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butterskenny
25th Sep 2009, 23:56
How come, in earlier appearances, like kinghtfall he is white with blond hair, but now seems to be Hispanic, African American and bald?

ThatGuyHarris
26th Sep 2009, 00:15
Aside from being bald where exactly have you seen him portrayed as Hispanic and/or African American?

butterskenny
26th Sep 2009, 00:19
He looks really dark.

ThatGuyHarris
26th Sep 2009, 00:21
Let me clarify. What media are you referring to? In the movies? In this particular game? A recent comic you've read? Where?

iamtombombadil
26th Sep 2009, 01:33
Calm down Harris.

The character in the game indeed looks either hispanic, african american or malato.

Characters will look different depending upon who is doing the artwork though. I for one want to make the statement here that I am so glad they chose just the black bat symbol on Batman's chest rather than the yellow bordered bat symbol. I never liked that style.

Prince Daka
26th Sep 2009, 01:56
I don't think in the game Zsasz has any features that could imply he is anything, your opinions on race aside. He has like 200 tally marks on his body, & he doesn't look healthy. He also had hugely exaggerated psychotic eyes in the comics (at least in Knightfall), but the writers or developers went more for a combination of comic book Zsasz & Batman Begins Zsasz. At least that is what it looks like to me.

KillerCroc
26th Sep 2009, 03:06
Asylums aren't exactly the most sanitary of places. He just has darker skin for being a bit dirty with all that grime and dirt in Arkham.

ThatGuyHarris
26th Sep 2009, 06:29
Calm down Harris.

The character in the game indeed looks either hispanic, african american or malato.

Characters will look different depending upon who is doing the artwork though. I for one want to make the statement here that I am so glad they chose just the black bat symbol on Batman's chest rather than the yellow bordered bat symbol. I never liked that style.

Calm down? I was simply attempting to get a bead on exactly which Zsasz he was referring to so I could give an accurate reply to his question. Zsasz has appeared in other places, not just Batman: Arkham Asylum.

lukeob94
26th Sep 2009, 06:34
hmm well first what kinda name is zsasz?find that out and you'll proally figure it out.....i always thought zsasz sounded middle easter so i thought he was like armenian

KillerCroc
26th Sep 2009, 17:12
hmm well first what kinda name is zsasz?find that out and you'll proally figure it out.....i always thought zsasz sounded middle easter so i thought he was like armenian His first name is Victor, and when I think of the name Victor I think of Cuba. Maybe he's Cuban?

Smashman
26th Sep 2009, 17:14
Rocksteady have free reign over the characters.
If they feel like portraying him bald etc, they can.
It's their game, it's their model.

Drazar
26th Sep 2009, 17:16
I think Victor Zsasz became bald sometime during 2000-2005 infact i could dare to almost claim that they took some inspiratiom from the Nolan movie, but i'm sure i'm false on that matter. :)

lukeob94
26th Sep 2009, 17:45
His first name is Victor, and when I think of the name Victor I think of Cuba. Maybe he's Cuban?

yes but zsasz is not a cuban last name.

a cuban last name would be latin like a mexican or puerto rican name.....
although he does look a lil latin to me(not very latin person meets the sterotypical short,dumpy,brown stero type.....i'm mexican ,5'10 and white as snowz)

ex)rodriguez,diaz,guiterrez,maldonado,espinosa,colon,bosora,jiminez.

lol does that make mr.freeze cuban?

Gi Kieo Li
26th Sep 2009, 17:53
Victor Zsasz sounds eastern european, Polish or Russian. Having not seen seen any other Zsasz' I think he looks like a russian, pole, etc or a pale hispanic.

He looks pale naturally but given he lives in Arkham currently and carves up the people he 'saves' I dont think washing is going to be high on his priority, nor is sunblock.
But Zsasz could be african also. He might be a afrikans.
Zsasz could be dutch, eastern european, hispanic, african,

Whatever, he is interesting.

KillerCroc
26th Sep 2009, 19:23
yes but zsasz is not a cuban last name.

a cuban last name would be latin like a mexican or puerto rican name.....
although he does look a lil latin to me(not very latin person meets the sterotypical short,dumpy,brown stero type.....i'm mexican ,5'10 and white as snowz)

ex)rodriguez,diaz,guiterrez,maldonado,espinosa,colon,bosora,jiminez.

lol does that make mr.freeze cuban? Um...what nationality you are isn't determined by your last name. Names can get changed, and other nationality-based last names can be lost due to marriage. So in other words, my money is still on the fact that he might be Cuban.

Smashman
26th Sep 2009, 20:23
I don't think Victor is a cuban name..
I think he's american like almost all of the other batman villans although apparently Zsasz is derived from Thomas Szasz who was hungarian, so perhaps he was hungarian?

lukeob94
27th Sep 2009, 21:05
Um...what nationality you are isn't determined by your last name. Names can get changed, and other nationality-based last names can be lost due to marriage. So in other words, my money is still on the fact that he might be Cuban.

mhhm because there are so many cuban smiths,johnsons,roberts,fields,jenkins,

Old_BenKenobi
27th Sep 2009, 21:26
Um...what nationality you are isn't determined by your last name. Names can get changed, and other nationality-based last names can be lost due to marriage. So in other words, my money is still on the fact that he might be Cuban.

What are you basing his Cuban nationality on other than the name Victor? Is Mr Freeze Cuban too?

Drazar
27th Sep 2009, 21:36
By Neptune's beard! Are you debating where Zsasz is coming from? =P

Okay fact time! Alan Grant mentions in the "Batman: The Last Arkham" Trade Book (Graphical Novel) that Zsasz name comes from the psychiatrist Thomas Szasz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Szasz). So really it was just a cool name of a psychiatrist that Alan Grant decided to draw inspiration from.

Now Victor is blond haired (when he had hair) and he was colored as a white person. So whenever or not he was European or American is up to debate, but it shouldn't really matter now should it? =p I don't think he had darker skin in the game, it might just be the player's gamma light or however you call it. >_> He did look sleepless tho lol.

KillerCroc
27th Sep 2009, 21:48
mhhm because there are so many cuban smiths,johnsons,roberts,fields,jenkins,

For one, sterotype much. Second, yes, what if he is part Cuban? Just because you are a little but Cuban doesn't mean you need to have an all Cuban last name.

What are you basing his Cuban nationality on other than the name Victor? Is Mr Freeze Cuban too? His skin color looked a bit tan to me, so I assumed he was Cuban. And the Victor part. Is that wrong? People were calling him Middle-Eastern, so why can't I give my 2 cents?

Prince Daka
27th Sep 2009, 22:59
By Neptune's beard! Are you debating where Zsasz is coming from? =P

Okay fact time! Alan Grant mentions in the "Batman: The Last Arkham" Trade Book (Graphical Novel) that Zsasz name comes from the psychiatrist Thomas Szasz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Szasz). So really it was just a cool name of a psychiatrist that Alan Grant decided to draw inspiration from.

Now Victor is blond haired (when he had hair) and he was colored as a white person. So whenever or not he was European or American is up to debate, but it shouldn't really matter now should it? =p I don't think he had darker skin in the game, it might just be the player's gamma light or however you call it. >_> He did look sleepless tho lol.

I always had a feeling Zsasz's name came from Thomas Szasz

lukeob94
29th Sep 2009, 05:13
His skin color looked a bit tan to me, so I assumed he was Cuban. And the Victor part. Is that wrong? People were calling him Middle-Eastern, so why can't I give my 2 cents? [/QUOTE]


lol your stereo typing here.....not all cubans are tan very many are light skinned

there is very much a skin tone variation in latin american countries due to different settlers and slaves and antive people.

some cubans are likely to have coarser kinkier hair from some african ancestory and be very dark

others may look very native and have tan skin and straight dark hair and have a more pure native bloodline

and some are very pale with with lighter hair and eyes
from spaniard ancestory

and of course some cubans have all these traits mixed

ansd also be realsitic sterotypes may not be true indivdually but usually for a group there decently accurate especially in this case it's not like i'm saying anything absurd.

Batman The Trailer Hunter
29th Sep 2009, 14:53
He isnt afrocan american! (pun intended)

P.S. im am so its not racist

The_Hylden
30th Sep 2009, 15:18
He's white. Look at the ingame profile pic and bio...

Old_BenKenobi
30th Sep 2009, 21:28
He could be albino.... :p

The_Hylden
1st Oct 2009, 00:35
Maybe he's a Martian. Hasn't Martian Manhunter been colored white at one time? I know he's been like green and gray lots of times:p

Gi Kieo Li
1st Oct 2009, 13:44
He isnt afrocan american! (pun intended)

P.S. im am so its not racist

I mean Afrikanns. The white people who derive from dutch etc settlers and have black blood in them sometimes in the past and names that sound dutch etc or african and live in africa etc.

He might have come to america but he would still be a afrikann.

It is a simplistic discription yes, but this is what race is Victor Zsasz not theory class.

vantomas
10th Apr 2012, 16:26
- Hungarian as Viktor Szász

Of course he is a fictional character, but the name is derived from a famous american psychiatrist(for mental illness), called Tamás István Szász , born in Budapest, Hungary. The "sz" in hungarian should be prononced as "s" while the "zs" is "ʒ" like you pronounce James. According to Alan Grant writer, he did a bit magic when he swaped the sz to zs. So who wrote middle-east European was right, appart from the fact that hungarian is not a slavic language like polish or russian. Another thing I reveal is that Szász means Saxon a german ethnicity.
However Zsasz has no meaning in that form, he is definitly not cuban, hispanic, african whatever...