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member_10813477
10th Aug 2012, 22:20
I have a question about the story. One simple question: what the hell is going on!? It all seems hunky dory up until The World that Never Was and then all of the sudden a million twists come at once. The most confusing ones are concerning Riku. Sora seems to be pretty straightforward: back in time to the raft, goes on the raft with Riku, fights a time-travelling Ursula, opens the sleeping keyhole on Destiny Islands to prevent it from getting stuck in sleep, then he goes into the Realm of Sleep, wakes up each world, gets to TWTNW and gets knocked out by Xigbar and the rest of that level is his dreams (though why you're still able to return to the other worlds is still odd), or at least that's what I get out of it.

But then they throw in Riku saying he's a Dream Eater and he dove into Sora's dreams and that the journey's been Sora's dreams... so what the hell is going on with Riku? Did he go inside Sora's head? Then what about the worlds he visits? Why can he meet Joshua? Seriously, could we get a straight, simple timeline of events beginning to middle to end? Traditional storytelling and with all the details pointed out at the exact moment they happened? Because I'm seriously confused, and I was able to figure out every other Kingdom Hearts game (more or less).

tidusforeverx2
11th Aug 2012, 00:17
I have a question about the story. One simple question: what the hell is going on!? It all seems hunky dory up until The World that Never Was and then all of the sudden a million twists come at once. The most confusing ones are concerning Riku. Sora seems to be pretty straightforward: back in time to the raft, goes on the raft with Riku, fights a time-travelling Ursula, opens the sleeping keyhole on Destiny Islands to prevent it from getting stuck in sleep, then he goes into the Realm of Sleep, wakes up each world, gets to TWTNW and gets knocked out by Xigbar and the rest of that level is his dreams (though why you're still able to return to the other worlds is still odd), or at least that's what I get out of it.

But then they throw in Riku saying he's a Dream Eater and he dove into Sora's dreams and that the journey's been Sora's dreams... so what the hell is going on with Riku? Did he go inside Sora's head? Then what about the worlds he visits? Why can he meet Joshua? Seriously, could we get a straight, simple timeline of events beginning to middle to end? Traditional storytelling and with all the details pointed out at the exact moment they happened? Because I'm seriously confused, and I was able to figure out every other Kingdom Hearts game (more or less).



I will try to explain. In the beginning of the game you are at the destiny islands and you fight a version of ersula. this was all the doing of the Organization. now as they unlock the lock Riku enters sora's dream worlds. Which are really locked in Sora's heart. This is partly what they are referring to when they say that the hearts of children recreated the worlds and could not be snuffed out by darkness. They also say the sora's heart is a prison, Which is where the worlds are being shelterd as they sleep. that is why riku is going to the same worlds but apart from sora becasue is is just another level in. That is why they are close but never together. And it also explains why riku is a dream eater. because in this level he is just the dream of sora's. The fact that they can return to the other worlds isn't invalid because they are still in the dreams of sora. The reason that joshua is able to go back and forth between the two dreams is becasue of the special nature of traverse town. Traverse town has its own special rules because it is a world that only comes into existance when a person is stranded among worlds, otherwise it doesn't really exist so a portal could exist there. Two resonating worlds that shouldnt exist... I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. The reason then that Riku was able to find Sora is because Sora had been forced to go into that second level of dreams which logically would have been the same level that riku had been in all along. Mickey had been able to go in because he had already been deemed a master which would have given him the ability to go into the dream worlds. As for axel or Lea, they indirectly make it sound like it was an extreem challenge for him to get there... And considering he has keyblade potential I'llgive them the benefit of the doubt, If the organization members can get into his dreams then so should he be able to as well.


What else can I try to explain.

member_10813477
11th Aug 2012, 01:57
I have a question about the story. One simple question: what the hell is going on!? It all seems hunky dory up until The World that Never Was and then all of the sudden a million twists come at once. The most confusing ones are concerning Riku. Sora seems to be pretty straightforward: back in time to the raft, goes on the raft with Riku, fights a time-travelling Ursula, opens the sleeping keyhole on Destiny Islands to prevent it from getting stuck in sleep, then he goes into the Realm of Sleep, wakes up each world, gets to TWTNW and gets knocked out by Xigbar and the rest of that level is his dreams (though why you're still able to return to the other worlds is still odd), or at least that's what I get out of it.

But then they throw in Riku saying he's a Dream Eater and he dove into Sora's dreams and that the journey's been Sora's dreams... so what the hell is going on with Riku? Did he go inside Sora's head? Then what about the worlds he visits? Why can he meet Joshua? Seriously, could we get a straight, simple timeline of events beginning to middle to end? Traditional storytelling and with all the details pointed out at the exact moment they happened? Because I'm seriously confused, and I was able to figure out every other Kingdom Hearts game (more or less).



I will try to explain. In the beginning of the game you are at the destiny islands and you fight a version of ersula. this was all the doing of the Organization. now as they unlock the lock Riku enters sora's dream worlds. Which are really locked in Sora's heart. This is partly what they are referring to when they say that the hearts of children recreated the worlds and could not be snuffed out by darkness. They also say the sora's heart is a prison, Which is where the worlds are being shelterd as they sleep. that is why riku is going to the same worlds but apart from sora becasue is is just another level in. That is why they are close but never together. And it also explains why riku is a dream eater. because in this level he is just the dream of sora's. The fact that they can return to the other worlds isn't invalid because they are still in the dreams of sora. The reason that joshua is able to go back and forth between the two dreams is becasue of the special nature of traverse town. Traverse town has its own special rules because it is a world that only comes into existance when a person is stranded among worlds, otherwise it doesn't really exist so a portal could exist there. Two resonating worlds that shouldnt exist... I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. The reason then that Riku was able to find Sora is because Sora had been forced to go into that second level of dreams which logically would have been the same level that riku had been in all along. Mickey had been able to go in because he had already been deemed a master which would have given him the ability to go into the dream worlds. As for axel or Lea, they indirectly make it sound like it was an extreem challenge for him to get there... And considering he has keyblade potential I'llgive them the benefit of the doubt, If the organization members can get into his dreams then so should he be able to as well.


What else can I try to explain.






That's barely helpful. Where's Sora then?

tidusforeverx2
11th Aug 2012, 02:08
I have a question about the story. One simple question: what the hell is going on!? It all seems hunky dory up until The World that Never Was and then all of the sudden a million twists come at once. The most confusing ones are concerning Riku. Sora seems to be pretty straightforward: back in time to the raft, goes on the raft with Riku, fights a time-travelling Ursula, opens the sleeping keyhole on Destiny Islands to prevent it from getting stuck in sleep, then he goes into the Realm of Sleep, wakes up each world, gets to TWTNW and gets knocked out by Xigbar and the rest of that level is his dreams (though why you're still able to return to the other worlds is still odd), or at least that's what I get out of it.

But then they throw in Riku saying he's a Dream Eater and he dove into Sora's dreams and that the journey's been Sora's dreams... so what the hell is going on with Riku? Did he go inside Sora's head? Then what about the worlds he visits? Why can he meet Joshua? Seriously, could we get a straight, simple timeline of events beginning to middle to end? Traditional storytelling and with all the details pointed out at the exact moment they happened? Because I'm seriously confused, and I was able to figure out every other Kingdom Hearts game (more or less).



I will try to explain. In the beginning of the game you are at the destiny islands and you fight a version of ersula. this was all the doing of the Organization. now as they unlock the lock Riku enters sora's dream worlds. Which are really locked in Sora's heart. This is partly what they are referring to when they say that the hearts of children recreated the worlds and could not be snuffed out by darkness. They also say the sora's heart is a prison, Which is where the worlds are being shelterd as they sleep. that is why riku is going to the same worlds but apart from sora becasue is is just another level in. That is why they are close but never together. And it also explains why riku is a dream eater. because in this level he is just the dream of sora's. The fact that they can return to the other worlds isn't invalid because they are still in the dreams of sora. The reason that joshua is able to go back and forth between the two dreams is becasue of the special nature of traverse town. Traverse town has its own special rules because it is a world that only comes into existance when a person is stranded among worlds, otherwise it doesn't really exist so a portal could exist there. Two resonating worlds that shouldnt exist... I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. The reason then that Riku was able to find Sora is because Sora had been forced to go into that second level of dreams which logically would have been the same level that riku had been in all along. Mickey had been able to go in because he had already been deemed a master which would have given him the ability to go into the dream worlds. As for axel or Lea, they indirectly make it sound like it was an extreem challenge for him to get there... And considering he has keyblade potential I'llgive them the benefit of the doubt, If the organization members can get into his dreams then so should he be able to as well.


What else can I try to explain.






That's barely helpful. Where's Sora then?




Sora is in level 1 dream until the end in which he enters level two of his dreams, which is where Riku is. In the process of them entering the dream worlds Ersula's presence is the result of the nightmare that the organization caused when they invaded his dreams.

member_10813477
11th Aug 2012, 02:09
Kingdom Hearts-ception. Hopefully we'll get some supplemental information sooner or later.

tidusforeverx2
11th Aug 2012, 02:19
Kingdom Hearts-ception. Hopefully we'll get some supplemental information sooner or later.






I doubt it since i dont see them returing to the sleeping worlds in the next installment, i guess its possible but im betting against it.

member_10813477
11th Aug 2012, 02:21
Supplemental material would be things like an interview or an Ultimania. Not really sure how I feel about them essentially adapting Inception. Makes my head hurt, like an AI with a logical paradox.

oponn5
11th Aug 2012, 04:23
I have a hunch they don't even know what they are talking about. Pretty much ala Worldcraft.

Automaton
11th Aug 2012, 12:47
It's not necessarily that Riku is a Dream Eater spirit. His suspicion of the Ursula nightmare and subsequent action of diving into Sora's dream/heart cause him to function like one, hence the reason why he has the emblem on the back of his shirt (as opposed to the recusant's sigil planted by the True Organization on Sora's outfit, looks like the new clothes were not from Yen Sid after all!)


I think it's safe to assume that Sora's and Riku's journey through the Sleeping Worlds is concurrent: while Sora is being led on by the young Xehanort and the recusant's sigil, Riku is "behind the scenes" (much like in Kingdom Hearts II) working to redeem himself of his corruption by darkness, as well as protecting Sora as best he can from being led into the trap.


Also (if I'm not mistaken) keep in mind that Yen Sid mentions that the seven Sleeping Keyholes are related to the "seven lights", the people who are connected to Sora that remain in sorrowful sleep. In that case, if Sora was being manipulated by Xehanort, all of his Keyholes were essentially fake. Riku, having dived into Sora, was able to find the true Keyholes and unlock their connections: if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been able to ultimately rescue Sora fom the final Nightmare.

KingdomKeyWIelder
16th Aug 2012, 23:51
Is anyone about ready to through everything they have Kingdom hearts in the trash? Cuz I am...
Cant believe Sora dies / goes in a deep sleeps I mean I can believe it! Sora's my hero and I bet hes a hero to many others as well...

Whats your prospective on the ending?

xIllusionist
17th Aug 2012, 00:31
But Riku defeats Armored Ventus Nightmare which wakes Sora up. Even though Sora isn't deemed a keyblade master at least he's still alive (err, awake lol)

KingdomKeyWIelder
17th Aug 2012, 21:06
Well it'ssuppose to be the other way around sora is suppose to have the puriest heart and not get swallowed up by darkness I really don't like how they turned it around its sad and is he gonna turn out to be another terra urggg urggg urgggg so many questions and I haven't even finished the game!!!

xIllusionist
18th Aug 2012, 22:25
Maybe you should finish the game first before you rage against the KH series. I'm not gonna spoil anything since you haven't finished the game yet.

FrozenReine
19th Aug 2012, 01:31
Well it'ssuppose to be the other way around sora is suppose to have the puriest heart and not get swallowed up by darkness I really don't like how they turned it around its sad and is he gonna turn out to be another terra urggg urggg urgggg so many questions and I haven't even finished the game!!!






...Dude, you need to chill out. Come back when you've finished the game, please.

KingdomKeyWIelder
23rd Aug 2012, 23:15
First of all I'm not against the game I would never be against the game! And I have finished the game I just really don't like how they turned the idea of the characters around i mean it feels like soras really slipping....

kwando1313
24th Aug 2012, 16:59
I don't understand how you can think that Sora's slipping at all... If anything, he seems happy that Riku passed and he didn't...

Automaton
24th Aug 2012, 17:47
Xehanort took advantage of Sora's innocence, manipulating his light for darker ends. The series has done a good job in telling how "darkness" doesn't have to be inherently evil (as per Riku), and the story of the First Keyblade War's main issue is that the presence of light drove people to fight over it. So, the issue of morality, namely light against darkness, isn't as clearcut.


Also, keep in mind of the game's tagline, which has been present on the game's promotional material and packaging: ???????????????(darkness becomes light, light falls into darkness)


If you really think about it, you already knew this was coming.

FrozenReine
24th Aug 2012, 18:20
Dang, awesome explanation there, Orichalcum +! I didn't remember that quote, but you're right there. Personally, I really liked the way things turned out--someone other than Sora got to be the hero for once, and it redeemed Riku and made me laugh in the process. He's not slipping, Sora did the same thing he has done multiple times before: screwed up and essentially made Riku pick up the slack...for, what? This makes it the third time in the series? He did the same thing in KH1 with the raft, as well as CoM, which had him out of commission for a YEAR. Compared to CoM, at least this save was relatively quick. It's not like he got posessed, or turned into a Heartless or anything...well, at least, as far as we know right now. XD

Honestly it's realistic, too. Bad crap happens to good people...and he should have listened to Riku--he TRIED to tell him to wake up.

Rockman22
24th Aug 2012, 18:32
Dang, awesome explanation there, Orichalcum +! I didn't remember that quote, but you're right there. Personally, I really liked the way things turned out--someone other than Sora got to be the hero for once, and it redeemed Riku and made me laugh in the process. He's not slipping, Sora did the same thing he has done multiple times before: screwed up and essentially made Riku pick up the slack...for, what? This makes it the third time in the series? He did the same thing in KH1 with the raft, as well as CoM, which had him out of commission for a YEAR. Compared to CoM, at least this save was relatively quick. It's not like he got posessed, or turned into a Heartless or anything...well, at least, as far as we know right now. XD

Honestly it's realistic, too. Bad crap happens to good people...and he should have listened to Riku--he TRIED to tell him to wake up.




i don't think it nessasary to say stuff like that but if you insist...

member_10590028
27th Aug 2012, 22:12
Dang, awesome explanation there, Orichalcum +! I didn't remember that quote, but you're right there. Personally, I really liked the way things turned out--someone other than Sora got to be the hero for once, and it redeemed Riku and made me laugh in the process. He's not slipping, Sora did the same thing he has done multiple times before: screwed up and essentially made Riku pick up the slack...for, what? This makes it the third time in the series? He did the same thing in KH1 with the raft, as well as CoM, which had him out of commission for a YEAR. Compared to CoM, at least this save was relatively quick. It's not like he got posessed, or turned into a Heartless or anything...well, at least, as far as we know right now. XD

Honestly it's realistic, too. Bad crap happens to good people...and he should have listened to Riku--he TRIED to tell him to wake up.

Even though Riku is still the hero, Sora is the one that has to save all those connected to his heart. Even though he didn't become a keyblade master, he's still gonna aim for that goal and I believe that he'll be able to do it when he gets back from his training.

Ryutim
30th Aug 2012, 18:50
Yeah, sora will definately become a keyblade master eventually. Anyway, was anyone here actually surprised by the secret movie? Cause honestly, it was pretty obvious to me, I mean, everyone who's ever finished KH2 knew that it was gonna happen.


*Spoilers*


When I counted off the seven keyblade wielders who would protect the light, I first thought that it was gonna be Sora, Riku, Kairi (seriously, she was in my initial count, what's so secret about that?), Ventus, Aqua, Terra (I thought that his heart would somehow come back, especially since he was in two secret movies, in one he was talking to Xehanort inside of his [Terra's] heart, and Xehanort said something about master Eraqus, which implied that he had done something to make sure that Terra would keep his heart [although I'm not sure what, it seemed like he gave Terra his light, or else put some part of his heart into Terra's to protect him, the same way Sora did to help Ventus, or else put his entire heart into him, I'm not sure, it's all kinda confusing.], and then there was the secret movie that had Terra standing right next to Ven, both at the land of departure, I mean, it seems kinda wrong to not have him as one of the group after seeing that.), and mickey, of course, although I'd thought that Xion would be part of the group, or possibly Roxas, but they're both in Sora, so he pretty much counts for all of them, I guess. Anyway, making Lee a keyblade wielder was a bit of a curve ball for me, but it's not really that surprising since there's already a keyblade based on his chakrams (the surprise was that he doesn't use the bond of flame keyblade, although the one he uses actually looks a hell of a lot cooler, metaforically speaking, since the blade looks like a curving spurt of flame [the handle still looks like one of his chakrams though].). Anyway, I really hope that we get to play as Kairi and Lee in the next game, after all, Sora, Riku, Mickey, and Aqua are all experienced keyblade wielders, and the same goes for Ventus, although he's a bit out of practice after sleeping for more than a decade, so it'd be really cool to play through whatever challenges Kairi and Lee have to go through to hone their new skills (Lee may already be an experienced fighter, but he's still new to the keyblade, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to start the game with him at level 1, but the same can't really be said for Sora or Riku, it only made sense because they needed to learn how to fight in an entirely new playing field, so to speak, and I don't think they can make up a new reality to fight in every time they want to make a new KH game, and of course, we can't start out the game as super powerful level 99 characters, and they can't make powerful characters weak again without a good explination about why they're weak again, or else put them up against creatures that are so powerful as to make them seem like level 1 characters again, and that'd make it so that the weaker characters couldn't fight them. I think I've gone on long enough, I'll stop talking now.).

etg
6th Sep 2012, 21:28
I don't understand how you can think that Sora's slipping at all... If anything, he seems happy that Riku passed and he didn't...


That's true, but is there a chance that Master Yen will make Sora a full-fledged Keyblade Master before the Keyblade War is over????

Ryutim
6th Sep 2012, 23:00
*Spoilers*


That's certainly a possibility, but I don't think it really matters. "Keyblade Master" is just a title, and while it comes with some privilaged information, that's not really something that Sora would bother with, and Riku can handle it in any case. Actually, now that I think about it, why doesn't Xehanort know how to unlock the room of awakening (the chamber of waking, or whatever you call it)? Even if he couldn't remember how to open it before, there shouldn't be anything stopping him from getting to it now, and since Ven is still sleeping in there, it's probably gonna be Xehanorts first target, unless that info is only something that the successor gets to know, or maybe Castle Oblivion can only be changed back with master Eraqus' keyblade, and since Aqua still has it, Xehanort would have to get it from her before he could get to Ven.

picamaispi29
7th Sep 2012, 09:41
When the Land of Departure was locked and turned into Castle Oblivion measures to protect it from people who would use the neutral ground it was on for evil purposes and to keep anyone from finding out its true nature were activated. Everyone who visited was also supposed to die or never leave or something, although Sora, Donald, and Goofy left, along with Namine, Diz, and the Organization members who only visited and weren't stationed there (with the exception of Lea) so I'm not sure how well the last part worked. "... all who visit this land will be lost to oblivion, none ever able to solve the mystery except you, Aqua". (The last part of that sentence might not be worded exactly right but I know the first part is because I watched the end of BBS a whole bunch of times. All of the dialogue is practically engraved in my brain.) Only Aqua can find the Chamber of Awakening and put Castle Oblivion back to it's regular form. She inherited the Land of Departure and Master Eraquas's keyblade after he dies and he revealed the secrets of the LoD after she became a master. All of this is why Xehanort couldn't even find the Chamber of Awakening, let alone unlock it.

Ryutim
7th Sep 2012, 12:07
I suppose it makes sense, just as long as it can only be unlocked by the one who locked it in the first place, but remember, Xehanort was a keyblade master too, so unless it's only something that the Successor is taught, he should at least have known about it, which I guess he did, or else why would he have had the organization members searching the place?

picamaispi29
7th Sep 2012, 12:25
I don't think it matters that you are a keyblade master, you have to be the keyblade master that inherited the place. Otherwise Master Eraquas would have said except all keyblade masters instead of except you Aqua or something like that. It was confirmed by Nomura in an interview that Xehanort knows where it is and was looking for it because he knows that Ven is there and wants to find him. I guess the mystery is how he knows since Terra didn't know that Ven was there so he couldn't have known from Terra's memories and the same goes for MX. He would have found out after became Terra-nort but the only way to find out by himself would be to see Ven there and we know he hasn't found Ven yet. Xehanort had to have found out where Ven was from a person, but who would have known where Ven was and have been willing to tell Xehanort? Any ideas? (BTW, itsn't it kind of funny that 90% of the confirmed info that we know comes from interviews and not the games themselves?)

Ryutim
7th Sep 2012, 12:42
It's actually kind of annoying if you ask me, I'd rather learn this stuff in game, rather than by reading some interviews. Anyway, Xehanort wouldn't have had to learn about Ven being there from a person, he could have deduced it from the fact that he couldn't find Ven, Aqua wouldn't have left Ven, who had ripped his own heart apart in order to stop Venitas, and the world of departure had turned into castle oblivion, or maybe he did learn it from someone, or rather, something. Remember that Xehanort still has Aqua's armor, and if Terra's armor is anything to go by, then it's possible that a part of Aqua's conciousness was inside her armor, so he could have gotten the information out of it, after all, he was able to partially reanimate it, or at least, that's what it looked like in that one cutscene from KH2FM.

picamaispi29
7th Sep 2012, 12:59
Yeah, a little bit but in my opinion Nomura's interviews are rather interesting so it's not that much of a dificulty to read them. Anybody else's and I wouldn't bother. It would be a lot better if we could learn it in-game but I suppose there is only so much info you can cram into a game and Nomura wants us to "use our imaginations" :b (He say that statement, or variations of that statement in almost all of his interviews, sometimes multiple times) Hmm, Xehanort is certainly smart enough to figure that out and could be true about the conciousness thing, unless Xehanort likes to go around and ramdomly talk to sets of armour. Do you think that Master Eraqus's heart is still helping Terra fight Xemnas? I also just had a thought. If it's true that Nomura didn't have a concept of death planned for the KH series and isn't planning on having anyone actually die, do you think that Master Eraqus is going to come back in KH3 when Terra is rescued?

member_10590028
7th Sep 2012, 20:41
With that, I really don't know. Master Eraqus was weakened by Terra and then "struck down" (in Aqua's words) by Master Xehanort. Honestly he might not come back but we'll see what happens. And another thing about Master Xehanort, I've grown out of calling him "Master" anymore because he's fallen from grace than the other Keyblade Masters but he's still a master as there were Keyblade Masters of darkness and I will accept that. But as for Master Eraqus, I don't think he's gonna come back at all but hopefully he will because I read somewhere that he did leave a part of his heart within Terra and that was also a reason why Master Xehanort couldn't fully take control of Terra's body during their confrontation.

Ryutim
8th Sep 2012, 20:51
Actually, it's Terra's heart that Xehanort couldn't take full control of, although, come to think about it, it did seem like there was some part of Terra still in his body, but it wasn't enough to stop Xehanort from going through with his evil schemes. But still, it's totally possible that Terra and Master Eraqus could come back if they win Terra's heart back from Xehanort, but then again, they could both lose, leaving the heart to take physical form and become Xehanorts 13th vessal, or maybe both, Xehanort could take control, then Sora, or whoever, could beat that incarnation of Xehanort and release Terra and Eraqus from his control. There are several ways that this could turn out, so I'm not even sure where to begin.

member_10578644
1st Oct 2012, 16:46
I agree with most that is being said except that it gives all the hints to what goes on in TWTNW, you just have to put it together yourself. The biggest hint you get in when Riku actually points out he's no longer in the dream worlds, but he still has the sigil on his back because Sora is still sleeping, so esentially he is now in the real world, but has the capabilities of the dream eaters still, which also leads to explain why Xehanort and his 'vessels' were able to be there as well as Lea and Mickey. If anyone one here has more questions I would love to help answer, I study Kingdom Hearts as if it were a college class XD

Ryutim
8th Oct 2012, 21:18
Same here, although I try to figure things out purely by playing the game (and watching the cutscenes from the final mixes on youtube), so I sometimes miss the stuff that is said in the interviews and Ultimanias. Regardless, if anyone is confused on some point, I'd love to talk your ear off about any thoughts, theories, facts, and/or oppionions I happen to have on the subject.

Bobguy117
10th May 2013, 02:45
So guys, I know by now most of us have either had the good fortune to be able to play the game, or had the misfortune to have accidentally spoiled it for yourself. Either way, I'm sure most of you on this site have seen the ending and understand most of it, despite how unnecessarily confusing it is. I myself am hopelessly stumpted on one part in particular: (MAJOR SPOILERS ahead if you're one of the chosen few to have avoided the ending for this long) Sora's story during his time in The World that Never Was, specifically why his clothes keep changing from his Kingdom Hearts 2 attire to his Kingdom Hearts 3D attire. I've searched and searched, but no guide or walkthrough or review even goes so far as to mention that this happens. I feel like it's something that people are overlooking or maybe writing off as a "glitch," like how I originally reacted to Xion's bipolar hood in 358/2 Days. Why does he appear in one form and then in another so rapidly? And in addition to that, the visions he has of Namine, Xion, Roxas, Terra, and Aqua are maddeningly confusing. Sora is being tricked into proceeding further and further into the darkness, and all these characters show up and seem to edge him even further in. Why would they do that? Of course, the only explanation I can come up with is that they are only illusions cast by Xehanort but his talk with Roxas seemed so sincere, and like something only Roxas would say to Sora. But then, why did Roxas tell Sora he wasn't dreaming? It must've been a fake Roxas trap set by Xehanort. But what about Roxas' memories that got moved into Sora? I really can't figure out what was happening at all in this world. Someone please make some sense out of it for me.

Ryutim
10th May 2013, 12:21
Well, for starters, Sora's (and Riku's for that matter) KH3D clothes are based on their dream selves, probably indicating that they still think of themselves as kids, so Sora being in his KH2 clothes could indicate that he's either close to waking up, or that you're seeing his body outside of the dream worlds (As for why Riku kept his dream world clothes in the world that never was, well, he was still acting as a dream eater for Sora, so that probably explains it, although how he kept his dream world powers in the waking world, I have no idea.). Anyway, about Sora's interactions with the other characters in his dreams, well, like you said, a lot of it was probably Xehanort manipulating him, but that doesn't mean that him talking to Roxas wasn't real as well, I mean, if Sora believed that it wasn't a dream, then Roxas, being inside Sora, probably believed it as well, and remember, the darkness took control of Roxas' armor that was protecting Sora's heart, so there's a chance that Xehanort was able to influence, if not outright manipulate, what Roxas belived at the time. I honestly don't have the answers you're looking for, but I hope these theories help, or at least make some sense out of the confusion.

DarkHalo003
10th May 2013, 13:56
Well, for starters, Sora's (and Riku's for that matter) KH3D clothes are based on their dream selves, probably indicating that they still think of themselves as kids, so Sora being in his KH2 clothes could indicate that he's either close to waking up, or that you're seeing his body outside of the dream worlds (As for why Riku kept his dream world clothes in the world that never was, well, he was still acting as a dream eater for Sora, so that probably explains it, although how he kept his dream world powers in the waking world, I have no idea.). Anyway, about Sora's interactions with the other characters in his dreams, well, like you said, a lot of it was probably Xehanort manipulating him, but that doesn't mean that him talking to Roxas wasn't real as well, I mean, if Sora believed that it wasn't a dream, then Roxas, being inside Sora, probably believed it as well, and remember, the darkness took control of Roxas' armor that was protecting Sora's heart, so there's a chance that Xehanort was able to influence, if not outright manipulate, what Roxas belived at the time. I honestly don't have the answers you're looking for, but I hope these theories help, or at least make some sense out of the confusion.




Definitely this. Furthermore, from Chain of Memories we learned how memories themselves can absolutely change the variables of a heart. Given that Sora is within the Dream World and that dreams can influence memory (Deja Vu, dreams feeling so life-like and normal that they might have happened), it's highly plausible that seeing Terra and Aqua illicited those memories which would cause him further turmoil. Xehanort most likely exacerbated those emotions even further, though it would be plausible that the power of Sora remembering Aqua, Ventus, and Terra from their contacting his heart from many years ago could definitely draw him further to find out who exactly they are in his heart.

Bobguy117
11th May 2013, 11:49
Yeah I could see that being the case, thanks guys! I wish I knew why they made it so random and confusing when it didn't have to be.

Ryutim
12th May 2013, 17:17
I hear ya, I mean, I love the complexity of the KH storyline, but complexity isn't the same thing as randomness, and a rapid burst of totally random seeming input really doesn't help things along. Well, hopefully they'll give some explination why these things were shown and how they make sense, but until then, we'll just have to wait and wonder.