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Falkenwut
17th Mar 2010, 16:43
Hey guys, feel free to comment what you thought on the trailer, strictly when you've seen it all

Here what I thought of it:
1> Style: The sketchy style... for a cutscene style - briliantly executed.... However I noted that the running camra isn't as good as I was hoping for... Still... Gonna enjoy it :D

2> Nudity - Hope you can unfilter the nudity... But I like the way it's keeping to the camera on youtube style

3> Gameplay itself - It looks alot more fluid... I could be wrong coz it's very vague for now... still... also feels like the first game.. gonna enjoy it :D

4> Shanghai - God I love the scenarios of Shanghai!! ALL OF 'EM! I noted that in the beginning there's a wall with Graffiti written 1337 on them - numericals of LEET or L33T-speak.... niiiice :D

I also noted that the scenarios are pretty big.. lots of cars and trucks and motorcycles xD... I'm wondering how open-world-esque this game is gonna be


How about you guys? opinions anyone?

EDIT: Forgot to mention - music fits AWESOMELY!

Brackstone17
17th Mar 2010, 16:45
Gun sound effects were great. I could hear the Heat influence coming through. Also, I found it weird having the words Square Enix in a Kane and Lynch trailer.

dark_angel_7
17th Mar 2010, 16:49
1) I couldn't even open the new site
2) The trailer was on YouTube but in an awful quality
3) I have no further opinions

I might just avoid this game till it actually comes out...you know to keep me surprised when I finally do get to see something of it. :rolleyes:

And I completely saw that August release date coming - heres hoping the game is polished by then! ;)

Falkenwut
17th Mar 2010, 16:51
I'm just too sucked up to try avoiding this xD but well noted dark_angel

GrievousOdyssey
17th Mar 2010, 16:52
I remember Kotaku writing that Dog Days had " the best Worst camera " , but from the looks of it it's pretty standard to me ...

For some reason i was expecting for a oncoming truck ... i just knew it had to happen , truck boss fight FTW ! ...

One of Seven
17th Mar 2010, 16:53
I just watched the extended trailer on their site, that was badass! When I heard the guitars kick in, aw man. Looks super atmospheric too, can't wait!

The Pope
17th Mar 2010, 16:55
I like the way Lynch&camera are running - exactly what I was hoping for :)
as for nudity - not that we're some pervs or anything, it's just that (I think I do not speak for myself only here) it's obvious it's youtube-style, but I'm hoping that I will be able to turn it off to make it as if it (this "movie") was directly taken out of the camera not edited...

One of Seven
17th Mar 2010, 16:57
I like the way Lynch&camera are running - exactly what I was hoping for :)
as for nudity - not that we're some pervs or anything, it's just that (I think I do not speak for myself only here) it's obvious it's youtube-style, but I'm hoping that I will be able to turn it off to make it as if it (this "movie") was directly taken out of the camera not edited...

Exactly.

Moeez
17th Mar 2010, 17:16
Holy ****, NO WAY is that gameplay?! Oh man, completely exceeded my expectations. The real-world environmental details and sequences were unbelievable.

If that's gameplay, oh my god...

Bevacur
17th Mar 2010, 17:19
Oh my god the extended version is sooo badass!

Vulture
17th Mar 2010, 17:30
game looks pretty good in my opinion.

petersjov
17th Mar 2010, 17:57
Well, just a lots af praise from me!!

- Good gun/gameplay
- like the characters, they seem spot on. - from the first game.
- the very, very, very detailed world, it just feels very Full, and real ;-)
- love the style.

derFeef
17th Mar 2010, 18:05
Extended version does not work for me :/ popup closes

Unpaid Intern
17th Mar 2010, 18:21
Guys you've got to see the extended version. The IGN version is only half the experience..

GrievousOdyssey
17th Mar 2010, 18:26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EXcGZQ278k

derFeef
17th Mar 2010, 18:39
Is that multiplayer footage in the extended trailer? :D Want 720p please (or higher) :/

UhUh
17th Mar 2010, 19:17
What the **** just happend!?

Well didn't expect it to look THAT good, the enviorments, the characters, the animation, the camera...nice work! really impressive, it feels so alive and real.

About the gameplay, there's little pieces here and there, but I noticed how Kane dives into cover in the restourant, Lynch carrying an fire extinguisher, things blowing up, down not dead, the shaky camera when running.

Story...eh I like how they meet up and Kane don't even bother to shake Lynch hand or say anything at all :p awkward. Lynch seems like he know what's he's doing, and that's why I can't help but empathyze with Kane; what's happening here? I'm a merc and I don't even.

Anyway, great ****ing trailer, I've already watch it 20 times.

ps: I usually play with original voices so it's not such a big deal for me, but I've watched the trailer in italian too...the voices sucks, please it's not like we don't have good actors here.

Bawabus
17th Mar 2010, 19:21
The graphics and animation were impressive (head and shoulders above anything else I've seen from IO before); the style didn't really come through as much as I thought it would, which was a little disappointing. It looked like a third person action game.

GrievousOdyssey
17th Mar 2010, 19:26
It looked like a third person action game.

Hmmm , that must be the reason why i'm not totally blown away , because it Just looked like a typical third person shooter ... Though it looks good , it looked too familiar , maybe it was because of the way the trailer was edited ...

I hope there lies the issue ...

Bawabus
17th Mar 2010, 19:31
Hmmm , that must be the reason why i'm not totally blown away , because it Just looked like a typical third person shooter ... Though it looks good , it looked too familiar , maybe it was because of the way the trailer was edited ...

I hope there lies the issue ...

It did look that way.

What I'm hoping is that this intensity that they're going for comes through a bit stronger in the actual game. You can edit together all the clips of stuff blowing up and people shooting at things off screen you want, but it in no way gives a good impression of what fights are actually going to be like during gameplay.:hmm:

GrievousOdyssey
17th Mar 2010, 20:00
So this trailer gets a SIX ! ...

shadowkiller
17th Mar 2010, 20:03
The previews over exaggerated with the new art style and camera mechanic but thats good i feel its just suitable. Looking great.

GrievousOdyssey
17th Mar 2010, 20:11
So basically the idea we were given of this game for the last four months were based on ... exaggerations ??!!! ...

*nuclear launch detected* ...

UhUh
17th Mar 2010, 20:20
For ****s sake,
Ofcourse it looks like a 3rd person shooter, it's a goddamn 3rd person shooter.
And by the looks of it, it feels fresh and different from any other; obviously this is a trailer and it has to show the game and get you exited about it.
There's a lot we can gather from it to get an idea of how the game's going to be, but still it's still a trailer and till we play it, is going to be hard to judge it.

I don't know how you can say this a bad trailer, or how the previews where exaggerated, I for one knew what I was going to watch, and still I was blown away. It's fluid, alive and all kane&lynch.

Bawabus
17th Mar 2010, 20:25
For ****s sake, I don't know how you can say this a bad trailer, or how the previews where exaggerated, I for one knew what I was going to watch, and still I was blown away. It's fluid, alive and all kane&lynch.

Just to clarify: I'm not saying it wasn't cool looking. The amount of detail in the environment, the weapons, and the characters was crazy--as was the animation. But I guess I'm looking for that clip that's going to show me what a gun fight's going to be like in this game; I don't want a bunch of short clips of dudes shooting at stuff off screen.

It was well put together for the most part--a little bit spastic in terms of the editing and the music (which actually fits quite well!). It's just not what I'm looking for.

GrievousOdyssey
17th Mar 2010, 20:37
Well when i'm watching a Kane & Lynch trailer the last thing i would expect is my mind saying " Hey this looks familiar " ...
I saw a blend of The Bourne Ultimatum , Manhunt and Among Thieves with Kane & Lynch ...

Comparing with the impact i had from watching Dead Men's trailers ... this one was a bit weak for a Kane & Lynch title ...

Hell , what am i saying , just compare this with Dog Days' first trailer , the CG one ...

Jacksolsmith
17th Mar 2010, 20:52
Well I'd hold on to your horses a little bit lads, the trailer only basically showed one chase sequence, choped in with quick cuts of lots of other things, they're keeping the story line still quite secretive,
before they blow the cake wide open and tell us about the arc of the narrative and more of the characters etc, this trailer was mainly a gameplay taster, and you know what? It looked intense, alot like thirdperson shooters we've seen before but when it came down to it, that camera added so much to the uniqeness and style. in the future of video games, where - like the movie industry everything is created to suit everyone and risk taking and originality are dirty words, we will look back on Dog days and say

"Hey, there was a game that set itself apart in style."

The point is, the shooting isnt going to be a revolution, but we loved Kane and Lynch when the shooting and presentation were flawed and unpolished, and this looks a HELL of a lot better than Dead men, so stop feeling sorry for yourselves ol' timers... And welcome to Shanghai.

GrievousOdyssey
17th Mar 2010, 21:04
We need a voice chat or something for every game forums in the world , because while i am criticizing the trailer , i'm not bashing the game itself at all ... yet once again i found myself becoming public enemy number one ...

This topic is called "Opinions on trailer" right ? ...
So no , we're not making a review of the game , we're talking about the trailer , and all i'm saying is this trailer wasn't as good as previous Kane & Lynch trailers , not to mention it is putting in doubts about what we were led to believe about the game so far , anywya , bottom line ...

Would someone please untie me ? the house is burning ! ...

PS : i'm guessing you're going to make another fan trailer , Jacksolsmith ? ...

Bawabus
17th Mar 2010, 21:04
I'm just wondering why the shooting can't be at least different. If they're going for a different feel, would it not seem a little odd if they just had standard shooting and combat mechanics in the game? (Not saying that that's what's in there; speaking hypothetically.)

Bionicicide
17th Mar 2010, 21:12
I've been blown away! Good job devs.

BeardedHoplite
17th Mar 2010, 21:12
The most impressive part of the trailer (for me at least) was when Lynch was chasing that hooker(?) down the alley. I thought it was a cutscene but when the car stopped Lynch I could see by the semi-awkward turn (this is not a bash) that it was actual gameplay and I was speechless

Jacksolsmith
17th Mar 2010, 21:13
Sorry Greivous, just trying to make sure this thread didn't get on a downer.
In some ways, Dead Men's trailers were too good an lead us to expect too much paradoxically! If I were IO I'd try and keep using the surveilance camera style to it's full potential, kind of like with the virals except with gameplay ya know? Trying to keep people guessing about the reality of things, the old style of cinematic trailers would'nt be befitting this new style.

-Oh and yes I will make a trailer General, just as soon I can get my hands on a 720p download of it!

The Pope
17th Mar 2010, 21:20
I'm just wondering why the shooting can't be at least different. If they're going for a different feel, would it not seem a little odd if they just had standard shooting and combat mechanics in the game? (Not saying that that's what's in there; speaking hypothetically.)

Well for one thing I hope it's going to be fixed, coz' in Dead Men I used to shoot and wounded guys straight in the head, standing 50cm away - and in most cases I missed...ok, bullets don't always go where u want them to, but hey, I'm a mercenary and it's a 50cm shot...

GrievousOdyssey
17th Mar 2010, 21:22
In some ways, Dead Men's trailers were too good an lead us to expect too much paradoxically!

the old style of cinematic trailers would'nt be befitting this new style.

Hmmmmmm ...

Well that's a very good point ...
Going to meditate on that ...
Then again the Kane & Lynch franchise has kind of been ... how do i say this , having a identity crisis ? ...
I mean I wouldn't be surprised if Kane & Lynch 3 turns out to be a Strategy RPG type of game ...

Guess we'll have to "deal with it" ...

GrievousOdyssey
17th Mar 2010, 21:24
Well for one thing I hope it's going to be fixed, coz' in Dead Men I used to shoot and wounded guys straight in the head, standing 50cm away - and in most cases I missed...ok, bullets don't always go where u want them to, but hey, I'm a mercenary and it's a 50cm shot...

Kane is blind on his right eye , thus explaining his poor shooting skill ...

Jacksolsmith
17th Mar 2010, 21:39
Has anyone got a WMV download of the trailer? Nick? Anyone? I'll be damned if I have to use quacktime- I mean quicktime.

dude63
17th Mar 2010, 21:42
Overall great trailer. I really liked the new style with the camera look. It looks great. Loved the grittiness of the graphics and the cinematic camera. All felt great. Seeing the truck hit the car and things blowing up just is awesome. The sounds of guns have improved, and the shooting looks more refined. I also liked the explosion of the bike..koolio. All in all its shaping up well. I have no idea why we can't see the girls...ahem....camel toe. Of course its no biggie. Its not like im wanted it to show it like a virtual porn lol. I thought it fit its gritty style to be honest.

Im looking foward ot this game. Wit the release date moves (it was once thought to be may right) this is a great window for them. To release pre-holiday/fall season.

derFeef
17th Mar 2010, 22:21
What I want to know is - what happened to the awesome gun sounds from the first trailer? They sound like plastic guns now. Was expecting a step up there and at least the sound from the first trailer. This is a bit disapointing because it removes much of the gritty atmosphere.

dude63
17th Mar 2010, 22:24
In the trailer we onl hear shots of a deagle and maybe a shoty. Lets also not forget the weapons available. Wherever Kane was at the weapons could be of better quality. msure the sounds will be fine and I thought they sounded nice and heavy...thats just me.

YoungZer0
17th Mar 2010, 22:27
Kane is blind on his right eye , thus explaining his poor shooting skill ...

He's not blind, he sees very poor with it.

derFeef
17th Mar 2010, 22:32
In the trailer we onl hear shots of a deagle and maybe a shoty. Lets also not forget the weapons available. Wherever Kane was at the weapons could be of better quality. msure the sounds will be fine and I thought they sounded nice and heavy...thats just me.

Hm? The first trailer showed a deagle witha reallyy HEAVY loud sound, in the shanghai trailer we heard a pistol (was it a deagle?) with a weak pew pew sound, an uzi with an average nerf gun sound and a shotgun which sounded ok.

The Pope
17th Mar 2010, 22:33
I mean I wouldn't be surprised if Kane & Lynch 3 turns out to be a Strategy RPG type of game ...


I wouldn't mind K&L3 turn out to be like Mass Effect 2...even more- I'd be ******* happy about it!


Kane is blind on his right eye , thus explaining his poor shooting skill ...
LOL, nice try ;)

dude63
17th Mar 2010, 22:39
Hm? The first trailer showed a deagle witha reallyy HEAVY loud sound, in the shanghai trailer we heard a pistol (was it a deagle?) with a weak pew pew sound, an uzi with an average nerf gun sound and a shotgun which sounded ok.

Thats your opinion and I respect that. I thought they sounded fine..imo.

Unpaid Intern
17th Mar 2010, 23:28
"The trailer is made entirely using gameplay footage." sez Karsten Lund

"We're not trying to cross the line just to be over the line. This is a mature game and it needs to show what it shows." In the trailer, further censorship beyond what is done in the game had to be done, bleeping out curse words. That will not happen in the game.

full article here:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/107/1078298p1.html

Falkenwut
17th Mar 2010, 23:40
I don't see what the big deal is.. in the past there had been faar more provacotive games then this and you see people going mad over it!!!

Remember The saboteur? A game that vanished into last year? it was filled with nazis, french stereotypes and optional nudity.... there was much less hassle over that then this! I really don't get some people....

Bevacur
17th Mar 2010, 23:48
"The trailer is made entirely using gameplay footage." sez Karsten Lund

"We're not trying to cross the line just to be over the line. This is a mature game and it needs to show what it shows." In the trailer, further censorship beyond what is done in the game had to be done, bleeping out curse words. That will not happen in the game.

full article here:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/107/1078298p1.html

What the hell!:

"The trailer features a bit of digital nudity, but you may have noticed a blur-effect that covers up the most sensitive bits. That is indeed a part of the game and the same effect is used to blur out the gore from headshots. "It's a visual effect that we use in the game. It adds to that sense of credibility and realism of this kind of footage and also it sparks the imagination of what's going on."

Bluring out violent head-shots? What is this madness?!

YoungZer0
17th Mar 2010, 23:51
What the hell!:

"The trailer features a bit of digital nudity, but you may have noticed a blur-effect that covers up the most sensitive bits. That is indeed a part of the game and the same effect is used to blur out the gore from headshots. "It's a visual effect that we use in the game. It adds to that sense of credibility and realism of this kind of footage and also it sparks the imagination of what's going on."

Bluring out violent head-shots? What is this madness?!
Sounds like a great idea. Head-Shots have lost their awesomeness anyway.

Falkenwut
18th Mar 2010, 00:01
^ but.. but.. but I'd like to see some guy's head explode *sniff*
(even if it's of our beloved criminals mind you...)

Bevacur
18th Mar 2010, 00:02
^ but.. but.. but I'd like to see some guy's head explode *sniff*
(even if it's of our beloved criminals mind you...)

So would i...

Just imagine seeing someones scalp get shot off. Drools...

Falkenwut
18th Mar 2010, 00:25
Hey guys, just caught the first graphical issue (well.. mistake really)
6 seconds through the trailer you will noticed a guy's arm passing through Lynch's Jacket: see the pics below:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/Falkenwut/Other%20pics/untitled.jpg

Zidrien
18th Mar 2010, 06:45
I just have to say, the trailer exceeded my expectations, and believe me, the were very high...

The Pope
18th Mar 2010, 07:42
"We're not trying to cross the line just to be over the line. This is a mature game and it needs to show what it shows." In the trailer, further censorship beyond what is done in the game had to be done, bleeping out curse words. That will not happen in the game.




"The trailer features a bit of digital nudity, but you may have noticed a blur-effect that covers up the most sensitive bits. That is indeed a part of the game and the same effect is used to blur out the gore from headshots. "It's a visual effect that we use in the game. It adds to that sense of credibility and realism of this kind of footage and also it sparks the imagination of what's going on."


...so...correct me if I'm wrong - words will NOT be bleeped out in the final game but the nudity and headshots WILL BE BLURRED?!



"It's not like we all of a sudden cut to some place totally different."
That's good, it was a bad thing in the first one...

Moeez
18th Mar 2010, 08:11
The nudity and headshots being censored, I think is cool. It's best to leave it to the imagination. A model with revealing clothes is hotter to me compared to when she's butt-naked :P

Still, a headshot was pretty damn satisfying in the first game, with the animations.

Fritz von Wolfenschanz
18th Mar 2010, 10:14
The trailer was... okay, barely. Way too short and random for my taste.


Hey guys, just caught the first graphical issue (well.. mistake really)
6 seconds through the trailer you will noticed a guy's arm passing through Lynch's Jacket: see the pics below:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/Falkenwut/Other%20pics/untitled.jpg

Wow, that will ruin the entire motherf***ing game. Wont buy it now. Not that i had planned on doing that in the first place.


The nudity and headshots being censored, I think is cool. It's best to leave it to the imagination.

Disagree strongly. Pure, unfiltered gore and nudity is what the entire damn world is about.


A model with revealing clothes is hotter to me compared to when she's butt-naked :P

The only thing hotter than a butt-naked model is a model in a SS uniform. Prove me wrong.



Still, a headshot was pretty damn satisfying in the first game, with the animations.

No.

RAPIST
18th Mar 2010, 10:32
Sounds like a great idea. Head-Shots have lost their awesomeness anyway.

No, and censoring gore is just lame in every way.
The game has a strong focus on violence, I don't see why they would wanna censor anything.

If someone is offended then go play something else.


Hey guys, just caught the first graphical issue (well.. mistake really)
6 seconds through the trailer you will noticed a guy's arm passing through Lynch's Jacket: see the pics below:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/Falkenwut/Other%20pics/untitled.jpg

Lets go hysterical!
I cannot believe they didn't fix this horrible mistake!!1oneone

Jesus F'ing christ, stuff like that happens in every game.
Deal with it.

Falkenwut
18th Mar 2010, 13:59
I was just pointing it out.. it's not like I'm gonna go mad or anything!

It's just something simple, can be very easily fixed / ignored

The Pope
18th Mar 2010, 16:50
ok, so it's gonna be like in the end of the game the camera is dropped, foud by some journalist who took it and made it tv-ready and this we do in the game will be thing we'd see in some tv show or in the tv news...

...to be quite honest guys - blurred things - I'm not into it...I think it's a step back.

GrievousOdyssey
18th Mar 2010, 17:27
Listen to this song while re-watching the trailer (particularly when they all start running and shooting) , you'll be surprised how well it actually fits ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YYHymHducs&feature=related

TheMoD
18th Mar 2010, 17:49
Love the trailer but what do you guys think about Lynchs running animation? It looked kinda weird to me...

Arsh
18th Mar 2010, 18:34
Loved the trailer! Notice the awkwardness when the two meet? It amused me a little.

I just hope the shooting feels a little more natural this time around. R2 to shoot is still, and always will be, stupid on the PS3.

GrievousOdyssey
18th Mar 2010, 18:39
Damn it Arsh stop popping in and out of here like a jack-in-the-box ! and since when do you play on the PS3 ? ...

By the way what's so stupid about shooting with R2 ? ...

TheMoD
18th Mar 2010, 19:04
well it feels pretty marshmellowy. But I'm sure they'll put the shooting to R1 now like all the newer games

GrievousOdyssey
18th Mar 2010, 19:37
Well i liked aiming with L2 and shooting with R2 , holding a trigger was kind of different comparing to holding buttons ...

Then again the R2 on one of my controllers is getting loose , sniff ...

Bevacur
18th Mar 2010, 19:40
Well i liked aiming with L2 and shooting with R2 , holding a trigger was kind of different comparing to holding buttons ...

Then again the R2 on one of my controllers is getting loose , sniff ...

I tried playing Modern Warfare 2 on Ps3 round my mates. Kept throwing flashes and somehow cooking a flare while being attacked by a shotgun.

TheMoD
18th Mar 2010, 19:46
yeah well it takes some getting used to, esp if you played alot of games with the x360 controller before like I did, first game I played on ps3 was condemned 2 and I kept throwing my weapons away cause i was used to using the triggers for shooting/striking.
anyway back on topic. I really loved that scene where lynch was shooting his gun. There was no crosshair, and god it would be awesome if it's always like this in the game...

GrievousOdyssey
18th Mar 2010, 21:59
Are you sure there was no crosshair or was it edited out just for trailer purposes ? ...

Because quite frankly , a third person shooter with no crosshair could be ... well , punishing ...

TheMoD
18th Mar 2010, 23:42
Yea it could have just been for the trailer, there probably will be a crosshair, especially for multiplayer...

killingroad1986
19th Mar 2010, 02:04
I think people are overreacting regarding the censoring. The ingame headshots will not be censored. I believe the preview that mentioned it mentioned that it was a certain scene.

Brackstone17
19th Mar 2010, 02:18
I don't know why, but I'm kind of hoping the cross hair will be the design they have in the center of the view when you look through a camera. I'd honestly like a 100 percent in-style hud, with the batter meter being your ammo counter and everything. That probably wouldn't work to well though.

Arsh
19th Mar 2010, 02:32
Damn it Arsh stop popping in and out of here like a jack-in-the-box ! and since when do you play on the PS3 ? ...

By the way what's so stupid about shooting with R2 ? ...

Ha, I'll pop in and out as I damn well feel :rolleyes:

And shooting with R2 just doesn't ever feel natural. I've been shooting with R1 since the original PlayStation.

Kent-45
19th Mar 2010, 03:46
My favorite part was actually the interaction between Kane and Lynch....Lynch was all HAIIII buddy, and Kane wanted none of it....rolling luggage and all (I guess kane doesn't do duffle bags anymore)

joe the janitor
19th Mar 2010, 04:33
Love the trailer but what do you guys think about Lynchs running animation? It looked kinda weird to me...

I think they look great. :thumb:

joe the janitor
19th Mar 2010, 05:31
My favorite part was actually the interaction between Kane and Lynch....Lynch was all HAIIII buddy, and Kane wanted none of it....rolling luggage and all (I guess kane doesn't do duffle bags anymore)

Lol :lol: I love the awkwardness!

Moeez
19th Mar 2010, 13:21
Kane was all like, damn that was a long flight, holding all his luggage. Then Lynch tells him about this guy he wants to "talk" to, and gives Kane a gun. Poor Kane, getting sent into action right after arriving from the airport!

It'd be cool if he's not so good at killing everyone because HE HAS JET LAG! :D

UhUh
19th Mar 2010, 13:37
The style dictated how we designed the trailer and we wanted to present that as much as the characters (for those unfamiliar with them) because we’ve talked about it and showed it on stills but it’s really when it’s moving that you really feel the impact. The raw footage says and does more than anything we could have created with slick marketing speak

I think it's a real testament to the quality of the game, when its so good that it sell itself.

GrievousOdyssey
19th Mar 2010, 13:59
(I guess kane doesn't do duffle bags anymore)

You forgot already ? ...
*flashback*

Kane : Help me get this ******* bag off him ! ...
*a man approaches , attempts to remove the bag from the corpse , man gets shot in the head , Kane attempts to take the bag himself , gets shot in the shoulder* ...
Kane : Damn It ! ...
*he runs away*

*later in the soccer field*
Kane (thinking) : **** ! That was my last duffle bag ! All my shirts and toothbrushes ... my push dagger cleaning kit ... the plushy toy i bought for Lynch ... gone ... Gone !!! ...
*he slams his pistol to the ground , cover his face with his hands in shame* ...

PS : Speaking of the luggage , anyone remembers that scene in the extended trailer where Lynch runs around a parking lot with a luggage / briefcase in hand ? ... wonder if that's the same Kane was holding in the beginning ...

Wonder if it's not the Return of the Mysterious Briefcases From Dead Men !!!?! ...

Jacksolsmith
19th Mar 2010, 14:06
wasn't Lynch using a fire extinguisher? http://deadmen.ru/images/games/kl2/screens/19.jpg

GrievousOdyssey
19th Mar 2010, 14:13
But was that a fire extinguisher in the extended trailer ? ...

Edit : Yep , it was a fire extinguisher , no briefcases , there goes my theory blown to outer space ...

dark_angel_7
19th Mar 2010, 14:20
What I want to know is why is there aliasing issues in screenshots and the videos? Is this a part of the YouTube style or is it because the platform shown isn't capable of proper anti-aliasing?

Jacksolsmith
19th Mar 2010, 15:33
What I want to know is why is there aliasing issues in screenshots and the videos? Is this a part of the YouTube style or is it because the platform shown isn't capable of proper anti-aliasing?
Most games don't have anti aliasing, dead men did, but i like to think of this one not having it as saving resources and actually adding to the style.

Unpaid Intern
19th Mar 2010, 15:36
LOL at the screen with the dog :) Looks like they were about to go at it when the cameraman startled them and they both gave him a WTF? kind of look.

GrievousOdyssey
19th Mar 2010, 16:31
LOL at the screen with the dog :) Looks like they were about to go at it when the cameraman startled them and they both gave him a WTF? kind of look.

Kane was the smart one , he's hiding behind that car , unfortunately for him we all recognised his hairstyle ...

BBboy20
20th Mar 2010, 04:09
All in all its shaping up well. I have no idea why we can't see the girls...ahem....camel toe. Of course its no biggie.Yet you don't question a blurped cuss word?

GrievousOdyssey
20th Mar 2010, 11:56
Yet you don't question a blurped cuss word?

By the way which bleeped curse words are you all talking about ? ...

Because the one i heard was not only half bleeped , but it fit the trailer's editing style well , so that wasn't much of a big deal was it ? ...

AssassinAgent47
20th Mar 2010, 14:53
fantastic trailer loved it

it feels like a game in my age range

Kent-45
20th Mar 2010, 16:36
By the way which bleeped curse words are you all talking about ? ...

Because the one i heard was not only half bleeped , but it fit the trailer's editing style well , so that wasn't much of a big deal was it ? ...

Lynch says "Long ****in flight huh?" in the first 5 seconds, as well as a "Son of a *****!" uncensored. Then when Kane confronts Lynch angrily, asking "What the **** just happened?" the game beeped it out. Not very consistant, but hey whatever. I think that's what he's referring to.

it also brings up something else... are Kane & Lynch going to break down the 4th wall in this game? and by the 4th wall I mean, will they ever acknowledge us as viewers or is it just implied that there's some kind of cameraman following them around. Think about the movie "Funny Games" and how the antagonists often times look at the camera, grin evilly, or downright address the audience with rhetorical questions.

I think that would kinda ruin the atmoshpere of Kane & Lynch, but it's something interesting to think about.

Jacksolsmith
20th Mar 2010, 17:08
Think of it as when Micheal Mann uses a handheld camera to run behind people in a chase, we consider that an artistic choice, not that there is ACTUALLY a cameraman running behind him in the universe.
I know this game is going the whole hog with blurring out serious violence and genitals to make it feel like an uploaded video complete with artifacting and glitches, so think of it as a literal take on the art style of visceral and disturbingly real action of liveleak-youtube videos, without it being taken so literally it actually factors into the story attall.
Another example is gears of war, in that we have a shaky cam, and also blood spatters across the screen as if it is hitting a lens, technically it's fourth wall breaking, but we just accept it as an artistic direction.

Unless it does factor into the story in K&l 2 but I seriously doubt it.

GrievousOdyssey
20th Mar 2010, 22:46
Seriously though am i the only one who thought the previews REALLY exaggerated this time around ? ...

They talked of Dog Days as if it was a game where the camera movement will makes us feel nausea , that somehow it's like if the camera was 'struggling' to keep up with the action , and that overall , it's a game in which the visual style will make you puke all over the room if you play the game for too long ...

Unless my mental issues are really aggravating , i'm seeing a huge discontinuation between what they say the game looks like and what the game actually is ...

The Counter argument will be that This was a Trailer , and the real gameplay footage will be way different , but i doubt it ...

Dog Days just looks like another third person shooter but with a more 'personal approach' camera placement , so why the **** did Kotaku call it the 'Best Worst Camera' ? ...

And no , this post wasn't sarcastic ...
In case you were still wondering ... anywya ...

Unpaid Intern
20th Mar 2010, 23:56
Think of it as when Micheal Mann uses a handheld camera to run behind people in a chase, we consider that an artistic choice, not that there is ACTUALLY a cameraman running behind him in the universe.
I know this game is going the whole hog with blurring out serious violence and genitals to make it feel like an uploaded video complete with artifacting and glitches, so think of it as a literal take on the art style of visceral and disturbingly real action of liveleak-youtube videos, without it being taken so literally it actually factors into the story attall.
Another example is gears of war,ve: 115
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and also blood spatters across the screen as if it is hitting a lens, technically it's fourth wall breaking, but we just accept it as an artistic direction.

Unless it does factor into the story in K&l 2 but I seriously doubt it.

Good post man. Spot-on methinks.

It's really difficult to get a feel for the camera behavior when all you have to go by is footage that's been chopped up into tiny bits, slo-moed, etc.. Also, seeing this stuff as a vid embedded in a website is very different from from seeing it run on your TV screen and being fully interactive. This will not be possible for some time of course (except for those few lucky journalists).

Nick@IO
21st Mar 2010, 07:09
Lynch says "Long ****in flight huh?" in the first 5 seconds, as well as a "Son of a *****!" uncensored. Then when Kane confronts Lynch angrily, asking "What the **** just happened?" the game beeped it out. Not very consistant, but hey whatever. I think that's what he's referring to.

it also brings up something else... are Kane & Lynch going to break down the 4th wall in this game? and by the 4th wall I mean, will they ever acknowledge us as viewers or is it just implied that there's some kind of cameraman following them around. Think about the movie "Funny Games" and how the antagonists often times look at the camera, grin evilly, or downright address the audience with rhetorical questions.

I think that would kinda ruin the atmoshpere of Kane & Lynch, but it's something interesting to think about.

The second F-word was bleeped because of ESRB guidelines. We can only use it once in a trailer. Makes a loooot of sense.

BeardedHoplite
21st Mar 2010, 17:39
The second F-word was bleeped because of ESRB guidelines. We can only use it once in a trailer. Makes a loooot of sense.

You think they would demand all ****s removed. But hey, it's the ESRB

GrievousOdyssey
21st Mar 2010, 18:28
What the **** are you bunch of **** heads complaining about a ******* bleeped f word in that ******* trailer while We are ******* here , in a Kane & ******* Lynch forum , and we can barely use the word **** without having this ******* smiley to ruin our intelligent posts , and you ****ers are whining about a bleeped f word in a trailer ? ...

I repeat ! We are in the Main ****ty forum of a ****ty game where the word **** and all its other variations are spoken around five ******* hundred times in a less than seven hour game , and we can't use that word here unless we want to see this ****ed up smiley ...

Or we can spell frak ... but that's still ******* unacceptable ...

JackGordon
21st Mar 2010, 20:16
Thank you, gnrGrievous. For RROD-ing my eyes with all those finger-wagging emoticons ;)

JesterTheMolester
21st Mar 2010, 21:04
I believe I've become sexually arroused.

This game is going to be BRILLIANT.

Falkenwut
21st Mar 2010, 21:18
^ Sexual arrousal is a bit excessive for gaming.. but what the heck... everyone has a different way of enjoying a game xD

Bevacur
21st Mar 2010, 21:48
I believe I've become sexually arroused.

This game is going to be BRILLIANT.

What ever floats your boat.

Vulture
21st Mar 2010, 22:39
wasn't Lynch using a fire extinguisher? http://deadmen.ru/images/games/kl2/screens/19.jpg

wow didnt see that pic before.. looks awesome :D

GrievousOdyssey
22nd Mar 2010, 00:50
Thank you, gnrGrievous. For RROD-ing my eyes with all those finger-wagging emoticons ;)

Meh , there's only fifteen of them lil ****ers , pretty unworthy of me , i usually leave sixteen , it's a much cooler number ...


I believe I've become sexually arroused.

This game is going to be BRILLIANT.

Rapist to my left ...
Jester / Molester to my right ...
No wonder i'm grieving ...

Bionicicide
22nd Mar 2010, 03:25
The second F-word was bleeped because of ESRB guidelines. We can only use it once in a trailer. Makes a loooot of sense.
Hahaa, that's a rule in PG-13 movies as well. 1 F word allowed.

Bionicicide
22nd Mar 2010, 03:27
Hey guys, just caught the first graphical issue (well.. mistake really)
6 seconds through the trailer you will noticed a guy's arm passing through Lynch's Jacket: see the pics below:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/Falkenwut/Other%20pics/untitled.jpg
OMFG, now I notice it everytime. :mad2: Care to go frame-by-frame for the next 6 seconds too?

freedomfriez
24th Mar 2010, 22:56
Seriously though am i the only one who thought the previews REALLY exaggerated this time around ? ...

They talked of Dog Days as if it was a game where the camera movement will makes us feel nausea , that somehow it's like if the camera was 'struggling' to keep up with the action , and that overall , it's a game in which the visual style will make you puke all over the room if you play the game for too long ...

Unless my mental issues are really aggravating , i'm seeing a huge discontinuation between what they say the game looks like and what the game actually is ...

The Counter argument will be that This was a Trailer , and the real gameplay footage will be way different , but i doubt it ...

Dog Days just looks like another third person shooter but with a more 'personal approach' camera placement , so why the **** did Kotaku call it the 'Best Worst Camera' ? ...

And no , this post wasn't sarcastic ...
In case you were still wondering ... anywya ...

this trailer was only about a minute and a half long. what they saw in the preview was proabably about a full level or something so they've seen a lot more than what we have. and they have seen it up close and personal which im sure makes a huge difference than watching it on youtube or gametrailers or something like that to get the full experience. besides, everyone who did an impression on the game says that the camera is really good and unique then who am i to argue ;). anyways, this wasn't a story trailer it was just a quick gameplay tease, but i thought it was still a good trailer.

GrievousOdyssey
24th Mar 2010, 23:57
This was a gameplay reveal trailer ,yes ? not CG ,correct ?...
Good ,then it means this is exactly what the game looks like and it better stays that way ,the world will explode if a game's visual style shown in a 'gameplay trailer' turns out to be different than from the final product ...
Just look at everybody's favorite Among Thieves ,the trailers weren't any longer and it showed the game for what it is ,what that is is another story ,but the fact remains the same for Dog Days' trailer ,we just saw what it looks like ,and it barely looks like the acid trip they talked about ,which does causes One issue ...

See when the previews went out four months ago i already seen a couple of people turned off by the supposedly 'new and awkward' visual style ,and i wonder what they're thinking about now they saw the trailer ,because this schizophrenic relationship between the previews and the ultimate reviews already did tarnished a game's reputation ,and made a legend out of a journalist ...

freedomfriez
25th Mar 2010, 02:18
all im saying is you havent seen much of the game to be making any kind of final judgements on it, good or bad.

GrievousOdyssey
25th Mar 2010, 12:41
I think i have the right to judge a trailer on a thread that asks us to give a opinion on a trailer ...

Yeah ... i think i can ...

PS : However i completely agree on the fact that we can't make as much as a negative opinion as much as a positive opinion on a game before seeing the whole picture ...
This is unfortunately , something not everyone can realize ...

freedomfriez
25th Mar 2010, 18:33
there are no such things as rights.

GrievousOdyssey
25th Mar 2010, 19:05
Oh really now ? ...

Then in that case what right do you have to tell me when to judge or not ? ...

Bawabus
25th Mar 2010, 20:17
You have many rights as a human being; included among them is the right to be stupid and jump to conclusions concerning **** you don't know about. Other people also have the right to tell you when you're being unreasonable, such as right now.

You're being unreasonable.

The game still has a long development time ahead of it.

GrievousOdyssey
25th Mar 2010, 21:01
**** i don't know about ? ...
And by chance You would just happen to know anything worthy of immediate praise ? ...

Of course i am stupid ...
I'm having a argument , right now , with people , who are most certainly civilised human beings , who are also strongly and furiously convinced that i am criticizing a Game even though i have always been criticizing the Trailer of said game , in a topic that asks of our opinion on , precisely , the Trailer , not the Game itself ...

Obviously the fault is mine ...

Not to mention that I always find myself arguing with people who can't stand the slightest criticism ...

Jesus Christ , not all feedback has to be a thunder applause , the fact that you can't accept that makes you even more unreasonable than i ever was , and ever will be ...

Bevacur
25th Mar 2010, 22:43
Grievous: Why does Kane have massive fore-arms?

Forum members: Heresy! Kill the traitor, he is criticizing the game! *forum members draw knifes and approach Grievous*.

freedomfriez
25th Mar 2010, 22:47
yeah, rights aren't real just like freedom or the word "THE". just people inventions, but that doesnt mean i still cant say stupid things. you too, say all the stuff you want i dont care haha. besides, you started jumping to conclusions about what people said about their previews on various websites and not on the actual trailer itself, which was asked to be talked about by OP. soooooo you're wrong. :)

GrievousOdyssey
25th Mar 2010, 23:12
Grievous: Why does Kane have massive fore-arms?

Forum members: Heresy! Kill the traitor, he is criticizing the game! *forum members draw knifes and approach Grievous*.

Grievous : *screams like a sissy*...

Acid Burn : Whoa this is exciting !...

One of Seven : Like they say , every dog has its day ...

YoungZer0 : Did i just saw Acid Burn saying "this is exciting" ?...

Kent : No new info from IO makes us all Dead Men ...

Bearded Hoplite : Trophy unlocked ! Grieve no more ~ kill Grievous ...

Grievous : I mean Jesus ! isn't there anyone to save me ?!...

*Bevacur jumps off the window without a parachute*...

Grievous : Anybody else ?...

One of Seven : Oh alright *attempts to throw a dagger for Grievous to use but Falkenwut makes a sudden and scary appearance* ...

Falkenwut : OY ! NO KNIFE THROWING IN MY TOPIC !...

*suddenly*...

Chaoticd : Hey guys i just finished the flash game , it is awesome !...

*the entire mob proceeds to lynch Chaoticd*...

GrievousOdyssey
25th Mar 2010, 23:14
besides, you started jumping to conclusions about what people said about their previews on various websites and not on the actual trailer itself,

Because obviously the trailers and the previews have nothing to do with the whole marketing scheme ...

WWWWWHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPSSSS ...

*falls off a cliff* ...

freedomfriez
26th Mar 2010, 00:22
Because obviously the trailers and the previews have nothing to do with the whole marketing scheme ...

WWWWWHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPSSSS ...

*falls off a cliff* ...

uhhhhhhhh what? english, do you speak it?

joe the janitor
26th Mar 2010, 00:26
Grievous: Why does Kane have massive fore-arms?

Forum members: Heresy! Kill the traitor, he is criticizing the game! *forum members draw knifes and approach Grievous*.
:lol:

freedomfriez
26th Mar 2010, 00:30
*falls off a cliff* ...

so does this mean no more of you? heres hoping!

joe the janitor
26th Mar 2010, 01:08
so does this mean no more of you? heres hoping!

Kinda mean. Unless it's a joke and I'm just socially awkward :poke: .

UhUh
26th Mar 2010, 12:02
Seriously though am i the only one who thought the previews REALLY exaggerated this time around ? ...

They talked of Dog Days as if it was a game where the camera movement will makes us feel nausea , that somehow it's like if the camera was 'struggling' to keep up with the action , and that overall , it's a game in which the visual style will make you puke all over the room if you play the game for too long ...

Unless my mental issues are really aggravating , i'm seeing a huge discontinuation between what they say the game looks like and what the game actually is ...

The Counter argument will be that This was a Trailer , and the real gameplay footage will be way different , but i doubt it ...

Dog Days just looks like another third person shooter but with a more 'personal approach' camera placement , so why the **** did Kotaku call it the 'Best Worst Camera' ? ...

And no , this post wasn't sarcastic ...
In case you were still wondering ... anywya ...

I went and read again these previews, becouse I don't think that's what I read, I went back to the kotaku preview that you mentioned and the ign ones as well.
Let's see what this previews said.



After sitting in on a hands-off demonstration of two of Kane & Lynch 2's levels at Square Enix earlier this week, the first thing I mentioned to those who asked about my first look at the game was the camera. It's as much of a star of the show as Messrs. Kane and Lynch, giving the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and PC game a constant visual hum, as if it was committed to low quality VHS tape, an adventure available only on a third-generation bootleg.

Rarely does a developer strive to make a game look so astoundingly imperfect, one of the facets of Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days' visuals that makes it so intriguing


Ok ok I get it, but what it's like?



The lo-fi presentation is often washed out and grainy, with streaks of light cutting across the screen indicating bright off-screen light sources.


Go on...



The screen will pixelate and artifact when the player, as Lynch, takes damage. Particularly gruesome headshots will be obscured by mosaic censors and the "tape" will fall off track and stutter during more explosive moments, adding to the realism of the bootleg quality of the game.


Fancy, go on...



Now, the actual gameplay that we saw, that didn't impress quite as much as IO Interactive's visual efforts. The third-person shoot and run action, still in its alpha development stages and based on a December build of the game, looked rougher in a less enticing way. The "down not dead" aspects and improved cover tactics look interesting, if fairly stock stuff, and the technical, not the artistic, aspects of its camera are .


So it's a shooter with skatchy video effects after all! Well when you put it that way doesn't seem that impressive, but it's Kane&Lynch, so I'm hooked.
Let's see what IGN has to say.




The visual style has seen a complete overhaul, drawing from low-quality amateur YouTube videos as inspiration.


Ok, we know the drill, any particular?



The camera follows close behind the action, shaking upon impact. Visual artifacts are present everywhere. Though the game runs in HD, a treatment has been applied to make it look like a streaming video. When you get shot, it looks like bits of digital information are lost and the screen becomes pixelated. The bright lights will oversaturate the "camera," causing light to bleed across pixels. You'll even get a little "buffering" screen to take the place of the initial level load.


Silly IOI, everybody hates the buffering...



It's a great direction to take for the sequel for two reasons. The first is that it gives Kane & Lynch 2 a look all its own. Its uniqueness creates an instant allure. While other games strive for crisp and clean visuals, sometimes aiming for photorealism, this one revels in its rough look. It also covers up some of the textures that don't look so hot.


Clever girl, go on...



In fact, we'll have to wait for a lot with Kane & Lynch 2 before we can draw any valid conclusions. I'm a fan of the new direction taken with the visuals, but simply telling me that the game mechanics have improved isn't quite enough for me.


What a downer, let's see if he changed his mind in the updated impressions.




The leap in quality difference is as stark as comparing 'The Dark Knight' with 'Batman & Robin'. The presentational jolt was that severe. Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days takes a running leap from the smouldering corpse of the first game, presenting gamers with a setting so lovingly crafted that it begs to be examined, not just blown to bits.


Well you got me exited, but tell me some facts...



Taking cues from the YouTube generation, Kane & Lynch 2 apes a hand-held video style, as if there's an anonymous cameraman following Lynch's every roll, dash and gunshot through the grimy alleyways and buildings of inner-city Shanghai.


Ok, poor Lynch is getting stalked again, go on...



Pixilation and grain associated with mini-DV cameras, and the juddering and unfocussed and occasionally tilted angles and effects, all contribute to the feeling of being a willing participant and witness to some slice of real-world thuggery.


Yay for pixelart!



The camera perspective is closer to Lynch too, in line with more recent third-person shooters. The effect is immediately more intimate and claustrophobic, adding yet another layer of tension and affect. Combined with terrific texture work, a washed out 'video-like' colour palate, lots of bloom and beam lighting and a robust physics engine that makes the environment feel organic and alive, and the result is utterly absorbing.


Nothing like being intimate with a pair of psychos, go on...



The heads-up display is fuss-free; your damage is indicated almost solely through a combination of body language and camera effects. The more fire you take, the more pixellated and warped the image becomes. As such, it actually begins to affect your own accuracy, adding to the sense of chaos and panic. Very effective.


Oh this I like, go on...



Of course, the gameplay is the major issue we held against the first game, and thankfully it appears that Io has addressed the gamut of problems. For starters, this is very much a streamlined experience from a structural perspective. You're not going to have to deal with squad mechanics or anything similar; just point, shoot, duck, roll and survive long enough to enjoy the story.


So it's a shooter after all!


So, maybe you got carried away by the entusiasm, but I think that when you read the reviews, you can see they say nothing more than you can witness for yourself in the trailer.

GrievousOdyssey
26th Mar 2010, 12:30
uhhhhhhhh what? english, do you speak it?

No sir , i unfortunately don't know how to spell 'fries' correctly so english is definitively not my forte ...

And how come no one continued that silly fictional dialogue ? ...

Bevacur
26th Mar 2010, 13:04
Hola soy espaƱol i no te entiendo.

GrievousOdyssey
26th Mar 2010, 13:37
*terrorist alarm*

Eat lead , you Al Con Keeso mother ****er! ...

freedomfriez
26th Mar 2010, 20:46
No sir , i unfortunately don't know how to spell 'fries' correctly so english is definitively not my forte ...


oh, well, you definitely got me there! ill think twice before ever saying anything bad about you again!

zephyr1991
29th Mar 2010, 23:45
I cant even watch the extended trailer on the flash site. Is there another place I may view it?

Also on the exclusive page, may I have the name and artist of the person singing? I really like the song from the clip!

joe the janitor
29th Mar 2010, 23:55
I cant even watch the extended trailer on the flash site. Is there another place I may view it?

Also on the exclusive page, may I have the name and artist of the person singing? I really like the song from the clip!

Right here! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B7d8jmjhhE)

zephyr1991
29th Mar 2010, 23:58
... I like this!

Now any info on the song on the exclusive page on the flash site?

Moeez
30th Mar 2010, 18:54
Damn, when did the fights start in this thread? :P I don't see how Grievous is being negative here, I can only gather that he thinks the camera style isn't as mindblowing as previews let on.

Sig 552
31st Mar 2010, 19:30
The trailer looks pretty damn good to me-wonder what stage the game build was at when IOI put it together? Anyone care to guess?

@GnrGrievous: Wonder if the shakycam effect is more obvious when you're actually playing the game? Like when you run on GoW? That always felt more 'wobbly' when you were playing it, rather than watching a friend play. The camera does look a bit more subdued on the trailer than I thought it would be.

Sig 552
31st Mar 2010, 19:40
You want to know something else?

I was soooo pleased to see Kane & Lynch back in suits! :thumb: