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Telekill
17th Jul 2010, 00:32
Congratulations Eidos / Crystal Dynamics... you've just alienated your Playstation fanbase!!!! What are you gonna do next!? (If you didn't get that via that it's text, it was sarcastic satire for winning the super bowl and going too Disneyland).

First... you give TR Underworld exclusive DLC on the 360 regardless that it was the PS1 and PS2 that made the TR series popular in the first place. Then your next Lara Croft game isn't even really Tomb Raider.

1. You give it a high 3rd person view similar to Diablo.
2. You have Lara (a solo adventurer in ALL of her past games) team up with an ancient GOD?!
3. You have it as download only!? WTH?!

That's three strikes right there... but oh no... you had to do your Playstation fanbase one better by making the game 360 exclusive for a month.

So I congratulate you Eidos / CD. You've alienated your Playstation fanbase. I will not be purchasing this game or any other future TR / Lara Croft game. I've been a fan since the very first game came out and have purchased all her console games... on Playstation systems.

I'm done with you guys and this series which you've officially ruined.

chriss_99
17th Jul 2010, 08:13
The period of exclusivity for Xbox 360 is a part of the promotion. You should understand that it's a big deal for Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light to be the part of Summer of Arcade. Microsoft, unlike Sony, is very excited about the game and wants to support it! What is wrong in that? It is not a permanent exclusivity, four weeks is not an eternity. I'm sure that people who are really looking forward to the game will manage to be a bit more patient.

As for the other strikes, Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light is a new approach to the TR series. It is not a full Tomb Raider game, that's why Tomb Raider is not in the title. Crystal Dynamics wanted to release an arcade game involving co-op mode, and Lara doesn't team up with an ancient GOD but with a Mayan Tribesman, Totec. :) I don't know if you have seen some footage from the game, but it sure looks cool. You ought to give it a try and you'll see how much fun it is.
As for the future of the Tomb Raider series, the other team in Crystal Dynamics are unofficially working on Tomb Raider 9 which will be the full game with 3rd person perspective and I'm sure it will be released on discs.
There's really no need to get upset about the whole xbox 360 exclusivity, it's a good promotion for the game.
Cheer up mate! :D

gregor1
18th Jul 2010, 01:01
You are so right Telekill... They are destroying all the franchise

_Love2Raid_
18th Jul 2010, 01:11
What about the PC players, are they less important? They were there at the beginning of it all as well, you know.

Considering the amount of interest Sony is showing towards TR lately (seems like almost none whatsover, they got their precious exclusive Uncharted now, right?), be glad it´s still coming to the PS3.

aussie500
18th Jul 2010, 09:34
Congratulations Eidos / Crystal Dynamics... you've just alienated your Playstation fanbase!!!! What are you gonna do next!? (If you didn't get that via that it's text, it was sarcastic satire for winning the super bowl and going too Disneyland).

First... you give TR Underworld exclusive DLC on the 360 regardless that it was the PS1 and PS2 that made the TR series popular in the first place. Then your next Lara Croft game isn't even really Tomb Raider.

1. You give it a high 3rd person view similar to Diablo.
2. You have Lara (a solo adventurer in ALL of her past games) team up with an ancient GOD?!
3. You have it as download only!? WTH?!

That's three strikes right there... but oh no... you had to do your Playstation fanbase one better by making the game 360 exclusive for a month.

So I congratulate you Eidos / CD. You've alienated your Playstation fanbase. I will not be purchasing this game or any other future TR / Lara Croft game. I've been a fan since the very first game came out and have purchased all her console games... on Playstation systems.

I'm done with you guys and this series which you've officially ruined.

Who are you to dictate what games Crystal Dynamics are allowed to make? So they want to make a successful game staring Lara Croft, that is not a Tomb Raider game and it is obviously not to your taste, big deal, your opinion is not going to be shared by too many gamers. We were told to expect the game late Summer, and 2 of the 3 platforms are getting it late summer, Microsoft were willing to not only release the game earlier but were actually enthusiastic enough to include GOL as one of the Summer of Arcade titles. Microsoft think GOL is something special, they are willing to invest their money in promoting the game and trying to get more people interested in playing it. Quite a contrast to some Tomb Raider fans who bad mouth the game without ever even playing it. So far we have got nothing but great reviews from those open minded enough to actually play the game before judging it.

Whatever Sony might have done in the past to ride on the success of Tomb Raider and sell more PS1's they obviously lost interest when they tried the same thing with AOD and it backfired, they were only willing to support Tomb Raider while it was successful enough to sell their consoles. 3 out of 9 Tomb Raider games were exclusive to Sony consoles, not even half. They were not the first console to have a Tomb Raider game, Sony jumped in late and got exclusives for TR2 and TR3. You want to buy a console just because it is made by Sony that is up to you, they have not always had the best version of the Tomb Raider games though, the Dreamcast versions were far superior to the PS1 versions. A lot of us updated to an XBox 360 in order to play the next gen Legend, but Sony fanboys were happy with the inferior PS2 version, that says something about what they were the fans of most.

Microsoft and their Xbox 360 being the newbies are willing to invest in Tomb Raider, Sony feel they no longer need to do anything to keep their Tomb Raider fans, they offer you nothing! And still you prefer playing the game on the PS3, which is no better graphically than the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 got the first Tomb Raider made for this generation of consoles, offered TRA early as DLC for Legend. Microsoft offered their Xbox 360 players exclusive DLC for TRU they were willing to go out of their way to provide. And yes they did it again with GOL, being willing to release the game early and promote it as part of their Summer of Arcade in order to get a timed exclusive. Sony has done nothing yet to compete against the Xbox 360, they will wait for Tomb Raider to become a hit again. It would serve them right if by that time the Xbox 360 did have more Tomb Raider players than the PS3.

And yes I will be playing the game mainly on my PS3, but that is only because they offer free online play. I will try it out on the Xbox 360, I find the service significantly better to justify the cost I will not hesitate to only buy TR9 for the Xbox 360. I will buy the Tomb Raider games for whatever console has the best version, I blindly follow no brand name. I am a Tomb Raider fan first!

kiss-bite
18th Jul 2010, 13:26
Sony have had the best days of Tomb Raider... it's rise to a phenomenon... mostly thanks to the Playstation & PC loyal TR fanbase. TR as a brand, helped sell & advertise a platform then & that has overall completely changed now. Sony, isn't it would seem that interested in TR as a brand anymore.. it hasn't been given any reason to be.

Those days of Tomb Raider being highly respected & truly critically acclaimed have past... it can never relive the days of it's rapid rise to fame. Sony & the PC have already had the best days of Tomb Raider, when it was actually seen as an important title. It's Microsoft's turn now with this Crystal D period... hmmm... :whistle:

For those that are in the delay group I would advise to tell yourselves that you're getting GOL anyway. Just accept it will be a little later... avoid the forums in order to avoid any spoilers & still enjoy the build up & the game itself... if you actually still buy it. ;)

I own both a PS3 & 360 but I shall wait for the PSN release nevertheless. I have so many more TR fans as friends on that system compared to those on the 360... which will be better for the co-op. I've been a fan & have supported TR since it began... it's seen better days... I truly hope that will change with GOL & more importantly with TRIX, to be seen as important again. :o :)

Leave Eidos/Crystal-D to dig their own hole & to face any consequences... if indeed there are any at all... time will reveal all? :hmm:

:wave:Please accept the delay... try not to react & just enjoy the game when it arrives. :thumb:

Ants_27_
18th Jul 2010, 13:58
You are so right Telekill... They are destroying all the franchise

But keeping the series the same will hurt it even more than a change. Actually, to me GOL looks more interesting to play than Underworld. In fact, this is --in away-- shown by the way people have embraced it and the nominations the games got. When did a TR game last get a positive reception?

But back to the topic - I am loving the idea she has a companion, some nice interaction that the series for me needs. Granted I'm the kinda person who loves change and would rather play it dangerously than safe so I suppose this helps my view out.:)

Raider126
18th Jul 2010, 15:55
I don't think that the Tomb Raider series has gone down. Crystal's Tomb Raider games are probably the best games I've played, and I really like that the company is trying out new ideas, and especially with Multiplayer, now fans can play together.

Going back to the second player. I don't believe the character was ever created to challenge Lara Croft, and it was a good choice for a second player. Plus, it has been mentioned before that there is a single player option in the game, the player isn't forced to play with someone else.

In the end, the game is about £10, which is a good price for a game that lasts several hours, and has a single player and multiplayer function. I've played Popcap games that were more expensive and shorter then this game. In my opinion think you're going to be losing out for abandoning the series now. And I'm a PC owner. I'm in the same boat as you, we just have to wait a few extra weeks to play a game.

TF.Denis
19th Jul 2010, 03:47
well..cd thought it's much easier to work on 360 because it's a dvd system..ps3 is a blue ray system which needs 4 times more work on because of the space of the blue ray discs..so they just made the games based on 360's..as for uncharted naughty dog made it clear that the tiny space of the dvds doesn't support uncharted by far..that explains why uncharted is such a great game and it's not about exclusiveness..it's about that ps3 is more powerful and 360 can't support uncharted..as for tr now i say yes..but it's cd fault not sony's..guys the answer is oblivious..it's just this (blue ray against dvd's?? come on now! they just don't like to work more on the game..

Pyrofer
19th Jul 2010, 13:08
As for the game being downloadable only, I can only say !YAY!
I am SO over the need for lots of disks cluttering up my house. I play the downloaded games much more than the disc games because they mean getting up, finding the disk, putting it in etc rather than just, turn on, play.
MORE Downloadable full games please! Its better for the environment too. Cheaper to retail, and that means cheaper end game prices.
Only people who lose is the local Game/blockbuster and as the previous owner of an independent game shop put out of business by Blockbuster opening next door, I give them their own advice back, if you cant compete, tough!

Telekill
19th Jul 2010, 14:52
Aussie... TR has had EVERY console game be on a Playstation system. That shows to me that Sony has supported it. I've also purchased EVERY TR game for said Playstation systems. So yeah... the Playstation and PC userbase are getting screwed over. Sorry you cant see that.


well..cd thought it's much easier to work on 360 because it's a dvd system..ps3 is a blue ray system which needs 4 times more work on because of the space of the blue ray discs..so they just made the games based on 360's...

I dont think you understand what you're saying. A blank DVD and a blank Blu-ray are basically just digital storage space. Blu-ray's hold a lot more space than a DVD, and considering that Eidos / Crystal Dynamics have in fact made PS3 games, we know they have access to Blu-ray disc burners. That's really all they need.

Which btw... the game is download only. :hmm:

lilhanhan
19th Jul 2010, 16:26
Aussie... TR has had EVERY console game be on a Playstation system. That shows to me that Sony has supported it. I've also purchased EVERY TR game for said Playstation systems. So yeah... the Playstation and PC userbase are getting screwed over. Sorry you cant see that.


Actually Aussie is correct, sure Tomb Raider has continued to be released on Sony consoles but since the whole phenomenon died down they haven't gone out of their way to support the franchise. It's been Microsoft who have been helping with the ad campaigns and exclusivity deals (which in turn helps to finance the developers) for Underworld and with the special "Summer of Arcade" event they're helping to promote Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light to a wider audience.

Actually come to think of it TR4 was in fact supported by Sega as well as Sony, and the Dreamcast version got improved graphics, sound as well as getting a few exclusive extras too. Also like Microsoft, Sega were the ones helping with the ad campaigns, so it's not like this hasn't happened before.

Oh and Sega originally made a deal to release the original TR on the Saturn a month earlier than anyone else, so the more you know!

Microsoft's tactics are no different to what Sony did with TR2 and 3 (and what Sega did with TR1 and TR4) so I don't see why you're so angry. If you're so disappointed about all this take it out on Sony for not showing much interested in the series anymore.

kiss-bite
19th Jul 2010, 16:33
Yes, TR was released on Saturn which quickly disappeared.. Tomb Raider's rapid rise in popularity wasn't until it was on the PC & Sony Playstation... ;)

lilhanhan
19th Jul 2010, 16:51
Yes, TR was released on Saturn which quickly disappeared.. Tomb Raider's rapid rise in popularity wasn't until it was on the PC & Sony Playstation... ;)

Oh I know that but still I was just pointing out that throughout the years, quite a few companies have supported the series with timed exclusives and what have you. I respect Sony for helping TR become quite popular in the 90's but at the same time you can't exactly be angry when another company decides to show support for the series after the other one decides to move on. This sort of thing isn't new especially when it comes to Tomb Raider, as I've mentioned in my previous post.

Sure it may be a inconvenience for some but at least it's only a timed exclusive. Just imagine how Saturn owners felt when Sony made sure that only the Playstation (and PC) owners could get the future titles up until The Last Revelation. Sony may have supported the franchise back then but they've decided not to now and that's the important thing.

(Oh and before anyone says this post is biased because I'm a 360 owner, I grew up with the Playstaion, Dreamcast and PS2 so I've never been devoted to one console or company...I would also love to own a PS3 as well. And even if I didn't own a 360 I would still feel the same way and be grateful that Microsoft has decided to support the series because someone has to!). :)

kiss-bite
19th Jul 2010, 17:31
I understood your point quite well... I also understand this partnership from an immediate business stand point...;) Like I said...


Sony have had the best days of Tomb Raider... it's rise to a phenomenon... mostly thanks to the Playstation & PC loyal TR fanbase. TR as a brand, helped sell & advertise a platform then & that has overall completely changed now. Sony, isn't it would seem that interested in TR as a brand anymore.. it hasn't been given any reason to be.

Those days of Tomb Raider being highly respected & truly critically acclaimed have past... it can never relive the days of it's rapid rise to fame. Sony & the PC have already had the best days of Tomb Raider, when it was actually seen as an important title. It's Microsoft's turn now with this Crystal D period... hmmm... :whistle:

For those that are in the delay group I would advise to tell yourselves that you're getting GOL anyway. Just accept it will be a little later... avoid the forums in order to avoid any spoilers & still enjoy the build up & the game itself... if you actually still buy it. ;)

I own both a PS3 & 360 but I shall wait for the PSN release nevertheless. I have so many more TR fans as friends on that system compared to those on the 360... which will be better for the co-op. I've been a fan & have supported TR since it began... it's seen better days... I truly hope that will change with GOL & more importantly with TRIX, to be seen as important again. :o :)

Leave Eidos/Crystal-D to dig their own hole & to face any consequences... if indeed there are any at all... time will reveal all? :hmm:

:wave:Please accept the delay... try not to react & just enjoy the game when it arrives. :thumb:

lilhanhan
19th Jul 2010, 18:10
I did read your post but because I was too determined to explain my previous point more clearly I forgot to explain that my last post wasn't generally aimed at you (although to be fair I did use your quote) but it was just to explain in more depth how Sony took TR away from Sega so it's not like Eidos haven't switched companies for exclusivity deals before. Sorry for any confusion. :o

kiss-bite
19th Jul 2010, 18:31
No need to apologise... I should have really also indicated that I understood your line of thought in my response to your original post. :o ;)

Portal Croft
19th Jul 2010, 19:01
Puts , eu acho ridiculo isso que vocês estão fazendo , apenas 4 semanas de diferença , e uma parceria , ou seja , tem que ser comprido , eu tenho o Xbox 360 e concordo com essas 4 semanas XD

jhngyu
19th Jul 2010, 21:30
Puts , eu acho ridiculo isso que vocês estão fazendo , apenas 4 semanas de diferença , e uma parceria , ou seja , tem que ser comprido , eu tenho o Xbox 360 e concordo com essas 4 semanas XD


Eu acho ridiculo as 4 semanas de diferença :p
Não tenho xbox e honestamente não está nos meus futuros planos.

Tenho TR apenas para pc. E este também irá ser.
Mas sinceramente não acho justo , mas pronto :p




(i think its ridiculous this four weeks apart
i dont have an xbox and honestly its not in my future plans
I have TR only for pc, and this it will be the same
But truly i dont think its fair ... oh well)

aussie500
20th Jul 2010, 02:47
Yes, TR was released on Saturn which quickly disappeared.. Tomb Raider's rapid rise in popularity wasn't until it was on the PC & Sony Playstation... ;)

Actually a lot of TR1's early advertising and promotion work was done by Sega and all the previews and reviews done of the Sega version of the game. Sony (USA I think, although it could have been EU) initially did not even want that game, they turned it down. Sega fans were very enthusiastic about Tomb Raider and everyone was looking forward to playing Tomb Raider 2 on the Sega Saturn, till Sony stepped in and got their exclusive for TR2 and TR3. The only reason people associate Tomb Raider with Sony more is because of that exclusive deal, otherwise the Tomb Raider games would have been available on every platform capable of playing it, just like it is now. No not everyone had a PS1, some chose Nintendo or Sega consoles, the early Tomb Raider games would have sold well no matter what platform they were released on, so I doubt Sony were really doing Tomb Raider any favours trying to keep the franchise to themselves. At least Microsoft is not asking for the games themselves to be exclusive, they are just trying to undercut the sales of the PS3 version by offering extra incentives to buy the 360 version.

A little healthy competition (if Sony ever regain interest) is only going to be to our advantage, especially for those with both consoles. Whether some get the game early, or some get something extra that would otherwise not be available it does not seem a reason to complain to me, be jealous maybe yes. They both offer us different incentives it would be even better. It is like retailers trying to get you to buy the game from them by offering pre-order extras, really did anyone ever complain about something someone else was offering, just because they could not get it, for being in the wrong state, or wrong country? If 2 game retailers offered really good incentives in your area do you not think they both sold more copies of the game as fans tried to get everything? Did the fans have cause to complain someone was willing to pay to have these extra incentives? The retailers pay for those pre-order goodies themselves, just to try and get more to buy the game from their stores, rather than someone else. The competition is no different with PSN and XBL. Unfortunately it seems no one is that interested in trying to tempt the PC fans, and at least for the moment Sony is not worried about Microsoft getting yet more Tomb Raider fans. You watch that change if TR9 sells 5 million in the first month, wave some money in front of Sony and they will quickly jump on the Tomb Raider band wagon again. The Uncharted games are different enough they would not worry that much about promoting Tomb Raider more if they thought they could make a lot of money out of it.

kiss-bite
20th Jul 2010, 12:07
Firstly... no matter which way you wish to spin it, the fact still remains that the first Tomb Raider game did not sell a huge amount until it was on the Playstation & PC. The combination of both, Tomb Raider (revolutionary new 3D game) & Playstation (The big brand new console on the block), was beneficial to one another. I believe this partnership contributed somewhat to the sales of both products. I also believe that Nintendo may have not been overly interested due to very strict guidelines on what was published on that system, at that time. I think the Playstation's success was because it widened the gaming demographic & type of content it provided.

Microsoft, would have to offer a great deal I imagine for Eidos to consider full 360 exclusivity. I doubt it has anything to do with MS being all fair & moral... More like Eidos not wanting to cut Tomb Raider sales by over half & at the same time potentially losing half of the fanbase... but hey, this is Eidos we're talking about so who knows..? :lol:

Secondly, if you had read what I had previously said you would also know that I understand this new MS partnership... from an immediate business standpoint. Sony & PC have already had the best days of the Tomb Raider brand, when it was considered as hot property, & now it's obviously Microsoft's turn. Like I said before in my original post, it would seem that Sony isn't interested in Tomb Raider beyond the call of duty. They have no reason to be sadly as it stands... & the PS3 still gets it at the end of the day regardless.

I hope to see Tomb Raider taken in a more serious way once again, genuinely critically & truly by the audience (fans & most importantly none fans). Maybe... just maybe, GOL & more crucially Tomb Raider IX is hopefully a step in that positive brand building direction. In TR forums all criticism is often misunderstood... immediately interpreted as an attack when in fact some can also be from a place of respect... Respect for Tomb Raider, not Sony, Eidos or Microsoft & so forth... simply Tomb Raider itself. A place from which one desperately wants & desires to see Tomb Raider at the top of it's game. If TRIX following after GOL got the attention of Sony again, regardless of the outcome, I would see that as a great sign for the future of theTomb Raider brand. ;)

Thirdly... as you should know if you had taken the time to really read my comment, I don't think this exclusive 360 period should effect anyone's anticipation: I try to strike a balance between logic, business side, & fan stand point, feeling & reaction, when expressing what I think. I'm lucky in the sense that I have a choice being an an owner of a PS3 & 360. However, I shall still choose the PS3 version of GOL, primarily down to knowing many more TR fans on the PS3. The co-op mode in GOL is what interests me about the game, so for me personally, I will get the best GOL experience on the PS3 because I know more TR fans on that system.

Like I previously conveyed & still stand by: :wave:

"For those that are in the delay group I would advise to tell yourselves that you're getting GOL anyway. Just accept it will be a little later... avoid the forums in order to avoid any spoilers & still enjoy the build up & the game itself... if you actually still buy it. Leave Eidos/Crystal-D to dig their own hole & to face any consequences... if indeed there are any at all... Please simply accept the delay... try not to react & just enjoy the game when it arrives." :thumb:

chriss_99
20th Jul 2010, 12:39
Sony & PC have already had the best days of the Tomb Raider brand, when it was considered as hot property, & now it's obviously Microsoft's turn.

I wouldn't be so pessimistic. Let's not forget that Sony PlayStation also played a part in Tomb Raider series downfall. Rumour has it that Sony was rushing Eidos and because of that Core Design was rushed by its publisher. I think we all know how it affected AOD, don't we?
Let us hope that a much brighter future is yet to come for Lara, because she well deserves it.


I'm lucky in the sense that I have a choice being an an owner of a PS3 & 360. However, I shall still choose the PS3 version of GOL, primarily down to knowing many more TR fans on the PS3.

Someone's getting repetitive. :rolleyes:
I thought that Tomb Raider is the most important and not the platform you are playing it on. Something tells me that there's something more to it than just the amount of friends on PSN.

_Love2Raid_
20th Jul 2010, 14:12
So if TR got big because of Sony's support, does that mean they have the exclusive rights to the series no matter what? Even if their support seems to be completely gone or at least outshined by Microsoft's?

That's just ridiculous. It reeks of fanboyism if you ask me.

kiss-bite
20th Jul 2010, 14:43
:rolleyes: You two didn't read what I said at all.. & then processed it, did you... I guess the mind does see exactly what it wants to see. :lol: I would explain why you've chosen to misunderstand but hey... I'd be just repeating myself... unlike others... ;)

Awaits incoming... :whistle:

Pulse
20th Jul 2010, 14:53
I wouldn't blame Eidos or CD. If Sony isnt interestedin TR than another company who is should get exclusives and earlier release dates, etc.

As for the new view, stop complaining about it. Every preview I've seen has been positive and praised the game. The Core fans are so close-minded: the 90's arent coming back.if TR was like that, it not even be able to compete with the games of today.

chriss_99
20th Jul 2010, 15:21
:rolleyes: You two didn't read what I said at all.. & then processed it, did you... I guess the mind does see exactly what it wants to see. :lol: I would explain why you've chosen to misunderstand but hey... I'd be just repeating myself... unlike others... ;)

Awaits incoming... :whistle:

If there are at least three people here who, as you say, don't understand what you're writing, who do you think is to blame? ;)
My suggestion is to write what you are thinking and not the opposite.

Telekill
21st Jul 2010, 02:17
Actually come to think of it TR4 was in fact supported by Sega as well as Sony, and the Dreamcast version got improved graphics, sound as well as getting a few exclusive extras too. Also like Microsoft, Sega were the ones helping with the ad campaigns, so it's not like this hasn't happened before.


While a lot of what you said is interesting. TRLR was first released on the PS1. It was later released on the Dremacast with the improved graphics, sound and extras because the PS1 wasn't capable of such graphics or sound capabilities. Dreamcast was the first of the following generation after PS1.

Dont get me wrong, I love Sega and purchased a Dreamcast on launch day (9.9.99), but you should know that the Dreamcast was a lot more powerful then the PS1. Many games were ported from PS1 to Dreamcast with enhanced visuals including TR Chronicles, Dino Crisis 1, Resident Evil 2 and 3... etc... etc.

lilhanhan
21st Jul 2010, 07:10
While a lot of what you said is interesting. TRLR was first released on the PS1. It was later released on the Dremacast with the improved graphics, sound and extras because the PS1 wasn't capable of such graphics or sound capabilities. Dreamcast was the first of the following generation after PS1.

Dont get me wrong, I love Sega and purchased a Dreamcast on launch day (9.9.99), but you should know that the Dreamcast was a lot more powerful then the PS1. Many games were ported from PS1 to Dreamcast with enhanced visuals including TR Chronicles, Dino Crisis 1, Resident Evil 2 and 3... etc... etc.

Yes I know why the game was improved for the Dreamcast but at the same time they could have just done a bog standard port. My main point was that Sega helped to promote the original TR and TR:LR so it wasn't like Sony was doing all the hard work before; and yes Sony are well known for their exclusivity deal with TR2-3 and AoD but there have been times when other hardware companies have wanted to promote the series for their console as well.

That's why I don't fully understand all the Sony fans who are angry at the fact that someone else has now took interest in the series. I understand that you're used to TR and Playstation being associated with one another but the series wasn't always yours to begin with and Sony don't seem all too bothered about the new deal with Microsoft affecting them right now; so what gives you the right to say that this new timed deal is going to ruining the franchise just because waiting a little while for the PS3 version is a tiny inconvenience for you?

I've never complained when some of my other favourite franchises have moved to other consoles for a while, I've just needed to put up with it! ^.^;

Telekill
21st Jul 2010, 23:46
What gives me the right...?

Well, the short of it is, I'm a long time fan. I've been with the series on Playstation since the very first game and have given the company, literally, hundreds of dollars to play Tomb Raider. I dont like the way GoL looks or the concept. It's not Tomb Raider on any level in my opinion other than the fact that Lara is in it.

If we as the fans of the series dont voice our opinions (and that's all this really is), then the company wont know what we want. For Underworld and GoL, I've felt as if Playstation users have been shafted, and thus being a Playstation user, I've felt kinda like I got a slap in the face merely for enjoying their games. Numerous PS3 fans have asked time and again for the DLC for Underworld and all we got was a Trophy update, which took them forever to release.

My statement of not purchasing this or any other TR game is really to say that I will not purchase GoL at all, and will not purchase a brand new copy of any other TR game. I will however buy the TR games in the future, used. Thus, Eidos/CD will not see a penny from me. The only way it seems for a compny like Eidos to understand that we as fans using a PS3 are serious, is with our money. If they dont see our money then one of two things will happen:

1. They'll see that we're pissed and maybe rethink their exclusivity BS.

2. They'll ignore us and possibly have TR go complete exclusive to Xbox. If they choose this option, then that will simply be it for me and the series as I will never buy an Xbox. I will also not buy any other Eidos / CD game released.

And before you guys go on to say (or reitterate) that I should be angry with Sony and start yelling at them... in the end... the decision lies with Eidos. Sony shouldn't have too throw money at them in order to get this content because of how much both Sony and Tomb Raider helped eachother in the past. It should be a no brainer on Eidos's part.

aussie500
22nd Jul 2010, 02:26
What gives me the right...?

Well, the short of it is, I'm a long time fan. I've been with the series on Playstation since the very first game and have given the company, literally, hundreds of dollars to play Tomb Raider. I dont like the way GoL looks or the concept. It's not Tomb Raider on any level in my opinion other than the fact that Lara is in it.

If we as the fans of the series dont voice our opinions (and that's all this really is), then the company wont know what we want. For Underworld and GoL, I've felt as if Playstation users have been shafted, and thus being a Playstation user, I've felt kinda like I got a slap in the face merely for enjoying their games. Numerous PS3 fans have asked time and again for the DLC for Underworld and all we got was a Trophy update, which took them forever to release.

My statement of not purchasing this or any other TR game is really to say that I will not purchase GoL at all, and will not purchase a brand new copy of any other TR game. I will however buy the TR games in the future, used. Thus, Eidos/CD will not see a penny from me. The only way it seems for a compny like Eidos to understand that we as fans using a PS3 are serious, is with our money. If they dont see our money then one of two things will happen:

1. They'll see that we're pissed and maybe rethink their exclusivity BS.

2. They'll ignore us and possibly have TR go complete exclusive to Xbox. If they choose this option, then that will simply be it for me and the series as I will never buy an Xbox. I will also not buy any other Eidos / CD game released.

And before you guys go on to say (or reitterate) that I should be angry with Sony and start yelling at them... in the end... the decision lies with Eidos. Sony shouldn't have too throw money at them in order to get this content because of how much both Sony and Tomb Raider helped eachother in the past. It should be a no brainer on Eidos's part.

This is not a Tomb Raider game, it is something different, just like Tomb Raider 1 was back in 1996. If gamers chucked a hissy fit every time a developer made a game different to their previous ones there would not be that much variety in our gaming. If you do not like GOL that is fine, I am sure you do not like a lot of games, do you go abusing all the developers of every game you do not want to play? No the PS3 fanbase is hardly going to be alienated they get a chance to play a great game, you might be, that is your decision. GOL will have no effect on TR9 if they were planning on including any online modes with the main game they are already developing that. No the camera in TR9 is not going to be isometric so why complain GOL is going to ruin Tomb Raider. GOL is a spin off and is not meant to be exactly the same as the Tomb raider games, Crystal Dynamics want to actually make something innovative and more fun, something to appeal to more than just Tomb Raider fans. Why do you you think just about everyone interviewed has explained GOL is not a Tomb Raider game. I am sure Core Design would have felt just as disappointed if all their fans had complained TR1 was not Rick Dangerous. How dare they make a similar game with a woman and some third person camera stuck to her arse, yes all the fans of Rick Dangerous would have looked pretty dumb missing out on Tomb Raider because they were upset it was not what they wanted to play. Being new and innovative does not mean it is not good to play, just means it is different and you have to wait to judge if you are going to like it or not. Maybe a lot judged Tomb Raider as something for the boys since the proportions of Lara suggested that, but the gameplay was great no matter what they might have thought about Lara. Personally I doubt many Rick Dangerous fans were complaining, they could see it was obviously not a Rick Dangerous game, even though it was similar enough they would like it. Just like a lot of Tomb Raider fans will like GOL, Lara is still doing a lot of things she does in the Tomb Raider games, we are just playing the game a different way.

The only way Microsoft is going to be the sole console the Tomb Raider games are released on is if the sales for the PS3 version are that lousy it is no longer worth making it for the PS3. It is up to the fans to make sure that does not happen. The PC players have always had the games no matter what exclusive contracts there were, although eventually there might be a time the poor sales for the PC version affect the decision to continue with that.

As to TRU DLC we were told it was an exclusive that Microsoft arrange to be made, so no they are not going to be letting Sony get their hands on it. We were told it was exclusive and that is not likely to change, even if there is a limit on the period it is exclusive, and even if Sony ever got enthusiastic enough to want it, there is not much point doing dlc years after the game has been released and most players have lost interest in the game.

GeorgeMaciver
22nd Jul 2010, 07:36
It's a little unfair bringing the guys and gals who work for Eidos and Crystal Dynamics into this. Their hearts are in the game and in the players.

This was a Board decision. They think they are so clever in the big fancy world of business and finance, but they are nothing more than cheap gamblers with no understanding of customer relations whatsoever. They are responsible for the untold lost millions in revenue the TR franchise should have had since 1995 and didn't get because of their ridiculous, small minded, selfish decisions.

The board are also quick to blame others and fire good employees for bad decisions the Board made.

lilhanhan
22nd Jul 2010, 10:35
What gives me the right...?

Well, the short of it is, I'm a long time fan. I've been with the series on Playstation since the very first game and have given the company, literally, hundreds of dollars to play Tomb Raider. I dont like the way GoL looks or the concept. It's not Tomb Raider on any level in my opinion other than the fact that Lara is in it.

If we as the fans of the series dont voice our opinions (and that's all this really is), then the company wont know what we want. For Underworld and GoL, I've felt as if Playstation users have been shafted, and thus being a Playstation user, I've felt kinda like I got a slap in the face merely for enjoying their games. Numerous PS3 fans have asked time and again for the DLC for Underworld and all we got was a Trophy update, which took them forever to release.

My statement of not purchasing this or any other TR game is really to say that I will not purchase GoL at all, and will not purchase a brand new copy of any other TR game. I will however buy the TR games in the future, used. Thus, Eidos/CD will not see a penny from me. The only way it seems for a compny like Eidos to understand that we as fans using a PS3 are serious, is with our money. If they dont see our money then one of two things will happen:

1. They'll see that we're pissed and maybe rethink their exclusivity BS.

2. They'll ignore us and possibly have TR go complete exclusive to Xbox. If they choose this option, then that will simply be it for me and the series as I will never buy an Xbox. I will also not buy any other Eidos / CD game released.

And before you guys go on to say (or reitterate) that I should be angry with Sony and start yelling at them... in the end... the decision lies with Eidos. Sony shouldn't have too throw money at them in order to get this content because of how much both Sony and Tomb Raider helped eachother in the past. It should be a no brainer on Eidos's part.

I understand your frustration but think about it, this sort of thing happens all the time with game franchises. Just because you've been lucky in the past by being a Playstation owner and getting all the exclusives back then doesn't mean you're still going to get everything received on a silver platter.

I'm all for voicing opinions but the way you've voiced yours is by not complaining on how it's unfair because you've not been able to get the DLC etc, but it's because you think you deserve everything more just because you're a Playstation owner. As you went on by saying why you deserve special treatment just because you've been a fan since the beginning your argument started to lose credibility. It became less about how the DLC and GoL should be equally available to all consoles and more about how you're having a tantrum just because a exclusivity deal hasn't worked to your advantage for a change.

Sure you've been a fan since the beginning (and I have to) but know this, they're not just catering for us, they also want new fans; and if Microsoft have been willing to help promote the series more openly I'm quite happy. You can still play the recent TR games on other consoles (unlike when Sony decided to make TR2-3 exclusive) so all is not lost.

Saying that you've been a fan since way back when and that you've stuck to one console doesn't get you anywhere, you don't receive special treatment and quite frankly the only person you've been loyal to is yourself.

Sony only wanted TR when it could help them to promote their original console; sure they helped each other out once but now it looks like Sony isn't bothered with the series anymore. Times have changed and they want to focus on promoting new flagship titles. You can try it deny it but it's the truth.

_Love2Raid_
23rd Jul 2010, 01:51
Well-said Lilhanhan! :thumb:

Telekill
23rd Jul 2010, 02:05
I'm not denying anything on Sony's part. They could indeed throw thousands of dollars at Eidos and keep the TR series equal on both platforms. I'm simply stating that I dont think they should have too with their past relationships.

Secondly, I have no problem with Microsoft having Tomb Raider or Lara Croft games. Not one issue with it... so long as Playstation owners get the same opportunities and content. Where you seem to think that I'm all about Playstation having Tomb Raider and all affiliate products only available on Sony systems... you couldn't be more wrong.

While I prefer the Playstation products, I've also owned the Nintendo systems and Sega systems that were available (with exception of N64). I personally dont like Microsoft or the Xbox brand and will never own an Xbox. That being said, if back in the day, TR 2, 3, and AoD were available on other systems, then great... I really have no issue with multiplatform games. Infact, I think that third party exclusives are idiotic this generation. Heck... put GoL on the Wii for all I care, but keep all the systems on the same level. Give all systems the same content.

In short... dont shaft anyone.

GeorgeMaciver
23rd Jul 2010, 07:15
The only folks they are shafting mate, is themselves. The Board are the ones who have to live with themselves. They are characterless if they are prostituting themselves to the ugliest fat sweaty dude on the block just because he has the fattest wallet.

mushroom079
23rd Jul 2010, 11:06
Telekill - don't buy it.
Miss out.
Your decision.

Shrugs.

But be sure to check out the demo.
If you DO BUY it - feel free to eat humble pie.

kiss-bite
23rd Jul 2010, 11:51
(unlike when Sony decided to make TR2-3 exclusive)

Exclusive...? The PC got the games & If I remember rightly, the Sega Saturn was already out of the game & Nintendo would have not been interested due to having a very strict policy on the content published for their N64...

This generation has changed gaming beyond the visual... things that may have been extras for completing a game, outfits & so forth, can now be charged for later. On the flip-side extra content can also be much more substantial so... Extra exclusive content for a "multiplatform" release will always inevitably annoy some... I don't like it when there's exclusive extras for a game that is aimed at every system regardless of what system actually gets the exclusives.

Error96_
25th Jul 2010, 00:21
GOL isn't TR9 so I am not that worried by it. I am annoyed that they are favouring X-box gamers over PC/PS3 TR gamers again though and really hope that stops. Is a good way to brass off half the fanbase and damage game oppinion outside of the game itself so not good really. Overall though on most things GOL I think it's looking great.

bedazzled
25th Jul 2010, 11:28
Yeah brassing off your established and loyal fanbase does not seem to be a good buisness idea.

lilhanhan
25th Jul 2010, 16:18
Exclusive...? The PC got the games & If I remember rightly, the Sega Saturn was already out of the game & Nintendo would have not been interested due to having a very strict policy on the content published for their N64...

This generation has changed gaming beyond the visual... things that may have been extras for completing a game, outfits & so forth, can now be charged for later. On the flip-side extra content can also be much more substantial so... Extra exclusive content for a "multi-platform" release will always inevitably annoy some... I don't like it when there's exclusive extras for a game that is aimed at every system regardless of what system actually gets the exclusives.

Console and PC gaming are generally considered two different things (the majority of games exclusive to a certain console are usually available for the PC as well) and the Saturn was discontinued in '98 as Burning Rangers was one of it's last releases which came out in that year, so TR2 could have been released on that platform. Also Core Design and Eidos released "Fighting Force" on the N64 (although it was about 2 years after the Playstation release) so Nintendo's policy couldn't have been that strict, that and the fact that the N64 era was when Nintendo tried to publish more games aimed at a older audience. Finally I believe that in the Gametap TRA documentary they mention a exclusivity deal with Sony.

I know it doesn't exactly seem that those two TR titles were exclusive seeing as PC gamers also got to play them and even managed to get extra levels, but I was strictly talking about console gaming. :)

Personally I'm not a big fan of exclusives and I never have been; but at the same time I do understand how they help the publishers and in turn their developers. I know that I sound like a broken record by saying this yet again but, exclusives are like a double edged sword. The developers benefit from the deals made which helps them to fund a bigger and better game, yet there's always going to be fans who are annoyed and in this case feel betrayed.


@Telekill

Like I said I understand your frustration and yes I do know that you own other consoles as you previously mention it. It's just that in your original posts the message that came across was that because you've bought every TR release on a Playstation console, you automatically assumed that Sony deserved the exclusives although they're currently showing no interest in securing any deals with Eidos at this point.

I just stated that things like this happen all the time with other franchises, so don't expect that just because you've been "loyal" by sticking to one console when buying each release that it would continue that way. It happened to me with the Resident Evil series.

(To anyone following on how many times I've mention the series lately, here's another one!)

I love the series and I do want to buy every game but I still don't own a Gamecube or a Wii; so I've never had the chance to play RE: 0 or the REmake. Did I ever rant about how it's unfair on me because I've bought every RE game on the Playstation so far; so that means Nintendo shouldn't have made a exclusivity deal with Capcom? Not really, I just accepted it.

I seriously understand your frustration but the games industry doesn't really work in a way were every console is equal or have equal amount of content. They always have to one up each other usually taking advantage of how publishers need certain funds to keep them up and running, it's how the business works (and yes it's always annoying and unfair to some).

And now I probably have to apologise for my long winded post. ^.^;

josh1122
28th Jul 2010, 06:24
I didn't read the entire thread but just have a message for the OP.

Would you like me to play you some violin?

ltshaunbrownuk
28th Jul 2010, 07:08
Why do you people have to argue about Sony, Microsoft and other things.

I belive that the game should be released the same on each console, yes maybe its 4 weeks early on the xbox market place to be in the summer arcade im sure this will increase sales figues due to the extra advertising, as you know the series has not been doing so well lately which fans should be trying to help increase these figures so maybe the company can make better games with the extra money. I really do not mind waiting its not like I will never be able to play it!

What people should be concerned about is, will playstation users get equivalent extras such as DLC'S, themes and maybe a playstation home environment. It should not matter if you own a playstation 3 or xbox 360 if you are a fan you want the extra content.

Xbox market place already have got a theme for The Guardian of Light, I hope PSN gets one soon XD im sure they must realise that will also add a little more buzz to the playstation version and make fans happy. An I belive since they are releasing it late on the PS3 this is a little something to keep us entertained untill release.

also as we know tomb raider underworld got extra DLC's on the xbox 360 which I belive will never be released on the playstation 3 (THATS LIKE 1H+ OF EXTRA GAMEPLAY AND CONTENT), I belive this is what fans on the playstation 3 crave for. If you are a true TR fan you should not have to go and purchase another console to get these extras (THATS WHATS A SLAP IN THE FACE) (E.G. if you go the shop to buy 2 of the exact same phones you expect them to be the same but if they give you one with 1/4 the storage size you take it back for a refund or replacement as its not what you paid for same as if you purchase ps3 and xbox versions they should have the same gameplay, lenght and story, if a version missed 1/4 the game you would be like huh). An since there was more playstation 3 TR:U players its why ppl are angry, imagin 51% (of all TRU SALES) of all them players having to buy a new console or sumthin for that content it does not make ppl happy. Maybe this time the creaters of TR and this new Lara series will of learnt that.

DO NOT FORGET US, YOUR FANS ON PLAYSTATION 3

So if you think I am talking sence post here and state you want this time extra content ON THE PLAYSTATION 3 aswel this time + quote my post XD.

GeorgeMaciver
28th Jul 2010, 08:53
Sales and income derive from customers, not from Microsoft. Without us there would be no game and if the Eidos Board continue down this track they are going to continue to lose millions in income, which they have a sparkling track record of doing. Makes me wonder which crappy business school they played truant from when they should have been learning something worthwhile. Or perhaps they had their heads in Mao's crappy little red book.

Katie_Fleming
28th Jul 2010, 14:09
It's a dangerous strategy. Now those fans will have 4 weeks to tell all the other fans if it's worth buying ;)

beretta
28th Jul 2010, 16:00
hello
it just be a dangerous strategy but personnaly I do nulement need avi others Fans to know if I'll buy it or not;)

Danielsun_
28th Jul 2010, 19:40
hopefully it pays off and TR becomes even more popular, and people out side of the core fan base will start playing the TR/Lara games :)

GeorgeMaciver
28th Jul 2010, 21:42
I'm still going to download it and play it and enjoy it because I love Crystal and the guys and gals who make our games. I just don't like being shafted by folks who have as much love for our game and their money earning long suffering clientele as cuckoos do for their chicks (the Eidos Board).

:D

Helion555
29th Jul 2010, 00:01
Well, I would like to apologize Eidos and Crystal Dynamics on this thread as I see it somewhat inappropriate. I must say, I was very peeved when I saw that the XBOX 360 had the two exclusive game add-ons, but I don't think that is something to completely quit Tomb Raider for! SO what if you guys have to wait a month. I udnerstand your ails, but you have people who are working very hard to make an awesome game for us! The fact is, if you didn't quit Tomb Raider when the UNderworld add-ons came out...why do it now? Either way, THIS game will become available to you at some point!!!! Just be patient!

ltshaunbrownuk
29th Jul 2010, 09:38
Well, I would like to apologize Eidos and Crystal Dynamics on this thread as I see it somewhat inappropriate. I must say, I was very peeved when I saw that the XBOX 360 had the two exclusive game add-ons, but I don't think that is something to completely quit Tomb Raider for! SO what if you guys have to wait a month. I udnerstand your ails, but you have people who are working very hard to make an awesome game for us! The fact is, if you didn't quit Tomb Raider when the UNderworld add-ons came out...why do it now? Either way, THIS game will become available to you at some point!!!! Just be patient!

Same here I wont quit the series an idm waiting a little longer but am upset about the extra content thing, we are missing out on something :( hopefully it will be different with this game and in the future :).

aussie500
30th Jul 2010, 09:23
Why do you people have to argue about Sony, Microsoft and other things.

I belive that the game should be released the same on each console, yes maybe its 4 weeks early on the xbox market place to be in the summer arcade im sure this will increase sales figues due to the extra advertising, as you know the series has not been doing so well lately which fans should be trying to help increase these figures so maybe the company can make better games with the extra money. I really do not mind waiting its not like I will never be able to play it!

What people should be concerned about is, will playstation users get equivalent extras such as DLC'S, themes and maybe a playstation home environment. It should not matter if you own a playstation 3 or xbox 360 if you are a fan you want the extra content.

Xbox market place already have got a theme for The Guardian of Light, I hope PSN gets one soon XD im sure they must realise that will also add a little more buzz to the playstation version and make fans happy. An I belive since they are releasing it late on the PS3 this is a little something to keep us entertained untill release.

also as we know tomb raider underworld got extra DLC's on the xbox 360 which I belive will never be released on the playstation 3 (THATS LIKE 1H+ OF EXTRA GAMEPLAY AND CONTENT), I belive this is what fans on the playstation 3 crave for. If you are a true TR fan you should not have to go and purchase another console to get these extras (THATS WHATS A SLAP IN THE FACE) (E.G. if you go the shop to buy 2 of the exact same phones you expect them to be the same but if they give you one with 1/4 the storage size you take it back for a refund or replacement as its not what you paid for same as if you purchase ps3 and xbox versions they should have the same gameplay, lenght and story, if a version missed 1/4 the game you would be like huh). An since there was more playstation 3 TR:U players its why ppl are angry, imagin 51% (of all TRU SALES) of all them players having to buy a new console or sumthin for that content it does not make ppl happy. Maybe this time the creaters of TR and this new Lara series will of learnt that.

DO NOT FORGET US, YOUR FANS ON PLAYSTATION 3

So if you think I am talking sence post here and state you want this time extra content ON THE PLAYSTATION 3 aswel this time + quote my post XD.

It is not up to Crystal Dynamics or Square Enix whether or not Sony is going to offer DLC, only Sony can arrange that. Crystal Dynamics make the main games, Square Enix publish them, they have retail outlets who purchase the game and sell it to us the consumers. Crystal Dynamics do not make playable dlc unless they already have an agreement for it with a digital retailer. No one wants it they do not make it. One asks for it they make it, but only for that platform. Sony does not want it or cannot provide the service required for it to work the PS3 players miss out. DLC is not part of the main game, even if it is playable and continues the story it is not part of the main game, it is an extra that a retailer selling digital content provides. The free pre-order goodies retailers entice us with, whether an artbook or a DLC code for playable content, the retailer pays extra for that, that is something they are giving away free to get customers to buy the game from them. If a retailer offers a special edition or collectors edition of the game, they have to pay for that extra content, it is not available with all versions of the game, often the retailer will have exclusive rights in their country for that version.

Steam, XBL, PSN they are retailers of digital games and content. They sell you games and extra stuff for your games. Yes the console providers are competing against each other for our hard earned money, they want us to buy the game for their platform, all the better if it means they can sell more consoles as well. No they are not always going to get exactly the same dlc, one platform like the PC one might miss out because it is not worth it to the provider to try and get more sales, they do not sell PC's so what is in it for them, unless it is a really popular game they will not make enough profit. One might miss out because they never wanted the dlc, or could not provide the right service for it to work. That is not the fault of the developer or the publisher, they cannot sell anything on PSN only Sony can. Sony has to order the dlc in the first place for it to be made available for consumers.

Then occasionally there will be different DLC available on different platforms, again they are competing trying to get you to buy what they exclusively have. There is no point complaining about it that is the way business has always worked and will always work. You want a game exclusive to one platform you go buy the thing it runs on. And yes you want dlc exclusive to one platform there is no point complaining about it or refusing to buy the game, you want it bad enough you buy what ever you need to play it. Personally I do not thing any DLC is worth buying a console for, but then I have never been desperate to play any DLC. Even having the console and the game does not necessarily mean you would buy DLC anyway. Even if offered for free like the PC Gold levels, how many never played them as soon as they were available because they did not have internet, did not have good enough internet, did not have the PC version of the game or as unlikely as it might seem were just not interested in the extra levels. Even when offered as a retail boxed version some would have refused to buy the game again just to play the TR1 and TR2 extra levels.

No it is not fair that only some can play the extra levels, whether it is TRU DLC or Gold levels offered years ago to PC players. That is just the way it is, yes moan about it and be jealous of those who can play them, but no point blaming the people who make the games or those who publish them. You want to complain to someone about not getting DLC for TRU, complain to the retailer who did not provide it, because as Sony has said, nothing is really exclusive forever. If they wanted it they could get it I am sure.

Telekill
30th Jul 2010, 09:40
Well, I would like to apologize Eidos and Crystal Dynamics on this thread as I see it somewhat inappropriate. I must say, I was very peeved when I saw that the XBOX 360 had the two exclusive game add-ons, but I don't think that is something to completely quit Tomb Raider for! SO what if you guys have to wait a month. I udnerstand your ails, but you have people who are working very hard to make an awesome game for us! The fact is, if you didn't quit Tomb Raider when the UNderworld add-ons came out...why do it now? Either way, THIS game will become available to you at some point!!!! Just be patient!

I had already purchased Underworld way before the 360's dlc was announced.

TF.Denis
30th Jul 2010, 17:29
well..this thread is bacaming a war..everyone against everyone..COME ON GUYYYYYS?? get a life! it's just 4 weeks!! play another game while you wait..red dead redemtion for example..or god of war..just waaaaaaaaaaaait

GeorgeMaciver
30th Jul 2010, 21:06
Yeah, imagine that hey? Tomb Raider fans and the Eidos Board won't let us pay for a Tomb Raider game, download it and play it. How insane is that?? The sooner Lara dumps those losers the better.

Danielsun_
30th Jul 2010, 21:08
i have completely lost track of this thread and what people are on about now lol

AssassinX21
31st Jul 2010, 13:17
Congratulations Eidos / Crystal Dynamics... you've just alienated your Playstation fanbase!!!! What are you gonna do next!? (If you didn't get that via that it's text, it was sarcastic satire for winning the super bowl and going too Disneyland).

First... you give TR Underworld exclusive DLC on the 360 regardless that it was the PS1 and PS2 that made the TR series popular in the first place. Then your next Lara Croft game isn't even really Tomb Raider.

1. You give it a high 3rd person view similar to Diablo.
2. You have Lara (a solo adventurer in ALL of her past games) team up with an ancient GOD?!
3. You have it as download only!? WTH?!

That's three strikes right there... but oh no... you had to do your Playstation fanbase one better by making the game 360 exclusive for a month.

So I congratulate you Eidos / CD. You've alienated your Playstation fanbase. I will not be purchasing this game or any other future TR / Lara Croft game. I've been a fan since the very first game came out and have purchased all her console games... on Playstation systems.

I'm done with you guys and this series which you've officially ruined.


You are so right Telekill... They are destroying all the franchiseYou two took the words right out of my mouth. ;)

josh1122
31st Jul 2010, 13:55
So all you people that are ''done with the franchise'' and ''this franchise is dead''. Why are you still here then again? run that by me

gregor1
1st Aug 2010, 21:10
We're here because the classics will never die

TF.Denis
3rd Aug 2010, 15:33
and we are here to have a chance to make fun on you josh..what's better than that child?

ggctuk
4th Aug 2010, 10:23
The opening of this thread makes me :lol:

You're banging on about XBox360 one-month exclusivity, and yet you had TR for 6 games worth of (practical) exclusivity! Granted, nobody outside PC got the addons for the first three, but what are ya gonna do! Why are you acting like a petulant two-year-old who can't get his own way? That is what it feels like to have the shoe on the other foot. SONY didn't get in there first, so you should be blaming them not Eidos.

You're one person, and quite frankly, Eidos won't miss your money. They make loads out of it.

josh1122
4th Aug 2010, 10:57
We're here because the classics will never die

much like some peoples constant bickering about small things :lol:

but on a serious note and non fighting aside

Seriously, its not that big of a deal, I'm sure the people that are mad have hobbies,friends,activities,other games that can keep you busy during the time frame the game is exclusive. It's not like your NEVER going to get to play it

Now if that were the case then yeah there would be reason to gripe and be mad. It's like TF.Denis said earlier get a life and play other games, theres so much more important things to do than bicker about a short exclusitivity deal for a downloadable game

and TF.Denis, how am I a child if I'm older than you? there was no point in making that remark when all I did was ask the people that ''hate the franchise'' why they are still here if they hate everything new thats coming out. Perfectly reasonable question

GeorgeMaciver
5th Aug 2010, 08:03
If I went around stealing toys from children and making them cry and then sold their toys to make profit and laughed to the bank, would you be mad at me?

The Underworld addons being XBox exclusives is stealing toys from children (and adults for that matter) just to make a few bucks. As a business policy it loses money in the long run and loses you all respect and credibility as a human being.

Life isn't just about making money. If that's what you revolve your life around you have no life.

:p

ggctuk
5th Aug 2010, 10:07
It's not quite like that, considering that LCGoL is getting a PS3 and PC release. It's more that it appears to be a "First come first serve" thing going on. And Microsoft got there first. Although they only negotiated for the XBox and not the PC.

I personally view the argument the same as the GOLD levels. The main fanbase (prior to the 2000 release of TRLE, most probably) was the PlayStation, and yet all three expansions were PC-only games.

Danielsun_
5th Aug 2010, 18:26
No matter how you look at it, this is nothing new so i don't know what the fuss is about. PS owners have had their exclusives as have the PC owners, and now xbox are getting some attention.

I'm sure it will change in the future to some other console....maybe the Wii ;)

chriss_99
5th Aug 2010, 18:44
I'm sure it will change in the future to some other console....maybe the Wii ;)[/COLOR]

That is very true! Downloadable content is now ubiquitous and there's no way the company is going to cancel the DLC just because some fans (who will by the game anyway) are upset.
I somehow managed to come to terms with the whole DLC situation, in the end, Tomb Raider is what really matters for me.

Danielsun_
5th Aug 2010, 20:05
That is very true! Downloadable content is now ubiquitous and there's no way the company is going to cancel the DLC just because some fans (who will by the game anyway) are upset.
I somehow managed to come to terms with the whole DLC situation, in the end, Tomb Raider is what really matters for me.

Damn straight, i love Tomb raider, i've lost count how many times i've played the games now, i love it, i really hope the next pillar really has some good exploration and adventure in it, i've always loved what the TR franchise delivers no matter how long i have to wait :)

marcvb
6th Aug 2010, 00:07
in the end, Tomb Raider is what really matters for me.

Well said! I've never really liked this GoL thing!

Pulse
7th Aug 2010, 03:58
lyke oh ma godd. yew gys r sooo ryt!!! thayy r destrroyin toomb raydrr. cd should just mayke a gayme exxactly lyke the firrrst one!! @lsso theyy shood reles itt on awl off da consols thatt evar exxistud, lyke ps1-2-3 an XBOX- xboxx 360 and DS an Wii an gaameboy an virtualboyy an NES an all the rest an it shood com outt al at da saym timme.

:D

Teehee

tombraidergal
7th Aug 2010, 13:32
Oh dear... what is UP with this playstion and xbox rivalry? for god sake! I have both, and if microsoft want to support eidos then let them, sony just probably aren't interested. we get that some people are angry, but ya know... what can you do?
and just because xbox get it earlier than playstation doesn't mean you shouldn't get another tomb raider game... but i don't really like that it's downloadable, i probs won't get it for a while, since i will have exams and i am skint. ;)
still... calm down.

TF.Denis
8th Aug 2010, 19:06
well josh

..how can i say it?? i have reasons too but i don't want to go on another subject than gol.. (like when i was texting you on ps3..and you were never answering :() aww well

josh1122
9th Aug 2010, 03:34
well josh

..how can i say it?? i have reasons too but i don't want to go on another subject than gol.. (like when i was texting you on ps3..and you were never answering :() aww well

congrats? I guess?

@tombraidergal: It's just a fanboy war, nothing more and nothing less. Both sides thinking their system is ''more awesome!'' than the other,which feuds 12 year old type fights against each other.

It's rather pointless and annoying.

LC is Me
9th Aug 2010, 05:03
So, who wants to go rally up the Sega fans who have been left hanging for over a decade...?
Anyone....?
ANYONE?

inb4 Sega hasn't had a successful system in ages.
IRRELEVANT

BTW, anyone who wants to protest outside of Sony's HQ for LittleBigPlanet 2, PM me and we'll strategize.
:rolleyes:

TF.Denis
9th Aug 2010, 21:14
congrats? I guess?

@tombraidergal: It's just a fanboy war, nothing more and nothing less. Both sides thinking their system is ''more awesome!'' than the other,which feuds 12 year old type fights against each other.

It's rather pointless and annoying.

except..i'm 20..and i don't get your point..fanboy war?? lol THINK before you type..it's annoying really when some people trying to escape from the subject..we are talking about gol..if you want wars go on another forum MR

josh1122
9th Aug 2010, 22:58
except..i'm 20..and i don't get your point..fanboy war?? lol THINK before you type..it's annoying really when some people trying to escape from the subject..we are talking about gol..if you want wars go on another forum MR

ummm right, anyways,I was talking to tombraidergal
:thumb:

@Chris99: Forgot to comment earlier but totally agree with ya

Danielsun_
10th Aug 2010, 08:51
@TF. Dennis, this is nothikng personal but why do you keep picking on Josh? , he is not making any harsh or irrational comments towards you or anyone

Please read what he has typed before making a reply

TF.Denis
10th Aug 2010, 18:50
hmm..good question daniel! he knows..back to the subject..i think it's time for sony to do something..if they continue like this..i see no other tomb raider game on play station..and i'm a user!!

Keir
10th Aug 2010, 20:54
I'm sorry to see some people are really upset. Although I wasn't part of the decision to go with Summer of Arcade, getting that placement is a real honour for LCGoL. The last spot is reserved for a big game so we're really happy that Microsoft like LCGoL so much.

I know that doesn't help if you're a PS3 or PC gamer but the wait isn't too long and it'll be worth it.


It's a dangerous strategy. Now those fans will have 4 weeks to tell all the other fans if it's worth buying ;)

Not sure I get your point Katie. When people get their hands on the game they really enjoy it, so this is cool not dangerous.

Danielsun_
10th Aug 2010, 21:37
I'm sorry to see some people are really upset. Although I wasn't part of the decision to go with Summer of Arcade, getting that placement is a real honour for LCGoL. The last spot is reserved for a big game so we're really happy that Microsoft like LCGoL so much.

I know that doesn't help if you're a PS3 or PC gamer but the wait isn't too long and it'll be worth it.



Not sure I get your point Katie. When people get their hands on the game they really enjoy it, so this is cool not dangerous.

I think most people are upset or feel like they are at a loss because all that was featured was the co-op and we had to take your word for the single player. For example i myself was hoping to get this game play it aviddly with my mates until halo reach came out

However now i know the co-op side is not there and im not sure if this single player will be as epic as the co-op has been made out to be. I think fans may want some reasurrance that the single player mode is just as good.

Its too soon and too small a time space for any interview or trailer. but perhaps a couple of screenshots of single player and showing some unique abilities may please people

All this said, i could be completely wrong in which case i apologize for my post and wasting time.

Another point may be is that we are all Tomb Raider/Lara Croft fans and we just want to see it be successful without problems, not like we are demanding it to be but because we love the franchise and the company so much we don't like a bad word to be said against it

If i have said something wrong again i apologize. To all

TF.Denis
12th Aug 2010, 00:48
no need to daniel..i think our keir got it

Danielsun_
12th Aug 2010, 07:29
no need to daniel..i think our keir got it

Fair does :D

aussie500
13th Aug 2010, 03:43
I think most people are upset or feel like they are at a loss because all that was featured was the co-op and we had to take your word for the single player. For example i myself was hoping to get this game play it aviddly with my mates until halo reach came out

However now i know the co-op side is not there and im not sure if this single player will be as epic as the co-op has been made out to be. I think fans may want some reasurrance that the single player mode is just as good.

Its too soon and too small a time space for any interview or trailer. but perhaps a couple of screenshots of single player and showing some unique abilities may please people

All this said, i could be completely wrong in which case i apologize for my post and wasting time.

Another point may be is that we are all Tomb Raider/Lara Croft fans and we just want to see it be successful without problems, not like we are demanding it to be but because we love the franchise and the company so much we don't like a bad word to be said against it

If i have said something wrong again i apologize. To all

We have already seen footage and screenshots of the single player mode, it was shown in the first trailer and we have been told how the game will change for the single player mode in plenty of previews and interviews. All the co-op play we have seen has been local, all the hands on demos, all the previews, all the E3 footage it was all local co-op, none of it was online co-op. We get to play what we have already seen. A feature we were promised but have yet to see anything of is not going to be ready for the Xbox 360 players on launch, price we pay for getting the game early. The Xbox 360 players will not miss out on anything getting the game early, they will still get the patch for the online features on the same day the others get to play the game. The Xbox 360 players get to play single player and local co-op before the PC and PS3 players. Even if GOL had never been part of Summer of Arcade still the online features would not have been ready any sooner. Yes it is a disappointment for those expecting to play online on the Xbox 360 next week, waiting a bit longer is not going to kill us. For those only interested in playing online it means there would be no reason to favour the Xbox 360 version just because it will be released earlier than the others.

Danielsun_
13th Aug 2010, 07:31
We have already seen footage and screenshots of the single player mode, it was shown in the first trailer and we have been told how the game will change for the single player mode in plenty of previews and interviews. All the co-op play we have seen has been local, all the hands on demos, all the previews, all the E3 footage it was all local co-op, none of it was online co-op. We get to play what we have already seen. A feature we were promised but have yet to see anything of is not going to be ready for the Xbox 360 players on launch, price we pay for getting the game early. The Xbox 360 players will not miss out on anything getting the game early, they will still get the patch for the online features on the same day the others get to play the game. The Xbox 360 players get to play single player and local co-op before the PC and PS3 players. Even if GOL had never been part of Summer of Arcade still the online features would not have been ready any sooner. Yes it is a disappointment for those expecting to play online on the Xbox 360 next week, waiting a bit longer is not going to kill us. For those only interested in playing online it means there would be no reason to favour the Xbox 360 version just because it will be released earlier than the others.

All i'm saying is that there was more emphasis put on the Co-op mode i don't mind about the online co-op being delayed.

Everything you posted i already knew (aside from the single player part) i have no problems with this. i was simply trying to make a helpful suggestion

ThePunkVampire
18th Aug 2010, 21:31
You never know.....Theres some pretty good originals out there...... :)