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Moleculor
6th Sep 2009, 05:29
So I was over on the Steam forums, inquiring as to whether or not the game was preloading yet (since their warnings or lack thereof about whether or not Steam's version is carrying malware (read: Securom) tend to only show up once the preloading starts), which would factor into where I buy the game considerably. The preloading hasn't started yet.

They said it was because the game hadn't even gone gold yet, and the discs weren't being printed.

o.O

Huh? Has the PC version gone gold yet, or not? Release is supposedly only ten days away, right? I tried Google a few different ways, but none of them came up with any really decent links, and any mention of gold status seemed to be only with X360/PS3.

So has it gone gold? Or no? (I know it's still not preloading on Steam, but I'm wondering if I should expect another release date delay or not.)

Djarum
6th Sep 2009, 07:29
That is a load of lies. Anyone who knows about disc replicating and manufacturing packaging will tell you things have to be made WEEKS in advance to be able to ship them to various distributors and retailers. I would venture to say the game has been "Gold" since early July at the very latest to be able to get it to stores on time. I know this because I have seen sealed PC copies already, so unless they are full of fairy dust and magic I am pretty sure it is ready to go.

Why the game is not preloading on Steam I have a feeling most likely has to deal with Eidos trying to keep up this myth that the PC game is now just magically being done to put in the PhysX. Valve isn't going to tell you the truth because they have a contract with Eidos about what they can and can't say about the the title, as they do with every company they distribute software for on Steam.

iceman0124
6th Sep 2009, 09:37
10 years ago it would take weeks to produce mass physical copies of the disc, with todays tech thousands could be produced each hour,bagged and tagged.

You may have well seen boxed versions, but without online activation, and probably a fairly large patch to add features,/remove hooks etc, its likely as useful as the "leaked" version. The game requires online activation, the complete playable code , and physx code could very well be completely absent from the discs.

Djarum
6th Sep 2009, 20:00
I am pretty sure you are either a moron or a troll but I am going to bite anyway just so other people aren't taken in by your nonsense.


10 years ago it would take weeks to produce mass physical copies of the disc, with todays tech thousands could be produced each hour,bagged and tagged.

So you are trying to tell me that media replication has had such a huge advancement in the last ten years that you can get all the discs replicated, all the cases made (which happens at a separate factory) and manuals printed (again elsewhere) can be made in mere hours. Last time I checked all that takes sometime and planning. :nut:


You may have well seen boxed versions, but without online activation, and probably a fairly large patch to add features,/remove hooks etc, its likely as useful as the "leaked" version. The game requires online activation, the complete playable code , and physx code could very well be completely absent from the discs.

Boy I sure hope not, I mean if all of those boxes and boxes of copies ready to be sold don't have all of what you just said it just doesn't have then I am pretty sure all the retailers are going to be pissed. :scratch:

The game is and has been done for some time. It doesn't have "online activation" or any of that other nonsense you just made up. I love that you think that Eidos is going to spend all this extra money and effort to do some crazy cloak and dagger stuff for a PC release that will sell a hundred and fifty thousand copies at best, where as they did none of the sort for the console versions that sold almost 3 times that on each platform.

I would love to hear your theories on how the Moon is actually made of "Green Cheese" now. :lol:

trek554
6th Sep 2009, 22:44
so Djarum, everybody is a liar and moron? I have seen games go gold just a few weeks before release. also some games dont include everything required to run until they are authorized and a small update is performed. I dont know if Batman will do that but other games have.

iceman0124
6th Sep 2009, 23:45
I am pretty sure you are either a moron or a troll but I am going to bite anyway just so other people aren't taken in by your nonsense.



So you are trying to tell me that media replication has had such a huge advancement in the last ten years that you can get all the discs replicated, all the cases made (which happens at a separate factory) and manuals printed (again elsewhere) can be made in mere hours. Last time I checked all that takes sometime and planning. :nut:



Boy I sure hope not, I mean if all of those boxes and boxes of copies ready to be sold don't have all of what you just said it just doesn't have then I am pretty sure all the retailers are going to be pissed. :scratch:

The game is and has been done for some time. It doesn't have "online activation" or any of that other nonsense you just made up. I love that you think that Eidos is going to spend all this extra money and effort to do some crazy cloak and dagger stuff for a PC release that will sell a hundred and fifty thousand copies at best, where as they did none of the sort for the console versions that sold almost 3 times that on each platform.

I would love to hear your theories on how the Moon is actually made of "Green Cheese" now. :lol:

I have no idea where you guys get your ideas from, heres a small sample of "personal consumer level disc dupicators"

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010100528%201036520714&name=DVD%20Duplicator

or did you think some poor slop on a single coomputer fired up a copy of nero for a few months each time a game was made.....those are home units, imagine what commercial units must be like? As for the box, the geneic DVD case sure they probably dont mnake those, they buy them by the truckload shipped to the printing facility, where the slip cover gets printed and the box sleve as well....and having the slipcovers, manuals, and whtnot ready doesnt not mean the game is ready, they could easily have finished the PC version of those before the console version. Another little tip, spend a little less time looking up porn and other nonesense and watch a little dicovery channel, the show "How its made" actually shows the mass burning and boxing process...

This game, if you have failed to realized it yet, is the defacto application for nvidia based physx, they are tinkering with it to get it right, to generate buzz and hardeware sales, and just like everyone else, I'm dying to play it now, but we dont always get what we want exactly when we want it....in a little a week I sincerely hope this *****fest and these rampant displays of idiocy stops cold.....or we all fall into Eidos'es evil trap ands stop playing computer games completely and become champion basket weavers.....:rolleyes:

Anyone else as sick of this as I am?:nut::scratch::mad2:

Djarum
7th Sep 2009, 01:01
so Djarum, everybody is a liar and moron? I have seen games go gold just a few weeks before release. also some games don't include everything required to run until they are authorized and a small update is performed. I don't know if Batman will do that but other games have.

Then by your statement Batman should already be "Gold" :confused:

Batman does not have any updates or anything of the sort.


I have no idea where you guys get your ideas from, heres a small sample of "personal consumer level disc dupicators"

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010100528%201036520714&name=DVD%20Duplicator

or did you think some poor slop on a single coomputer fired up a copy of nero for a few months each time a game was made.....those are home units, imagine what commercial units must be like? As for the box, the geneic DVD case sure they probably dont mnake those, they buy them by the truckload shipped to the printing facility, where the slip cover gets printed and the box sleve as well....and having the slipcovers, manuals, and whtnot ready doesnt not mean the game is ready, they could easily have finished the PC version of those before the console version. Another little tip, spend a little less time looking up porn and other nonesense and watch a little dicovery channel, the show "How its made" actually shows the mass burning and boxing process...

This game, if you have failed to realized it yet, is the defacto application for nvidia based physx, they are tinkering with it to get it right, to generate buzz and hardeware sales, and just like everyone else, I'm dying to play it now, but we dont always get what we want exactly when we want it....in a little a week I sincerely hope this *****fest and these rampant displays of idiocy stops cold.....or we all fall into Eidos'es evil trap ands stop playing computer games completely and become champion basket weavers.....:rolleyes:

Anyone else as sick of this as I am?:nut::scratch::mad2:

Yea, you obviously know as much about making and distributing a video game as you know about spelling. You are wrong on most of your fantasy, but I will let that slide. What you are missing is you are not having to worry about the physical process of creating and packaging the product. What you have to worry about and wait for is the time to get the different parts of the product together and much, much more importantly shipping the orders to various distributors and retailers.

I will try to explain this to you as simple as I can since this maybe a little hard for you to follow.

See after you have a game, movie or audio disc replicated and packaged they are shipped normally to whomever ordered them; Sony, Warner Bros, Sub Pop. Once they are received by whomever ordered them and are (hopefully) checked for Q&A, they are then split up into each order made by a Retailer or Distributor. For someone like a Wal-Mart for instance they prefer to have their orders for media received to them at least 2 weeks in advance. Why you may ask? Because Wal-Mart needs time to receive them to their distribution centers, check them in and then get the products on trucks to be sent out to individual stores, etc. This normally takes about a week for a product to get to a Wal-Mart distribution center to a store and is pretty standard throughout the entire retail industry. The only real retailer that doesn't do things this way is Gamestop, whom does nearly all their distribution via various Parcel Services, mainly UPS.

As for your last paragraph, I understand you are a fanboy. I know we all can't be a "cool" as you with our system specs proudly proclaimed under every post and all. Drink up all the Kool-Aid you want there buddy. If you want to believe that they have been tinkering away for the last several weeks to add hardware physics then by all means please do that. I hope it helps you sleep at night. I think the only "rampant displays of idiocy" have been made by you over the last several days. :flowers:

iceman0124
7th Sep 2009, 06:20
:hmm: Just about all retail outlets in my neck of the woods including walmart/bestbuy etc dont use their distribution centers for newly released media period, all thats handled by carriers like UPS/Fedex/and other small quick ship carriers, only stuff of the like that goes through the DC is overstock to move from store to store.

Lastly ,if you dont think Nvidia has a lot invested in this game, try checking out their site, this is a major launch for them as they are banking on cuda based Physx to get the edge back over ATI,

http://www.nvidia.com/page/home.html

First thing you see is BAA with NV Physx, and they are bundling the game with their higher end cards.....I have no idea what the fanboy remark has to do with that...but whatever. Physx is the main reason for the delay, and personally, I can live with the realitively short delay to get full use out of my hardware.

As for posting my specs, if you dont know why people do that on PC related forums...your in the wrong place period....oh wait...I forgot....your first post was just to incite a crap storm...:rolleyes:

chip5541
7th Sep 2009, 12:58
2 things guys.

First knock off the personal insults. There was no reason to call people a moron and that will not be tolerated.

Second, discussion or mention of any pirated software is not permitted.

Moleculor
7th Sep 2009, 13:07
I would venture to say the game has been "Gold" since early July at the very latest to be able to get it to stores on time.

So do you or anyone else in this thread have a link pointing to news that the game is gold?

Generally those things are announced.

chip5541
7th Sep 2009, 14:13
There use to be an awesome site called Gone Gold but it has long since gone. I usually check Bluesnews ( http://www.bluesnews.com/ ) which usually announces when big titles, and not so big, go gold.

Unstoppable
7th Sep 2009, 16:21
The game has gone gold. Someone on a website said it was released in Europe already but this is not true. So not sure but it is available to some people. The official release date for North America is Sept 15. EU Sept 18. People are pre loading it now but can't play till it's release.

Moleculor
7th Sep 2009, 17:17
There use to be an awesome site called Gone Gold but it has long since gone. I usually check Bluesnews ( http://www.bluesnews.com/ ) which usually announces when big titles, and not so big, go gold.

Yeah. I remember Gone Gold. Googled for it before coming here to ask. Miss the place. :(

Bluesnews... eh. I vaguely recall a time when I could use that site. Attempting to now does not result in a large amount of useful information (i.e. I can't navigate it and it's hard to read.) The search I did on their site did not bring up any links that seemed to suggest BAA going gold on the PC.

Hence my worry it's not gold yet, and could be delayed. (Yes, I've seen games delayed this close to their release date. Not often, but it happens.)

It's looking like Steam won't be preloading simply based on the fact that it's a 3rd party game, and few 3rd party people allow preloading. Meh.

SteMot
7th Sep 2009, 18:31
Yeah. I remember Gone Gold. Googled for it before coming here to ask. Miss the place. :(

Bluesnews... eh. I vaguely recall a time when I could use that site. Attempting to now does not result in a large amount of useful information (i.e. I can't navigate it and it's hard to read.) The search I did on their site did not bring up any links that seemed to suggest BAA going gold on the PC.

Hence my worry it's not gold yet, and could be delayed. (Yes, I've seen games delayed this close to their release date. Not often, but it happens.)

It's looking like Steam won't be preloading simply based on the fact that it's a 3rd party game, and few 3rd party people allow preloading. Meh.

The game is finished, it won't be dalyed a second time.