when things are all male fantasy fuel.




All a hard-core game really needs to do is catch the essence of Twilight in a game and there would be a huge influx of girl gamers.
No, just no.
All right, Twi-fans are probably not in the same group as shooter fans... That, and a signifigant portion of females don't care much for Twilight, and there is a 99.8% chance that any girl who does not like Twilight is actually one that hates it with burning rage. So, yeah...


I don't think it's a matter of making games attractive to females. That kind of thinking leads to abominations like "Cooking mama" and "Barbie: Horse Adventures". It's more about stopping games that are so obviously made to be attractive only to males.

Really, all games need to do is stop being so stupidly over-the-top balls-out MACHO all the time. Just having a female protagonist, turning down the testosterone-pumped dialogue, not having huge limb-splattering gore all over the damn place all the time. We don't need to tone down the adventurousness of games: Just the testosterone.
Cutesy games like those are going to appeal to a particular type of female, can't see anyone playing those and then jumping straight to hardcore things like COD or L4D. :whistle:
As I see it, there's only a certain portion of girls who will ever be interested by shooters and RPGs, but definitely a large factor in how many will show up to play is whether or not they make the game actually appealing to females. Violence and gore aren't a problem for me unless it's just grotesque, though I can see how it might be an issue. For the rest, I would definitely agree: Macho fests made only to to draw in men are not going to even out the gender ratios. The thing here is that they are made to draw in men and not women.
A prominent factor is how the game and how the world is set out for the protagonist is made from a purely male-appealing point of view. Stuff like that makes a game that much more enjoyable for a guy, but doesn't add any extra interest or appeal for a girl. Basically, it's strictly something a guy would like to see, while meaningless/annoying/off-putting to a girl.
Game has many beautiful women? And features ways a male gamer might want to interact with those women? And this only would ever appeal to A Guy?
Hope that makes sense. :p


So really noone knows of any hardcore rpg or shooter fans who are girls?
*cough*

luminar
24th Aug 2010, 19:29
No, just no.
All right, Twi-fans are probably not in the same group as shooter fans... That, and a signifigant portion of females don't care much for Twilight, and there is a 99.8% chance that any girl who does not like Twilight is actually one that hates it with burning rage. So, yeah...


Cutesy games like those are going to appeal to a particular type of female, can't see anyone playing those and then jumping straight to hardcore things like COD or L4D. :whistle:
As I see it, there's only a certain portion of girls who will ever be interested by shooters and RPGs, but definitely a large factor in how many will show up to play is whether or not they make the game actually appealing to females. Violence and gore aren't a problem for me unless it's just grotesque, though I can see how it might be an issue. For the rest, I would definitely agree: Macho fests made only to to draw in men are not going to even out the gender ratios. The thing here is that they are made to draw in men and not women.
A prominent factor is how the game and how the world is set out for the protagonist is made from a purely male-appealing point of view. Stuff like that makes a game that much more enjoyable for a guy, but doesn't add any extra interest or appeal for a girl. Basically, it's strictly something a guy would like to see, while meaningless/annoying/off-putting to a girl.
Game has many beautiful women? And features ways a male gamer might want to interact with those women? And this only would ever appeal to A Guy?
Hope that makes sense. :p


*cough*

Well I guess we got one. Lol!

Shralla
24th Aug 2010, 21:20
^ Muscled does not necessarily mean attractive.

No, but neither does "big breasts." However, much like big breasts, muscles on men are more or less universally accepted as a sign of attractiveness.


Like I said before, there's a difference between being nice to look at and just appearing super tough or cooler-than-thou (scary looking guy=do not ever want).
As long as there isn't disparity between how nice the men and women look, it doesn't bother me. Just don't like when things are all male fantasy fuel.

Well likewise, I'm not a huge fan of all the flopping and jiggling in games, because to be honest, I like them to be about the size of my hand, which is NOT at all what is typically represented in video games. But it's still somewhat the same thing, only the male version is done more to appeal to the side of guys that says "Man I really wish I was X" where in this case, X means muscular and sexy. Take Dead or Alive for example. Yeah, jiggle physics and women everywhere, but all the guys in that game are complete pretty boys with perfectly sculpted figures, as though Michelangelo's David just stepped into the game.

Though I would say that the whole "unrealistic bodily expectations for men" is less profound in video games than in other media, specifically movies. Man movies are the worst.

Ilves
24th Aug 2010, 21:30
I remember reading an article a while ago about guys' self esteem equally suffering from the over the top manliness put forward by games. Yeah, I think it's safe to assume it would have an impact. Maybe games are less threatening because they offer the boy a chance to step into a tough guy fantasy, whereas movies make him a powerless bystander?

Pinky_Powers
24th Aug 2010, 21:55
I remember reading an article a while ago about guys' self esteem equally suffering from the over the top manliness put forward by games. Yeah, I think it's safe to assume it would have an impact. Maybe games are less threatening because they offer the boy a chance to step into a tough guy fantasy, whereas movies make him a powerless bystander?

Movies and games make me Jack Bauer. I'm badass from head to toe... and also rather flabby from head to toe.

Irate_Iguana
24th Aug 2010, 21:57
Movies and games make me Jack Bauer. I'm badass from head to toe... and also rather flabby from head to toe.

Nah, dude. You are just too short for your weight.

Ilves
24th Aug 2010, 22:17
Movies and games make me Jack Bauer. I'm badass from head to toe... and also rather flabby from head to toe.

See? Muscle schmuscle. It's all about attitude. http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/7.gif

Pinky_Powers
24th Aug 2010, 22:50
See? Muscle schmuscle. It's all about attitude. http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/7.gif

You got that right, love. *wink*

I made myself blush just doing that.

:cool:

H.D.Case
24th Aug 2010, 23:39
No doubt women will play an important part - why would they put the woman screaming after falling Adam in the trailer anyway? Damn, maybe it is even her that we see as augmented round buttocks in another part of the trailer?
My idea of the plot is, let us see if I am right after the game gets released:
Adam and the girl are a couple. She works as a scientist, he is a bodyguard. One time some anti-aug radicals attack the facility and almost kill Adam. She gets desperate, thinks that he is dead. Some people revive him, but she does not know. She modifies herself- makes a machines out of herself, I mean. Goes on a crusade against the opponents of the new technology//"killers" of Adam. When they meet, she is already a fanatic. He can either join her and fight the "backward" rioters, or stand against her (and then we'd have moral dillema - stand by the woman we love or do what we think is right). What do you think? :D

PS. About: Mona Lisa Overdrive. In one part of the book two modified/remodified characters are talking. One says "sticks and stones" at some point, as a response to the accusation of being a completely remodified person, and soon after gives the other a sleep drug so that the other person falls asleep. Do you know if there is any relation to JC talking with Gunther? Intentional ofc. :P I am just wondering.

xsamitt
25th Aug 2010, 00:18
No, but neither does "big breasts." However, much like big breasts, muscles on men are more or less universally accepted as a sign of attractiveness.



Well likewise, I'm not a huge fan of all the flopping and jiggling in games, because to be honest, I like them to be about the size of my hand, which is NOT at all what is typically represented in video games. But it's still somewhat the same thing, only the male version is done more to appeal to the side of guys that says "Man I really wish I was X" where in this case, X means muscular and sexy. Take Dead or Alive for example. Yeah, jiggle physics and women everywhere, but all the guys in that game are complete pretty boys with perfectly sculpted figures, as though Michelangelo's David just stepped into the game.

Though I would say that the whole "unrealistic bodily expectations for men" is less profound in video games than in other media, specifically movies. Man movies are the worst.

Speak for yourself....You make scare young men into thinking big breasts aren't beautiful.:thumb::whistle:
Can't have that on my watch.:wave:

Pinky_Powers
25th Aug 2010, 01:22
Speak for yourself....You make scare young men into thinking big breasts aren't beautiful.:thumb::whistle:
Can't have that on my watch.:wave:

I'm actually a fan of small-to-medium sized breasts, myself. Large and extra-large just looks silly.

Jerion
25th Aug 2010, 01:30
I'm actually a fan of small-to-medium sized breasts, myself. Large and extra-large just looks silly.

Gotta say, I'm fond of a very particular set of 36Gs attached to a very special woman. :flowers:

pha
25th Aug 2010, 01:45
I'm actually a fan of small-to-medium sized breasts, myself. Large and extra-large just looks silly.

This guy knows.

Pinky_Powers
25th Aug 2010, 01:51
Gotta say, I'm fond of a very particular set of 36Gs attached to a very special woman. :flowers:

I actually damaged my Tomb Raider drawing (http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f310/Pinky_Powers/Pinky%20Art/LauraCroftF2.jpg) by shrinking her bust size to something less ridiculous. Everybody who ever saw it commented something to the effect... "that's not Lara Croft. Lara Croft's got big titties."

pha
25th Aug 2010, 02:00
I approve of that sketch. No woman, not even Lara needs to look like a Dutch cow to be attractive.

rokstrombo
25th Aug 2010, 04:26
I approve of that sketch. No woman, not even Lara needs to look like a Dutch cow to be attractive.

It sounds like you may be more interested in the upcoming Tomb Raider reboot featuring Larry Croft:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/287054/

JCpies
25th Aug 2010, 09:26
Guys and girls. It's not about wether the opposite sex have big boobs or a good personality. It's about wether they have money.

avenging_teabag
25th Aug 2010, 12:42
Jesus that picture upthread o_O. I will never unsee it. Sadists.

xsamitt
25th Aug 2010, 13:00
Guys and girls. It's not about wether the opposite sex have big boobs or a good personality. It's about wether they have money.

You sir are a smooth operator.